: 10 years langue of legends
Riot isn't "fixing" it, because this is how it is supposed to work.... The guy in the video **starts the game **by immidiatly trying to rally others to report someone. Then some more blaming, spamming ff requests. More accusatiosn about someone trolling, based only on the pick (veigar in this case). Havent bothered to watch further. Seriously, such people are not wanted in this game. Good riddance! Sidenote, about your opening post.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbvYeLxMKN8 At least put in some minimum effort.. your post is a pain to read.
: as i said, in that instance i was not toxic at all. how is this getting downvoted?
> [{quoted}](name=hi im Rizzuto,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yYqf2yg6,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-02T17:36:34.396+0000) > > > how is this getting downvoted? You are telling us what you wrote instead of providing us with the actual chatlogs (which you have). Then you base your condemnation of Riot on this description of your logs. Thats the main reason.
: Just Got a Ban - In a Game I was Honored In, By a Report From the Leaver
Talks about Riot intentioanlly withholding information. Does not provide the full information about his ban himself. Listen, as long as you refuse to provide us with all the information you received from Riot (exact ban reason, cahtlogs etc...) we will assume your ban is correct.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > So, being 2nd in regular split (one game behind TL) and going to 5 games in the finals against them is them not being interested in NA title? > Being the only team from NA to have ever played well on the worlds stage means they have no interest competing there? C9 sold Jensen, arguably their best player, and almost definitely top 2 midlaner in NA to their direct rivals. They SOLD him. They weren't forced to, he wasn't out of contract. They did the same with impact who also was by far the BEST top laner in Na. This screams we are valuing profit and stability much more than being the best in NA. C9 are happy to be second place. They won't risk change that might lead them to 1st but might also lead them to 4th-5th. Do you think C9 are disappointed with their 2018 and 2019 results? Why weren't there changes? Staff/Player revamps to chase 1st place.. Being about titles is all about the money and how much you are willing to risk. I respect their stance and can understand owners want to make profit above all, and they are not a huge org like TL/100T that can spend more, but it's just not the kind of stance that suits me personally for the team I support. c9 HAS BEEN NA most successful team EVER. Don't get me wrong. They are praiseworthy for their achievements, I am not taking anything away. Edit: I do believe now with Sven they have a better chance to get 1st, but it's again the same C9 tactic of buying opportunistically from the middle shelf then upgrading their players and reselling for value. I like Sven a lot though, and he does have winners mentality, he just despises losing and despises playing bad. I think he is a great fit. So maybe they win me back cause I love sven as a player. Top top work ethic unlike someone.....
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=BsXfpLbr,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-26T22:04:05.584+0000) > > C9 sold Jensen, arguably their best player, and almost definitely top 2 midlaner in NA to their direct rivals. They SOLD him. They weren't forced to, he wasn't out of contract. They did the same with impact who also was by far the BEST top laner in Na. > > This screams we are valuing profit and stability much more than being the best in NA. > C9 are happy to be second place. They won't risk change that might lead them to 1st but might also lead them to 4th-5th. There'S one big problem with this statement. You disregard what the players wanted. Jensen was desperate for his first domestic title, which he never got on c9. We also know he had been benched. Do you know if jensen even **wanted** to stay with c9? Would you keep a player and hope for the best if that player made it clear he no longer wanted to play for your org? There's more to it then just money. But we dont have this background info. > Do you think C9 are disappointed with their 2018 and 2019 results? Why weren't there changes? Staff/Player revamps to chase 1st place.. Revamping your roster makes only sense if you dont believe you can improve further. Or, if the chances of this roster improving are lower then the chances you take with a new roster (which ofc. also largly depends on player availability etc..). If you have reason to believe you can still improve with this roster, that you havent hit your ceiling, there's little reason to change. If your roster just got stage experience and you break it up, you kinda waste that experience. > Being about titles is all about the money and how much you are willing to risk. I respect their stance and can understand owners want to make profit above all, and they are not a huge org like TL/100T that can spend more, but it's just not the kind of stance that suits me personally for the team I support. C9 is taking risks.. Remember when they benched their star players for their academey players? I think i know which players were more expensive for C9 - and they send those to the insignificant challenger series. I think your view of simply stating that its all about the money is a little bit simple.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Yeah they really need a new ADC tbh. Doublelift isn't justifying the resources poured on him in the international stage imo. He is the best ADC in NA but he makes the team play in a very predictable way. Maybe TL learns in this season though and he plays second fiddle in some games so Jensen can shine. Especially if broxah powers up Jensen-Broxah would be an amazing mid/jg combo for NA. There is still the problem that the league is not challenging enough to force TL to evolve.
