: Which MM are good right now?
He's is OP as fuck!!!!
: Being tryhard is one thing but acting cocky as well?
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: > [{quoted}](name=Birdfcker,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TA6n2LBt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-06T15:03:45.329+0000) > > get unlimited internet Not everyone has that ability...
come live in the Netherlands everybody got unlimited here. There is no option not to LOL
Uvec (EUNE)
: "Fun" is a subjective term and I'll tell you that camille is absolute fucking cancer to play against, moreso than any wukong.
: Akali's release was 8 patches ago. About 4 months ago. Do you really think it takes people 4 months to learn a champion?
akali is a pretty hard champion if you watch her winrate in master and challenger it's 70%. In low elo its very low because of the diffuculty of the champion.
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-29T10:27:50.515+0000) > > if you look up her overall win rate it's lower then you think For the 607th time. Low Winrate =/= Not Broken. Akali is being nerfed despite her 43% winrate. She literally has the lowest winrate of all mid laners and yet she is being nerfed. Wanna know why? Cuz she's broken. We can try to reach a perfect 50% winrate on old AP Yi, old Sion, old Galio, old Poppy, w/e but they'll still be broken designs. We can make a champion that has no other abilities other than a single click target spell that instantly oneshots and twiddle around with cooldown numbers, base stats, w.e until it hits 50% winrate but it will never not be broken. It's entirely possible to balance a broken champion. But no amount of numerical balance will fix a broken design.
every new/reworked champion always starts with a low winrate that has nothing to do with this.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T5czU72i,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T13:30:05.431+0000) > > his pick rate is saying something else 1. his pick rate is better than almost half the champions in silver. :S 2. His one trick stats are what you are looking for to draw conclusions in this case. 3. Trying to help a man/woman out and you are kinda derailing the topic :3
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=000000000000000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T13:16:59.093+0000) > > first of all i sad 90% and second 7 times in a day, weak, month? same span camille got 450 games. I think it was a week in euw servers, not sure, i never use op.gg for stats because it has to be 1 region only. Point is you can draw some stats and conclusions from 450 masters games but not from 7 games, I'm pretty sure you won't disagree.
i agree but remember it's preseason everbody pick what he like's all challenger and masters will get reset to master 0 lp in a few days becasue of grandmaster why would you give a fuck about your lp if you can just play a fun champ like camille.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T5czU72i,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-11-29T13:25:35.557+0000) > > 10. never play wukong that guy sucks xD not really. For that elo wukong is great. You can onetrick him and you are set for top mid and jungle. You think adcs in silver 5 can kite a wukong?
his pick rate is saying something else
Saezio (EUNE)
: OK, if you want some tips here it goes. 1. Play early game champions (half the games someone just afks/trolls/ints if they don't have the lead early) 2. Play mid or jungle or a split pusher top. Stay away from tanks and teamfighters, you want strong 1v1 2v2 champs 3. Stick to 2-3 champions MAXIMUM. Its better to play your onetrick jax mid instead of trying the OP flavor of the month. 4. ALWAYS KEEP TRACK OF WAVES. 5. Towers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kills 6. Ward shit when you are pushing and ALWAYS assume ALL the ? people are half a screen away. 7. When you are laning in silver, you never need to make the play, let them fuck up their play and counter then. Never tower dive, just find some gold somewhere, if they have to recall its as good as like 150g. 8. Never give stuff to the team (buffs etc) 9. NEVER TYPE ANYTHING. use pings instead. Only type if the whole team seems friendly and you are already winning.
10. never play wukong that guy sucks
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=0000000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2018-11-29T13:03:50.358+0000) > > so if a champion got a 90% winrate but a pick rate of 1% he doens't deserve a nerf? Well let me put it this way. Trundle has 85,7% winrate in masters. Pretty OP right? well he was played in 7 games overall. You tell me if that 85% means shit or not
first of all i sad 90% and second 7 times in a day, weak, month?
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T13:06:30.150+0000) > > i'm just reading what op.gg is saying > > ps. "Enjoy the rest of your day, I'm out." camile is 4th most played in all masters games with a 61% winrate. (according to OP.GG, you should swap for lolalytics way more informative btw, you can't filter shit in op.gg or even look at pick rates xD) And 1% is not as small as you might think. 1% is way higher than some champions actual pick rate in challenger.
