GoDTroX 1v9 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=kargish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iv6foPUg,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-04-13T22:06:32.647+0000) > > Uh... and the combined mmr of the enemy team was estimated to be gold 4. If they were on a losing streak, and their mmr was down with OP's, then they'd be estimated to be silver 3 regardless of their gold 4 rank. > > The point is you're pinning a silver 3 average MMR team against a gold 4 average MMR team. It does not show mmr as you think, it shows average rank.
kargish (EUW)
in > Fair matchmaking
> [{quoted}](name=GoDTroX 1v9,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iv6foPUg,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-04-13T22:10:55.026+0000) > > It does not show mmr as you think, it shows average rank. You are aware that combining 2x gold IV, 1x silve I and 2x unranked could in no reality give an average rank of gold IV right?
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GoDTroX 1v9 (EUNE)
: Yeah, all you see is average rank, but what you don't see is mmr, matchmaking is based on mmr not on ranks, those gold 4's might be on losing strike and have bad mmr, so they are placed to play against you. You should play ranked flex to see the the big difference in ranks and maybe in mmr too, in flex silver can play against plats, and gold can play against dias, but it's funny that they can't que together, so i would never suggest to play flex and expect balanced matchmaking, In solo/duo its kinda balanced, not always but most of the times. Mmr is purely defined on wins and loses, so if you hit losing strike you may have lower mmr than your rank and have low lp gains and big lp loses, but if you are on winning strikes your mmr might be higher than your rank and your lp gain will increase and but lp losses decrease. The best way to know your mmr is through your lp gain, it tells you how good your mmr is, for dia+ this might be incorrect and its because of Rito, they are trying to fix it, but currently we don't know when it's gonna be fixed.
kargish (EUW)
in > Fair matchmaking
> [{quoted}](name=GoDTroX 1v9,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iv6foPUg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-13T19:06:44.521+0000) > > Yeah, all you see is average rank, but what you don't see is mmr, matchmaking is based on mmr not on ranks, those gold 4's might be on losing strike and have bad mmr, so they are placed to play against you. Uh... and the combined mmr of the enemy team was estimated to be gold 4. If they were on a losing streak, and their mmr was down with OP's, then they'd be estimated to be silver 3 regardless of their gold 4 rank. The point is you're pinning a silver 3 average MMR team against a gold 4 average MMR team.
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TwillieTheFirst (NA)
: Monthly Reminder That Twisted Treeline is a Stain on League of Legends
kargish (EUW)
in > Monthly Reminder That Twisted Treeline is a Stain on League of Legends
If 5v5 and ARAM becomes the only maps for LoL I'll just uninstall
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Mullaous (NA)
: We'll all be holding our breath waiting for u to hit rank 1 i'm sure. Since clearly you've mastered this skilless game.
kargish (EUW)
in > Patch 9.4 in a nutshell. Frustrating champions edition.
That is not what he said. He said mastering a champion's kit requires very little effort, and that's completely true, but learning proper macro gameplay is what's hard. Once you master that, however, you can practically pick up any champion and climb with them. This is why a lot of challengers can swap between meta champions very quickly.
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Destaice (NA)
: They weren’t warned for banning mains. They were warned because they banned five support champions because “haha girls only play support.” It was incredibly obvious and lying about it like this makes you part of the problem.
kargish (EUW)
in > Okay a pro team was warned for "discriminating" females by banning their mains but
> [{quoted}](name=Destaice,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLix7OtV,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-02-23T09:34:02.483+0000) > > They weren’t warned for banning mains. They were warned because they banned five support champions because “haha girls only play support.” It was incredibly obvious and lying about it like this makes you part of the problem. My man they were 5 support MAINS, is it disrespect to ban somebody's main champion now?
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Okay a pro team was warned for "discriminating" females by banning their mains but
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kargish (EUW)
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Hammermancer (NA)
: I think fishbones is a repentent darkin, and jinx is still crazy tho
kargish (EUW)
in > I think fishbones is a repentent darkin, and jinx is still crazy tho
League community *Sees weapon* "IT'S A DARKIN!"
