CLG ear (NA)
: Tyler1 Championship Series (TCS) - 16 teams competitng
Oh wauw, i didn't really pay attention to the teams before, but now i know why delta fox had such easy matches...all the good players/teams are in group b
Xinyuo (EUW)
: Dear Riot, your adaptive damage system is screwing over support players (and some junglers)
'' Nothing about where it scaled with the old supports better than now.'' You're, so, immensely, stupid, holy, shit. Offensive runes on sups weren't for scaling, they were for early '' Level 3-4, you should be stacked plenty in whatever stat you prefer'' Again, not on supports, so thats bullshit '' You're even claiming melee supports are the ones who have it so bad, as though ranged ones don't get off like 3x as many autoattacks in lane, and therefore scale far better on the AD. Who are you playing support bottom, Gangplank? '' Its not about ''who gets more aa's off'' (not to mention a decent leo gets like 6-7 of during her full rotation), its about optimizing stats. If you can get 60 more damage of during an all in with AD (due 2 more hits/low ratios or long cd's/ aa resets on leo/blitz), and only 24 with ap, you opt for AD, its that fkn simple. Every single melee supp at higher elo (but braum/taric) ran AD (or armor). AP on a melee sup hitting their ''AP-scaling-rotation'' only once every minute isn't really useful. But its ok, stay handicapped, silver for 5 seasons. ps: anyone around here for long knows that accounts got mass-banned on boards early on when NA/EU GD merged+who you shit talking, you never played supp, even less games than this dead account Just stop
Terchio (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xinyuo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-18T14:20:41.978+0000) > > 1. You're clueless af, AS, hybrid marks, mpen marks, AD marks and armor marks, were all legit good options On supports? Do you know your topic? Supports don't scale the damage high enough to make Pen near as viable, nor AD for AS on them. Stay on topic. > [{quoted}](name=Xinyuo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-18T14:20:41.978+0000) > 2. Just because ''there is an alternative harass path'' doesn mean jack sheit. Chars that do well with AP early get a legit huge advantage, those who did better with AD are cucked because of riots flawed ''not really a choice'' design. Both can get aery, but only 1 of em can get the stat they want Both get a huge benefit regardless of their initial scaling. Aery and Electrocute both have decent AD ratios, so that's not the problem. It is maybe slightly easier to burst with AP champions because... well... AP is friggin' burst. That's the same as AP vs. AD has always been. Anyone has always been able to pack on the AD Marks to poke harass with autoattacks, which is your pointless thread in the first place. Now they make that something you have to build towards, and you feel like you've been cheated out of autoattack damage when you can build moreso in that direction just fine, the only problem is that you can **no longer get both AD and AP** as easily. It's so weird how you have to choose directions to go, now. Either way, though, the harass is there. > [{quoted}](name=Xinyuo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-18T14:20:41.978+0000) > 3. being forced into a non support item is ok? Stop kissing riots ass. I don't kiss Riot's ass. I hate how they removed old Runes. However, you found the one thing they almost did right, given this horrible system. > But ye, another hardstuck. Who somehow manages to play 5 seasons, and still running heal on elise jungle (???????????) while having the worst stats i've, ever seen. And the low blow. At least you put some effort into this one. I'd never say my build was for everyone, but then again, I hate Flash with a passion. It's just about the most pointless skill there is, usually used to save your own neck. Yes, I had a rough going early in the season with it, and I'd never say my KDA was up to par, but that's my playstyle. However, I'd say I've gotten my playstyle back where I want it at 11-4 winrate over the past 15 games, even with Lethal Tempo, which I've now found to be underwhelming in this build, and with Fleet Footwork, which in general is usually underwhelming. Now, adjust yours accordingly. Speaking of, do you even play ranked? Do you even play? What the hell are you even bitching about?
