Kanzler (NA)
: Alright, I'll bite and actually give you reasons as to why your idea is bad. 1. Easily abused that would result in people sitting through many many more lobbies, thus increasing the time to get into a game. Bad. 2. If it were against the rules, why is it a feature that has existed since implementation? Surely riot could easily make it so hovered picks cannot be banned by teammates. 3. I get to ban whoever I want. As the game has worked since the start, bans have priority over picks. 4. Catch up on your references before whining about "spreading toxicity"
you're gullible. 1) The only way it would be abusable is in the same way as wintrades. Which is extremely rare, bothering, and not very efficient anyway 2) because riot is hypocrite, simple as this 3) lol no, you're not the one who decides. I also get to int however I want. See? 4) you're the one who needs catching up someone who is milions years ahead of you lol. Basic geometry.
: People don't like your idea because it is an easily abused idea. I guarantee the following situation would happen. Someone looks up their team. They don't like their team. They ban someone's intended pick to give that person a free dodge with no penalty in hopes that they take the dodge. There is also this situation that would happen. People would pick up on this and just auto ban eachother's picks every single game allowing for a free dodge if they don't like the enemy team comp. This would drastically increase queue timers.
I never said the dodge would be free for the guy who bans. You ban, you suffer dodge penalty. I already predicted what you said, premades would get dodge penalties too.
: Yeah, they do. This game is about teamwork and cooperation. If someone is intent on trolling, you have to either say something or ban their pick. For example, I'm not going to let my (autofilled) support bully me into giving up my role just because they hover Draven and threaten to int. That's not how this game, or the world in general, works. I have every right to ban their Draven, because their intentions in picking him are malicious.
nah they don't lol. It's in the summoner's code. If you're intentionally preventing someone from playing their champion, you're both toxic and ruining your team's chances. Doesn't matter "muhhhh I have rightsss to click buttons", you're just being a nuisance. And that's the best reason for a ban. Not the pathetic "ohh I'm such a weakling I need protection from big billions dollars companies from evil words on a screen that destroy my void soul"
: Me typing this is proof enough. Again, your claims are based off of assumptions based on personal vendettas. Youre the one making the accusation, so the burden if proof will always remain on you. As you don't have any, this is just another rant thread.
Nothing proves you're typing. See? Riot's system is probably the worse, everybody knows that. But since you insist, it's very easy to prove! 4 strangers, chosen by riot. All bad. Not only they cannot get carried, but they're also a heavier burden than if they were afk. https://i.ibb.co/KVMnByN/proof.jpg
Saezio (EUNE)
: The funniest thing is, they will always claim "OMG there have been so many posts about it, tons of people have had the same issue, yadayadayada" And when you tell them "ok let's compare MM post count to actual league community size" they don't reply. xD
wow you win arguments against 12yo, impressive. Now let's see how you fare against me. Soooo how about you compare "mm post count" to actual posts praising matchmaking and gameplay balance? :D "your post has been deleted for proving a ridrong wrong" incoming
: .... yet, you haven't proved how its "catastrophic". this in itself is an opinion which holds absolutely no weight regardless when trying to prove if it actually is. all you have stated are nothing but opinions, like again, every other thread.
Have you proved you existed? No, therefore you don't exist. That's pretty much your point
: When the "Protecting Children from Abusive Games Act" passes. Maybe without loot boxes they can focus on balancing more
honestly, we need something like that. With freedom of expression.
: this post assumes they create unwinnable games. and as im sure like every other thread that calls this, you most probably dont have any actual non-anecdotal proof (that is also most probably disproved anyway).
Obviously riot's matchmaking is catastrophic and incapable to create balanced games. Anyone who has played this game knows this. It's difficult to predict and balance accurately, so it's acceptable. But the least they can do, is to make sure everybody gets their fair share of LP.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=cTJay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A5ZJonzE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-25T19:14:14.396+0000) > > Learn to read, never said I was a one trick. Not your business anyway. It's your fault if you're trying to derail a topic, and it's not working. >"You didn't derail me" >Responds and is thus derailed.
so you coudln't understand the initial post and you don't understand that word either. Seems like the ones against my idea arent very bright ^^
: I'm allowed to ban champs I don't like playing against or with, idc.
nope, you're *able* which is different. Under the summoner's code, that's forbidden. But np, ban your team's champs and see how it goes ahhaha personnally that's guaranteed trolling
: then again you could abuse this by op.gg'ing teammates then banning their declared champion once you see it looks like a loss. they can see this as well and just bite the bullet. in either case though ban > pick.
no, because the penalty would be on them. You can also wintrade, buy boosts, script.... Isolate and exceptionnal abuses are preferable to constant trolling
: > [{quoted}](name=cTJay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A5ZJonzE,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-25T17:42:32.675+0000) > > It's all in the title. Obviously I'm talking about the situation where you already picked it. > Why is it even allowed? It's clearly a violation of the summoner's code. Of course it wouldn't be allowed withing premades, and might need tweaks in higher elo, but it seems a pretty good solution until diamond Not anyone else's fault you're a one trick. Even Trick2G plays more than Udyr well.