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=BsXfpLbr,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-26T18:37:14.311+0000) > > There is still the problem that the league is not challenging enough to force TL to evolve. I read this statement so often.. In the regular playoffs, TL went to 5 games vs clutch in semis, and then to 5 games vs c9 in finals. Even in regular season they only have one additional win over the 2nd best team (c9). Thats not exactly what i would call "not getting challenged". They did get challenged and had at least two close calls in semis/finals. > Keeping sneaky for his pretty eyes :/ Didnt they just replace him...? Didnt they bench him before that when they thought his performance was lackluster? > because they obviously are not interested in competing for worlds or NA lcs title. So, being 2nd in regular split (one game behind TL) and going to 5 games in the finals against them is them not being interested in NA title? Being the only team from NA to have ever played well on the worlds stage means they have no interest competing there? I call comkplete bullshit on this.
: **GateKeeperTDS** Though we all get bad players, negative or some what stupid. Why should we treat them so badly, ripping their hard work from them, their levels, their skins, like real life if you ever get imprison, they will take everything from you. Though getting banned is an extreme, but teaching them to fake act positive is even worse. Not healthy for a mind, for a young or old. We all should try and reinforce the positive behaviour in a much more optional way. They may discover that being permanently chat banned makes them play better now, that the burden/intent is gone or they can learn to tolerate the other slowly, but effectively. Not as a modern report system, quickly adapt and quickly get banned. **My point is this will promote many toxic players to learn to tolerate, slowly, but positively. ** This is what you need to learn for real life to, to tolerate or you will get punished. Potentially going to prison. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
> [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T18:48:50.778+0000) > > > Though getting banned is an extreme, but teaching them to fake act positive is even worse. You do not have to be positive. You can simply keep to neutral messages (e.g. go nash,/drag, summ cds etc..). There's no need for anyone to be positive; they only may not act negative. > They may discover that being permanently chat banned makes them play better now, that the burden/intent is gone or they can learn to tolerate the other slowly, but effectively. Not as a modern report system, quickly adapt and quickly get banned. As has already been stated, toxic players do not becomepositive or even neutral when faced with infinete chatrestriction. They simply revert to gameplay offenses instead, which are infinitly harder to spot. This is not an opinion, this is the resulöt of Riot testing infinite restrictions. > > **My point is this will promote many toxic players to learn to tolerate, slowly, but positively. > ** This is false. Quite simple. There's no need to make an assumption on how players will react to this, Riot already has the results.
: Will Broxah save NA?
Well, KR Topaner/Support (both ex world champs), EU Mid/Jungle And whats this .. theres an NA player in this team with Doublelift?!?
: No 3rd place match?
Worlds never had a 3rd place match. Regular season playoffs have.
: Riot's biggest blunder of World 2019.
Remember the Gangplank/Mordekaiser buffs? That was the same situation, just worse as it were two champions that needed to be banned. In fact, these two were so broken, that they never lost a game, despite being both picked in the same match on different teams on one occasion.
: World Spoilers
Whats so hard in just bookmarking the vods page (which doesnt contain spoilers?) Of course you get the schedule when just clicking the homepage.... I'd recommend watching it anyway, damn good series.
: Suspensions percentages.