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vladiq (EUW)
: URF Montage 2019 - Best AR URF Moments
kargish (EUW)
in > URF Montage 2019 - Best AR URF Moments
Oh boy it's the exact same champions as the other ARURF montages stretching 3 years back!
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Cry of the Celts (EUW)
: -5 ms incoming {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
kargish (EUW)
in > where is yasuo nerf after 9.3 critic items buff?
Btw I love that band
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Abibyama II (EUW)
: Riot has released more music content than video games
kargish (EUW)
in > Riot has released more music content than video games
Riot Records is officially the new name
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Moonscourge (EUW)
: The reworks have been widely successful in modernizing the playstyles. They were extremely binary before, int eh case of aatrox he was downright trash and impossible to balance.
kargish (EUW)
in > What a catastrophy the latest champion reworks have been
And what is he now? All his power is put into his Q, which was possible to hit people with due to E, and that has now been lowered to 1 charge instead of 2. Downright thrash and impossible to balance is what he is currently. Also, all the modenization in Irelia's kit has been removed now. She's back to being a dashing auto attacker with a bit of CC. The only difference now is that she traded her true damage for magic damage and attack speed, and her tenacity is now in the form of physical damage reduction.
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What a catastrophy the latest champion reworks have been
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kargish (EUW)
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Z3Sleeper (NA)
: Give up 240 **+40% AD** single target damage for 220 AoE damage. The combo is already drastic overkill so losing out on 20 **+40% AD** in favor of more healing, a cleanse and more AoE damage is worth it. (Q grants 40% AS anyway so don't go including 100% bATK dmg in RQ as if it's a free extra 100% AD. W gives the burst instantaneously while simply going R Q Tiamat Auto weaves an extra auto in in the same time you'd be able to R Q Q Tiamat) Trust me, that Ashe isn't surviving a Ult + QW anyway. Plus you will NEVER have time to even double Q OR auto if there's a competent team around that'll instantly CC you during/after the jump.
kargish (EUW)
in > The Yasuo Lie
Do you realise it's an auto attack enhancer and therefore automatically have a 1.0 AD ratio added? Ah but yeah you're correct, it's not 240+AD*1.3, it's 240+AD*1.4, further adding to the damage sacrifice. I don't need to trust you on anything, I've otp Rengar since his release in 2012, I am well aware what he can and cannot do. Getting off double Q is easy, but if your claim is that it won't happen because your target is surrounded by the enemy team, then do you honestly believe that 1 QSS when building 0 defensive items will save you? Because if you want to get even remotely close to one shotting a squishy with Q+E+W alone, you need old {{item:3147}}, pre-nerfed {{item:3095}} and at least 2 levels advantage. Currently you can delete someone at around 60%-70% hp with Q+E+W, if they have no defensives and you're full AD.
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Z3Sleeper (NA)
: While also healing 75% of all damage taken and cleansing themselves {{champion:107}}
kargish (EUW)
in > The Yasuo Lie
But then you realise using said cleanse and 50% heal means you have to give up 240+1.3*AD damage.
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wolvius (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=kargish,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eL0a4Owy,comment-id=000b00010000,timestamp=2019-02-03T21:49:04.002+0000) > > Go ahead and name me the latest champion released with true damage. Oh wait you don't have to, because I will do it for you. > {{champion:164}} was the last champion released with true damage, and that was back in 2016. > > Yes Conqueror is a stupid keystone, it has been said a million times now, but don't act like that's what you meant when you said true damage, and then specifically talk about Vayne and IE, and that item is getting changed in 3 days. {{champion:142}} E bonus dmage,November 21st, 2017 {{champion:555}} Ult damage below threshold is true damage and also ignores shields, May 31st, 2018 {{champion:517}} potentially If he steals garen,chogath,darius,pyke etc ults
kargish (EUW)
in > True damage
{{champion:142}} I'll give you this one but the true damage porportion is rather insignificant. {{champion:555}} Pyke's ult is not true damage, it's an execute and it's a category of its own. {{champion:517}} Has no true damage in his kit baseline. For him to have true damage, you need to have true damage yourself.
