: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=0001000100020000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-09T23:56:55.358+0000) > > https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/EUW1/2033726559963936 What's this? Another smurf of yours with negative winrate in bronze? > and poppy IS an assassin LOL. The length you will go just to place blame on anyone else that isn't yourself for struggling in low elo {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} Don't even bother replying, I'm not gonna waste more time reading whatever nonsense excuse you have for not being able to escape a elo where everyone isn't good. It's your problem after all, not mine :)
wait, how did you get the impression I ever gave a fuck of your replies? LOL If you dont want to get your nose in your own sht, don't enter a conversation
Kai Guy (NA)
: > you're the one thinking and talking like a beginner, if you dont want to be treated like one, dont be one? > it's pure trash, they're screwing their game even no matchmaking would be a better system I see, so you have no qualms about lying to people online. You don't care to adhere to logic or reason. Your going to just repeat yourself like a skipping record. Well guess I will resort to a time honored solution. Leave No Player Behind Seek to offer constructive advice in a civil and friendly manner, and understand that things you find obvious about the game, the behavior system, or the Boards community may not be obvious to others. Have a little patience and try to help the player reach a better understanding. At the same time, don’t be discouraged if they aren’t receptive. **Some small percentage of players won’t want to listen to your advice, no matter how politely you try to lend a hand. In these situations, simply exit the conversation gracefully.** By Felecia. {{sticker:katarina-love}}
I'm happy you learnt to parrot pseud-intellectuals but you can't fool people when your IQ is half theirs lol. Lurk less play more if you want to learn this game, but it looks like you're trying to find idiots to fool to feel clever, so I can suggest the worldstarhiphop forums
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=00010001000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-09T18:12:37.180+0000) > > nah it's impossible, you dont need to have a brain to carry with a fed assassin, and you can't do anything alone against it Fed assassins are the easiest thing in league to shut down if you're a better player than them because no matter how far ahead they are, if they don't build defense (and bronzies don't) the second you're able to burst them back in 1 combo you're on equal terms (or better if you have CC and are a better player) anything you build beyond that is just pulling you further ahead (generally defense) Here's the thing about bronze. You can focus on building early game items that facilitate burst early and 1 combo opponents, and that will last the entire game, because your opponents never get more defense. So there's no tradeoff, in Bronze you just build that early game burst, then stack defense and utility.
> [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=000100010002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-09T18:19:03.846+0000) > > Fed assassins are the easiest thing in league to shut down LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL noob spotted > [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=000100010002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-09T18:19:03.846+0000) > Here's the thing about bronze. You can focus on building early game items that facilitate burst early and 1 combo opponents, and that will last the entire game, because your opponents never get more defense. So there's no tradeoff, in Bronze you just build that early game burst, then stack defense and utility. It's always hillarious to listen to board lurkers talking about a game they've never played
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=00010001000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-09T18:12:37.180+0000) > > nah it's impossible, you dont need to have a brain to carry with a fed assassin, and you can't do anything alone against it Implying only Assassins can carry games https://i.imgur.com/ISeYanw.jpg[\img] , is your next excuse that this poppy streak wasn't in bronze/silver? Because that would be dumb considering I would be able to get away with just mindly split pushing and killing anyone that comes my way without dying regardless of numbers in iron-silver :) Quit complaining about people in bronze being bad (news flash they aren't supposed to be good) and improve your skills.