My site has always bin champion.gg and op.gg. Every site is saying something different. You cant trust 1 site and think its accurate. Do you see that more often "is not as small as you might think".
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T11:48:29.326+0000) > > i play for fun in ranked i wound't play lee if it wasn't for fun i could play a rummes vs a full ad team but i pref to play lee just for fun. And i think way more people think like this. i would not pick a tahm kench top even if it had a 90% win rate and remember camille is still at place 77 at winrate's in callenger so if we all gonna look at it that way a lot of champions needs a nerf. SHE RANKS 2 at MASTER+ CHAMPIONS WHAT THE FUCK IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE PICK RATES NOT JUST WIN RATES. HERE http://prntscr.com/loie8t
i'm just reading what op.gg is saying ps. "Enjoy the rest of your day, I'm out."
saltran (EUW)
: Now look at the pickrate genius
so if a champion got a 90% winrate but a pick rate of 1% he doens't deserve a nerf?
saltran (EUW)
: >Camille still has a negative winrate in the jungle at plat+ level 50.01% winrate at 11.0% pickrate on plat+ only jng https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Camille/
This site is telling me somthing different. https://champion.gg/statistics/
: >. i say its still a strong champ even in diamond, master and challnger. And i say you're wrong and only base your opinion on stat. But anyone (ask any jungler mains or top mains) played beyond diamond know know Wukong is trash.
At my other account i play in low diamond and i frequently still see him there. I dont think he is beyond broken but riot is looking at stats and i think they have a point there.
Zardo (NA)
: The 3 AS Nerf is more meaningful than you may think. It'll hurt jg Camille's clear speed without affecting top Camille( which isn't anywhere near broken ATM)
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T11:34:02.827+0000) > > He played it in the TCS to and that championship is about 50,000 euro's so i think he would probably pick somthing good and he facing challengers 90% of the time and gues what he won with a fat score. And you are g5 so it really should not matter to you. What the fuck is TCS? That tyler 1 series? I hope you are joking. ( btw you understand you are talking about 1 game right?) You think 50k is money to NB? Probably makes that per video. Rank shaming is always fun but maybe next time check how long since I played a non-ARAM game, sport. One thing that does not lie is hard stats. You have been coming at me with fucking cutesy sentences that contain 0 evidence about anything. Enjoy the rest of your day, I'm out. P.S. last question: What was wukongs presence in worlds and LCS this last season? And what was camile? I bet camile is at least 50x wukongs presence.
Raoul (EUW)
: Camille is a Champion they want in LCS. She does the Skill outplay moves that RIOT wants to show the world as a representation of their game, she flashy, fast and looks super fun to play. Wukong is a Champion that is more about one engage. Thats boring to watch. That makes people think the game might be boring. RIOT is balancing around this for years. They want to keep Flashy Champions on the top and boring champions down.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Oh and i guess people ban her because they don't want the enemy to have fun. Also next time, try not to come back with a generic sentence that really proves nothing. So she has such a humongus win rate because she is fun... Either come at me with stats, or GTFO.
Uni3489 (NA)
: Aaaaannnnnd, clearly, you missed the entire point of this guys post. No one actually cares if a champion has a fun kit, as long as they win. Everything is point and click? Who tf cares they still play Garen, Yi, Warwick, literally every ADC, because they win games. If you are playing ranked, and are higher than bronze 1, you are probably not playing JUST to play a fun game. At the very least, I have never seen more than 1 or 2 people with that mentality a season. No one gives a care in the world about how fun a champion is; they care if they win games. Wukong top's pickrate is so abysmally low that if he didn't have a good winrate than it would be an anomaly. The reason Camille's winrate + pickrate is where it is does not have anything to do with how fun it is. High pickrate + winrate means that a champion is broken e.g. Lucian, Camille, and Urgot.
