: Yes, if you asked me to back it up. But you came at me with your OWN CLAIMS and declared that I am wrong unless I can prove YOUR claims are wrong, once I asked to prove your claims have any validity.
: Is this a joke? You refuted my claim with a claim of your own. There is just as much a burden on you to prove your claim. Your claims don't automatically prove me wrong unless I prove your claims wrong, you still have the burden of proof for your own claims. It must be nice to fancy oneself so intelligent yet still not understand his own quotes he dishes out to build himself up.
Refuting something by pointing out that it goes against accepted facts, is not a claim. If you state that gravity is a repelling force, and I point out that you still fall flat on your face when you jump off a cliff, that's not a claim. Sorry, but I really see no need to waste any more time on you.
: I mean seriously, this is so beyond the pale. You come out with claims of your own to disprove my claim, and then say I have to prove YOUR claims are wrong? Haha what a joke. You are a total joke.
You made the initial claim. The burden of proof is thus on you. Stating that something is wrong because it doesn't add up to the accepted facts, is not a claim, it's simply pointing out facts during falsification. If you don't even have that basic understanding of discussions and arguments, I see no need to waste more time on you. You are a perfect example of why the League playerbase has its bad image.
: Great, show me your evidence to support your claims. Where is your evidence to support that all a game needs to grow or sustain is easy of use and to be free? I will wait while you try to find anything to prove this point.
>show me your evidence to support your claims. Do you understand the principle of *Onus Probandii* my friend? If not, I shall teach you. Repeat after me: *"Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat!"* **"The burden of proof lies with him who makes a claim, not with with those refuting it."** It means: Me saying "You are wrong" requires no proof. YOU have to prove that you are right, to me!. This is a basic principle in both science, and juris in the entire western world.
: Also, streaming is becoming more popular, and people want to be relevant. If their favorite streamer drops league and picks up a different MOBA, what do you think is going to happen?
>If their favorite streamer drops league and picks up a different MOBA, what do you think is going to happen? They will of course, immediately drop the game they invested a lot of money and time into, which is also played by all their friends. There is no flaw whatsoever in that logic of yours, because people are not actually habit-driven, RoI considering, social creatures, but remote controlled flesh-drones, which are controlled by whatever streamer you idolize, and live to facilitate whatever version of reality most suits your dreams. ------ Meanwhile, just a few km outside Fantasyland, you still presented... #no evidence whatsoever ...for your claims that this game is supposedly dying or something. Its getting so embarrassingly easy to shut your posts down, I am starting to use comedic sarcasm to do so.
: I read and understood them. Permanent chat band DO NOT create toxic behavior. The trolls and inters who are permanently chat banned cause it. And they should be treated as trolls/inters, so they will get banned. I think you are the one who does not understand it... So you enjoy a game less if you have to press 1 more button? I feel bad for you then.
You can write "the sun is cold" as often as you want, and in all caps if you must, it will not make it true.
: Because they did not ruin any game in the first place. Flaming has no gameplay effect. But if this is your problem you could just remove the 2 week ban before the perma and replace it with the permanent chat ban. So you need the same amount of "steps" to reach the permanent ban from game.
>Flaming has no gameplay effect. I enjoy the game less if there is a flamer, so yes, it does. >But if this is your problem you could just remove the 2 week ban before the perma and replace it with the permanent chat ban. Did you not read the above posts, or did you not understand them? Permanent chat bans CREATE toxic behavior, they don't prevent it.
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lEnIPAQT,comment-id=00020001000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-30T07:49:38.600+0000) > > Your answer shows your above posts were just empty bravado and blustering. a) because you did not rise to the challenge, even though it was an easy one, b) because now you flee into petty insults. > > They would not be generated in the first place if you knew what you were doing. > > I just did. Not creating any false positives while performing that analysis is sheer impossible, and any person with a little knowledge in statistics will confirm that to you. Creating the perfect system that doesn't let any false positives through is fiction, kid. That's why you have another process to exclude them in an analytical manner. All you did is show that you either: a) love to play with trolls and don't want a system to detect them b) are a troll yourself and don't want to be detected c) just want to be a douche on the boards that tries to discuss something out of their league, for the pure wicked enjoyment you get out of it (?) Either way, I don't care if it's a, b, or c, I have no desire to further discuss this with you, while you hide under the cloak of anonymity. You may have the last word kiddo, if you wish to do so. Get one more kick out of it if that's what you need <3
You disqualify yourself by using petty insults, faulty assumptions and weak attempts to belittle your betters. No one takes you seriously.
: So what? If you int or troll you get banned. Don't you?