LOL who are you talking to? Are you stupid? I just proved I carry every single game I play as poppy. https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/EUW1/2033726559963936 and poppy IS an assassin LOL. What's your excuse now? "wahhh wahhh it's just your fault, Im not lucky"
: So two things. Firstly, let's be honest, your screenshots aren't even showing off an impressive disparity.(Look at my match history losses for some fun ones. Secondly, matchmaking is pretty much impossible to actually balance until you get to the higher tiers...where there aren't enough players to actually make it work effectively. Here is why: Let's say you have 2 similarly skilled players by every metrics except one mains {{champion:75}} and the other mains {{champion:92}}. Riven crushed this matchup easy so it looks like riot matchmaking is bad. When you have 10 different players and 140 champions with unique abilities and interactions it just gets insane to actually balance. On the flip side sometimes their matchmaking(particularly in series) is handing one team a free win.(https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3062674788/38386924?tab=overview is a great example where we have an Orianna smurf on our team and they have a 43% winrate Voli on a series on their team) So honestly, 80% of games are actually pretty well matched, though because of all the moving pieces it often doesn't look that way. Cheers!{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
> [{quoted}](name=LMQ TripleLift,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GE0UzQHZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-09T21:55:47.618+0000) > > So two things. Firstly, let's be honest, your screenshots aren't even showing off an impressive disparity. ???? 5/14, 2/14 vs 13/11 "no disparity"? > Secondly, matchmaking is pretty much impossible to actually balance until you get to the higher tiers...where there aren't enough players to actually make it work effectively. Here is why: > Let's say you have 2 similarly skilled players by every metrics except one mains {{champion:75}} and the other mains {{champion:92}}. Riven crushed this matchup easy so it looks like riot matchmaking is bad. When you have 10 different players and 140 champions with unique abilities and interactions it just gets insane to actually balance. > > On the flip side sometimes their matchmaking(particularly in series) is handing one team a free win.(https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3062674788/38386924?tab=overview is a great example where we have an Orianna smurf on our team and they have a 43% winrate Voli on a series on their team) > > So honestly, 80% of games are actually pretty well matched, though because of all the moving pieces it often doesn't look that way. > > Cheers!{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} It's a lost faster to balance in lower tiers because you have such a large pool of players; the downside is that you don't have as much data on them. Anyway, 1 game doesn't matter, I'm talking about long term balance. I wouldn't care if I had one bad team here and there, but not NINE OUT OF TEN. Especially when the tenth one only wins because they have an afk
Jamaree (NA)
: I know right, I hate it when Riot gives me players that got 3/11 or 1/9 with Yi or 1/10/3 with Rammus, I think players who have these kinds of scores should just be removed from the game, right OP?
I totally agree! But the r%%%%%s who can't even read a game properly come first {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Rioter Comments
Eedat (NA)
: You didn't think very hard about how obvious it is that you and sVzMyron are the same person posting on two different accounts did you? # _CRRRRRRRIIIINNNNNGGGGEEEEE_
"iF yOu DiSaGreE WitH RiOT You A ruSsIaN HacKer" https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1506/10/1506106841150.jpg
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LNdruZE2,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-07T19:14:47.909+0000) > > If you know the game then your brain is the problem? Can I get that again in english this time?
: I've never ended a season in bronze, and i have around 300 games of being in bronze from when I started out. If you can't 1v9 against players that in theory have less macro and mechanical sense than you, than you're just reflecting what elo you're in. Coinflips do exist, but not in that elo.
glad to know you're lucky, but if I wanted a luck game I would go to the casino
Eedat (NA)
: Yeah riot singles out silver players and rigs games for 9 other people to keep you down. It makes sense if you dont think about it. If you cant carry out of bronze you deserve to be there without question. Look at any one of the hundreds of bronze to diamond series on YT and not a single one of them doesnt absolutely roflstomp trough bronze first timing champs with troll builds. Also, its really cringey that you're posting on 2 different accounts pretending to be different people to agree with yourself. It's very obvious. Thats really embarrassing
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-08T01:54:45.062+0000) > > Yeah riot singles out silver players and rigs games for 9 other people to keep you down. It makes sense if you dont think about it. lol you didnt think for a long time did you? Or you just cant
Kai Guy (NA)
: Hey now, Who are you going to believe. Your eyes or the OP? I like the bit where I got called a Beginner by some one who feels bronze is hard. Especially when a hover on my profile shows badges for several seasons. Dude seems to have no idea how to team play. Oh well... once that clicks in he should stop feeding on yii so often.
you're the one thinking and talking like a beginner, if you dont want to be treated like one, dont be one?
