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arybloom (EUW)
: Sion's Balance
I'll have to disagree with the "Sion isn't overloaded" part. Tanks like Malphite Amumu and Mundo Exist. Sion has 1) an initiation tool 2) a shield 3) free bonus health 4) poke 5) a hard cc with a low cooldown 6) a post death "life" 7) an autoattack range of 175. The problem is he is hard to play on toplane because the new carry picks are just too strong and if he can beat them as a full tank then it means he is not overloaded but rather overpowered. Anyways, they removed the damage reduction of q vs monsters so I am definitely happy and will play him again.
Rioter Comments
: Lee did not need early buffs, maybe late game ones but not early lol I swear they were just making it rain, as much as I hate shaco, he could use some buffs to his mid and late.
> [{quoted}](name=A little Peepo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ku2oBnaf,comment-id=0027,timestamp=2019-07-29T11:50:36.704+0000) > > Lee did not need early buffs, maybe late game ones but not early lol I swear they were just making it rain, as much as I hate shaco, he could use some buffs to his mid and late. https://euw.op.gg/champion/shaco/statistics/jungle He is actually first in winrate among junglers for 40+ min games, you just have to get there. Which is impossible in the current meta (at a decent level). I understand that people below dia/high plat do not understand why he would need buffs because their games last forever and nobody is able to capitalize on the lack of pressure from Shaco early game or to regroup and end a game. This would not be such a problem if you actually could farm your jungle quickly and get items without snowballing. But the problem is you get approximately 1050 gold from a full jungle clear (if you get a scuttle, which will be hard if you don't predict where your ennemy jungler is going to be and don't have mid pressure). The problem is you need 1175 gold to get your tiamat. So backing after the first clear is useless. BUT if you do not back you probably will not even be able to kill krugs/raptors a second time (they are the first camps to respawn on the farm heavy route). To sum it up: if you don't get a kill before the end of your first clear, you will have 0 pressure until approximately minute 9 of the game, where in many cases, the game is already settled. And as you can guess, getting a pre level 4 kill is nearly impossible because your q lasts so short and you are very weak to counterganks. Another way of getting this gold is if one of your laner dies and doesn't have tp so you can freeze his lane / last hit. But as you can guess if your laner with ignite dies at level 3, your game will not be easy either. You pretty much have to hide for 15 minutes in fear of getting oneshot by a jarvan, lee sin or rek sai. (or even sejuani tbh). Your level 6 brings very low gank pressure. The problem with balancing shaco is exactly that early game chokehold : - Either you give him the possiblity to buy tiamat after 1 clear (reduce the price again and maybe lower the ad it provides (or change the components in order to remove that health regen, which mostly benefits toplaners (which were the targets for the tiamat nerf). - Either you find a way for him to rely less on tiamat (idk make his poison shiv deal a small but long dot to monsters so that he can hit several of them and apply talisman, or make boxes attack each nearby ennemy once instead of targetting one unit to apply talisman to all monsters) - Either you make other things on his kit completely busted to compensate for this HUGE weakness. (does not sound cool for other players)
: Stop me when I am wrong: You have the most binary assassin in the whole game in {{champion:35}} - Who offers no skillchecks for his damage (Press Q, walk up, auto with Trinity Force, Duskblade, Shiv, and his Passive + Q damage and one hit the carry). - Who offers only one skillcheck for his escape afterwords (timing R to avoid CC and Q'ing out). - Who is incredibly degenerate for the Jungle meta and champion pool whenever good early. - who offers very little actual counterplay at all skill levels (especially for melee picks). - Who Is highly frustrating to play against. - Who is so reliant on snowballing that his kit is a detriment to himself and his team if he falls behind Buffing Shaco (even a little) is probably not going to happen. It'd be like buffing Pantheon. Wait for his VGU, because Shaco is now in that territory Old Poppy, Old Eve, and now currently what Pantheon is in, where they are kept down on purpose because of how terrible for the game they are when viable.