> Who you would rather get banned? No preference there, for me. Its both. The feedbuster wont magically improve if Riot bans less people for flaming. So this whole question is really quite pointless.
rujitra (NA)
: That was the unskilled player report. They actually did punish failure to communicate if someone refused to communicate in any form.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WAHUKlq5,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-23T20:08:01.042+0000) > > That was the unskilled player report. They actually did punish failure to communicate if someone refused to communicate in any form. That report existed back when the tribunal was a thing. Back then, each person judging a case was also told the report reason. No one back then who was active on the boards ever saw the reason "refusing to communicate". Neither have i ever seen someone complaining about being banned for that reason.
rujitra (NA)
: It is. Unfortunately, Riot stopped punishing refusal to communicate years ago.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WAHUKlq5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-23T19:55:29.524+0000) > > It is. > > Unfortunately, Riot stopped punishing refusal to communicate years ago. They never punished anyone for that in the first place. Riot only removed it from the report list - however, it was never more than a placebo.
: Former honorable players, how did you become toxic?
> [{quoted}](name=Aryan MasterRage,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lfQNPEzj,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-22T17:09:40.328+0000) > > For me it was probably the trolls, afkers and feeders who were in my team and trolled the game. Always someone else, isn't it?
: You Are A Fool If You're Pick'ems For Quarter Finals Don't Resemble This:
Why doesa everybody count g2 out already? Because they looked weak in two games? Last time G2 met a korean team, it was SKT (first seed..) and defeated them in a b05. G2 didnt have the most convincing group phase at msi either. So, what the hell man.
Im Cat Lul (EUNE)
: EU > NA
"Now"? If you take worlds performance, thats something you could've knwon for years..
: I hate the 1 chest per champion per season limit
HeartVine (OCE)
: Imma just leave this here: > OCE > NA {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
> [{quoted}](name=HeartVine,realm=OCE,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=hKf2c1E9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-20T05:56:48.451+0000) > > Imma just leave this here: > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} Nah... NA is kind of like Schalke in the LEC. Good enough to beat the teams below them, but hardly competitive against the big names. NA did beat the minor regions (including LMS) consistently so far. But, they are below the other big regions, and have been for quite som,e time
: Can a Rioter punish you without reports on your account?
I would really like to see a screenshoit of that discussion with the Riot support.
: 14 Day
> [{quoted}](name=Beserkerzlol,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EYyQOzv,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-14T00:33:55.395+0000) > > O the most toxic chat message was "why are you pinging me, I dont have abilities up" You would be the first person ever to get a chat restriction/ban for that line. This definitly was not the reason for your ban. I suggest you post the logs - either there was a mistake, or you dont realise why you got banned. Which would lead to a perma very quickly.
: No Pauses For The Multiple Yuumi Bugs?
That was not a bug; thats how it is supposed to work at this moment. YOu thinking it shouldnt work like this doesnt make it a bug.
: its not worth my time but im just curious what would happen. knowing china, i dare to say they'd shut down the chat completely.
> [{quoted}](name=Jennifer420,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=mqLAg3Ei,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-11T10:30:23.973+0000) > > its not worth my time but im just curious what would happen. knowing china, i dare to say they'd shut down the chat completely. The same way the shut off the stream because there was a big sign reading" Hong Kong Attitude" ? Such as here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFd6XHZ7FQ at 1:18:13? You dont know how economic ownership works..
: C9 winning worlds?
I guess i will get some hate for it but... Last year, NA won their first B05 in worlds hisotry. Thats nice; especially since it was a gainst a korean team. But winning a single bo5 in several years doesnt suddenly make NA great - especially not as a region. Acting like any of their teams are favorites based on that single win? I think thats a bit over the top. In this regard, i think the years of complete korean domination say more about the regions strength then this single success.. which might've simply been a fluke. The other two NA teams didn't perform well at all. As usual, i might add... And C9 got absolutly stomped in semis. That wasn't a competitive game at all. The same goes for TL's success at MSI. NA had two standout moments, and they got hardstomped immidiatly after. Thats far below the track reckord of korea/china/EU. Show some consistency - this worlds would be NA's chance - but until then...
Dakeudharma (EUNE)
: I was even Time-outed from RIOT chat on Twitch hello ? Riot ? Do you really hate freedom of speech that much ?