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Puffin Chucker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kargish,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eL0a4Owy,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-02-02T22:28:43.288+0000) > > You should change the title to "Vayne". The post has no other context. No, I used Vayne as an example because she is the main culprit but I talking about everyone who can now get a large amount of their damage done as true damage now. Like most ad top laners and ad junglers who feel like building conquer, and all adc's that want to build infinity edge. My point is, if you read my post, that champions don't have to deviate from their preferred build path to counter a tank. It makes tanks far less useful.
kargish (EUW)
in > True damage
Go ahead and name me the latest champion released with true damage. Oh wait you don't have to, because I will do it for you. {{champion:164}} was the last champion released with true damage, and that was back in 2016. Yes Conqueror is a stupid keystone, it has been said a million times now, but don't act like that's what you meant when you said true damage, and then specifically talk about Vayne and IE, and that item is getting changed in 3 days.
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Puffin Chucker (NA)
: True damage
kargish (EUW)
in > True damage
You should change the title to "Vayne". The post has no other context.
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RivenOnlyPlease (OCE)
: Make ARURF RANDOM its not fucking random
kargish (EUW)
in > Make ARURF RANDOM its not fucking random
I have yet to receive {{champion:32}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:79}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:20}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:516}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:498}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:154}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:143}} in urf
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DorkunedAuras (NA)
: It just sounded partially like AP yi, but I don't think Highlander cared about AP at all.
kargish (EUW)
in > Game: Change a Champ's role by reworking one ability
Alpha Strike CD wasn't reduced by auto attacks back then
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DorkunedAuras (NA)
: You weren't around for AP Yi, were you
kargish (EUW)
in > Game: Change a Champ's role by reworking one ability
What do you think I based that comment off?
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iiGazeii (NA)
: Game: Change a Champ's role by reworking one ability
kargish (EUW)
in > Game: Change a Champ's role by reworking one ability
{{champion:11}} now has a 100% AP scaling on Q and Highlander grants an additional 1% attack speed for every 10 AP while active.
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xXDiddimsXx (OCE)
: ur so dumb he has a cc remove/heal that he gets for free after he one shots someone, and what adc builds zhonyas? kai sa maybe but what about others like cait or xayah? fool
kargish (EUW)
in > Watching Rengar 100 to 0 my ADC in 0.2 seconds, before my abilities even reach him, feels amazing
Such an uneducated respond. Do you have any idea how Rengar works at all? QSS+heal is a choice which costs a significant amount of burst damage. Burst damage that you likely need in order to eliminate someone.
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Amateratsu (NA)
: Kha’zix doesn’t compare, if Kha’zix Jumps on you in a group he’s straight inting due to how hard his damage falls off without isolation (unless you and that group space too far or are all low) but rengar has no fall off if there are more than one hence why this post is here. Kha’zix is scary if you are splitting as a squishy and rengar is scary regardless of number.
kargish (EUW)
in > Watching Rengar 100 to 0 my ADC in 0.2 seconds, before my abilities even reach him, feels amazing
I feel like we need to move beyond the point of the oneshot here. The point was that Kha'zix has an escape after an assassination attempt, even if he doesn't make the kill, as his ult allows him to sneak away even without being evolved. Rengar dies, straight up.
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Aimléss (NA)
: I can't breath, I almost drowned in the bias. I can dodge most assassins abilities including Zed and Fizz and they give me some time to respond. It's hilarious that the ones with actual STEALTH somehow are the ones with the undodgeable abilities and the shortest amount of time to respond. {{champion:107}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:121}} What are we doing Riot???
kargish (EUW)
in > Watching Rengar 100 to 0 my ADC in 0.2 seconds, before my abilities even reach him, feels amazing
You didn't respond to my question though. Fizz ult can indeed be dodged, but the point is does Fizz, Zed, LB and the others give you more or less time to react? Does Fizz screaming 'SHARK' give you more counterplay options than being given a glowing warning above your head way before the leap? Does it matter that you dodge Zed's Q's if you die to auto+E+elec+dusk+ignite anyway, which is also instant damage? And what about these champs {{champion:38}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:28}} you mentioned nothing about. What makes Rengar a special case? What about his non-existant escape that all the above has minus Shaco and Kayn?