> [{quoted}](name=Terchio,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-18T22:47:44.632+0000) > > On supports? Do you know your topic? Supports don't scale the damage high enough to make Pen near as viable, nor AD for AS on them. Stay on topic. > > Both get a huge benefit regardless of their initial scaling. Aery and Electrocute both have decent AD ratios, so that's not the problem. It is maybe slightly easier to burst with AP champions because... well... AP is friggin' burst. That's the same as AP vs. AD has always been. > > Anyone has always been able to pack on the AD Marks to poke harass with autoattacks, which is your pointless thread in the first place. Now they make that something you have to build towards, and you feel like you've been cheated out of autoattack damage when you can build moreso in that direction just fine, the only problem is that you can **no longer get both AD and AP** as easily. It's so weird how you have to choose directions to go, now. Either way, though, the harass is there. > > I don't kiss Riot's ass. I hate how they removed old Runes. However, you found the one thing they almost did right, given this horrible system. > > And the low blow. At least you put some effort into this one. I'd never say my build was for everyone, but then again, I hate Flash with a passion. It's just about the most pointless skill there is, usually used to save your own neck. Yes, I had a rough going early in the season with it, and I'd never say my KDA was up to par, but that's my playstyle. However, I'd say I've gotten my playstyle back where I want it at 11-4 winrate over the past 15 games, even with Lethal Tempo, which I've now found to be underwhelming in this build, and with Fleet Footwork, which in general is usually underwhelming. Now, adjust yours accordingly. > > Speaking of, do you even play ranked? Do you even play? What the hell are you even bitching about? 1. Ye, I know my topic as a d2 support main (+80% winrate smurf in high plat) i also spend hours a day on getting the perfect runepage for every support i have, ending up trying over 80+ different pages over a couple of months. But i'm sure a healelise main can tell me how to spec supps (armor did become more common during the coincenser-egirl-meta tho) Also, again, it doesn't matter if you can build towards it, because both people who benefited more from AP and those who benefited from AD use those runes, which means the ones who prefer AD get cucked. ''so weird how you have to choose directions to go'' No, thats the thing, you can't, its ap, ap, or ap, or ap. '' hate Flash with a passion. It's just about the most pointless skill there is,'' Ye, no one is gonna take you serious friend. ''Yes, I had a rough going early in the season with it, and I'd never say my KDA was up to par, but that's my playstyle. However, I'd say I've gotten my playstyle back where I want it at 11-4 winrate over the past 15 games,'' Not up to par? I've seen people playing with a touchpad in high dia doing better. Also winrate in pre season is 0% relevant. Even less if your duo carries you
Terchio (NA)
: Who even said it was viable? OP wants some AD early, there's his AD, and unlike old Runes, not everybody is going to have that source of damage early as far as supports go. AD was basically all that was viable in Marks for supports, save low-power Armor Marks. If OP wants to pretend that AD runes were OP for a good reason, he can get those now, and without it being the opponent's choice as well. However, like I said... >You want that harrass early, you have to grab a keystone balanced around heavy early game power, like Summon Aery or Electrocute. That in no way implies that AD early is viable. Actually, it means Summon Aery and Electrocute are viable harass options on supports, and you haven't been playing if you think that's wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=Terchio,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2017-11-18T07:29:56.598+0000) > > Who even said it was viable? OP wants some AD early, there's his AD, and unlike old Runes, not everybody is going to have that source of damage early as far as supports go. AD was basically all that was viable in Marks for supports, save low-power Armor Marks. > > If OP wants to pretend that AD runes were OP for a good reason, he can get those now, and without it being the opponent's choice as well. However, like I said... > > That in no way implies that AD early is viable. Actually, it means Summon Aery and Electrocute are viable harass options on supports, and you haven't been playing if you think that's wrong. Okay 1. You're clueless af, AS, hybrid marks, mpen marks, AD marks and armor marks, were all legit good options 2. Just because ''there is an alternative harass path'' doesn mean jack sheit. Chars that do well with AP early get a legit huge advantage, those who did better with AD are cucked because of riots flawed ''not really a choice'' design. Both can get aery, but only 1 of em can get the stat they want 3. being forced into a non support item is ok? Stop kissing riots ass. But ye, another hardstuck. Who somehow manages to play 5 seasons, and still running heal on elise jungle (???????????) while having the worst stats i've, ever seen.