> [{quoted}](name=AlóneAndWeak,realm=EUNE,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=X80dpvsv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-04T18:32:40.123+0000) > > I was even Time-outed from RIOT chat on Twitch hello ? Riot ? Do you really hate freedom of speech that much ? Ok, first off... dont use terms you dont understandt. You just told everyone you dont know what freedom of speech is. People often try to seem important by using big words and acting as if the evil corporation strips you of your basic rights - but really, you are just embarrrasing yourself, demonstrating a lack of knowledge and arrogance at the same time. To the LoL topic: CG ended up 2/2 UOL ended up 2/2 MMM ended up 2/2 UOL 2:0 CG; CG 2:0 MMM; MMM 2:0 UOL. So, tell me, how would you decide who gets the first seed? Riot's solution were tie breaker games. CG got to play only the one based on their average game time. Same chances for everyone. Feel free to present your solution. Lastly, care to give us specific examples of the bugs that favored CG? Timestamp please. Given that UOL could use this to pause/chronobreak/remake.. wonder why that didnt happen.
: Wow, professional league players make rookie mistackes too!
The mistakes pros make are exactly the same you, or anyone else, makes. The difference is: They are much, much rarer - and get punished much harder.
iTommi (NA)
: I got elo boosted
Whats next? Asking the police for help because someone stole your meth?
Azylium (EUNE)
: Are mouse macro legal?I kinda want some official answer
Any changes to your keybindings done via the ingae options menu are fine. The moment you use any third program to change ingame settings, you are at the risk of being permanently banned. It really shoulödn't come as a suprise - of course you cant get such an advantage over your fellow players.
: How to get worlds tickets when they sell out in 5 minutes?
The same way i managed to sign up for popular courses at my unioversity. Get a radio clock, and if you can start singing up at 22:00, then be in front of your pc at this time, and, on the second the clock turns from 21:59:59 to 22:00:00, refresh the page and sign in. Or buy your ticket. You might still be able to find overprized tickets on amazon or another marketplace. Oh, and i would really like to see some evidence of the scalpers that just use bots :)
: the hopes of reverting permabans
YOu know, Riot tried such an unban experiment twice. The first experiment resulted in about 95%+ players getting banned again, and by a system that was extremly ineffective at what it was doing. The second time, Riot didnt release the results (according to my knowledge, that is). However, given that Riot hasnt introduced a way to unban perma'd accounts yet, you can guess the results. The problem is quite simply, that peoplke toxic enough to get a perma, are simply toxic persons and wont change. Reading your opening post, which seeks to shift blame towards the players who dont want to play with flamers, chances of you getting unbanned should be pretty much zero.
: Balanced for Pro Play...?
What exactly is your problem? That champions are versitile enough to be played in different roles? What's so bad about that?
Prandine (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Bettnachleger,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=VXqtowGi,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-17T22:29:23.175+0000) > > Is that true? Meh I heard it mentioned in a video that one of the IG players said in an interview after the match that they didn't take the tournament as seriously as they probably should have. I haven't seen the interview myself but take from that what you will.
> [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=VXqtowGi,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-17T22:43:11.150+0000) > > I heard it mentioned in a video that one of the IG players said in an interview after the match that they didn't take the tournament as seriously Dont know about you, but making such a claim after you just lost a Bo5 against NA seems more like a pitiful attempt to make NAs victory seem less exciting.
MakJuice (NA)
: Team Liquid Wins 3-2 Against invictus Gaming 5/15/19
Just a dream, nothing else. Despite their single win vs G2, i think it's pretty obvious that all of the other teams outclass TL the same way TL outclasses teams such as PVB. A lucky game win is the only realistic thing they can hope for.
Xasyri (NA)
: MSI Schedule on Home Page Ruins Match Results
Whats so hard about bookmarking the VODs page? There are no spoilers there, and via the bookmark you can access the vods directly.
: Why is leaverbuster punishing legitimate disconnects?
A single 7-minute disconnect will not result in any leaverbuster penalty. In order for a shor disconenect liek that to have consequences, you need to have a history of leaving games. And that's when it is not "legitimate" anymore.