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Tormentula (NA)
: I wouldn't even care about his whole one shot bullshit, if he didn't have one of the most overloaded kits for an assassin to back it up. Mainly, why does his W have a fucking cleanse and grey health mechanic.. seriously why the fuck is there a cleanse mechanic and an instant grey health heal on an assassin???? At least if I fucking catch kha'zix or he jumps in on me in a teamfight, he's gunna die and not ignore everything thrown at him. Even talon you can see coming a mile away and then CC him the moment he jumps.. not rengar tho he gets a cleanse! Hell you can't even 100-0 him back since he can go bruiser due to his passive giving him more damage then he needs with a lead and heal half his health back while reverse one shotting you.
kargish (EUW)
in > Watching Rengar 100 to 0 my ADC in 0.2 seconds, before my abilities even reach him, feels amazing
That is because Rengar is not an assassin. Becoming tanky or dealing burst damage is a choice for Rengar, he can't do both at the same time. Sure if he saves both W's for survivability he can shrug off a lot of damage, but go ahead and post me 1 video clip of a Rengar that one shots someone with only base Q and E without being 5 levels ahead. Should he instead sacrifice his W for damage and to gain 4 ferocity, he's still not in a position where he'll one shot anyone, but now has the choice to do so with an empowered Q. Also, where is the escape on Rengar that Kha'zix has?
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Yenn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qrpqfOhE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-31T06:25:21.087+0000) > > But but. If assassins have counterplay how will they be able to assassin :c > > In all honesty fuck this entire class The problem here is that other assassins need to make some decision on how to approach the target unseen, when to go in, and then they have some sort of combo that makes them take more than 0.2 seconds to kill. Rengar literally just runs directly into them and instantly kills them from fairly long range, without giving enough time to respond, and without having to worry about reaching the target unseen. He's basically an idiot-proof assassin.
kargish (EUW)
in > Watching Rengar 100 to 0 my ADC in 0.2 seconds, before my abilities even reach him, feels amazing
You're plat 1 you should be able to figure this out mate. Wanna know what seperates {{champion:107}}{{champion:28}} from {{champion:105}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:238}}? It's that Rengar and Eve actually grants you a warning that you're about to be eaten. The others just make it happen. Why is Rengar a special case when Kayn comes out of a wall with 700 ms, Kha'zix runs at you with true stealth and resetable leaps or LeBlanc points and clicks you down from range. But not only do the latter just one shot you, they can also escape the fight straight after (besides Kayn and Shaco). What is the counter to Zed's 2-hit one shot R, Fizz' shark, Kayn's AoE burst, Kha'zix' uptime and Kassadin's unkiteability. Is the answer {{item:3157}}? Because that applies to Rengar's burst as well. What about {{summoner:4}} then? Also applies to Rengar as you'll avoid E, W and ferocity burst by creating distance.
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AirKingNeo (NA)
: Malphite was always building tank.
kargish (EUW)
in > IMO 9.2 made the game pacing so much better & was a good patch overall.