Terchio (NA)
: If you really want your AD early, grab a longsword, and all your adaptive damage will be AD. Then you can build into AP and once AP overtakes AD, it will "adapt" into the direction. Problem is, no support wants AD in any realistic sense when AP is readily available in equivalent values. Also, adaptive damage is almost jack until level 6 anyway, by the time your AD harass means next to jack in the first place. Overall, supports don't have as much AD harass, but neither does anybody else early on with the lack of early game stats. You want that harrass early, you have to grab a keystone balanced around heavy early game power, like Summon Aery or Electrocute. Because most other builds need to build into their effectiveness, there's been basically no better time to build early game harrass. It's not like any build can throw up AD Marks and harrass right back, you have to build that direction. That *IS* a playstyle now.
> [{quoted}](name=Terchio,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-11-17T13:55:54.901+0000) > > If you really want your AD early, grab a longsword, and all your adaptive damage will be AD. Then you can build into AP and once AP overtakes AD, it will "adapt" into the direction. Problem is, no support wants AD in any realistic sense when AP is readily available in equivalent values. Also, adaptive damage is almost jack until level 6 anyway, by the time your AD harass means next to jack in the first place. > > Overall, supports don't have as much AD harass, but neither does anybody else early on with the lack of early game stats. You want that harrass early, you have to grab a keystone balanced around heavy early game power, like Summon Aery or Electrocute. Because most other builds need to build into their effectiveness, there's been basically no better time to build early game harrass. It's not like any build can throw up AD Marks and harrass right back, you have to build that direction. That *IS* a playstyle now. YOu missed the point completely
Xinyuo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=000000040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-15T17:23:29.129+0000) > > http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=xinyou > > > http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/292/924/469.gif Look, i get it, eune players aren't the brightest around. But not only did you type the name wrong, this is also just a post account.
> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00000004000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2017-11-17T13:36:04.064+0000) > > You have the options to either politely explain why something is bullshit, or to just not respond at all if you're too lazy for that, but instead you choose to go for insults. What does this make you then if not an ass? > > You were silver both this season and last season, and your MMR is that of a Gold 4. You're not in a position to use "silver" for insults, you're only slightly better than one. I have explained it in every post And why don't you come to euw. We'll see how ''silver'' i am (and no, thats not a 1v1 challenge) Also , why are you talking about this seasons rank, i haven't even used this account yet this season, nor did s8 start. Eune chump.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 17
ye, lets nerf leo/taric based on pre season rather than checking if the runes arent retarded. Leona hasn't been relevant for 3 seasons, might be a hint. This is only gonna lock people into having to spec aftershock since leo will be garbo w/o it if they nerf her. Also, sona and nami are still doing better than taric, but i guess when its about egirls it doesn't matter
: > [{quoted}](name=Xinyuo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0001000200010001,timestamp=2017-11-15T12:38:20.243+0000) > > Thief is pretty good gold inc atm its unreliable, unless you play champions like sona which cannot miss their attacks..... and it doesn't give you much sustain either.
> [{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00010002000100010000,timestamp=2017-11-16T09:44:56.817+0000) > > its unreliable, unless you play champions like sona which cannot miss their attacks..... > and it doesn't give you much sustain either. Huh, thief has always been good lol. It does fall of later on but its by far the best early/midgame gold item. It also gives you really good trade potential Coin was simply bonkers for a while, but thief was still good, and now it got buffed (for some reason, even tho MR got removed???) its even better.
Xinyuo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=000000040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-15T17:23:29.129+0000) > > http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=xinyou > > > http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/292/924/469.gif Look, i get it, eune players aren't the brightest around. But not only did you type the name wrong, this is also just a post account.
> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00000004000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-16T06:11:22.950+0000) > > Fine, made a typo, but it didn't really matter anyway: > http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=xinyuo > > Also, you can't possibly expect anyone to listen to you with the attitude you're showing. The only thing you're accomplishing is making yourself look like an ass, so may as well just not post at all. Yes, you linked an inactive account i was rushing to gold before end of season (hence the jax winrate), then i realized they gave graves as reward, and seeing i already had graves it didnt matter. Also, i'm not being an ass just because i don't respond nicely to complete bullshit.
: Spellthief give you 10 AP, sorcery/domination give you 18 AP while Inspiration give you a god damn wooping 27 AP early. Add to that 5 ap if you take absolute focus. You can start the game with 42 AP as a support, to a minimum of 28. It is far bigger than everything AP support had before. Add to that the 'nerf' to magic resistance, add to that the damage coming with scorch and aerie and you can god damn bully with a soraka. Spellthief also give more gold every time you proc it. AP support are better, it is a fact. If they get a rough time, it will be because tank support could rise and their all-in is Deadly with the current dmg input of this season.
> [{quoted}](name=Nevrankroaton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0001000200010000,timestamp=2017-11-15T12:05:07.351+0000) > > Spellthief give you 10 AP, sorcery/domination give you 18 AP while Inspiration give you a god damn wooping 27 AP early. > > Add to that 5 ap if you take absolute focus. > > You can start the game with 42 AP as a support, to a minimum of 28. > > It is far bigger than everything AP support had before. Add to that the 'nerf' to magic resistance, add to that the damage coming with scorch and aerie and you can god damn bully with a soraka. > Spellthief also give more gold every time you proc it. > > AP support are better, it is a fact. If they get a rough time, it will be because tank support could rise and their all-in is Deadly with the current dmg input of this season. So its not even more unless you have absolute focus. We're not gonna name runes that are generally pretty terrible (i honestly can't imagine ever taking focus on anyone but nami, maybe im wrong) and inspiration is absolutely terrible once klepto gets nerfed. So you generally have 28 ap with spellthief, vs the 36 you would have had last season with the same incarnation of thief.
: I did actually write a support ticket about this issue to Riot. Guess what they told me! It seems rioters are trying to be ridiculously friendly when reacting to the community's negative feedback on some preseason changes. I am not going to post their reply here but basically i felt belittled when I was told how good of an idea it was to let players choose if they want bonus adaptive AD or AP. They acted as if they had not thought of it themselves before - utter bullcrap. Well, anyway... my issue as a support Leona Player is the same as with Bard. I want early bonus AD because my ability scalings are lousy af, which means I do more damage from autos with bonus AD, yet I am forced into AP. Preseason is gonna increase diversity and allow players to explore different builds my ass!
> [{quoted}](name=Doomsday Judge,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-11-15T18:25:35.852+0000) > > I did actually write a support ticket about this issue to Riot. Guess what they told me! It seems rioters are trying to be ridiculously friendly when reacting to the community's negative feedback on some preseason changes. I am not going to post their reply here but basically i felt belittled when I was told how good of an idea it was to let players choose if they want bonus adaptive AD or AP. They acted as if they had not thought of it themselves before - utter bullcrap. > > Well, anyway... my issue as a support Leona Player is the same as with Bard. I want early bonus AD because my ability scalings are lousy af, which means I do more damage from autos with bonus AD, yet I am forced into AP. Preseason is gonna increase diversity and allow players to explore different builds my ass! Haha, you got 1 who's obviously trying to score positive points in the ''how did we do'' mail.
Ayzev (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xinyuo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00000004000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T22:11:36.647+0000) > > Also what am i ignorant about, please, tell me how you are still s3 after 700+ games http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=xinyou http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/292/924/469.gif
> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=000000040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-15T17:23:29.129+0000) > > http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=xinyou > > > http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/292/924/469.gif Look, i get it, eune players aren't the brightest around. But not only did you type the name wrong, this is also just a post account.
