Gamod (EUW)
: In my opinion some combination are useless and some champions level 3 can win the game so easily while others feel so weak, so people always take the same combos and champs... The problem is when you don't get that champ and the games forces one type of team composition that doesn't work just because it will never come that card even if you rotate your hand a hundred times. I think we should be allowed to build our own "deck" of champs so that we put more weight on certain champs and strategy before the start of the game. And riot should really balance all champions and drop system... for example why are some teams able to get Darius level 3 and I am forced to get a useless Ahri, nidalee, tf,... Some level 1 champs are so much powerful level 3 than others which force you to take a certain team compo. And this makes the game so unbalanced as well. I am getting bored of this game because it is very luck based, it is like going to a casino and hitting the rollete. Luck can be fun when moderated and controlled, not when everything in game feels like a gift of God... Then strategy is lost there.
> [{quoted}](name=Gamod,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dgAvrpVf,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-07-20T04:33:45.694+0000) > > In my opinion some combination are useless and some champions level 3 can win the game so easily while others feel so weak, so people always take the same combos and champs... If everyone is trying to take the same comp they're gonna be stuck with a bunch of level 1s and some level 2s while someone else gets the nut comp because no one was picking what he was. So this is just a nope. The only thing they did right was the "if you buy a champ you take that unit out of the pool".
zepdrix (NA)
: I had a game earlier today where I went on an 8-round win streak despite having only 3 item components. The guy who went on a losing streak, but got 7 item components, went on to destroy the rest of us. The only thing he lacked was HP. He didn't lack money (at least not much, in thanks to the lose streak bonus). --- Games like that are infuriating. There is no plausible way to win. There is PLENTY of RNG in the game without the number of items being random.
> [{quoted}](name=zepdrix,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7PIQwxAn,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-20T03:37:34.728+0000) > > I had a game earlier today where I went on an 8-round win streak despite having only 3 item components. The guy who went on a losing streak, but got 7 item components, went on to destroy the rest of us. > > The only thing he lacked was HP. > He didn't lack money (at least not much, in thanks to the lose streak bonus). > --- > Games like that are infuriating. There is no plausible way to win. > > There is PLENTY of RNG in the game without the number of items being random. This one seems to be a example of someone managing the loss streak to get gold despite having the items to start winning earlier tbqh
Zed genius (EUNE)
: Practically the same elo, no reason to complain
Silver 4 practically the same ELO as gold 3. Sure.
: Just got a Silver 4-1 Duo in my Gold 3 ranked game.
Always opgg your team. Take the first two dodges. If you've dodged twice already find a premade to dodge for you. If you can't, stop playing for the day. It works. Not a joke.
: Feels like im gambling more than i am playing the game
I'm an adc/support main. Last week i got autofilled. As mid. Asked if someone could swap. Top said he was nasus otp, whatever. Jungler was my pre and i knew he was a jungler main who hadn't played mid in a long time. Botlane claims they're both adc mains (supp got autofilled support) I picked Orianna just because the team was a hard engage comp with j4 and alistar and thought "well at least i can provide cc if i totally fail lane". Didn't happen. Enemy midlaner was a darius otp autofilled mid. That was a funny midlane because neither of us knew how to properly roam from mid. I bet both of us would've rather waited 3 extra minutes to get a decent midlaner, because we were both relying hard on what our team did as we could not play the role we got properly. (We won, our botlane vayne got 4 kills on early)
: Yesterday I won a game as toplane Ashe vs Darius and Illaoi. She went like 0/15/1. Why? Either the matchmaking is rigged or the MMR does not work. Because NOBODY can legit end 0/15/1 if the matchmaking would work. She was not even trolling, she attacked me, she responded, she was legit "playing". It was just an utterly bad player that made the enemies lose. As Ashe, I just shred trough their "Normally" fed Jinx like butter as I had like free farm, endless stacks of Dark Harvest and Darius even left the lane in frustration. The enemy lost the game in the lobby. But why is this a "match"? Where is the reason for that? If you "match" a person into a game with a 0.06 KDA then the MMR is useless or the matchmaking broken/rigged. The problem is that my MMR changes back and forth of such nonsense as well, make the system think I am good so I get stomped in the next 5 games straight. No wonder why the games suck. They literally have nothing, NOTHING, to do with my skill. And no, the more I play, it does not get better - the more I play, the more bullshit game results like this happen and it never stops. My cousin has 5,000+ games as he plays since 9 years. He is always calm but was raging lately about a loss streak with numbers that made your jaw drop. THOUSANDS of games worth of data to deterimine his skill - and he loses like 3-34 total score etc. After a week, he plays Eve and steamrolls bot-like enemies. Absolute bullshit. That is not normal. RIOT often claims things like: "But you play 1500MMR vs 1480MMR. THat is close and fun!" But those numbers mean nothing because they have been achieved in games that are broken in the first place. In a real matchmaking, you DO NOT HAVE 0/15/1. Period.
