: I don't understand why Riot sometimes ignores their mistakes instead of fixing them
: Is there a specific reason why Riot is changing every on-hit bruiser?
: Vlad's healing is a problem.
: I find rakan to be frankly ridiculous
Ahpe (NA)
: Where was she leaked
Trauja (EUW)
: Akali rework leaked
: {{champion:420}} her w does % health true damage. Its the one you spam all game to do things.
KazKaz (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=bbQsauçe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vt7oUENA,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2018-07-15T09:37:40.368+0000) > > great meme.. let me guess.. you don't play tanks.. ???? That is kinda irrelevant here, but yes I do dabble in tanks. They're still really good. People are over-exaggerating when they say "Defensive stats. are useless", since defensive stats. still provide a LOT of survivability, it's just now you can't braindead facetank entire teams, now you need to use your brain and manage your HP effectively like everyone else (unless you're Galio or Rammus).
KazKaz (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=bbQsauçe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vt7oUENA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-07-14T16:08:31.715+0000) > > 4 AD LUL... I guess tanks will stay dead as a class.. Tanks are still really strong.
: Conquerer from 10-35 ad to 6-35 ad
: > [{quoted}](name=bbQsauçe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEE8K2Xy,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-07-14T03:05:13.409+0000) > > The job of marksmen was to kill everyone. > The job of bruisers and assassins was to kill the marksmen. > The tanks had the job of being the front line for their marksmen. > The mages had the job of killing the marksmen. > The supports had the job of keeping their marksmen alive. > > No thanks. I don't want a game that revolves around 1 mandatory clas.. So, they should nerf the queen in chess too? There should 100% be mandatory classes, just as their are stronger and weaker pieces in chess but all need to work together to maximize their strength.
: Bring back the Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock metas - PLEASE!
Shen MD (EUW)
: Correct me if I'm wrong. Let's say your output is 1.000 after proccing conqueror, then after mitigation If you didn't take into account the True Damage part, you'd deal let's say 600. Now the 20% True damage implies you deal 800 AD, 200 True Damage. After mitigation, to the same target it would be 480 AD + 200 True Damage. Effectively in that example you'de dealing 80 bonus damage than without it, and if you don't have shields, there is no counterplay to that damage.
KazKaz (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=bbQsauçe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=08U9ELBX,comment-id=0016000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-12T06:16:37.080+0000) > > Youmuus: 20 armor pen > Duskblade: 10 armor pen > Maw: 10 armor pen > > Armor pen from runes: 19.22 > Armor pen from masteries: around 5 (can't remember the exact value) > > total: around 65 FLAT armor pen. > > Max obtainable lethality in S8: 64 with sudden impact. > > So nope, items were more cost efficient AND more SLOT efficient (youmuus used to give 65 AD, Dusk 75 AD). > > I'm down to go back to flat armor pen lol, but that wouldn't fix the actual game problems. Except Duskblade before had a passive that didn't break AD assassins' damage. That and items were still more expensive. They were a little more cost effective, but their base prices made it so that mid laners and junglers had clear windows of opportunity to exploit their lack of damage. Now you can get your first full Lethality item by ~8-12 minutes and you just roflstomp in terms of damage. You were never able to do this before Lethality became the new "armor pen". Youmuu's wasn't even that great, most AD assassins still rushed Tiamat first and at times went straight into Last Whisper. Also RIP Last Whisper, the old LW was actually amazing. Also stacking armor pen. besides Youmuu's+LW was pretty much trolling unless you needed Maw for the defensive passive. Nowadays you just stack Lethality before it's simply THE best option. Plus, Lethality builds invalidate every other build for AD assassins. Rengar would love to go full crit., but Lethality is outright better. Shaco would love to go AP or crit., but Lethality is outright better. Kha'zix would love to go Tiamat or Manamune based builds, but Lethality is outright better. Talon would love to go full burst cheese build, but Lethality is just that and better. Zed would love to go BotRK and crit. based builds, but Lethality is THE best option. Lethality is so good that it just invalidates any other possible build path for AD assassins, with Duskblade being the core of the issue, acting as a crutch item for AD assassins. The fact that it's killing off other potential build paths should signify that the statistic is extremely good as well as cost effective.