Rexxiee (NA)
: 13 out of the 16 adcs have a sub 50% win rate atm
Nothing to do with ezreal having a near 30% pickrate with 57% w/l Also op gg only basing it on korean stats, other global websites show way more 50+ ps: i don't think AD's are in a good spot, but these stats aren't really showing anything.
: > [{quoted}](name=Nevrankroaton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2017-11-14T21:26:09.514+0000) > > You get easily more AP early on a support, any sorcery main page or inspiration main/sorcery second gain a LOT of ap. > Add to that the ap from the blue support item and the massive new gold generation it give, and trust me, NONE of them have a bad early game. > > Annie support is being viable again for a reason pal. after 10 minutes which is mid to late game (at 20 min max adaptive ap from gathering storm). and what '' a LOT of ap'' ????? you start with 0 ap or 5 ap with focus try using amulet now........ every sup is forced {{item:3303}} or {{item:3302}} the issue is that spellthief is horrible gold income and relic shield is mainly for tanks.
> [{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=000100020001,timestamp=2017-11-15T09:51:12.315+0000) > > after 10 minutes which is mid to late game (at 20 min max adaptive ap from gathering storm). > and what '' a LOT of ap'' ????? you start with 0 ap or 5 ap with focus try using amulet now........ > every sup is forced {{item:3303}} or {{item:3302}} > the issue is that spellthief is horrible gold income and relic shield is mainly for tanks. Thief is pretty good gold inc atm
: So just pick up a {{item:1036}} early on if it's _that_ big an issue. I can't imagine it will be, though. Because if you're playing a support tank, you shouldn't even be bothering to opt into damage-oriented runes (the entirety of your budget goes to keeping you and your team alive), and if you're playing an enchanter, you scale with AP anyways.
Can i please have 1 person who isn't completely clueless/tunneling on band-aid strats react rather than all this nonsense posts. AD is strongest before your first/second buy, and in no way can you avoid buying ad around that time. There's simply no justification for this, you should not be locked out of the stat you want to optimize for early on (without completely gimping your early), no matter what champ.
: Ok wow, regret giving you a chance to not be an ignorant ass. Also your argument is that you believe Adaptive stats are bad for the game, and that you wish you had the choice back. There's nothing factual about that statement, that's an opinion. You may want to re-read your headline. I'll let you have the last word, I know that's your favourite thing to have, it helps you prove you're right. Why else would you comment on every single person visiting your thread that doesn't see it your way? Here you go, all the best and good luck out there friend. I'm out
''I'll let you have the last word, I know that's your favourite thing to hav'' Oh boy, can you use an even more overused trick please. The ''you reply you lose, you don't reply you lose trick'', shame that idc. I said adaptive stats are bad for certain classes/champs (quite a bit of em). And yes, i think speccing into something you have no control over is bad. Riot didn't think this trou. If runes are supposed to give you choices, then don't remove said choices Also what am i ignorant about, please, tell me how you are still s3 after 700+ games ''Why else would you comment on every single person visiting your thread that doesn't see it your way?'' Ye, weird that trying to prove a point, which mostly gets dumb reactions from people like you, results in that.
: You were telling your point through saying "you must be terrible at this game, oh I checked yes you are". Sorry but you are agressively attempting to tell everyone your opinion is a fact, when it is an opinion
No, its not an opinion, if you're stuck in silver for 3 seasons, and 700 games played this season alone, you're terrible Also, i typed that post before even checking your op gg, so maybe you should consider that the way you view this game reflects your ingame performance. (like, really, its unfair that people can do damage to you with AA's? There's 100's of ways to check if they got AD) Also, my ap vs ad argument is based on facts/performance bro.
: You get easily more AP early on a support, any sorcery main page or inspiration main/sorcery second gain a LOT of ap. Add to that the ap from the blue support item and the massive new gold generation it give, and trust me, NONE of them have a bad early game. Annie support is being viable again for a reason pal.