> [{quoted}](name=Star PlatinumELO,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ku2oBnaf,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2019-07-25T15:40:26.099+0000) > > Stop me when I am wrong: > > You have the most binary assassin in the whole game in {{champion:35}} > > - Who offers no skillchecks for his damage (Press Q, walk up, auto with Trinity Force, Duskblade, Shiv, and his Passive + Q damage and one hit the carry). > > > - Who offers only one skillcheck for his escape afterwords (timing R to avoid CC and Q'ing out). > > - Who is incredibly degenerate for the Jungle meta and champion pool whenever good early. > > - who offers very little actual counterplay at all skill levels (especially for melee picks). > > > - Who Is highly frustrating to play against. > > > - Who is so reliant on snowballing that his kit is a detriment to himself and his team if he falls behind > > > Buffing Shaco (even a little) is probably not going to happen. It'd be like buffing Pantheon. Wait for his VGU, because Shaco is now in that territory Old Poppy, Old Eve, and now currently what Pantheon is in, where they are kept down on purpose because of how terrible for the game they are when viable. Except Pantheon was actually used in pro play. You can check this thread to see how relevant Shaco has been in pro play. I don't think a single other champ has been played less than him. Maybe AD Yi / Amumu / Udyr / Tryndamere? https://www.reddit.com/r/shacomains/comments/9241mk/off_meta_shaco_analysis_of_his_pro_play_history/
Infernape (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=hewhodoesnotcare,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ku2oBnaf,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-25T19:56:43.169+0000) > > One tricks. Try having casuals play him > > > BTW riot nerfed him because of lethality but never compensated him when they nerf lethality. If it was one tricks Shaco's pick rate would be between 1-2% like Aurelion Sol. Seeing as though his pick rate is about 3-4% depending on where you look, it's clear that one tricks aren't the only people playing Shaco.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ku2oBnaf,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-26T04:56:47.139+0000) > > If it was one tricks Shaco's pick rate would be between 1-2% like Aurelion Sol. Seeing as though his pick rate is about 3-4% depending on where you look, it's clear that one tricks aren't the only people playing Shaco. Bruh this is such a bad statistic to compare. The variety of midlane picks is wider than the variety of jungle picks, so of course Sol's percentage is going to be lower. Also you are comparing a champion that has been existing for 9 years to one that has been existing for 2. Of course there are going to be more Shaco one tricks than Aurelion Sols. Stop using these stats as a meaningful indicator: Vi is not the most busted jungler, Warwick and Volibear are not strong picks, Amumu is not well balanced. Most people who pick Shaco are (if not one tricks) not meta cucks who change their picks every 2 weeks and they actually know their champ. He was in a decent spot until 3 months ago, before they nerfed the tiamat that you have to buy on first back, forcing you to be useless for one more minute. And please people saying Shaco needs a rework: Stop. We do not need more champions who are flat and riot standardized. Shaco is one of the few OG junglers left in the game along Lee Sin, Elise, Nocturne and Jarvan (the latter being kept busted by riot for weird reasons). I will not put Volibear, Udyr and Amumu in this list for obvious reasons. We don't want that "everyone needs a conditional hard cc" bullcrap. Shaco is not about micro and never should be, he is a macro and strategy champ and that's what makes him fun. I mean come on even Nocturne had some pro presence and don't tell me this champion is better balanced or has more counterplay than Shaco. This is a proof Shaco needs a buff, and if not buffs, they need to just give him a tool to actually make him able to farm these fucking raptors. I am sorry for the low elo plebs that get stomped by smurfing shacos and cry that they cannot counterplay it. That could happen with every champion (also would happen less if shaco mains actually enjoyed playing shaco on their main account). I just don't know why he was reworked in the first place, as he actually had more counterplay before and clearer win conditions. All they had to do if they considered him to have too much damage is nerf his e damage (as they did) and put that mini box shit on his ult. No one asked for these dumb q and passive changes that put emphasis on his kit being only burst and having no counterplay.
: Riot: Kha'Zix and Lee Sin deserve buffs in 9.15 and Shaco does not.
Shaco does need buff but non toxic ones What Riot should to do to balance Shaco : Give him less scaling (snowball) and more base damage, also make him more decent early. How? - Make bruiser Shaco playable again : Decent slow on e passive at max level? Is a slow even a problem in a burst meta? Less scaling damage: q damage should be based on total AD (with an ap ratio if you want) and should not be based on flat damage + bonus AD, which makes Shaco rely on having enough skill points and items, which he can only get earrly game by snowballing. heck to be honest you can even remove that trashy bonus damage from q and put it back on passive, where it belongs and where it was before rework. This would give shaco more counterplay (do not let him attack your back) and more consistent damage rather than burst (which is why people consider him toxic). - Compensate for the fact that he really sucks at taking raptors (and krugs a bit too). These are the most valuable camps. Only shaco and Warwick have so much trouble clearing them (and maybe full tiger udyr) (guess why these champions suck atm). Make the boxes apply hunter talisman so shaco can buy a jungle item instead of NEEDING tiamat on first back or pretty much loosing the game: the item states that any sort of damage procs it but yet it's still not the case. Maybe give boxes a better vision radius so Shaco can compensate his lack of red side jungle control by having a better river entrances control. - Less bonus AD bonus on E and make it magical damage again : shaco relies on duskblade enough, he doesn't need to rely on armor penetration so much and this opens up the possiblity of other, less toxic builds. While making him easier to counterbuild when he goes full AP on a lane (see Shaco support being played with more success accross all servers than Shaco jungle) I am kind of tired of riot strandardizing champions and builds (shaco's rework and reliance on duskblade) rather than keeping their uniqueness. Zac on a lane was fun, why force him to be a jungle tank like others Old Xerath was unique even if it was a niche pick Old Shaco had clear power curves, and I will not even talk about old akali. Removing clear powercurves from the game is not fun.
Rioter Comments
: Wow great article. I really enjoyed that. I just started playing Lol this year. And Forgiven is my favorite ADC from Europe. Watching him go four games without dying was astonishing and really brought to my attention his mechanical prowess and combat sense in mass team fights. Today it looked like H2k really had no desire to see him get five games in a row and sent four men down there to take him out. Which is what I saw happen to C9 Sneaky by a Pro level smurf team on his stream the day before he played week 1 of the LCS. I think with C9 Sneaky, Forg1vengre, and Wild Turtle, that's the only way you can slow them down early game is with a four man team gank when there jungler and mid isn't around to save them. After Forg1vengre died today he played the rest of the game with a vengeance and dominated the rest of the game taking objectives and taking out enemies in team fights.
It's funny because the adcs you mention are the really consistent ones that don't tend to go for extremely flashy plays... I feel like Rekkles, Uzi or Doublelift are way more entertaining to watch
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"racist" probably comes from people saying fucking frenchies or stuff. It's not really racism imo. In the US you have that problem with "The US, and the rest of the world". You kinda all are like "EU is like one big country" and you don't understand there is actually history and rivalries between the country. So you putting "person from EUW" and saying we are insulting people just makes you "like you consider us to be" Think before typing. I would add some trash words with pleasure but that would make your point right so I won't eventhough you would deserve it. My regards -Arybloom

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