And why would riot give people, who have already proven to be irredeemably toxic, the chance to ruin yet some more games before finally removing them?
: Source?
If you think I will dig through google regarding a change in the punishment system that was implemented in 2015, just because a random guy on the internet can't be bothered to do it himself and posts a single word with an attached question mark instead, you are mistaken. Google for "2015 chat restriction change" and sift through the results yourself.
: One thing the majority of this sub disagrees with.
Also: This is not a sub, because this is not reddit.
: Riot, I bet people would be less toxic if you showed them less stuff to flame about
>people would be less toxic if you showed them less stuff to flame about By that logic, we should ban all luxury goods, all expensive articles of clothing, and immediately close down every fancy restaurant, so people no longer rob banks.
: Punishment Calculations
>After the game, I was sure I would get the instant feedback message, but to my surprise I didn't. After I sent my Photo to Scarlett Johanson, I was sure I would get a Date with her, but to my surprise, I didn't.
: Permanent ban for CHAT offense? WHY?
>If your offense is chat related why aren't you simply muted? Because that has been tried in the past. And as it turned out, people who want to be toxic in chat, but no longer can, turn to other ways to ruin their teams game (inting, afk, trolling, etc.).
: > [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=isxoE0rO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-30T09:37:15.082+0000) > > {{champion:86}} is a blustering, ridiculous buffoon, no one in his right mind would ever present as an example or commander someone didnt read garens lore.
Someone shouldn't take posts which crack jokes about Trundle being a Troll too serious ;-) And don't worry about me being a hater...on the contrary, I love Garen, precisely BECAUSE hes a blustering, ridiculous buffoon :-)
: Is League of Legends dying?? Losing players??
Dyrus knows how to play League. Dyrus does not know statistical mathematics, customer auditing, business reporting, revenue analysis. Don't overestimate your favorite streamers.
: Fiora Is NOT a Duelist
{{champion:122}} is not a hand. {{champion:75}} is not a demi-god. {{champion:82}} is a squishy caster, even though hes literally encased in metal armor head-to-heel. {{champion:35}} is a maniac who likes to stab people, not a Demon {{champion:48}} doesn't run down lanes writing *"XAXAXXAXAXXAXAXXA!"* in /all {{champion:8}} can't seduce and turn Ahri, no matter how hard I try to imagine it {{champion:11}} smacks people with his sword like it's club, even though hes supposed to be a martial arts master. {{champion:267}} swims through Air for some reason {{champion:53}} is about as "well meaning" and "great hearted" as the devil the day someone ran over his dog {{champion:86}} is a blustering, ridiculous buffoon, no one in his right mind would ever present as an example or commander {{champion:42}} 's flying machine is apparently unable to do more than hover slightly above ground level {{champion:96}} cannot devour anything {{champion:89}} supposedly is a "warrior", and does about as much damage as a piece of wet soap. ---- Champions name, lore and description seldomly match their ingame representation.
: > [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6r9HYAiO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-30T08:56:48.251+0000) > > That pop up only shows up if your report was the one that triggered the actual punishment. So not seeing the popup, is no proof of the system not working as intended. > > Only to people who don't know how it works. I can't agree with that. I know Riots system very well, and the way it punishes, or rather doesn't punish, things outside of chat is indeed a joke.
>I can't agree with that. It doesn't matter what you agree with, everything I wrote is factually correct. If you don't agree with gravity, you will still fall down if you jump off a cliff. >the way it punishes, or rather doesn't punish, things outside of chat is indeed a joke. I happen to agree with that sentiment. However, OP was talking about something that DID occur in chat.
Fìzž (NA)
: Checked his op.gg and he was still playing after spamming hate speech that hard as well, so what gives?
Reports do not lead to instant bans. They flag accounts for automated checks. Actual bans, especially severe ones like those issued for permabans, also require a MANUAL AUDIT by a riot official. That doesn't happen the moment some guy on the internet presses a button, you know.
: > [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WQqdLA8P,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-30T08:34:19.625+0000) > > Tell me, if I told you that your shirt looks like something an autistic retard would wear, would you see my insult directed towards you or your shirt? > > Also, you are guilty of report-calling, which is an absolute no-no anyway. To be fair they wanted to report me when I wasnt doing anything to them but they were 0/5 both of them spamming FF on chat and insulting me so I just reverse it to them, but you are right about asking for reports
The misbehavior of others doesn't excuse your own, sorry. I understand the need to "punch back", trust me, my own track record is far from spotless. But it isn't a suitable method to resolve the situation in this game. If someone is toxic, mute them, report them. It doesn't give you the instant satisfaction of "standing up for yourself", true. But it will lead to their accounts being punished. And that's what matters.