Learn to read, never said I was a one trick. Not your business anyway. It's your fault if you're trying to derail a topic, and it's not working.
: It's not against the summoners code and Riot has stated this many times. I can't find be bothered to find the posts but this isn't the first thread of its kind and I doubt it will be the last. As for a free dodge... I doubt it will happen. People will bait with troll intent picks like showing Yuumi in a lane or something, if they don't get a desired role or something. So it seems really abusable.
of course it is : **1)Support Your Team 4)Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense** 5)Build Relationships 6)Be Resolute, not Indignant 9)Lead by Example It's a much more serious offense than flaming https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/
Kanzler (NA)
: Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.
my idea is perfect, why you like to spread toxicity? It's simple, "be a decen human being", you know?
: Your teammates have the right to ban your hovered/intended pick if they have reason to believe you intend on trolling, or if your pick compromises the team composition in a way that would most likely result in a loss.
no they don't lol, don't speak and spread nonsense when you have no clue
Rioter Comments
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=cTJay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VozpkN1J,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-25T02:23:46.817+0000) > > Funny how people will spam "just be a decent human being, don't be toxic", and then feel totally fine with banning their teammate"s champion. Hypocrisy at its worst. > Personally, you ban my champ, you get a loss. Unless you convince me it was an accident. The best part about this is how many people defend trolls and griefers and people who afk or rage quit all the time... and then talk about how terrible it is to say a naughty word in chat and how you should be banned... and then immediately say that the perfect defense is just mute them... Yet, if that solves all the problems, why should they be banned? The level of doublethink required to exist this way is hilarious. Or, more likely, hypocrisy is what it is. Either way, I am not sure how easy it would be to balance doing this. However, there is a clear indicator that the champion has been selected by a teammate. Penalties should be issued for this.
https://i.ibb.co/F707Pt3/high-iq.jpg
Saezio (EUNE)
: Having more than 1 champ in your champ pool equals no backbone okay mate. I guess you also flame flamers and think you are somehow "defending yourself". xD
Look who needs to bend points completely backward xD probably not the only thing u re bending
Saezio (EUNE)
: If someone is pissed off by that chances are they would sooner or later be pissed off about something might as well get it over with from the get go. It's one champ, there are 144 others to pick from.
yeah, I guess having a backbone is so overrated xD but I'm glad you take it that way, your allies will know they can take your farm ("it's just 10 creeps, there are 1500 others") and tell you how to play in the lobby, just to "get it over with"
cTJay (EUW)
: free dodge when strangers ban your champ
Funny how people will spam "just be a decent human being, don't be toxic", and then feel totally fine with banning their teammate"s champion. Hypocrisy at its worst. Personally, you ban my champ, you get a loss. Unless you convince me it was an accident.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Banning a champion you don't want to play against _OR WITH_ is a perfectly good reason to ban.
Yeah it's a great idea to piss off your allies before the game even started, and to deny them the tool they feel most confident with. Smartest strategy ever.
Nhika (NA)
: 1000+ champions And you really can't live with 1 ban? lol
not sure what game you're playing, and who can't live with 1 ban, but on this account I have like 30 champs and, in bronze, there's only a handful of champions I want to play. Even if I had all champs, I'm not playing with someone who abuses its ban to deny me the champion I wanted to play. Troll 100% of the time.