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=00090001,timestamp=2019-06-08T00:44:07.783+0000) > > It seems to be very difficult for you beginners to read a game! Personnally I've never had this kda, dont project your failures on me. > How should they feel? They should feel like trash for failing to simply right clicking where I ping them, for feeding so hard, for being so useless. but I guess they'd need a brain transplant for that. "never had this kda", huh? Pretty easy to debunk that. https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/EUW1/2033720632249120
ahahahhahahah quoting kda, typical iron 5 noob never got a negative kda, they're responsible for the trash they create, not me
: if bronze didn't exist how would one know they are bad at the game?
with a threshold system in normals
Kai Guy (NA)
: Its an objective system built around mathematical principles that avoid the need for subjectively rating individual moves and plays. Its actually very smart and as some one who literally played Mobas when there was 0 matchmaking in place I can assure you that its a far worse experience then anything Riots Ever thrown at the player base. This is of course my opinion but as some one whos been around from season 1 of League that's visible on this account I feel it does carry a bit more weight then some one who goes 0-7 on yii and rages about teammates being trash and making him look bad. There is a reason the popular Ban list apps for Wc3 made for Dota All-stars included a Elo calculation system for tracking players. And the quality of games went up after it was introduced. MMR doesn't want you to get out unless you earn it. What exactly do you think proves you deserve it? Its not in your win rate or stats. So... just need me to take your word for it?
it's pure trash, they're screwing their game even no matchmaking would be a better system
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-07T19:54:04.444+0000) > > Either you get caried out because your ennemies feed, or you can never get out because riot gives you the wrong teams > so why not the fck scrap bronze altogether and just allow the right people to play ranked? It's completely stupid, it's fucking the game over Whadaya mean "you can never get out?" lolz those games can be carried 1v9 how bad those players are.
the game is decided by riot's team composition, either you get the winning team or the losing one; what you do is negligeable
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=000100010002,timestamp=2019-06-08T19:54:47.488+0000) > > Stomping ennemies is easy, it's the allies who are impossible to beat Which is still easy af to do in that elo because the enemies don't know what they are doing.
nah it's impossible, you dont need to have a brain to carry with a fed assassin, and you can't do anything alone against it
: I laugh at fed rengar, yi, and zed as I bash their face in with my main who hard counters all 3. Here is what happens when you have a bunch of ad against Taric. https://youtu.be/LaHYmYE12FU
when you fail hard to even identify champions
: Nope, I've just studied enough statistics to know that there are reliable indicators to know where someone should be, and the system is designed to catch that. When you're doing extremely well but you team isn't and you lose, you'll only lose a very small amount of LP, and when you win, you gain a huge amount. I've personally seen this be the case.
exactly, and if riot wasn't so lazy they could design a system that rewards players according to their merit, but they seem to busy releasing %%%% champs
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-06-08T19:21:46.616+0000) > > LOL totally delusional. "carrying" doesnt mean you kill your ennemies, it means you're just ahead of your team. You can never 1v9, it's impossible, riot doesnt offer the option. You can't even 1v3. At best, a good player can 1v2.... When fed. wtf are you talking about? then why on my bronze smurf i have 100% win rate on Nasus in 30 games? i got carried by my team in all 30 games? wtf are you talking about? of course that bronze can easily be carried 1v9
riot is just kind enough to feed you noobs lol, it doesn't ake a genius to understand that
: This is ridiculous, I'm high silver, and even low Silver is practically free wins. Bronze is just free stompfest. (and why wouldn't it be, half the population is between these points) On the flipside, plats stomp me just as fast. If you're having trouble in bronze, you are 100% not anything but bronze. Like literally, I can roll the fed enemy team of 5 up into one little pile and smash them in Bronze. I couldn't possibly think of an excuse to not win most bronze games. Sure, there are some that'd be unsalvageable for me, but that's rare. Both teams have the same chances 50% of something super trolly going off more than the other in any given game. If I can't win HALF of those I'm still 75% win rate and out of bronze in one day. That's, of course, assuming I'm not throwing the 50% in my favor. TL;DR If it's so random that it's exactly 50/50 that means your play is exactly as random as your team and having no significant or meaningful positive impact. (that makes you bronze). If you can impact it even +5% on the "we lost cause ___ trolled so hard" you'll climb.
