DaRkSkyX (EUW)
: For me actually this is worse than Evelynn rework (the final result is good but it's like a new champ), the Galio rework... EVEN worse than Aatrox rework... lmao. What is happening at Riot?
Do you happen to be happy, sometimes?
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WriotR8O,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T14:28:50.786+0000) > > Well, you *were* wrong and redundant… What are you expecting me to say? > > I was honestly just taken aback by that. You could've just politely pointed it out instead of acting like I just reached a new level of inferior intelligence.
Sorry, sometimes I get disproportionally annoyed by this kind of things
Kagemyth (NA)
: actually you got judgement kayle just for playing season 1, I would know as I have it.
So, I just learned I created my account two months too late for Judgment Kayle… Nice…
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WriotR8O,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T14:18:37.496+0000) > > It's "quote unquote", and since you actually write the quotes, there is absolutely no point in using the expression in the first place. ...okay, so it actually has nothing to do with what I was saying, and I just made a grammatical error? And that is somehow justification for calling me wrong and redundant? That seems a bit harsh.
> And that is somehow justification for calling me wrong and redundant? Well, you *were* wrong and redundant… What are you expecting me to say? I was honestly just taken aback by that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WriotR8O,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T14:08:38.440+0000) > > How do you manage to be wrong and redundant at the same time? Pardon?
It's "quote unquote", and since you actually write the quotes, there is absolutely no point in using the expression in the first place.
: "Riot is becoming too disney" Riot: "Okay, have this gruesome Freljord story. :) "
I really don't get the "Riot is Disney" when we get things like this: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/0/0a/Pyke_Promo_01.png/revision/latest?cb=20180515033457 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/d/d1/Swain_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181021110155 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/a/aa/Urgot_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181021122432 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/92/Aatrox_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181021120902
: > [{quoted}](name=SpudBud,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WriotR8O,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-20T00:14:43.593+0000) > > The thing is , lore. Her new lore clearly states that she was raised among early demacians, hence the color change. And all the other changes are because ITS A FULL REWORK. I like to think of full reworks as them replacing champs to keep the roster the same size. Kayle was not seen as a popular champ, in casual or competitive. They saw that the old kayle was not a good enough design anymore. They saw that she was not as popular as other champs. That is the point of full reworks. Aatrox was the same way. He was the most memed champs as being bad in visual design and gameplay. Now look at him. He's different. New. Better. And yet we all complained about how he was different. We all like to think that we appreciated the old kayle, but her play rates say otherwise. It is very depressing to see how many people are calling this rework a failure when most wouldn't have played kayle in the next 6 months without this rework. Face it. Kayle needed this and she looks goddamned fucking amazing. It is a 100% upgrade. Now stop wining about a champ who is known for justice but has gotten little. And actually think about the overall wellness of a champ. Bruh. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Warlord%20Rhinark Kayle main here, and I can definitely say that the quote on quote "100% upgrade", is a straight up downgrade. If you want to talk about the "overall wellness" of a champion, at least be the one actively playing it.
> quote on quote "100% upgrade" How do you manage to be wrong and redundant at the same time?
: The worst part about the Kayle rework...
> ...is that there's a 99.99% guarantee Riot won't listen to any criticism whatsoever, or even suggestions on how to amend, if even partially, this atrocity. Stay classy, boards… https://twitter.com/RiotAugust/status/1097987114531119104
: Silver Kayle is as epic as it gets
Isn't that Alex Flores' work? He did the best artworks in League, imo.
: But she's lacking actual armor on her vital organs. And no, despite what has been said, that white and gold chestplate is at most, a layer of spandex. Except for Inquisitor, all the skins presented in the post have vital organ protection in one way or another, and actually make the effort of looking like it's there and serves a purpose. They need to buff new Kayle's upper "armor" considerably both ingame and in the splash if they want anyone to actually believe that´s armor.
> But she's lacking actual armor on her vital organs. Judgement Kayle has cloth on her belly. Aether Wing Kayle has some spandex suit below the chest plate, which wouldn't even protect her heart. Riot Kayle also has cloth on her belly and the chest plate stopping above her heart. Pentakayle is surprisingly the most protected, and she still doesn't have any armor on her belly. Inquisitor Kayle just has cloth, and no plate at all on the chest.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=0006000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-19T18:11:46.431+0000) > > That's…totally irrelevant, and also far from an issue. That's neither irrelevant nor far from an issue though? If you can't make the skin without making major changes to the model, it's an issue. Besides, as someone has already pointed out, Riot Kayle doesn't have wings. Sure, it's "contraptions made to look and function like wings", but it isn't wings.
> Sure, it's "contraptions made to look and function like wings", but it isn't wings. They feel like wings, and that's the important part… Also, removing wings are surely easier than making the Aether wings from the eponymous skin, so that's definitely not the issue. This skin is already a complete model change.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-02-19T14:55:32.897+0000) > > Try making a Kayle skin without wings, we'll see if skins don't reflect identity Making a Kayle skin without wings wouldn't be possible without making major changes to her model itself.