{{champion:54}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3165}} {{item:3285}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3907}} hello there
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Critmaster Garen (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Elohaven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=euIcEbI8,comment-id=00110000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-30T05:07:02.612+0000) > > Her E has clear mechanical counterplay. > You can stay out of an angle towards a wall for her E and block the ability with an item or an ability. > > You can CC her or kite out her range. ccing her implies a targeted ranged cc ability. only very few champions have this in their kits. its not counterplay that is inherent to vaynes kit. you cant kite out of her range, because she gains bonus movement speed on you when you try. she also has ranged auto attacks, and short cooldown mobility. how do you propose a melee champion like {{champion:77}} kites in and out of 550 + tumble range auto attack range before she landed 3 attacks on you? i want you to realize how impossible it is to kite in and out of her attack range to drop the stacks. she isnt a slow melee champion like darius who only has his base movement speed and 175 attack range to work with. > You can slow her. Slowing a Vayne destroys them. if you have a slow ability or a slow item and get into melee range of her. how do you do that when she has her e? how would it affect her, if she can stil disengage on you with her e despite being slowed? again, this is specific to the champion youre playing. > Her Q+stealth has mechanical counterplay since it requires autos from her to be efficient. LFMAO do you even understand what mechanical counterplay is? its something that is in your control and not entirely in vaynes control. > Use this knowledge to force her to stay out of stealth. you cant force her out of stealth. it has a fixed duration. > Her W has mechanical counterplay since it requires 3 autos to proc. Thus, you can prevent that or shield yourself to play against it. You can also heal yourself. Autos can be reduced through armor+damage significantly. it is literally impossible to kite in and out of her auto attack range before she gets 3 attacks (2 with rageblade) off. heals and shields just extend your health bar. they dont specifically counter her w. which champion in this game has a shield that he can proc every single second in the rythm of vaynes w proc? > Vayne's Attack Speed can be reduced through items. a little, yes. its a counterbuild i give you that. but its not very effective, since she can artificially increase her attack speed with q auto attack resets. > ADCs trade a lot of survivability for auto-attacks which do not have mechanical counterplay. That's the point of ADCs. High DPS machines that you need to mow down. when im talking about mechanical counterplay, im talking about a weakness in vaynes kit that you can play around no matter the champion youre playing yourself. if melee carries need to be designed around having mechanical counterplay in their kits, then ranged carries should be held to the same design standarts. since their range grants them already higher reliability through target access and frontloaded damage, they need to be held to even higher standarts. the fact that they arent is the reason why the class is so toxic and so hard to balance. skillshot abilities for example have mechanical counterplay. you can dodge them. it doesnt matter which champion youre playing. every champion in the game can sidestep a skillshot ability. fioras vitals have mechanical counterplay. no matter which champion in the game youre playing, you can position yourself to hide vitals inside walls and protect them from being being attacked by fiora. urgots shotgun legs have mechanical counterplay. no matter which champion youre playing, you can outposition him in a way, where he doesnt get more than a single leg proc on you by moving so you face the same side of his hitbox while fighting him. vayne has no such element in her kit, except for the stun on her e. the problem is, the stun happens to be attached to a direct target displacement that you still take even when she misses the stun itself.
kargish (EUW)
in > silver bolts should work like wuju style
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=euIcEbI8,comment-id=001100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-30T05:55:25.337+0000) > > > if melee carries need to be designed around having mechanical counterplay in their kits, then ranged carries should be held to the same design standarts. since their range grants them already higher reliability through target access and frontloaded damage, they need to be held to even higher standarts. Agreed. The majority of melees are heavily dependant on landing their kit to be effective, though often the reward is also significant {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:64}} etc. Ranged carries aren't restricted to this and the only real criteria for them is to be alive and in range to be at full effectiveness. It's one of the reasons why I consider {{champion:202}} to be among the best designed marksmen. There are multiple ways to reduce his effectiveness, by either preventing Q from increasing in damage through positioning, or dodging his most potent long ranged abilities. Not to mention that Jhin gives you plenty of opportunity to decide if you want to keep up the fight, or disengage before he executes a lethal fourth shot, after which he's vulnerable.
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Bouncemaster Zac (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Brambleback,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yzdjh2AY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-28T08:59:21.290+0000) > > Mastery Emote 7 Yasuo Skin It's literally just the Mastery 7 emote but with Yasuo's ponytail and Katana.
kargish (EUW)
in > I Am Carlos asked us what memes to kill for skins
And when he uses Last Breath on someone the mastery 7 emote is spammed repeatadly around the enemy
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MTFN Azor (EUW)
: then she'll need compensation buffs elsewhere, which no one wants either. truth is though, she's trash atm. and i fail to see what people will agree on concerning her aspects that should be buffed..
kargish (EUW)
in > This shouldn't had taken this long
According to Rito they might remove her heal on Q and then compensate that portion. Tower immunity is going with no compensation.
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Ionian Vulpix (NA)
: I understand the design philosophy behind Pyke was an Assassin Support
kargish (EUW)
in > I understand the design philosophy behind Pyke was an Assassin Support
The idea is not bad Imo he's simply overtuned. Heals too much and does too much damage. Also, hooks are never useless. Ever.