of course at your level you think you determine the outcome of the game, but with experience you understand it doesn't work that way at all. And it's just common sense - how would 1 guy outplay 4? bronze can't be carried; silver is sometimes carryable if the butthurt noobs accept to stop feeding and follow
: It isn't impossible to get out of. 80% of players got out of it. Your refusal to accept that you aren't that good and it is your team's fault is holding you back. Accept when you make a mistake and learn from it to get better. Otherwise have fun forever being bronze while blaming your teammates that may end up climbing faster than you.
You totally climb if you're lucky, but you don't climb by playing well. I'm outplaying everyone at this elo, so why does it matter if I'm good or not? Even if I make mistakes, I'm better than my opponents, which is, by definition, the only criteria to determine rank in skill.
: The point of bronze is to get really good at mental chess. Not joking - in bronze your main enemy is your team, not the enemy team. You're not fighting the enemy, you're fighting tilt, A.D.D, and gamer fatigue (what I call "just not feeling the game right now") so your goal in bronze is to help to keep your team focused, motivated, and calm. Try to give out really vague things to do (ex. "someone go top") that gets everyone to react (like, "someone go top" without fail send my entire freaking team up there, and I'm not even in Bronze anymore) until they start respecting your shotcalls enough they can listen to more advanced ones (ex. "Yi, go splitpush while the rest of us take dragon") And if anyone starts raging at you for trying to shotcall, simply ask them "what's your plan then?" If they have one, great. Go with it. If it's a bad plan, everyone will stop listening to them and stick with your plan, and if it's a good plan, just let them plan. If they don't have a plan, reinforce that they need to follow your plan. If they just straight up refuse, they're gonna get reported for intentionally trolling the game at that point, because they're not working with the team and blatantly showing their refusal to in chat.
Now that is the most and actually first intelligent thing I've read on the issue. Now that is the most and actually first intelligent thing I've read on the issue. > [{quoted}](name=ChaosReyn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-06-08T01:47:43.034+0000) >they're gonna get reported for intentionally trolling the game at that point nobody gets banned for trolling though (unless "trolling" = inting in a very obvious way)
: Even if you are support main it should be easy. You should get your adc so far ahead in lane that it doesn't matter if they are good or not when they stat check everyone as you set up easy kills for them. You can also be a leader and actually organize your team to do quality rotations instead of the ARAM crap that always happens mid game in low ranks.
when your team feeds a rengar, yi, zed, before you even get your first item, good job getting your adc anywhere but to the graveyard
: > [{quoted}](name=ChaosReyn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-08T01:52:24.299+0000) > > The thing is, the meta in plat is actually vastly different from the meta in bronze - because the playstyle is that different. > > It's hard for someone in plat to understand bronze play because bronze play is quite literally that screwy. Instead of your Riven or Fiora top, you're more likely to see Nasus or Tryndamere, and instead of your flashy assassin mid laners, you see a lot more of people like Veigar or Xerath. Like I said , it's about champions for example , the champion I struggled with was Ahri , I one trick her yet I couldn't do shit , I first timed Riven and actually carried 1v9 It's more of a champion thing , stuff like Kat/Riven/Yi always work
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-08T02:06:16.866+0000) > It's more of a champion thing , stuff like Kat/Riven/Yi always work Dunno about yi, you gotta be lucky... Whenever I play him, my team never follows, never engages, as if they expected me to pentakill at min1... Whenever he's in the other team, they just feed him in the most stupid ways... It's really a coin flip
: The thing is, the meta in plat is actually vastly different from the meta in bronze - because the playstyle is that different. It's hard for someone in plat to understand bronze play because bronze play is quite literally that screwy. Instead of your Riven or Fiora top, you're more likely to see Nasus or Tryndamere, and instead of your flashy assassin mid laners, you see a lot more of people like Veigar or Xerath.