That's…totally irrelevant, and also far from an issue.
: Those are SKIIIIIIIIINS
Still relevant about her visual identity
Quepha (NA)
: Bro you posted skin splash arts to try and make a claim about how people see Kayle in canon. Literally the entire point of skins is to differ from canon in some way.
It's not about canon, it's about visual identity… Besides, I still don't see how that relates to calling someone pedantic.
: Judgement Kayle has pauldrons, boot armor and lower face protection. Aether Wing Kayle has probably the thickest armor out of all her skins, and is also much more armored than new Kayle can ever hope to be. Riot Kayle has a helmet, knee and shin guards, pauldrons and chest kevlar PentaKayle has pauldrons, armored shirt and armored boots. Inquisitor is the only exception here. And even in that skin, she has pauldrons.
New Kayle also has pauldrons, boot armor, helmet and leggings
Quepha (NA)
: You accusing someone else of being pedantic in this thread is high comedy.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-19T14:59:39.042+0000) > > Technically, so does new Kayle… Yeah, except new Kayle is supposed to be the status quo that the skins deviate from. She's not supposed to be a deviation right from the start.
And as you can see, half of her skins have little to no armor. It shows how non-important it is to her identity.
: Skins do **not** change a champion's core identity--they take a champion's identity and apply it to an alternate universe. Kayle is still Kayle whether she's an angel, a cop, steampunk, a dog, Obama, or anything else. Just like how Sona is mute in every single skin she has. Y'all need to fix your arguments if you're gonna complain about something like Kayle not having armor, Guess what? She has wings in every skin. THAT is her identity--an angel. Armor is not what defines her.
Thank you. Basically, her visual identity is a winged, sword-wielding humanoid
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-19T14:56:42.139+0000) > > Crazy, right? Especially when you realize that all skins coincidentally all have wings and a sword! Riot Kayle doesn't have a sword. Or wings. But whatever, that's because you cannot change character model too much while making skins. That would be really confusing.
> Riot Kayle doesn't have a sword. Or wings. Don't be pedantic, she has contraptions on her back that resemble wings and fulfill the same function. Same idea for the stick.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-02-19T14:46:37.840+0000) > > That's not the point. Even with skins, the identity is there. People weren't complaining about Aether Wing Kayle not having armor because armor is, in the end, not the important part of Kayle's visual identity. Aetherwing has armor though.
Technically, so does new Kayle…
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: Holy shit, skins that change the design? Who knew!
Crazy, right? Especially when you realize that all skins coincidentally all have wings and a sword!
: Skins aren't reflective of the character's identity.
Try making a Kayle skin without wings, we'll see if skins don't reflect identity
: Say it with me, kids. SKINS. ARE. NOT. CANON. Unless specifically stated otherwise for some reason or another by Riot.
That's not the point. Even with skins, the identity is there. People weren't complaining about Aether Wing Kayle not having armor because armor is, in the end, not the important part of Kayle's visual identity.
Rioter Comments
Zapzya (OCE)
: Kayle’s colour palate: What happened to the fire?
> What happened to the fire? Still there https://i.imgur.com/06FGYVp.png
Ifneth (NA)
: You Know You Done Goofed When...
> even the Boards think your new female champ design is too sexy The boards are never happy no matter what Riot does. It's not in any way worse than usual.
: "Riot, don't make Kayle and Morgana generic good vs evil"
I'm pretty they're opposites on the Law/Chaos axis
Rioter Comments
Terozu (NA)
: That ending quote with Kayle and Morg.
> superiority vs down to earth Very literally
: I know Sylas isn't OP overall but what the actual fuck is that healing?
Self-healing for a melee bruiser is not the same as ally healing for potentially anyone. Soraka's issues are totally different…
Haziv (EUW)
: Debonair Taric
I want to hit enemies with flowers, with the bouquet making *flof flof* sounds.
Yenn (NA)
: It's 2019 and choosing your secondary runes is still some of the worst UX in the world
RallerenP (EUW)
: "Riot should just make a list of banned words" and how not to be condescending.
Don't forget that once everything pizza-related is banned, people will just start saying "I'm italian" as slang.
: Honestly Soraka looked fucking terrifying
> [{quoted}](name=5StackUltOneShot,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2xgLvyEw,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-01T23:22:47.954+0000) > > Honestly Soraka looked fucking terrifying I mean, from above, it looked like you were playing a larva, really.
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EscQiqQM,comment-id=0004000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-28T10:53:40.400+0000) > > Oh sorry, I guess the patch notes have been mistaken, then… > > The reality is there, and what I said is how it works. That you don't understand the context enough is irrelevant, that's how it works. Then tell Riot how it works. Specifically, prove that it did not happen, in a professional game, recorded, watched by hundreds of thousands of people, commentated on by Riot's own employees. Prove the actual reality of what happened wrong.