: if you can only play ONE champion then you shouldn't be playing ranked at all
Obviously. Now back to the topic, which is : if your team bans the champ you selected, you should be allowed to dodge without penalty, where nobody said they could play one champ only
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=cTJay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u6dbBd4n,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2019-05-22T17:06:27.521+0000) > > and that means the system is only balanced for riot. Which is stupid af. no? i actually even made a blunder league is a negative sum game due to leavers and dodging the only case that lp in the system increases is in the case of loss prevented but the occurrence is so low that it's irrelevant compared to the lp losses due to leavers and dodging ie Riot inputs an arbitrary number of Lp/mmr in the system on a ranked reset and then everyone fights for those points and constantly lp/mmr is lost due to leavers and dodging ie if IF a season runs for long enough the average elo of the player base WILL decrease the 1600 lp challenger at season start will end at 1300 for example if he kept a positive 55% win rate the numbers are for illustration purpose this isn't some evil plan by riot it's how any elo system works
: Pretty sure this is just you. It's harder than it used to be to climb in low elo as a smurf, but if you're good enough you will still climb. You're playing with bronze and silvers, of course they're going to feed.
good enough for? Hacking the jungler's pc to force him gank a lane that has been pushed for 6 minutes? xD
: whats wrong with ranked is people surrendering aka hoping for an easy game. Even if it looks like you are losing you have a chance to win and even if you do lose anyway you learn more from playing out the game and thus increase chances of winning other games than just surrendering and moving to the next game where you learn nothing. *plz rito god give us matchmaking that takes into account how much people surrender* Smurfing is also a problem immagine crying that the park that you go to is dirty as fuck then taking your weekly trash to spread around that same park. Same thing with smurfing you cry your que times are too long so you leave the elo to play in a lower elo adding to the problem
and you can't control whether your allies give up
Kai Guy (NA)
: " 15 win streak the other day, 10 losses now" https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=cTJay Its now clear to me why you think 5X9=95. You need assistance with basic addition.
k interesting conversation you're havnig with yourself
mack9112 (NA)
: You play rumble bot and go 2/12... lol
lol I dont, I go 12/2
: > [{quoted}](name=cTJay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u6dbBd4n,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T15:38:05.830+0000) > > Got a 15 win streak the other day, 10 losses now, while playing better. The only thing it proves is the system is not working at all. > unranked is high silver. > > correct, so I started playing yi and carried. But I hate this type of champ and if you cant hope to win without 1v9 that means the game has a big problem > > > also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOSyWvIVpE incorrect thats how the system works in any 0 sum game
and that means the system is only balanced for riot. Which is stupid af.
: https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=poooinlooo my games both disprove and prove your claims my games also show that you are very likely playing champions you can't carry with try harder
Got a 15 win streak the other day, 10 losses now, while playing better. The only thing it proves is the system is not working at all. unranked is high silver. > [{quoted}](name=Ornndyr2k19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u6dbBd4n,comment- >t you are very likely playing champions you can't carry with correct, so I started playing yi and carried. But I hate this type of champ and if you cant hope to win without 1v9 that means the game has a big problem also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOSyWvIVpE
Rioter Comments
Kai Guy (NA)
: So... Basic multiplication is geeky now? Just own that your math is weak.
ok lurker I'm happy for you but... Your favorite topic has nothing to do with this one.
: So what do you want explained
why do I get those guys in my team always
Kai Guy (NA)
: Because if your claim is 5% then there is only impact off other players to decide a match?
I've already replied you 3 times so not gonna do it everywhere u follow me on lol
Kai Guy (NA)
: 5 X 10 = 50. Thus 5% multiplied by 10 players makes for 50%. Wheres the rest of the % impact on a game if any 1 player can only create 5%? What point has anybody missed here exactly? Your bad at math? That shows, no one responding has missed this.
smh that's the problem with geeks, they always try to bring the conversation to the one single topic they know...
Kai Guy (NA)
: ", I managed to carry" Oh so you won the game... wait.. "Then zed decided it was his moment, and had the genius idea to split push top, a lane where all towers were intact, while their entire (leading) team was doing elder. I mean, there's so much a single human can carry." Oh my. Sounds like your placing the blame on Zed for being the straw that broke the camels back. Sorry if you feel I misrepresented your words. Was not trying to do that... just you know.. really sounded to me like you made the claim you carried up to the point your Zed lost it for you. Was my math wrong for the on paper odds here? Feel free to make any excuses you want. Label me anything you wish. If you cant debate the math I provided then its fine. But hey.. mr 1 player can only make 5% impact...I get why you might want to shy away from actual math discussions given how You basically suck at math.
oh geez why whine like this, just look at yourself and realize you were completely off point, you'll improve faster...
: Yep. He was gold for several seasons. Made masters this season. I think he's currently D4.