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LTK KoRo (EUW)
: You can also buy a better barrier with Archangels, better heal with Redemption and better Ghost with Righteous Glory. Summoners aren't supposed to be better than items. Cleanse is actually better than QSS when it comes to removing non-suppression cc just because you don't need to invest said 1300 gold AND an item slot. That's huge. There's a reason why in pro play everyone takes Cleanse vs lissandra instead of buying QSS.
kargish (EUW)
in > Cleanse is still a lesser Quick Silver Sash and it makes me sad
However, that item slot gets spent on an item that provides stats just like your what you normally would fill it out with. The trade is minor compared to the fact that picking {{summoner:1}} means you have to give it up for one of these {{summoner:3}} {{summoner:7}} {{summoner:14}} {{summoner:21}} {{summoner:12}}
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This shouldn't had taken this long
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kargish (EUW)
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HyperNaut (NA)
: I just don't get why RIOT has never decided to simply REMOVE a mechanic from Yasuo
kargish (EUW)
in > I just don't get why RIOT has never decided to simply REMOVE a mechanic from Yasuo
Can't you guys just let Yasuo be Yasuo and then we can go ahead and make his windwall have a 0.25 sec duration and never increase in width. Then even that skill would be somewhat skillful.
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Qivu (EUW)
: 'as a diamond player' as if that means anything lul
kargish (EUW)
in > As a diamond player, I can fully say that if you do the following things you'll get places.
That's top 2% mate
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I have a feeling this one is coming soon
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kargish (EUW)
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Lexy123 (EUNE)
: As someone who plays a lot of Shaco and needs that lv3 to gank this change hurts me a lot, and because Tiamat got nerfed it is even worse, however I have to say 2 things about this change: -It is not all that bad, level 2 junglers have become so important you know they will gank you. Thus warding mid river bush at 1:20 has become a norm for midlaners, which in turn helps me and allows me to adapt my clear, countergank and know the position of the enemy jungler at all times in the early game. -It will slow down junglers, that is a bad thing for me as someone who plays a lot of jungle, but I think that it is good for a game to slow down a bit, it might also help tank junglers that were slower to actualy get a bit meta. On the other hand Shaco is hit by Tiamat nerf, ignite nerf, jungle exp nerf, crit item reverts, FUUUUUUU Rito for constantly shitting on my main.
kargish (EUW)
in > The Eternal Jungle Changes
Hey man at least Rev3 confirmed that Shaco is on the tier 1 VGU list
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Moody P (NA)
: do i play warwick? no? then i'm not interested
kargish (EUW)
in > SOME PLACE MALICIOUS AND WAY MORE METAL
Aka anything that's not a Volibear rework is not of interest, and even that is not of interest?
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Moody P (NA)
: nothing you've said is accurate Voli new lore is ass and Riot hasn't made a rework in ~3 years that interested me. Keep hands off my main
kargish (EUW)
in > SOME PLACE MALICIOUS AND WAY MORE METAL
{{champion:19}} hello?
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I Melt You (NA)
: ADCs and Unbalance in the Game
kargish (EUW)
in > ADCs and Unbalance in the Game
Where's that guy who said you shouldn't listen to anyone that ends their messages with the Jinx sticker? Also, the name checks out.
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HateDaddy (NA)
: Why do we not talk about how ridiculous Rengar is?
kargish (EUW)
in > Why do we not talk about how ridiculous Rengar is?
Can I just point out that Rengar has functioned fundamentally the same for close to 7 years now? Why are you only complaining now? Before someone comes with the "because double W", in the past he could actively restore health with it, not just recover health he lost 1.5 seconds ago. Is that really worse?
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Death by Glamour (EUW)
: Because you get instantly downvoted when his mains see it. Hos survivabilty while building full damage is a bit of a joke
kargish (EUW)
in > Why do we not talk about how ridiculous Rengar is?
I am curious. What Rengar is durable for building full damage? Part of doing that damage is to sacrifice his W early to get 4 stacks.