Tayzzer (NA)
: Riot's Confusing MSI Seeding
Counter question... Why would a single appearance in semifinals since....well.. EVER ... weigh more then several years of complete domination? Should years after years of great performance all be washed away after one poor worlds performance? (And by "poor" i mean that korea still left two groups as the first seeds, so it really wasnt that bad; just bad compared to the domination shown before..). I think that one slip-up shouldnt put you at the bottom. Consistent performance should, imo, be the relevant factor - not one team finally making it to semis, while the other two teams did poorly.
: You Get A Team To Top 4 At Worlds...
Maybe because NA's performance at international events has been lackluster since basically ever? They've had one team thats had some success. C9. The only team to ever reach semis at worlds or even get out of groups consistently. The few international successes (or rather, good performances) NA had, were all by C9, unless i miss something. And c9 isnt even the one playing at msi. And **one** semi-finals by one team is not enough to compensate for **several years** of poor performance overall.
: LEC needs format change
Why does this format lead to such a one-sided final? Origen was not a bad team. They finished 2nd in the regular split (despite a weak start), and they beat Fnatic, the next best team, in a covincing 3-1. Lets say taht origen would've been out after their first defeat against g2 - do you really think the finals would'Ve been any different? Why would fnatic, _who got beaten by origen_, perform better? Why would any of the teams that fnatic had already beaten, perform better? The reason that the finals were so one-sided is not because the format is "bad" or anything. _It was so one-sided, because G2 simply was that good._ I fail to see how a different format would'Ve changed anything - the format had nothing to do with the games being so one-sided. Being rewarded for a good split by having a second chance in playoffs is a good thing imo. Also, rematches aren't always a one-sided affair; think of fnatic at worlds vs IG. They defeated them twice in a row in group stage, then lost hard in the finals.
: How to prevent AFK'rs (an idea)
So, if a good gold players afk'S a few times he gets to stomp silver players? This is a terrible idea, because it will ruin matchmaking completly. In fact, it might even **encourage **people to afk so they get easier games. > forcing me to lose LP should not be acceptable. About that. Keep in mind, that this happens in the enemy team as well; so, lp gain and loss is equalized. With your idea however...
: *As I know in law (at least in my country), if you get punished like 1st time ever, the punishment is softened (unless you did it 100% intentionally). So i doesn't say about being innocent, but about softening punishment.
> [{quoted}](name=HighPriest LukAz,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PjjfpWkm,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-07T13:06:11.781+0000) > > *As I know in law (at least in my country), if you get punished like 1st time ever, the punishment is softened You got a 14-day ban, not a permanent ban. You would've received a perma if you'd had any prior punishments. **This 14-day ban**** is the softened version.** > (unless you did it 100% intentionally). Which you did? Or did you somehow loose control over your fingers without being at fault? > So i doesn't say about being innocent, but about softening punishment. Again, you got the softened punishment. Telling someone to kill himself is a pretty fucked up thing to do. Given what you did, this is pretty lenient imo - if it were for me, you would've received a permanent ban for that, no mattter your previous history.
: thats just how i talk man, i mean freedom of speech?
> [{quoted}](name=L9 Bosjesman,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HvlMFsnM,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-25T15:26:39.604+0000) > > thats just how i talk man, i mean freedom of speech? How exactly is the government restricting what you say? (write)? They aren't? It's a private company that's excluding you from their gaming community? No freedom of speech involved in any way, shape or form. Buddy, dont try to argue with terms you do not understand.
Sven6969 (EUNE)
: Penalities
Lets see how long it takes for you to get your perma...
: Yeah, bro. When you go fishing, I bet you catch **all** the fish, yeah?
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EpzU7kw6,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-24T11:07:07.310+0000) > > Yeah, bro. When you go fishing, I bet you catch **all** the fish, yeah? Bad analogy imo :). While you dont get all fish at once, we are slowly driving certain types of fish extinct.