KazKaz (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=bbQsauçe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=08U9ELBX,comment-id=00160001000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-11T02:52:24.568+0000) > > Armor pen was even stronger than lethality. You could come into lane with a dirk and 100-0 if they don't have armor, just like now. > > Lethality is just weak at the moment. I don't have a problem with champions dealing more damage with their abilities to squishies, that's how assassins are designed. > > I have a problem however with assassins dealing 40% of the enemy HP with just Electrocute + Ignite, with virtually 0 skill involved and 0 counterplay available to the opponent. That is what needs fixing, not lethality. Except there were less options and those options were quite expensive.
: Blaming “damage creep” for current balance issues missed an array of much larger problems at hand
: Just turn conqueror bonus damage to ad instead of true bring back fervor and it won’t hurt your game.
: Not a gut lmao 20% reduced slow at level 1 isn't that bad tbh.
: "We believe Zed dealing tons of ez burst damage alongside Electrocute & Duskblade is balanced"
KazKaz (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=bbQsauçe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=08U9ELBX,comment-id=001600010000,timestamp=2018-07-10T23:58:47.075+0000) > > Read the link i posted. I did, and I explained what my experience with Lethality is both as a user and hater of it. It's a silly statistic, armor pen. will forever be the healthier variation.
KazKaz (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=bbQsauçe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=08U9ELBX,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2018-07-10T20:29:00.832+0000) > > Can we stop spreading misinformation please? > > Lethality is NOT the problem. Lethality is weak. What needs a nerf is Ignite, Electrocute and duskblade-stormrazor. > > Lethality actually rewards you for using your kit and landing your abilities on the target. The abovementioned just add free damage with 0 skill required. > > More details: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1x5hK302-electrocute-ignite-duskblade-are-the-problems-not-lethality Lethality most definitely is one of the problems. Prove me wrong, I have mastery seven on every single assassin. You walk into lane with a Dirk and if your opponent doesn't buy an armour item first back you have the ability to 100-0 them. I wish I was kidding.
: lmfao at the Nasus buff on PBE
: please dont let fizz'es new W come to live servers
: "Landing your abilities on the target" in many cases amounts to "right clicking".
: I'm a man of reason. Here's what I think ACTUALLY needs to be dealt with in the game rn.
GreyfellD (EUW)
: I'm sorry but I can NEVER give credit to Yasuo mains...
saltran (EUW)
: GUTTED ?????? Holy exaggeration.
: -4 AD More cost for each of the core items Fundamental mechanic change with Infinity edge Extra spellblade damage to towers for mages Buffs to ignite Nerfs to heal Nerfs to base regen Nerfs to fleet footwork Want me to go on, or do you wanna act like it was only one thing that pushed them out of the only lane they have been able to be successful in excluding the odd pick elsewhere because they weren't viable bot at the time?
: So... about today's PBE update..
: because he has a stronger early game than darius. If darius procced 5x hemorrhage instnatly coming from someone that mains shens counterpick
: Rekkles, one of the best ADC's to ever play, basically being forced out of his role
: percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage LEARN TO READ LMAO jfc zed mains
: I'm fine with Lethality but I think it should ONLY BE ACCESSIBlE THROUGH LETHALITY ITEMS. Sudden Impact is the most brainless rune and needs to go.
KmSneaky (EUW)
: But you know assassin players don't care about facts ! it's all about them flashy moves.
: exept the fact i have less 9 armor than before thanks to the new runes. so serrated dick actually enables champions to do more than brutalizer did.
: >As a Zed player i remember back in S5/S6 when you actually had decision making in what you were going to build. You mean "hurr hurr Brutalizer > LW > Youmuu's > time to delete everything hurr"?