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A KhaZix Abuser (NA)
: Because even though he's op, people ignore him because he isn't that popular when compared to other toplaners. This is especially because people still view him as a jungler, which they're not wrong for viewing as, even though in my opinion, Rengar top is ever so slightly better. When it comes to jungling, I think one of the primary reasons why he isn't paid much attention to in the jungle is because people think Kha'Zix is more "broken" right now. Kha'Zix and Rengar have always been hand in hand, where many disregard Kha'Zix if Rengar is strong, and vice versa. Kha'Zix is strong, yes, but anyone who's even REMOTELY competent at Rengar will easily beat a Kha'Zix. Kha'Zix may not have nearly as high as a skill FLOOR as Rengar, but he has a way higher skill CAP. This makes it so more people can use Kha'Zix effectively. However, if there is a Rengar player who's about the same mechanical skill level as Kha'Zix, there is not a SINGLE scenario, no 1v1, no teamfight, no skirmish, no drag or baron fight, no split push, no jungle clear, absolutely ZERO scenario where a Rengar would even come close to losing to a Rengar. The Rengar could have less macro and still be able to win just because of the champion. Even if the Rengar is isolated, 1-2 levels behind, an entire full item behind without having any stacks on his necklace, he should still VERY easily be able to solo kill the Kha'Zix unless he fucks up. Basically, people ignore Rengar because other junglers like Kha'Zix are "stronger", when in reality, there's no scenario where Rengar should lose to any jungler, with Kha'Zix only being one example.
kargish (EUW)
in > Why do we not talk about how ridiculous Rengar is?
> [{quoted}](name=A KhaZix Abuser ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E7JFQVKB,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-01-24T18:58:28.865+0000) > absolutely ZERO scenario where a Rengar would even come close to losing to a Rengar. I totally agree mate
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iiGazeii (NA)
: Their goal is to push her back to top lane. She's got a good chunk of extra health and her W will still protect her against physical damage and CC. Plus, her damage and CC on her ult got a buff. A 90% slow for 1.5 seconds lets you land your stun basically guaranteed, so you can ult, go in with the free reset, stun them, Q reset AGAIN, and pound away at max passive stacks until they die.
kargish (EUW)
in > Damn Irelia was just hit with a truck
We'll see about that. I wouldn't be surprised if Irelia would never be picked at all. She loses to everyone with all the nerfs she has received.
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ZephyrDrake (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kargish,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lmF2aTFd,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-22T00:57:12.623+0000) > > Never did I claim MOBS and MMORPG have the same design philosophy, but the assassin design is a constant **no matter what game you pick.** I mean... did you read the post? Burst damage is not a solution to assassins. Uptime, mobility, utility and control are just as important. This 50-50 abomination you dislike is what breeds his versatility, and it's a form of versatility that's needed for other assassins. It's a win-win situation; assassins will feel useful outside of one shotting and everyone else won't have to deal with 0.1 erasure {{champion:107}}. "constant" sorry but no. Pyke breeds nothing and is THE WORST DESIGNED assassin in the game. Sorry but you can gush over the broken garbage that will never be balanced all you want. Different genres require different designs. Sorry but Pyke is not welcomed here. You want him to be here? either he loses his damage or he loses his utility. He does way too much, for next to nothing. Oh wait... he does lose something... he cannot even properly build since he has to be pidgeonholded into a very specific build for him to be successful regardless of whether those items are good or not. But sure when an "assassin" needs SUPPORT lvls of utility for them to have "diversity" then sorry to say this but that is not an assassin. Assassins are mobile and they have burst, some even have minor amounts of utility and they even have uptime at different values... so why does Pyke need to have so much more than the rest? tell me why does this abomination needs to have this much with next to no downsides? tell me? oh right "diversity" more like "broken"
kargish (EUW)
in > An assassin does not have to one shot in order to be effective
Listen buddy, I get that you have a vendetta on Pyke but this is not about him. It's about assassins in general, and I can absolutely guarantee you that the way you describe them there, is not how a proper assassin works. Assassins are a constant. Assassin in different games require different mechanics, but the core is still the same. Next you're gonna say that fighters and tanks require new designs based on genres too? Supports don't provide the same utility as assassins should. Like I mentioned in my post, I have hard mained assassins for almost a decade now, throughout multiple games, I am well aware how they work. The thing you described there might as well have been your average diver {{champion:164}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:62}}