: cursing in game?
As long as you don't use curses as an insult, or spam them all over again, its no problem. This is a competitive ESports game with adrenalin and emotions running hot, not a broadway showing of "My little pony" ;-)
Fìzž (NA)
: Report system is a joke.
>no pop up saying anything happened That pop up only shows up if your report was the one that triggered the actual punishment. So not seeing the popup, is no proof of the system not working as intended. >Report system seems to be a joke. Only to people who don't know how it works.
5050BS (NA)
: They do. Just look at that Master/Challenger Jenson who was CAUGHT DOSSing games and they let him back. He was CHEATING and they said "ok" you can play again.
You are spreading misinformation. Not a single one of Jensens Accounts was unbanned. All his old accounts are still banned, and will remain so. What was lifted was his PERSONAL LOCKOUT from league tournaments. He was forbidden, not as an account, but as a PERSON, to participate in professional play. That ban, that lockout, was lifted...but he still had to level and play new accounts. Permanent bans on accounts are never lifted, unless they were issued by mistake.
SEKAI (OCE)
: Salty and flaming players AND trolls and griefers are BOTH toxic. I utterly fail to see what you're trying to do here. So you want Riot to ban trolls and griefers for being toxic (which they do btw), but then turn around and say it's clearly okay to be toxic as long as it's in chat? Hilarious.
~~I am pretty sure that's not what he meant, he simply couldn't accurately frame his thoughts due to his language skills.~~ ~~I could be wrong of course, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially if there is a language barrier.~~ edit: nvm. you were right, that was exactly how he meant it. I stand corrected.
XstnrX (EUNE)
: My "opinion"
>Riot why dont you fix the ban system for griefers and trolls Simple: A flamer is relatively easy to detect. You just need to run the chat-logs against a list of "bad words", and you get a good idea of who did what. Lets say I decide, mid game, to troll you, and run into a turret...how do you detect that automatically? How do you differentiate between me doing that on purpose and someone who simply plays badly? The core issue here is: People usually play badly not because they troll...in 99% of games, people play badly because they, well, are bad at the game ;-) And being a bad player is not something you can punish people for (well, unless you consider bronze a punishment ^^). Writing software that can detect trolls, while not falsely punishing bad players as well, is a non-trivial problem.
: Is this enough to get chat restricted?
>that was'nt directed to them but toward the champion. Tell me, if I told you that your shirt looks like something an autistic retard would wear, would you see my insult directed towards you or your shirt? Also, you are guilty of report-calling, which is an absolute no-no anyway.
SPenjoy (NA)
: Banned by angry duo-que, yet again
>Now if you get in an argument with a duo que You get banned if you get into an argument with a solo player too. This is a videogame, not an outlet-mechanism for peoples suppressed anger-issues. If someone annoys you, mute and report them, don't flame back. >and they both report you because they don't like how you played or you didn't gank their lane If you are reported without flaming in chat, nothing happens, regardless how many people reported you. False reports are filtered automatically.
: The millions of casual players wont be attracted to game that is not RELEVANT. If the streamers and youtubers stop playing, its not as interesting to play the game. Do you not understand this? Riot is a business. So what? Do you know how many businesses make decisions that seem good and end up sinking the company? Blockbuster Video, Sega....happens alllll the time. They aren't gods, they are just people.
>wont be attracted to game that is not RELEVANT A game is not made relevant solely by the streamers, whose influence you seem to overestimate hilariously. The biggest pull factors to any videogame are: * Cost (F2P games without pay2win mechanic are attractive to customers) * Convenience (games which do not require you to play daily but are playable in short enclosed sessions) * Peer pressure (I play what my friends at school/work play) And with competitive games * attractiveness and accessibility of ESports Events Streamers play a role in that, yes, but a minor one, compared to the big ones. ----- But even ignoring all that, there is one critical flaw in your "argument" that blows it out of the water completely: **You have no proof, no numbers, nothing, to back up your claims.** So any discussion about whether or not your point about streamers is correct or not, is moot anyway, because you have no argument.