: > [{quoted}](name=Kynami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai6GYA0b,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-09T04:40:32.673+0000) > > Extra MR from old style defensive masteries and rune page setups went amazingly far actually... Because shields and barrier by extension take resists into account for how much damage the shield actually soaks. > > I remember on a few occasions seeing some burst monkey pop on the other side of the draft to counter me with a hit six and all-in and win mentality. What would I do? Take barrier, load up my Galio runes and play it defensively on my side of the river so I either got jungle assistance pre-six or they'd hit six and blow cooldowns overestimating their actual damage. Amazing feeling when you have an Annie pop *everything* and you come out of it via barrier and W toss with 75% health remaining and the Annie is now 20% health and zero lane priority until that flash is back up. > > The problem is that the game has been set up so that all *purchased* bulk is always behind purchased damage. There really isn't some pre-game bricking you can stuff in anymore to tilt that balance to deny an all-in or assassin type their early cheese that you outright expect. There's a difference between an all MR page and the 12 MR glyphs people used. There's no raw mpen in runes now for mages, but there was back then so most of that MR got completely countered so it was essentially the same as it is now with no mpen and no extra MR. You got a net 3 MR from your runes and that really saved you from 2% of their burst. Maybe 2.5%. So in an average scenario, it really did nothing. Having a full MR style page was cheesy and effective though because it gave you an extra 20-30 some MR, and it really wasn't anything you could anticipate or play around.
wildfox99 (EUW)
: not like {{item:3155}} (35 MR) negates {{item:3020}} {{item:3165}} + sudden impact as well not like it gives the equivalent of a {{item:3191}} stats without the need of stacking it on top of a low CD shield (reminder : 1 AD =/= 1 AD and 1AR =/= 1 MR) for 200 more gold
: Sorry but 35 AP doesn't do squat if you can't farm and you have no mana to poke or farm either so mages have the short stick. I speak from experience as AD does not lose really anything going hexdrinker first as they can still all in at 6 and get away with it while we can't do squat.
: This meta is actually pretty great for high elo
: I find it funny that people on the boards complain about ad itemization cucking them
: Ahem. Due to experience, I can say a mage will lose out way more going defensive first item than an AD. Top that with the awful mage mana nerfs, mages have been heavily crapped on to say the least. Maybe their hatred is because they have experienced this crap- the high burst, low risk AD assassins get everything they ever want, while the AP side is always either nerfed hard, given half assed mini reworks and then forgotten about (Karma), and their itemization just torn up while AD gets all the good stuff. The frustration is real because Riot is doing it, not because they are ignorant or just downvoting for whatever reason. I've been here since season 4 and have watched what Riot has done ever since then. The frustration is there because Riot has done this to them, and it's not right. At all.
Gntex (NA)
: why does aftershock give 4000 gold in free stats?
: The 15 armor they were stating was in response to the 150 damage shield. They were referencing the passives. But they are also ignoring that 15 armor when you don't have a lot is super valuable.
: "Shut up noobs ad itemization isnt superior"
: Assassins were more balanced before lethality
Eons3 (NA)
: talons ad ratios suck compared to most assassins full combo. Its just that he has an extra ability (his passive with RIDICULOUS RATIO) early. Typically speaking talons damage is about 60% that of zeds on a single target. His base damages are not even that impressive. Kha has a 1.3 ad ratio on q on a 3/4 second cd that goes up to 2.6ad, and AATROX has a 4.5 TOTAL ad ratio on 1 ability. Riven hits around 8.3 or 8.5X ad. Talons like at 5.3 or something. Zed can hit around 10 or 11x ad, Wukong is like 7 or 8, depending on how you do it. The problem with talon is everything is long range AND ez to hit.
: No he cant..., If you're at 50%, he definitely can, but he cannot just full hp you even with ignite at lvl 2. That would be one shotting lmao.
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