> [{quoted}](name=ChaosReyn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-08T01:52:24.299+0000) >Instead of your Riven or Fiora top, you're more likely to see Nasus or Tryndamere, and instead of your flashy assassin mid laners, you see a lot more of people like Veigar or Xerath. That would be the least of my concerns... They have unpredictable and irrational behaviours; they'll try to win 1v4 when 2/8, but won't join a free baron... What I find most annoyng is how they have zero sense of teamplay : millions of times, I've been ganked by top or mid, either when invading or just farming my jungle. I'll ping our lanes, I'll even write in chat, and they won't budge : they're too happy farming solo and leaving their team deal with the ennemy *they* are in charge of. In these conditions, victory is really a coin flip...
: > [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-07T20:02:52.269+0000) > > As a platinum level player I actually struggle carrying a Bronze level game unless I play some 1v5 champions You have to be joking, as a plat level player you should be able to stomp your way to plat elo with whatever your main champ is (unless you're a support main).
> [{quoted}](name=2Charmnot2Charm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-06-08T00:05:10.749+0000) > > You have to be joking, as a plat level player you should be able to stomp your way to plat elo with whatever your main champ is (unless you're a support main). Stomping ennemies is easy, it's the allies who are impossible to beat
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-07T22:08:15.208+0000) > > So riot is forcing people to hate their game because they're too lazy to either balance teams correctly or give LP to the right people. That's the most absurd thing game designers could ever do. Yeah... trust me they have systems in place to detect people outside of their rank. CS and vision score have a huge impact on this, as well as objective damage.
People are so stupid. They believe a computer can understand human emotions like "negativity", but reading numerous values like cs, kda, damages etc is impossible {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} fkn brainwashed
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-07T19:54:04.444+0000) > > Either you get caried out because your ennemies feed, or you can never get out because riot gives you the wrong teams > so why not the fck scrap bronze altogether and just allow the right people to play ranked? It's completely stupid, it's fucking the game over Whadaya mean "you can never get out?" lolz those games can be carried 1v9 how bad those players are.
LOL totally delusional. "carrying" doesnt mean you kill your ennemies, it means you're just ahead of your team. You can never 1v9, it's impossible, riot doesnt offer the option. You can't even 1v3. At best, a good player can 1v2.... When fed.
Kai Guy (NA)
: The idea is to have a section of your ranked ladder where players can sink if they lose for being lower skill then the average player. Elo/MMR systems don't start players at the bottom of the ladder, it usually is the middle ground 50%. Probability theory is used to sort skill. For example, Using a Normal distribution model you'd end up expecting seeing 33% of the games players slightly below and 33% slightly above creating a ladder where 66% of the player base are 1 class interval or so away from the starting MMR. In both directions mind you so 2 class intervals between the bottom of the bottom 33 And top of the Top 33. In chess that would look like 400 Elo points. Note. 1. Many devs are not using Normal distribution and run logistical distribution. 2. MMR systems are almost never Zero sum due to RNG nature of teammates. System fails if it treats all members of a team as having the same Stakes or K factor. Tiers are made to represent a range of MMR scores, otherwise they have no relation to skill. MMR is used to represent Probability theory expectations between players for wins/losses. MMR is expected to be wrong and self correct, every time its off on a player its a step closer to placing them into a better range where their impact on a match is more similar to teammates. You might be plat, but its not represented on this account due to it being new. If so your clearly not playing your mains. 36% (4W 7L) 1.32 KDA On yii? Constantly low damage constantly high deaths? What exactly are your teammates expected to feel about your skill when you went 0/7/1 (7%)? MMR is every single game you play. Not just your good ones, not just your mains. Every game in that Que is tracked. Let me tell you a secret thou, PvP games are really impacted by the quality of players. You want to see Leauge improve? Get on Riots case to start investing into player behavior systems.