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lEnIPAQT,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2018-07-29T07:44:41.984+0000) > > True, because a coding monkey knows how to code. > > That&#x27;s like saying I can&#x27;t draw with crayons. > > And I will give you the same courtesy, and pick apart your &quot;solution&quot;: > > What you propose is something a person who knows how to code, would call **sampling**. I understand why that is your proposed approach, because, hey, lets face it, taking all the available data into account, for example by calculating heat-map-similarity, sounds very hard to do for someone like you, who never coded anything even close to the problem at hand (or is at all capable of doing so). > > Such sampling would produce a hillarious number of false positives (jungler, who regularly starts at base, goes into jungle, reappears in lane to gank == RAN DOWN THE LANE ZOMFG FEEDER!) and would be super easy to manipulate if I were to troll...simply stay in base for a while, and the average is kaputt. > > ...fail absolutely. Congratulations, you got an F. Student may return to his seat now. oh god, you're one of those entitled kids who wrote a little Python script at home and think they can program now, and want to be all buff on the internet to prove something they're not. I'm not going to exchange arguments with some anonymous kid online about something neither you nor I can prove. Your answer shows you have no idea how this would even remotely work. False positives from the jungle could easily be excluded. If you really want to compare, add me in game and we'll talk about it my friend, this here leads to nothing, because neither me, nor you can prove the other wrong.
>Your answer shows you have no idea how this would even remotely work. Your answer shows your above posts were just empty bravado and blustering. a) because you did not rise to the challenge, even though it was an easy one, b) because now you flee into petty insults. >False positives from the jungle could easily be excluded. They would not be generated in the first place if you knew what you were doing. >because neither me, nor you can prove the other wrong. I just did.
: btw hte first sentence is just me quoting g-easy song i mean it,for shits and giggles
No one cares. Glad you got banned. Good riddance.
: > [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LTxighB5,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-29T09:24:52.257+0000) > > presentable drawing it really doesn't have to have any semblance of quality at all, it just has to be original
brb, gotta smear ink on my face and slam it really hard on a piece of paper
RIP TSM (NA)
: Flat Eath believers are pretty much on the stupid spectrum
So is everyone whos sole "argument" for his statements is _"That's my opinion"._ The fact that opinion is put on a pedestral rivaling fact in your media and public discourse, is part of the reason for the political "leadership" your country currently suffers.
: I've checked and im still correct.but how the hell im i sopose to show you?is it possible to link it? I don't even know how to link on phone,lol
You don't know how to copypaste an URL on your own phone? Wow. Come back and resume talking to me, when you have mastered basic living skills.
TripoIis (EUNE)
: That's why I hate LoL community, because they look like a deaf wall, not listening to anyone or anything... The rest of the comments are about Darius who I didn't even blame, Brand was the stupid one who was blaming everyone in the game but not himself. Even so, TrikzterzArma, Darius passive wasn't seen on the blue to last hit correctly, and I am not a jungler main but only jungle was left. You are the typical guys who is like: "nah I've got to gold elo now and I am like a challenger player so if I say something it's sacrosanct and my words cannot be countered by any other opinion." The rest of you living in denial with insecurities and with low self-esteem, that's why you think you are such clever people that can explain everything even if it has no real explanation, but you do explain it with non-real reasons.
That's why we hate self-righteous little toxic flamers, because they are so full of themselves that they no longer even realize when they are annoying others. Do us a favor: Accept the deserved ban with whatever is left of your dignity, and stop posting, ty.
: > TripoIis: I CANT JUNGLE? TripoIis: ok bro xDD TripoIis: tell ur friend darius that next time not to take my blue at level 1 > > TripoIis: i dont really care dar TripoIis: just brand provocating me Arguing and bickering with teammates... > TripoIis: I cant play jungle xd TripoIis: but u cant play mid Insults, and petty continuation of an argument... > TripoIis: i am reported for killing an enemy TripoIis: than u are reported for assisting enemy Threatening to report, still visibly being extremely petty... > TripoIis: ty brand TripoIis: for losing the game TripoIis: xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD TripoIis: what a skillful player TripoIis: totally not bronze TripoIis: XDDD TripoIis: he is an ap mage :D TripoIis: XD TripoIis: learn to 1v1 More pointless insults, and blaming a teammate. You didn't get banned for "literally no reason". You got banned for being negative and keeping up some petty shit-flinging contest with a teammate.
Thank you for saving me the effort of writing exactly that post =) Job well done! {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: Just know that if you meet them face to face, you'll actually be able to punch them in the teeth and make them wail and cry while calling for mom. Why? Reason # 1: 13 year olds tend to do that when you punch them. Reason # 2: You cannot expect much of a physical fight from a guy who doesn't move much and lives only on soda and fastfood.
>You cannot expect much of a physical fight from a guy who doesn't move much and lives only on soda and fastfood. I don't know, the ample body fat of his wobbly cheeks may bounce your fist right back to the sender ;-)
dzokata (EUNE)
: "GG EZ game EZ life", a disease of the Community?