i play for fun in ranked i wound't play lee if it wasn't for fun i could play a rummes vs a full ad team but i pref to play lee just for fun. And i think way more people think like this. i would not pick a tahm kench top even if it had a 90% win rate and remember camille is still at place 77 at winrate's in callenger so if we all gonna look at it that way a lot of champions needs a nerf.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T11:17:37.065+0000) > > When his pick rate is low doen't mean a champion isn't good. Maybe a lot of people think he is op but just boring to play so they rather pick somthing else. If i watch some challenger jungler's i still see they pick wukong from time to time. Nightblue still picks him often and thinks he is really strong to this meta No it means the champ is not op. Check the top played champs. When jax is good every fucker plays him, is he fun to play? NOPE but he is easy and strong. If wukong was strong (since he is already easy) people would pick him or at least ban him. He is just bad in high elo. Wukong is only good in low elo because people are bad there and the easy champions (yi garen darius etc) can dominate even if they are really trash because you just make less mistakes with them. As for nightblue, lets see his op.gg on main account and count ranked wukong games.... Oh 1 game. Don't let the YT videos fool you, those are not even ranked games by NB3, he is just destroying his viewers so he can later say "Riot WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THIS CHAMP IS SO BUSTEDDDD"
He played it in the TCS to and that championship is about 50,000 euro's so i think he would probably pick somthing good and he facing challengers 90% of the time and gues what he won with a fat score. And you are g5 so it really should not matter to you.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-29T11:10:02.404+0000) > > Camille still has a negative winrate in the jungle at plat+ level. because of the challenger picks she will get a small nerf but overall she isnt performing that good. OK, stop announcing winrates without giving the pick rates as well. A champ with 49% winrate and 50% pick/ban presence in challenger is easily more broken than a 53% winrate with 1% pick/ban rate. the champs with low pick rates SHOULD have higher winrates because the one tricks are such a huge part of that 1% picking the champ. Camile in diamond has 51,5% winrate WHILE having 20% pick rate and 30%+ ban rate. (thus, everyone and their mothers are playing her and doing good with her) Wukong has 52,3% winrate BUT has a 2,7% pick rate and a 0,5% ban rate. (so pretty much only dedicated players play him) Now lets see one trick camile vs wukong stats... oh wait camile is a full 6% higher winrate than wukong and she is one tricked more.
Camille has a way more fun kit. So people play her way more often then a wukong who only got point to click abilty's.
: take pickrate in account. really want to know why this board and riot are so attached to wr ??? it dosnt show the state of a champion.
maybe there will be a rework later. But when i champ has low pick rate as i sad it's possible that the champ is just really boring to play for a lot of people
: Correction, she's not broken in your elo. Wukong is good in low elo, but this pick is a joke when you reach diamond (i would even argue the pick is meh in plat). The nerf of Camille is overrated cause everyone keep parroting "its a big nerf". No, its not, not on her. Same as the -3AD wasnt enough for Graves (still very contested in high elo)
Still i dont see graves that often after that nerf. and i dont say wukong is broken. i say its still a strong champ even in diamond, master and challnger. Camille is to, i admit the nerfs could be some more but that doesn't mean wukong is a weak champion.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T11:06:52.669+0000) > > Wukong got a 53.44% winrate in the top lane. He is the second best preforming top laner. And got a 51% win rate in the jungle. This is one of the season's why he is getting nerfed So masters players are trash and don't know what all is about that is why he has less than 0.5% pick rate. If you compare that to anything compare it to onetricks of other champions.
When his pick rate is low doen't mean a champion isn't good. Maybe a lot of people think he is op but just boring to play so they rather pick somthing else. If i watch some challenger jungler's i still see they pick wukong from time to time. Nightblue still picks him often and thinks he is really strong to this meta
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-29T10:27:50.515+0000) > > I think camille isn't broken. And a 3% nerf isn't as bad as it seems. her clear will be slower in the jgl and that result in less ganks. Wukong skills super well with dark harvest lately so he will be nerfed because he can abuse it so well. Camille got some nice abilty's but if you look up her overall win rate it's lower then you think LOL are you mental? Check every challenger jungler season 8 stats with camille in any fucking region. Her pick and win rates are disgusting. Wukong is nerfed because he is easy to play, has a low ceiling that gets reached by maybe high gold and babies like to cry because they lose to easy champs. Same reason garen can never be relevant for more than a month, he will be gutted as he was. The thing is none can play camile pre diamond 3 or so. And that is why low elo doesn't cry about her.
Camille still has a negative winrate in the jungle at plat+ level. because of the challenger picks she will get a small nerf but overall she isnt performing that good.
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T10:57:38.161+0000) > > dark harvest already recieved some nerfs. And wukong is a strong champion atm and doesn't require a lot of skill. He is doing really good lately. and with the new dark harvest he is even stronger. how the fuck can you say wukong is strong, oh yeah you have 0 wukong games. thats how. wukong is only good if you complain about his EAAQ and you don't punish his 15 sec cds when he does that. and in the jungle hes just garbage, get invades 24/7.