Mordius (NA)
: How long until this system works
How long till police eraticates all crime? The police (and similar institutions) have existed for milennia... Short answer: Never. You can reduce it, but you cant get rid of it. People will always have an occasional bad time, or new players joining that never had any contact with the system.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cantabrum,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Jxf2wsKk,comment-id=000200000000000100010000,timestamp=2019-03-21T07:56:36.843+0000) > > VV did non of these things thats the difference. > They didnt try to win, they intentionally made bad decisions they knew exactly were going to result in them getting smashed. > > VV simply participated with the clear statement of: we do not want to win. > This attitude is unacceptable in a competitve league. > YOu always have a bottom tier team - no matter how good everyone is, someone gotta be last. > Thats no problem - the problem is if you **dont try to win. > ** Except, VV decided to field and all female team - then took the best female players they could find. Whether you like it or not, it's a valid means of choosing a team. Origen's awful roster was never expected to win any games and that's just what happened. But nobody demanded they be disbanded. VV is getting this flack because they fielded a team of women. Period.
> [{quoted}](name=Vaelkyrie,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Jxf2wsKk,comment-id=0002000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-22T00:24:21.020+0000) > > Except, VV decided to field and all female team - then took the best female players they could find. Whether you like it or not, it's a valid means of choosing a team. Origen's awful roster was never expected to win any games and that's just what happened. But nobody demanded they be disbanded. > > VV is getting this flack because they fielded a team of women. Period. So you keep **completly ignoring every point i make and just keep crying "sexism".** Someone dissagrees with you? Sexist. Learn how to argue and we can continue. Try to repeat any of your previous comments without using words such as sex, gender,male,female. You could practically delete everything you said. You have repeatedly failed to anwser to even a single argumetn i make and just cry sexism cause there are women involved. Grow up. Population is about 50/50 men/women, get comfortable around it.
: Okay time out. First of all producing the best team isn't going to be some absolute factor. You're always going to draw short ends of the straw when it comes to promising talent and it's up to the org to accept that and roll with it or take matters into their own hands at the expense of potential struggle. Given Vaevictis **was already lower end and as mentioned secured franchising**, what was the matter with it? --- Now then, my mention of implied sexism and rank shaming for Vaevictis' case was intended to be joint. And for the most part, that would be true! You're stating rules should be put in place because of what Vaevictis did in fielding this blowout roster. But you're clearly implying that only the best of the best are allowed to play. To break down your points: > My point was that the organization chose 5 low dia players that are also off-role. That was the org's choice. If your point is to imply that Diamond players can't contend with Master and Challenger level players which has been proven a possibility many times, then that's just outright shaming. As for the off-role mention: In a major region world where you can have Afreeca Freecs Spirit flex 3 roles in a regular season with no competitive ruling or repercussion, or even last season where Snake would flex their players all over the place in the first half of summer; roles don't have to mean anything. Players are not and have never been locked and sealed to a specific role or set of champions. Again, the org's choice. > I dont know why you have to make this about gender - i never even used the word male/female/gender or anything related in my post above. Tell that to the countless posts and comments about "5 female players out of their league." The same comments that will most always target their ranks as an excuse of inability. The same posts that keep popping up like this is some big deal when it really isn't. Yet here you are saying rules need to be enforced without even elaborating under what. Team Dark, Team Siren, Team Marn, Meet Your Makers, Origen, Renegades, Tainted Minds. The list goes on about messed up stories and controversies and the players are just having to play the game. And all you said at the point in time is: > There should be rules in place to prevent something like this from happening. > It's a shame people are allowed to trolled in something that claims to be a professional league. Like god damn, yo! These were some messed up stories that came with some resolutions within org structure! It's not like any of us Westerners have an idea how Vaevictis is running this anyway! Maybe in the hivemind, it's interpreted as trolling. In the hivemind, Diamond players can't beat Master players or Challenger players _ever_. In the hivemind, female players will never amount to promising talent as a team. You gave no rules, no suggestions, nothing but a bland comment which would be bull shit if it's being changed for the roster the org fielded. But in the end of the day, it's whatever. It was a project. A trial. If they were to continue this into summer, it'd be nice to see if any more growth came out of it through their subs or other acquired talent in the midseason. If Shanghai Dragons of the OWL can go 0-40 in the inaugural season to be shamed for the record but praised for the effort in trying, why can't this be? Need add to mention: this is still just **the Russian league**. Most anyone Western ever cares about the Russian league for is where Gambit wound up as far as I ever know. Bottom line: Let it go.