> [{quoted}](name=Nevrankroaton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2017-11-14T21:26:09.514+0000) > > Y > > Annie support is being viable again for a reason pal. Annie support is as viable as sona jungle, electrocute is just broken
: We get it, you think playing aggro support is what make it skill and that people talking about you about AP ratio benefits are filthy hidden enchanter main or something. Now, understand that a conversation start with people trying to be polite toward each other, he was more than polite and opening a discussion, in your case, you just are a little whiny prick. Doesn't help engaging discussion in your incredible topic.
> [{quoted}](name=Nevrankroaton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=000000040000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T21:24:25.643+0000) > > We get it, you think playing aggro support is what make it skill and that people talking about you about AP ratio benefits are filthy hidden enchanter main or something. > > Now, understand that a conversation start with people trying to be polite toward each other, he was more than polite and opening a discussion, in your case, you just are a little whiny prick. > > Doesn't help engaging discussion in your incredible topic. I think you are on the wrong website https://www.reddit.com/r/supportlol/ this is where you can engage in conversation, be completely wrong, and still be defended by white knights. Also, AP ratio benefits don't mean jack if AD is 3x stronger early.
: or you know don't wait till 30 minutes. like just building jaurims or hydra are enough to get ad.
Bro, ty, no, i mean really, thank you I thought me not getting challenger on my main account were my micro/macro still lacking+ lack of time But it seems not rushing J-fist or tiamat (its tiamat btw) at lvl 1-2 was the problem.
: Great argument :) You defend your post to the last by taking the low road, very nice. You're not wrong about the added risks with the old style, I'm saying I don't see a problem with power added into a support's abilities and out of other means. You can still play aggressively or passively
> [{quoted}](name=Noblewind,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0000000400000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T20:30:47.605+0000) > > Great argument :) You defend your post to the last by taking the low road, very nice. > > You're not wrong about the added risks with the old style, I'm saying I don't see a problem with power added into a support's abilities and out of other means. You can still play aggressively or passively Yes, you can, and its less effective while promoting passive playstyle=bad (only those goin aery/with actual good ap ratios get reasonable compensated) I'm also not taking the low road, I'm simply confirming what you already made obvious from the start.
: isn't it based on what you build most of? build something that gives a bit of AD if you wanna go ad, if you don't idk why you'd care about the adaptive stats. Like I always build titanic on leo and i get AD just fine. Taric can utilise it pretty well too in my experience. support naut shouldn't care though i did always take ad runes on him, will be interesting to see if i can still oneshot full health minions with relics. while this isn't the answer you want it's the only solution i can see working. having to choose at the start would reduce the flexibility.
Yes, building tita hydra at 30 mins is a solution to the problem of having no AD in lane /s /s /s /s
: WHAT ap nerf? I have way more ap early now than I *ever* did as a support.
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-11-14T19:18:38.615+0000) > > WHAT ap nerf? > > I have way more ap early now than I *ever* did as a support. I haven't checked that. Tho with decent runes you could get 26+ lvl 1 @oldsystem
: I see no problem with this from a gameplay perspective. They added power to situational abilities and took it away from (for lack of a better term) cheese. Now when playing bard for instance it is increasingly more important to hit a stun and your meep autos. People are sort of crying for their old playstyles, but randomly doing more damage per auto to an enemy that can't even know you have that damage is pretty bad design imo. Really happy they got rid of those old runes
> [{quoted}](name=Noblewind,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00000004,timestamp=2017-11-14T18:53:28.256+0000) > > I see no problem with this from a gameplay perspective. They added power to situational abilities and took it away from (for lack of a better term) cheese. > > Now when playing bard for instance it is increasingly more important to hit a stun and your meep autos. > > People are sort of crying for their old playstyles, but randomly doing more damage per auto to an enemy that can't even know you have that damage is pretty bad design imo. Really happy they got rid of those old runes Taking the risk to get in more damage rather than only playing around safe cd's isnt ''cheese''. You must be pretty darn terrible at this game if you think spamming long range/cd/safe abilities is somehow a more healthy/skillful playstyle than juggling minion aggro/ facing the risk of being engaged on/countertraded against with the tradeoff of getting more lane presence. It also screws over people who's ratio's are bad. That said, after checking you out, i guess you are.