> [{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-06-07T22:50:05.276+0000) > What exactly are your teammates expected to feel about your skill when you went 0/7/1 (7%)? It seems to be very difficult for you beginners to read a game! Personnally I've never had this kda, dont project your failures on me. How should they feel? They should feel like trash for failing to simply right clicking where I ping them, for feeding so hard, for being so useless. but I guess they'd need a brain transplant for that.
Eedat (NA)
: Or we're downvoting because believing ELO hell keeps people in bronze is hysterical
typical ridrone spitting propaganda
LeoX (NA)
: Then are you really a plat player? Bronze is easy af to carry.
LOL no. Bronze is impossible to get out of. You're either lucky or doomed.
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7em6ovO2,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-06-07T22:04:03.927+0000) > > that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm a plat player and I get demoted to b4 just because garbage teams Are you sure it’s garbage teams? If I, a garbage Silver player can carry my teams to victory and climb out of bronze easily, I’m pretty sure a Platinum player like you could do it easily.
lol "carrying" is a myth. You're just ahead, but if they troll, you lose. You didn't "carry", you got lucky your teammates were better and theirs were worse.
: Maybe so bad players aren't mixed with decent/great players?
then maybe rito shouldnt make it the starting place and impossible to get out of
Kai Guy (NA)
: The idea is to have a section of your ranked ladder where players can sink if they lose for being lower skill then the average player. Elo/MMR systems don't start players at the bottom of the ladder, it usually is the middle ground 50%. Probability theory is used to sort skill. For example, Using a Normal distribution model you'd end up expecting seeing 33% of the games players slightly below and 33% slightly above creating a ladder where 66% of the player base are 1 class interval or so away from the starting MMR. In both directions mind you so 2 class intervals between the bottom of the bottom 33 And top of the Top 33. In chess that would look like 400 Elo points. Note. 1. Many devs are not using Normal distribution and run logistical distribution. 2. MMR systems are almost never Zero sum due to RNG nature of teammates. System fails if it treats all members of a team as having the same Stakes or K factor. Tiers are made to represent a range of MMR scores, otherwise they have no relation to skill. MMR is used to represent Probability theory expectations between players for wins/losses. MMR is expected to be wrong and self correct, every time its off on a player its a step closer to placing them into a better range where their impact on a match is more similar to teammates. You might be plat, but its not represented on this account due to it being new. If so your clearly not playing your mains. 36% (4W 7L) 1.32 KDA On yii? Constantly low damage constantly high deaths? What exactly are your teammates expected to feel about your skill when you went 0/7/1 (7%)? MMR is every single game you play. Not just your good ones, not just your mains. Every game in that Que is tracked. Let me tell you a secret thou, PvP games are really impacted by the quality of players. You want to see Leauge improve? Get on Riots case to start investing into player behavior systems.
that's fuckin stupid, instead you have a stupid shitfest where all lanes are pure garbage and you can never get out. How the fuck can designers be so bad? Anyone could do better, even nothing at all would be better than this trash
: Bronze is a grinding place You keep playing on 50% winrate until you rank up , eventually you will rank up as long as you keep it 50% As a platinum level player I actually struggle carrying a Bronze level game unless I play some 1v5 champions
So riot is forcing people to hate their game because they're too lazy to either balance teams correctly or give LP to the right people. That's the most absurd thing game designers could ever do.