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ZephyrDrake (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kargish,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lmF2aTFd,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-22T00:27:38.962+0000) > > And it's also due to him being a support Riot decided to give him more utility. This utility is what's needed on other assassins as well, it allows them to perform more roles than simply killing someone really fast. > This type of design is only represented in LoL, other games allow the sneaky types to do more (again, take a look at the rogue from WoW). > > My understanding on why people dislike Pyke is because he has **too** high uptime on his R, and that his heal is overtuned. It's not because he provides more utility and potential than other assassins. ok... I forgot that MOBAs and MMORPGs had similar design philosophies. Pyke's numbers are too obnoxious simple as that. Assassins do not need that amount of utility. Hell every time that an assassin is not about bursting someone down instantly people instantly cry time and time again about them. This is not unique to pyke. This is what people expect from assassins and Pyke is such an abomination of a champion that quite frankly needs to be changed to be either a full assassin or a full support instead of this half-assed 50-50 he currently is
kargish (EUW)
in > An assassin does not have to one shot in order to be effective
Never did I claim MOBS and MMORPG have the same design philosophy, but the assassin design is a constant **no matter what game you pick.** I mean... did you read the post? Burst damage is not a solution to assassins. Uptime, mobility, utility and control are just as important. This 50-50 abomination you dislike is what breeds his versatility, and it's a form of versatility that's needed for other assassins. It's a win-win situation; assassins will feel useful outside of one shotting and everyone else won't have to deal with 0.1 erasure {{champion:107}}.
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ZephyrDrake (NA)
: you do know that Pyke's lack of burst is due to him also being a support right? it's also due to everything he offers that people don't really like Pyke and have many issues with him. If anything assassins should be less like Pyke
kargish (EUW)
in > An assassin does not have to one shot in order to be effective
And it's also due to him being a support Riot decided to give him more utility. This utility is what's needed on other assassins as well, it allows them to perform more roles than simply killing someone really fast. This type of design is only represented in LoL, other games allow the sneaky types to do more (again, take a look at the rogue from WoW). My understanding on why people dislike Pyke is because he has **too** high uptime on his R, and that his heal is overtuned. It's not because he provides more utility and potential than other assassins.
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Edge of Daybreak (NA)
: It's easy to make assassins not feast or famine if you give them something else to do other than just kill you. Riot claimed to want to do this during the initial class rework but made no actual attempt to do so. There are definitely more than 2 outcomes though. you die to their burst, you live through their burst, you use a zhonyas and live, use a zhonyas and still die. Your teammate saves you. You just kill the assassin because your kit is better or you are fed. My issue with pyke is that Imo he only works because his numbers are crazy high not because it's a good design. like my god that ult damage is nuts for it to have an execute and reset on top of his other utility.
kargish (EUW)
in > An assassin does not have to one shot in order to be effective
Is that really the only reason he works though? Even if Pyke has a hard time bringing people into execute range, he can still hook people for pick potential and peel enemy assassins/divers with his CC. Other assassins don't have the capability, if {{champion:107}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:55}} is not able to provide enough burst damage, they effectively become worthless. Especially {{champion:55}}, who is a 100% dependant on scoring takedowns. And the outcomes you've described is the same thing I said but repeated.
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ßurst (NA)
: Pyke does not need to be 15-0 to one shot someone he can do so just fine early game. Midlane he can dominate early but he needs to finish the game fast or else all of his end the game early potential is gone.
kargish (EUW)
in > An assassin does not have to one shot in order to be effective
I mean yeah, if you don't end the game early your 'end the game early' potential is gone :) Pyke has been overbuffed recently, his numbers are overtuned but if you look away from that the above counts. Chances are he'll be nerfed in the future and then he can't go midlane anymore, since I don't believe Riot have any intention of him running around anywhere but bot lane. Even if he isn't capable of dominating any lane, he'll still be useful to a team through his CC and utility. That's something other assassins lack.
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