> [{quoted}](name=GeminiRune,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Jxf2wsKk,comment-id=00020000000000010001,timestamp=2019-03-21T02:08:51.358+0000) > > First of all producing the best team isn't going to be some absolute factor. You're always going to draw short ends of the straw when it comes to promising talent and it's up to the org to accept that and roll with it or take matters into their own hands at the expense of potential struggle. As i said ... there should be the intent to get the **best possible roster _given your possibilities_.** Getting a "bad" player because you couldnt find/afford someone better, is perfectly fine. Chosing bad players intentionally, thats not fine. > Given Vaevictis **was already lower end and as mentioned secured franchising**, what was the matter with it? Competitive leage -->competitive matches. Again, if a t eam fails while trying, thats one thing. If they **dont even trry to win,** they should not be allowed in aa professional league, that simple! They are intentionally sabotaging their chances of winning by conciously making bad decisions that they do not need to make. > > --- > > Now then, my mention of implied sexism and rank shaming for Vaevictis' case was intended to be joint. And for the most part, that would be true! You're stating rules should be put in place because of what Vaevictis did in fielding this blowout roster. But you're clearly implying that only the best of the best are allowed to play. To break down your points: > That was the org's choice. If your point is to imply that Diamond players can't contend with Master and Challenger level players which has been proven a possibility many times, then that's just outright shaming. > As for the off-role mention: In a major region world where you can have Afreeca Freecs Spirit flex 3 roles in a regular season with no competitive ruling or repercussion, or even last season where Snake would flex their players all over the place in the first half of summer; roles don't have to mean anything. Players are not and have never been locked and sealed to a specific role or set of champions. Again, the org's choice. > I realyl dont think you are getting the point. Picking up dia player is a rare exception for professional teams - they only do it when they are convinced they are well suited for the role. Again, the org VV k**new they made bad choices and it was in their power to make better choices.** This argument about rank shaming is utterly ridicoulous. Lets say, fnatic would recruit 5 b5 players for the next split and compete in LEC. What woul you think of that...?? > Tell that to the countless posts and comments about "5 female players out of their league." The same comments that will most always target their ranks as an excuse of inability. The same posts that keep popping up like this is some big deal when it really isn't. Yet here you are saying rules need to be enforced without even elaborating under what. Team Dark, Team Siren, Team Marn, Meet Your Makers, Origen, Renegades, Tainted Minds. The list goes on about messed up stories and controversies and the players are just having to play the game. And all you said at the point in time is: I dont give a shit about what other posted, it has nothing to do with my points. About the teams you mentioned ( i dont know all of em, lets just roll with origen as an example): Origen sucked. Terrible team, that didnt manage to win a single series, and went 0/6 in relegation iirc. **Point is: They did the best they could, they tried to do well they tried to win.** VV did non of these things thats the difference. They didnt try to win, they intentionally made bad decisions they knew exactly were going to result in them getting smashed. VV simply participated with the clear statement of: we do not want to win. This attitude is unacceptable in a competitve league. YOu always have a bottom tier team - no matter how good everyone is, someone gotta be last. Thats no problem - the problem is if you **dont try to win. **
: > [{quoted}](name=Cantabrum,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Jxf2wsKk,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-20T21:29:40.658+0000) > > > The thing i hate is, that a team that never wanted to win in the first place is allowed in a competitive league. > They aren't competitive, they dont want to win or even perform well. The _players on the team_ or _the org_? Cause I think the players want to win - the organization was conducting a pre-franchising experiment.
> [{quoted}](name=Vaelkyrie,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Jxf2wsKk,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-20T21:39:59.916+0000) > > The _players on the team_ or _the org_? Cause I think the players want to win - the organization was conducting a pre-franchising experiment. The spot belongs to the org, so them not wanting to win is all it takes.