I'm not saying it did not happen. I'm saying that it's normal that it happens. There is a simple system that calculates your bounty, and whether you accept it or not is your problem. Bounties on CS are basically the same as bounties on kills, even on the gold-earned-to-bounty ratio, yet no one ever complained about those…
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EscQiqQM,comment-id=00040000000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-27T20:29:31.631+0000) > > No, saying how bounties work does. > Have *you* ever bothered to look up how bounties work exactly? You are saying numbers based on something that is written somewhere. What I posted is video proof, of an actual professional game, watched by hundreds of thousands of people, commentated on by Riot's own employees. What I said, actually happened. Is known by hundreds of thousands of people. Numbers on a website mean nothing compared to actual reality.
> Numbers on a website mean nothing compared to actual reality. Oh sorry, I guess the patch notes have been mistaken, then… The reality is there, and what I said is how it works. That you don't understand the context enough is irrelevant, that's how it works.
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EscQiqQM,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-01-25T17:54:13.313+0000) > > Except it literally doesn't… You build a bounty of 50g for your first 250g of CS *difference* plus 50g for every extra 150g earned that way. The bounty is equal to 20-33% of the gold gathered that way, so shut up, please. Saying shutup does not make your post accurate. I posted the actual numbers in the game, for a person on a losing team. Go look it up before you decide to make a comment about what you feel is truth over what is actually there, on screen, that the commentators are mocking.
> Saying shutup does not make your post accurate. No, saying how bounties work does. Have *you* ever bothered to look up how bounties work exactly?
Verxint (NA)
: So with 20g per cs, 19 cs is 380 gold for a 350 gold bounty. That's still ridiculous
> the CS difference is calculated based on the average of the enemy team, not just the lane opponent.
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EscQiqQM,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-25T15:18:28.542+0000) > > yeah I understand the idea behind the changes to the bounty system but the values are screwy. I even disagree with the change entirely but no matter what, the numbers are seriously an issue. They make zero sense at all. Even if you can justify giving out a bounty (which I do not like) for CS, giving out more gold than the CS earned is ridiculous.
> Even if you can justify giving out a bounty (which I do not like) for CS, giving out more gold than the CS earned is ridiculous. Except it literally doesn't… You build a bounty of 50g for your first 250g of CS *difference* plus 50g for every extra 150g earned that way. The bounty is equal to 20-33% of the gold gathered that way, so shut up, please.
Syrile (NA)
: 0/1/1 vs 1/0/1 and a 19 CS difference equals 650 Gold Bounty
The bounty amount comprises the usual kill gold. The bounty itself is really just 350. Also, the CS difference is calculated based on the average of the enemy team, not just the lane opponent.
: SOME PLACE MALICIOUS AND WAY MORE METAL
The ultimate achievement: being the embodiment of a champion's community
: Last man standin'
I can't wait for all the "Morde mains since s1" to come out and complain about his rework.
: Roadmap hype?
Malicious Metal still hoping for the Morde VGU announcement
: New lolesports site is poorly designed.
Meanwhile, on https://eu.lolesports.com/en
Verxint (NA)
: Low spec mode still has some animations. I want my rune selection to have literally no animations.
: Is there a reason why selecting a champion doesn't cause it to auto lock in when timer runs out?
It's to force people to lock, which has two purposes: * Making sure they're present during draft, which is an important and often underrated part of the game * Preventing them from carelessly wasting everyone's time by waiting for the timer to run out
: because Riot has done things to make the (Gameplay) boards angry at them.
: Unpopular Opinion: Riot is pulling Apple tactics
"Unpopular Opinion:" *posts a very popular opinion currently flooding the hot page*
: A serious question to the "live design team".
*Conveniently doesn't care about any Rioter's statements within the last 3 years where they've been talking over and over about the mistakes they acknowledged and what they learned from them, why they think other things they've done are healthy, and how some assumptions about the game's state are factually untrue* "WHY IS RIOT NOT TALKING TO US?!!!????!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!????!?!??!?"
Crispi (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lW4HPLIZ,comment-id=000100030000,timestamp=2019-01-11T17:14:49.899+0000) > > And that was either because nobody ever tried doing that on PBE or it simply didn't happen there. Downvoting a correct and factual comment because you think you know better is dumb. > > The PBE IS for bugfixes. Period. Nothing else. It doesn't have any reliable data s mentioned and neither does it have the sheer amount of people playing to collect it and in turn figure out when what breaks. > > Just use your brain for a second and think. > > The 2k or whatever many people on PBE > vs > The hundreds of thousands of players on live > > Who will find more bugs? "The PBE IS for bugfixes. Period. Nothing else. It doesn't have any reliable data s mentioned and neither does it have the sheer amount of people playing to collect it and in turn figure out when what breaks." Huh just for bugfixes? You sure about that? If it's for intended for bugfixes only, why are they releasing patch notes into beta before live? You are truly mistaken sir. Know your facts before you post something stupid. I'm not saying PBE is completely flawed but there were numerous patches which completely straight up broke the game. The Beta client should serve as some sort of deterrent to those game breaking patches. Look at Vayne right now. Look what happened to ADC's. There was a time (even sometimes now) where bruisers and mage just took the ADC slot.
> why are they releasing patch notes into beta before live They don't… surrender@20 does…
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