: well i dont know about leona, she often take resolve right? which means low adaptive if any runes about it, if she take precision same story, if she go for sorcery comet then she could probably use that magic damage from her skills plus comet to play as a burst champion
What she takes doesn't matter (electro is better btw). If you want AD at lvl 1, you should have that choice w/o having to build an item. Also, AD is still better
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-14T13:55:14.003+0000) > > Adaptive is based on your damage output. If you are more slanted to magic damage, you're going to be adaptively getting AP. So if I build AD but do magic damage I get AP? It doesn't go based on my stats?
> [{quoted}](name=Dat Master Yi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2017-11-14T16:49:50.099+0000) > > So if I build AD but do magic damage I get AP? > > It doesn't go based on my stats? No, then you get AD, but you're obviously not gonna rush AD lvl 1 on a support
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: Supports are still broken, stop crying about nothing. In fact i think the support role has been too dominant for the last 2 years, they could use some massive nerfs.
That has nothing to do with what i said Its also good to see that after i left this board 1.5 year ago you're still talking out of your bottom.
: Adaptive is based on your damage output. If you are more slanted to magic damage, you're going to be adaptively getting AP. This is why the tanks get AP. Almost all of the support tanks deal tons of magic damage, and the majority of them have AP scaling in their kits too, while almost none of them have AD scaling. Therefore, while you don't hit harder with autos, having more AP will benefit you in the long run because it will help your abilities scale. Same goes true for Bard and Lulu.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XtVQxYcf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-14T13:55:14.003+0000) > > Adaptive is based on your damage output. If you are more slanted to magic damage, you're going to be adaptively getting AP. This is why the tanks get AP. Almost all of the support tanks deal tons of magic damage, and the majority of them have AP scaling in their kits too, while almost none of them have AD scaling. Therefore, while you don't hit harder with autos, having more AP will benefit you in the long run because it will help your abilities scale. Same goes true for Bard and Lulu. No, this is not how it works (except for the fact that adaptive is based on your scaling, which is the problem). AP does not benefit you more over time (in the examples i gave). Scalings do not go up (if anything flat ap gets WEAKER once base damage goes up). If you do 55 more damage with ad at lvl 3 or 6, and only 21 more with ap, then AD is simply superior. Exceptions are only when your playstyle changes (for example, as lulu you're more ability focused lategame than early) (edit: yes, i'm aware ap scales when cd's go down) +starting stats are for, guess what, early game. If you want ap early on leo, you are probably terrible. ps: i use leo as example because she's the prime example for wanting AD, despite having AP scaling
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: [PBE] Urgot nerf on PBE is too harsh
Anyone claiming its only mains is delusional and trying to use an argument that SOMEHOW always pops up whenever a champion becomes OP He's way 2 broken midgame
: > [{quoted}](name=Xinyuo,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=JELGkanE,comment-id=0010000000000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-26T00:45:52.774+0000) > > TIL, brand builds ludens echo, oh wait, he does not. > > The thing with a 3600g censer is not only that there is no way to first-build this anymore (takes 2 long). Its also barely a real ''spike'' because the AP, even if good, is just an extra (unless you're janna) and inferior to the cheaper 2 item spikes (usually around 4.5k gold) other items provide > > I mean, ye, it be insane as lategame item, and coin gold probably allows it, but..hey, fk coin in general^ Well, as i see it, considering most items have components that somewhat imitate the fully built item's effect, there's easily a way to create new 800 to 1400 gold cost components that would have similar effect as the fully built OPCenser, you know, like Trinity or Cleaver, or Botrk, or Gunblade. With proper components the support can build that costly item without losing too much in efficiency as he does. Quick on the spot, Censer build path would look like; *New component *40 AP, Damage of the Censer proc but not the AS, mana regen and CDR + Aether Wisp + combine cost. I understand i talked about skyrocketting the item's cost/power and nothing else, but i forget you're not all in my brain planning this whole thing out properly. My bad, that. And really, all enchanters have pretty decent AP ratios. A full AP nami can hit for over 1k damage with her W at max bounce, not even counting what it does until then. Or wipe an entire minion wave of any size with that ult of hers to kill a siege. No need to speak for AP Sona or Bard who've seen midlane play. Only case that worries me is Soraka whose heals would probably scale WAY too well, but really all of that can be adjusted. Also, i'm intent on a similar idea of powering up for Tank and tank supports as well, but it's much easier to showcase the idea with Enchanters. I just like my champion's kits to scale, not just the items and actives they have access to as it basically makes them all near-clones of each other. If their currently available item passives/actives are too strong to be allowed to exist at the same time as scaled up supports, then i'd rather we nerf those instead.