> [{quoted}](name=Morgana Dominus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eHkfBGXA,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T05:38:58.764+0000) > >I think he's currently D4. ROFL "it's not a random game"
: > [{quoted}](name=cTJay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OzBBmpfh,comment-id=000200000001000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T05:29:11.855+0000) > > no lol. Faker and kevin.durand8736 first game don't have the same odds at winning xD > But that's irrelevant, you totally missed the point. ofc I missed the point... very easy to do when there is no point. Also FAKER WOULD ALSO HAVE 5% impact on his games! you cannot throw numbers and change them to whatever pleases you. You cannot say "you have 5% impact on your games" and then say "but this other dude doesn't! why? just cuz!" you have no point, you have nothing to back up ANYTHING you say and you just keep spewing numbers like they mean anything. I'll say it again, go and look at the definition of "sophism" since you like using that word. You are a clear example of the word itself
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OzBBmpfh,comment-id=0002000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T05:38:36.785+0000) > > ofc I missed the point... very easy to do when there is no point. imagine missing such a simple point. No wonder you're so frustrated xD
Rioter Comments
Myrmiron (EUW)
: I'm playing this game for >a decade by now and I found that the closer you climb to your actual skill level the harder games will get and the more you'll feel at the mercy of your teammates. If you wish to climb further you can try to hope for luck or actually get better and then climb again until you meet players who're on your skill level again.
would be nice if it worked that way but I've been playing way better than my elo for a while and never climbed at all. I've stayed the exact same elo forever. I'm outplaying every single opponent, I know exactly what to do, but it changes absolutely nothing, since the deadweights won't even simply follow.
: > [{quoted}](name=cTJay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OzBBmpfh,comment-id=0002000000010001,timestamp=2019-05-21T05:04:22.739+0000) > > wrong premises, that's called a sophism; this is why you guys are wrong so often because you like throwing random numbers without knowing how odds even work? if you always only have a 5% impact on the outcome of the game then EVERY OTHER PLAYER ALSO HAS THE EXACT SAME ODDS! You like using words normal people don't use as a vain attempt to sound smarter than you actually are. Using your own logic that means that every single player has next to no impact in the game which means that they should then be able to screw around doing nothing and everything would be exactly the same in the vast majority of situations. You literally are telling us that all players combined only have a 50% impact on the game so where does the other 50% comes from? why do players have such little impact on the outcome of the game? you have said absolutely nothing and expect people to believe whatever you say at face value. I think you need to actually look at the definition of "sophism" instead of throwing it at random
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OzBBmpfh,comment-id=00020000000100010000,timestamp=2019-05-21T05:20:09.866+0000) > >if you always only have a 5% impact on the outcome of the game then EVERY OTHER PLAYER ALSO HAS THE EXACT SAME ODDS! no lol. Faker and kevin.durand8736 first game don't have the same odds at winning xD But that's irrelevant, you totally missed the point.
Arigatowo (EUW)
: Imagine people not playing like challengers every game. Unthinkable. No one can or should have bad games and it's okay for me to flame them, because if I tell them they're playing super bad they'll probably instantly become pro players. Like, I am always playing like that, so why can't others? Like.. sure I die sometimes, but that's because that one minion did this or I just didn't kill the ward in time man. Not my fault.. It just didn't want to die out of itself even though I know how long my AA takes. So despite me seeing that enemy rolling up on me I stood there and died. But again, ward's fault. Because, obviously, I am the best player alive and don't make mistakes. And if I do make a mistake it is *also* partially someone else's fault, so not really mine y'know. Well sometimes I do make mistakes or a mechanical misplay, but that shouldn't cost us the game right? Well sure I might flame my allies for making such mistakes but uhh uhh h wiufejkkgnekgjbeg Fucking hell people stop flaming everything and start flaming yourself. If you're not able to win it's because you're worse for a number of reason. Even if they have smurfs, you still made mistakes which cost you the game. If those mistakes are due to your inexperience or incompetence then work on that. Yeah sure maybe you could've won if there weren't any smurfs, but that's just an excuse to cover up for your mistakes. You all shouldn't be so fixated on winning but on playing the game to the best of your ability. If that isn't enough, it isn't enough and you should get better. Also flaming people never works. Sure you can get a bit frustrated, which is ok till some extent, but try to keep that frustration in relation to constructive arguments, meaning: that what you're saying has a purpose other than to make everyone feel like shit. i.e (you're on bottom lane with a passive adc) "Hey dude, we have a lot of chances to go in, but you're not capitalizing, you should probably do that". That's an ok way to vent your frustration, so long you don't let it escalate to a toxic conversation and make your intentions clear: "I am not flaming you or anything, but I think this is what we should do to win the game, if you think otherwise then there's nothing I can do". This is just an example of course and however you make your sentences differ per scenario, but I feel like this makes my point clear: Stop being whiny pampered little brats, and only use your voice if there is a point to it other than harm.