Wukong got a 53.44% winrate in the top lane. He is the second best preforming top laner. And got a 51% win rate in the jungle. This is one of the reason's why he is getting nerfed
: > [{quoted}](name=iiTim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9oXgJ5Oj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-29T10:27:50.515+0000) > > I think camille isn't broken. And a 3% nerf isn't as bad as it seems. her clear will be slower in the jgl and that result in less ganks. Wukong skills super well with dark harvest lately so he will be nerfed because he can abuse it so well. Camille got some nice abilty's but if you look up her overall win rate it's lower then you think dark harvest is broken, so wukong will be nerfed. bruh, your logic is amazing.
dark harvest already recieved some nerfs. And wukong is a strong champion atm and doesn't require a lot of skill. He is doing really good lately. and with the new dark harvest he is even stronger.
: About the new dark harvest
There are already a lot of toppics about this. You can take a look and read what they all think of the new dark harvest
: So Camille who's been broken for the whole season, get's -3%AS nerf...
I think camille isn't broken. And a 3% nerf isn't as bad as it seems. her clear will be slower in the jgl and that result in less ganks. Wukong skills super well with dark harvest lately so he will be nerfed because he can abuse it so well. Camille got some nice abilty's but if you look up her overall win rate it's lower then you think
: Top lane is hell
You mention supports but the only support in your message is pyke. And pyke already recieved some nerfs this season. And he isn't being played really frequently in the top lane since i only saw him maybe 3 times top after his release. About the other 2 champs you mention (rengar and jayce). There winrate top is pretty low already. Maybe they just counterd you champ or your opponent is just slidly better in the game then you are. If those's champs really were OP top lane they would be played much more frequently.
: I thought season 8 was bad.
I saw you were the adc of the game its likly to get 1 shot by a really fed person. Dark harvest aready recieved so hard nerfs. And the gold bounty's are pretty high but remember its still preseason a lot can change. Some people really like the change of bounty's that you really get rewarded for killing a fed enemy. And the bounty's for the first tower. isn't really getting way higher you just get more rewarded for early pressure.
: 2 Week Ban
First of all that master yi if he leaved he would defenitly had a leaverbustur and maybe something more. And if you play support that totally doesn't mean you can not get any honors. I play support sometimes and i honord 50% of the time. And if you are honor lvl 0 it isn't that hard to get back to lvl 1. Just try not to flame (even if they deserve it). Just try to get the honor for the most sportsman like player. if you get only a 1 honor in 1 a 2 games you will be back to honor lvl 1 in no time.
Yenn (NA)
: There's a major problem with post-10 minute turret plating
I get your frustrating. But riot is trying to put some more pressure at the early game. So the jungler isn't just farming till lvl 6. Or the midlaner is just trying to stay in lane picking up some farm. I think this is a great change and i really rewards a great gank early or a good midlaner roam. And if there are 4 people bot lane they will get 40 gold for each layer. I dont think that is a "fuckton of gold".
Yenn (NA)
: Mid laners are taking Smite again, good job Rito
I dont see the problem from this. I think that slide early experience lead isn't affecting your game at all. They have to walk around the whole game with smite for that early lvl 2. i think you get way more pressure with a ignite for example. I wouldn't mind if the enemy opponent took smite over ignite. And btw riot is already nerfing Aatrox dmg to monsters next patch. So you have nothing to worry about.
: How about lowering the cost of Ward Skins?
I understand what you mean. But a quick reminder you get some out of chest and rewards and i dont need 20 diffrent ward skins. I would like it a lot more if some emote's get a lower rp cost or just cost BE.
: Why do tanks not work anymore? Overkill damage.
I think the problem is in your teamcomp. I would not pick 3 tank's into 5 dmg because maybe you can absorp a lot but eventually they will kill you because your team does way less dmg. You should take 1 maybe 2 tanks in your teamcomb and just try to frontline for your damge dealers. I think tank's are still pretty op. I mean somebody like a poppy orn or rammus will still 1 v 1 a lot of dmg dealers in a lot of casses.
: Thank you Riot
I hate when people say that the game has become "shit" or sucks these day's. Dude if you think it sucks what are you doing here go play bo4 or something don't bother us. I think still the majority of people think this game is becoming better and better. Changes aren't always bad just keep that in mind.

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