>What are your opinions about it? That you should work on your Ego, if the comments of random 12 year olds in an online game are capable of upsetting you in such a manner. Report them and move on.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IuPRJcVM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-29T09:07:08.595+0000) > > So the fact that you were able to expand your skillset, and find success with it, thus making you a better and more versatile player makes you sad and depressed? > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} Being good in a role doesn't mean you "enjoy" it.
Congratulations on a redundant post: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/IuPRJcVM-because-of-the-adc-change-im-playing-midlane-now?comment=00000000
: I never based NA player behavior as the whole community tho,I only did that when you replied to me,but I've deleted it since I fucked up.it doesn't show CURRENTLY that NA player behavior is flooded with anti toxicity post,because players are starting to get more trolls and inters because the state of the game.but I've lurked in player behavior for months and seen a lot of anti toxicity post.
>it doesn't show CURRENTLY Then here is a proposition: Board posts don't get deleted over time, you can literally go all the way back to the first posts ever written here, and check them out. So if you think the data available supports your point of view, then by all means, go back through the logs and show me. I will be right here, waiting.
: Maybe because I assume it's known by everyone as the WWII ? >actually do what you suggest I do, and actually find evidence supporting your opinion, you don't convince anyone And i'm not a dog, you can also ask with a "please" maybe it's too much for you
>And i'm not a dog, you can also ask with a "please" maybe it's too much for you Why should I ask politely for something that I neither want, and the delivery of which would be of no benefit to me at all?
: I don’t think anyone could run that many bots like that, the last time I’ve seen bots in a PVP game was world of Warcraft, and that was just to farm and mine, and even that was 1 bot at a time.
>I don’t think anyone could run that many bots like that Then you are frighteningly naive.
: You want some ? go back in time and see from what were made the post on the boards (Don't search the board was filled about tank dammage and how many hit they could take before falling, season 4 was the one with the assassins) Now have fun searching far in the past (ho and if you want you can also check on sites like league of graphs etc which class had the biggest winrate and thus were dominating and also their popularity)
>Now have fun searching far in the past Why should I bother when you don't? I stand by my statement. Until you don't make the effort and actually do what you suggest I do, and actually find evidence supporting your opinion, you don't convince anyone.
: season 5 ? you sure don't remember buddy, it was the worse meta to try to play assassins
So I present an argument bare of any proof. You present an argument bare of any proof. Who wins? Nobody. Nice exercise in futility.
: Make it so you can force interact by for instace using left click
Disagreeing, because clicking the correct hitbox is a measure of skill. Implementing a mechanic that takes this out of players hands, would thus lower the skill ceiling and make for a worse overall game.
: How is it irrelevant, Lol they were on the same team and same game I was in?
IS this a punishment for your actions or theirs?
: Look man I don't have that type of skill where I can alt+tab and talk into a chat to my friend then alt+tab back in the game and defend my lane. I don't have the money to buy 5 more monitors where I can see my garage, my back yard, the kitchen, the bathroom and the league client where I can individually click on everyone's name and type to them. The reality is I'm stuck in game where I can hear my friends through this voice chat and I can't type what I want to say to them without players believing that I'm some type of criminal that's going to find their house and draw a smiley face on their front door with a crayola marker. I don't have any speeding tickets never got one ever (Knocking on wood). This game was 12 days old, Out of all the games I played in the past where I was actually being toxic in solo que. Even better question, Why can't I see the time stamps when I was typing? Why can't I see the other players who were typing as well?
>Look man I don't have that type of skill That's not riots problem, and not the other 2 guys who you annoyed with your messages problem either. >Why can't I see the time stamps where I was typing Because they are irrelevant >why can't I see the other players who were typing as well? Because this is about your actions, not theirs
: Drawing for rp
You get my upvote, but consider this: 2 rp is what, about 0.05 cents in cash? Minimum wage in the US: 7.25 USD/h (according to google) Time it takes to make a presentable drawing: Definitely longer than 30min Idk, that doesn't look like sound financial strategy to me...
: WILL NOT REPLY
WILL NOT READ Because wall of unformatted text is an insult to my eyes.
Glîtchy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IuPRJcVM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-29T09:07:08.595+0000) > > So the fact that you were able to expand your skillset, and find success with it, thus making you a better and more versatile player makes you sad and depressed? > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} Just because you do good in a role, doesn't mean you enjoy it
Then play something else? If "I enjoy this role" has a higher priority for you than "I do well in this role", then there is no need to force yourself to play the role where you do better anyway.
: Because of the ADC change I'm playing midlane now...
>Makes me sad... and depressed... So the fact that you were able to expand your skillset, and find success with it, thus making you a better and more versatile player makes you sad and depressed? {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
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