> [{quoted}](name=GinoSoldier,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=JELGkanE,comment-id=00100000000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-26T01:34:48.406+0000) > > Well, as i see it, considering most items have components that somewhat imitate the fully built item's effect, there's easily a way to create new 800 to 1400 gold cost components that would have similar effect as the fully built OPCenser, you know, like Trinity or Cleaver, or Botrk, or Gunblade. With proper components the support can build that costly item without losing too much in efficiency as he does. Quick on the spot, Censer build path would look like; *New component *40 AP, Damage of the Censer proc but not the AS, mana regen and CDR + Aether Wisp + combine cost. > > I understand i talked about skyrocketting the item's cost/power and nothing else, but i forget you're not all in my brain planning this whole thing out properly. My bad, that. > > And really, all enchanters have pretty decent AP ratios. A full AP nami can hit for over 1k damage with her W at max bounce, not even counting what it does until then. Or wipe an entire minion wave of any size with that ult of hers to kill a siege. No need to speak for AP Sona or Bard who've seen midlane play. Only case that worries me is Soraka whose heals would probably scale WAY too well, but really all of that can be adjusted. > > Also, i'm intent on a similar idea of powering up for Tank and tank supports as well, but it's much easier to showcase the idea with Enchanters. > > I just like my champion's kits to scale, not just the items and actives they have access to as it basically makes them all near-clones of each other. If their currently available item passives/actives are too strong to be allowed to exist at the same time as scaled up supports, then i'd rather we nerf those instead. People like you are so tiresome...No idea what you talking about yet still typing out essays.
: > [{quoted}](name=Abyssphere,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=JELGkanE,comment-id=00100000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-25T20:43:24.766+0000) > > Are we seriously arguing with the pretext that support Brands and Annies rushing Luden's or even worse, DEATHCAP, are sensible people seeing success? Is this real life? Everything is real life, my friend. That and, to me if one strat works for someone, it can sure as hell work for another given the right pushes. As long as supports still buy their income items and the goddamn sightstone, i say they can spend however much they want on whatever they want. For Annie supp, that's a Luden's, for regular-minded folks it's a regular Censer, and for my brain, it's a boosted up, 100-120 AP, 3400-3600 gold variant of Censer. And really, i haven't seen a single good argument as to why that shouldn't be a thing. Just people saying 'But things are already like this, we can't change anything!'
TIL, brand builds ludens echo, oh wait, he does not. The thing with a 3600g censer is not only that there is no way to first-build this anymore (takes 2 long). Its also barely a real ''spike'' because the AP, even if good, is just an extra (unless you're janna) and inferior to the cheaper 2 item spikes (usually around 4.5k gold) other items provide I mean, ye, it be insane as lategame item, and coin gold probably allows it, but..hey, fk coin in general^

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