: riot gives u the wrong teams. looooooooooooool
you think that's funny? You must laugh a lot when they give you trolls
: Personally, as a silver level player, it was pretty easy to climb out of bronze on a smurf. All I did was abuse champs like Garen and Darius so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm a plat player and I get demoted to b4 just because garbage teams
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LNdruZE2,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T01:49:00.833+0000) > > that's why the question was stupid, you don't know the game > why not play instead? Funny how you tell others that "they don't know the game" and go "play it" when they say something you don't agree with. What would riot gain by giving you "feedbots"? Also just answer his question. When you feed, is your account suddenly taken over by a feedbot? Because everyone feeds, everyone has games where they play like absolute garbage. Nobody is immune, not you, not me, not pros and not the devs.
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LNdruZE2,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-05T01:59:45.118+0000) > > when they say something you don't agree with ???? Learn to read, I didn't disagree anywhere with something he said
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LNdruZE2,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T01:49:00.833+0000) > > that's why the question was stupid, you don't know the game > why not play instead? I do know the game, likely know it more then you, I just want to know why you think Riot creates bots to feed in your games.
If you know the game then your brain is the problem?
: It seems the feedbots play on your account as well, I see a 0-7 Master Yi game played on your account.
never been 0-7 a single time, looks like the retrdbots are in your brain!
Kai Guy (NA)
: Do me a solid. Loom at a few super feedy games and check BOTH teams for an active duo. I think the duo class interval gap ia just to large and its so common the average day sees multiple players experience low quality matches. And I think positional mm is part of the issue. Becuase far as I know they left that in place despite removeing positional ques.
even with a duo it's getting hard to carry the trash riot feeds in games! We're 50/0 and they still manage to lose every fuckn game because they have no clue what they're doing
Moody P (NA)
: "I am counterpicked but I'm playing safe and letting him push. Surely my jungler will help me soon"
wtf is wrong with junglers? They're litterally stupid. They can't even see your lane is pushed and they will tilt if you show them. Riot is incompetent, they're the ones who have to force junglers to play with their team or get punished. but no, they let cancerous kids afk farm for 20 mins
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Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=iWuTaylor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LNdruZE2,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T01:44:36.445+0000) > > why ask stupid questions? It isn’t a stupid question, I’m just saying that everyone feeds, literally everyone, there isn’t a single person in this game who doesn’t, the devs feed, I feed, you feed anyone who says they haven’t had a game where they fed is straight up lying. So the games where you feed, are you a feedbot?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LNdruZE2,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T01:46:28.174+0000) > > that everyone feeds, literally everyone that's why the question was stupid, you don't know the game why not play instead?
Jamaree (NA)
: Are you a feedbot in the games where you feed?
Rioter Comments
: the theory of big numbers means that those cancel each other out with you being the only factor you can influence the most your win rate is decided only by your own performance this means that you can't have an absurd high win rate unless you are miles ahead of everyone in the game in terms of knowledge and mechanics (this is why tf blade gets challenger accounts from unranked in a few weeks) but even if you see his accounts by the time he reaches high challenger his win rate starts to even out towards 50% his euw rank 1 climb was with 67% win rate his na rank 1 account that kept for 2 years was with 55% win rate if you notice that even an amazing soloq player can't have an absurd win rate around his skill level in a balanced working elo system any player should have 50-55%win rate based only on their consistency in game if you are really consistent you can go above 55% barely this is proven with every account in challenger that has 500+ games only very very few accounts with such amount of games have above 55% and even if they do they are 56 or 57% This is only because your own performance is responsible for 20% of your games if you are a 4fun player you will have 50% if you troll you will have less than 50% if you are consistently good you will have more
> [{quoted}](name=Ornndyr2k19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nwlxI15L,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-04T08:40:38.547+0000) > > the theory of big numbers means that those cancel each other out yeah, for riot. Are you riot? "it evens out" is total bullshit spread by riot to avoid their responsibility
: These Are The Reasons That Games becomes Coinflips.
Garbage teams. Trash kids ruin the game and riot does absolutely nothing about it. Play like a god, or int, it doesn't matter : if you get the right team, you win, if you get the team with r%%%%%ed kids feeding and trolling, you lose. 100% riot's fault.
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