> [{quoted}](name=Atr4ssius,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eHkfBGXA,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-05-20T10:21:29.812+0000) > Imagine people not playing like challengers every game. Unthinkable. Imagine people playing like shit every single game. The issue isn't the players... Teams are bound to be unbalanced, humans will tilt, int, afk, ruin games. It's normal. What differenciates a good from a bad online game, is how it deals with the consequences. When I play well, I should be rewarded, even if I get a team full of uncarryable r%%%%%s who trash the game. When I play badly, I should be punished, even if I'm paired with 4 guys from SKT who make my team win 20/0 at min 8. League of legends completely fails in this regard.
: There are incorrectly ranked players all throughout the ladder. There are a lot of people who got very lucky early on in the season and managed to climb up about a tier higher than they actually belong. This has lead to a massive reduction in the quality of games. On my own flist I have: * 7 people who I've played with since season 2 who were platinum with me. They're now mid diamond. They haven't improved as players. * A friend who was gold 1 and was masters this season. * Plat 2 friend who is currently diamond 1 * Several silver friends who are now high gold. I've been platinum/gold every season since season 1. Platinum and gold do not feel like platinum and gold anymore. Gold players int their asses off. It's basically the new bronze/silver. Platinum is just full of shit heads who are bad at the game, but they don't really hard int . They die twice in lane, blame the jungler, and afk. So you know, basically season 1-8 platinum but with the skill of silvers.
> [{quoted}](name=Morgana Dominus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eHkfBGXA,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-05-20T23:15:17.169+0000) > * A friend who was gold 1 and was masters this season. wut
Kai Guy (NA)
: 10 slots. Worst player decides a game? If that's not you... 9 slots remaining. 4 your side. 5 theirs. So what. 61.11% vs 39.99% odds your team will not have a game losing player on it. Are there games you cant win or games that are free wins? Hell yes. Is this a surprise? Not at all. See, its not actually purly random, its random in a range. Dead weight is always dead weight. if that's you it shows up in your ability to win. A strong player compaired to the range they are in IS ALWAYS STRONG. This is the baises of MMR. You cant claim its no skill but your teammates and enemys skill matters. Plus... We have historic data on this. Purchased accounts sink like a stone and high MMR smurfs crush lower mmr players. Players can climb to higher MMR ranges consistently. You call that luck? Need me to google the definition of luck for you?
> [{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OzBBmpfh,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T09:16:05.059+0000) > > Worst player decides a game? No. Oh wait, were you trying to make me say something? Fallacy, which is why you guys are so often wrong. So I didn't read the rest and went straight to the end > Need me to google the definition of luck for you? obviously not, why would I rely on a sophist to provide me informations?
: Exactly Each player has a 5% impact Meaning there is 50% that doesnt depend on the players Where does that 50% come from
> [{quoted}](name=Cind3rkick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OzBBmpfh,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-05-20T11:28:27.426+0000) > Each player has a 5% impact wrong premises, that's called a sophism; this is why you guys are wrong so often
Kai Guy (NA)
: Why exactly do the other 9 players result in 95%?
: It could be possible if damage were not to high and there would be good items to heal. Time ago, you would be able to buy the flask and few many potions to regen enough to survive the lane. Ofc it was abusable, but was balanced because melees were able to survive versus hard macthups as rangeds champions.
it *is* still possible, you can manage to farm with trynda or darius against a karma or velkoz, but it's just stupidly frustrating... A game isn't supposed to be a torture, it's supposed to be fun, even in ranked...
: > [{quoted}](name=cTJay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OzBBmpfh,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T07:01:04.051+0000) > > if you can't do both, you're not in a position to talk about psychology Didn't say that it's not possible, but people like to opt in to the easy solution, which tends to be more complaining and less accepting. (I do complain quite a bit about the game myself)
Accepting what? That matchmaking is so bad that you either win without effort, or lose whatever you do? Pretty sure I've acceoted that already. I try everything possible; last game, trollpick kog top had been inting the entire game, jung kindred completely ignored my bot lane while hecarim was constantely camping, with viktor occasionally roaming because zed didn't bother keeping him in check. Nevertheless, I managed to carry, with TWICE more damage than anyone else in the game. Then zed decided it was his moment, and had the genius idea to split push top, a lane where all towers were intact, while their entire (leading) team was doing elder. I mean, there's so much a single human can carry.
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