: Who's trolling? The players or the organization? The org _chose_ to field the players **within the region's eligibility!** So what more rules should be added? Bump it higher than a Diamond rank? Why?! Not every region has Master and Challenger level talent that wants to go pro. Should there need to be an intent as to a team's roster? Firstly that'd be implying sexism and rank shaming in this case. Secondly in most cases there hasn't been a need for intent so why start now? Just like the Remi situation with Renegades, if the org is suspect, that should be investigated. But what the OP is saying is remove the team and/or the org because of the players picked up and the blowouts accrued as a result. Vaevictis hasn't been competitively relevant since Spring 2017! ~~In that context, you can just chalk this up as the next (3rd) relegation run for the org. If the hate for the org and choice of players matters that much, then hope that the Promotion teams destroy them.~~ _Whoops...I'll keep that there. Thanks for the correction._
> [{quoted}](name=GeminiRune,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Jxf2wsKk,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-20T20:16:14.508+0000) > > Who's trolling? The players or the organization? The organaization. > The org _chose_ to field the players **within the region's eligibility!** So what more rules should be added? Bump it higher than a Diamond rank? Why?! Not every region has Master and Challenger level talent that wants to go pro. The rule is simple. It is a professional league; try to win. First step: get the players you thnk are going to perform best together. > > Should there need to be an intent as to a team's roster? Yes, and there should be the intent to get the best possible roster given your possibilities. > Firstly that'd be implying sexism I have absolutly no idea how there's any sexism implied here. **My point was that the organization chose 5 low dia players that are also off-role.** This makes it obvious they never tried to be competitive. Thats it. I dont know why you have to make this about gender - i never even used the word male/female/gender or anything related in my post above. Quite a low blow to try and make this a gender issue. I dont give a shit what sex organ they have between their legs, and nothing i said even remotly refers to that. Just a really, really low blow. > and rank shaming in this case. Rank shaming? wtf?? Are teams rank shaming because they dont consider low elo players for their roster? IF you try to win in a professional league, you pick up the best players you can - and thats not going to be low diamond support mains. You are trying really hard to find a personal insult mate. Thats like saying that some guy who plays some soccer in his free time gets "shamed" because he isn't considered for a professional soccer team. > Secondly in most cases there hasn't been a need for intent so why start now? There's always been a need for that - because previously, you would simply drop out of the league. Again, this is a **professional ****league**, i expect **professional ****players**. If you want to watch some low elo players, that's perfectly fine. But a professional league is not the place. > > Just like the Remi situation with Renegades, if the org is suspect, that should be investigated. i have no clue whatsoever how you think these situations compare. Remi was on the team, because she was skilled player, and thats it. She got picked because the team felt she was a good choice to win. Perhaps you can explain to me how picking up 5 low dia offf-role players fits the same bill. > But what the OP is saying is remove the team and/or the org because of the players picked up and the blowouts accrued as a result. Vaevictis hasn't been competitively relevant since Spring 2017! Not being relevant because you **fail while trying** is different from not being relevant because **you dont want to succeed in the first place.** > ~~In that context, you can just chalk this up as the next (3rd) relegation run for the org. If the hate for the org and choice of players matters that much, The thing i hate is, that a team that never wanted to win in the first place is allowed in a competitive league. They aren't competitive, they dont want to win or even perform well.
: Getting real tired of these Vaevictis talks. Why can't it just be, "It happened. It failed. Move on?"
> [{quoted}](name=GeminiRune,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Jxf2wsKk,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-20T17:39:43.173+0000) > > Getting real tired of these Vaevictis talks. Why can't it just be, "It happened. It failed. Move on?" There should be rules in place to prevent something like this from happening. It's a shame people are allowed to trolled in something that claims to be a professional league.
: Irelia hit 46% wr with 9.6
> [{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mK5c8tWW,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-03-20T16:36:16.491+0000) > > Can we give some buffs so theres some reward in actually mastering the champ? > Such as, having a winrate of 52.5 %? How high should it be? Btw, wirnate only gets higher when you master her(hogher elo..) https://champion.gg/champion/Irelia/Top?league=silver
: Can i get ma LP back riot
Of course - However, riot will also have to substract any LP you ever got when such a situation happened in the enemy team.
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