Finishing 0/15/1 one game can happen. Having a bad day, you get tilted, no one helps when you start to fall behind so they snowball, no one helps when they start diving, etc. The problem starts when it's 3/7 into 5/6 into 0/11 into 3/8.
: I'm pretty sure the system gave me a close 50/50 chance when i was in my dia 2 promo and got a d4 adc premade with a plat 2 jungler who played against the D2 jungler. Was a fun game and i keep the outcome a secret :^)
As funny as when i got a gold 3/silver 2 duo botlane on my promo to gold 1, lol. The silver 2 thresh went 0-11 and was somehow convinced it was my fault because i didn't roam enough. Told his premade (he was actually a "normal" gold adc, he just didn't have a support) to never duo with him in ranked again, for his team's sake. afaik he listened, i watched his opgg a few days after that and they switched to normals when playing together. I keep the outcome as a secret, too.
: And it has always been exactly that, a sentiment because the players only remember and complain when they fail their promos not when they win. Thinking that Riot has created a system in which the Promos are rigged for some obscure reason it's just non sense
Think about it this way. If the system worked properly, why are promos needed? You just rank up once your MMR hits the next league's MMR. Promotion series are there to stop players who got to the series without having a high enough MMR. And, when one of these players get to a promo, it just makes him lose it. The same way it skips leagues if your MMR is high enough.
Well Cause (EUNE)
: This is a team game and some matches are impossible to carry, thus this game is partly based on luck
No. Roulette is based on luck. You bet, ball falls into a number. You win or you lose period, nothing you do matters. A random guy and someone who's been at gambling for 30 years have the same chance of winning. On the matchmaking, a iron guy does not have the same chance of winning a iron game as a platinum player that's smurfing does. That's why it's not based in luck.
Leetri (EUW)
: If they are rigged, which team does it rig for when there's a guy in their promos on both teams? :thinking:
That is the case on maybe 5% of the promotion games, specially at higher elos. If you're a gold trying to hit platinum you get platinum 5 players, not gold players trying to rank up.
: Remember, the system is supposed to allow you to skip divisions too, if your MMR is higher than your rank. Except when it doesn't work. My account is a brand new one, fresh from a transfer. While I knew that my MMR would be reset, and accepted that. I did not know, however, that my rank would be reset _differently._ While your first game will have you be silver MMR, your rank is reset to the bottom of iron. Which means that although I hard carried the first game ever played on this account, going 17/2/12 and getting a pentakill, I was placed immediately into bronze. Bronze 4. With silver MMR. So I played some games and reached the 100 LP mark. I won my next game when I had something like an 80% win rate on my account. The tier average for my team was Silver 1 (while dragged down heftily by my Bronze rank). The tier average for the enemy team was in gold. So when I win the game that is by all accounts a gold game, and I am bronze, I am promoted only into silver 4, 0 LP. This is especially terrible when you take into consideration that as my MMR continues to climb without my rank matching, it will become harder to win games. Meaning it will become harder to get my rank and my MMR to match anywhere decent. All this to say absolutely nothing about the games that feel incredibly rigged to prevent climbing (I was in five lobbies before playing a match. 9 players on my team had win rates that were 47% or lower. ) Try and convince me that the system is not rigged against you when you have a positive win rate.
You can't skip leagues while ranking up tiers, if you rank up to silver 3 it'll rank up to silver 1.
: Yeah, I was on a winning streak after I picked up support last week and instantly reached my promos with a free win. First game, my 1 million + mastery points Kled is 0/4 at 3 minutes, and his Jax duo is 0/2 ( tower dived at level 1 then {{summoner:12}} to lane and tower dived again while still level 1 ), runs it down mid until 0/10 and says GG then D/C's Not to mention the stress that was put on our Diana mid who went 1/9 vs Yasuo ( I can't even blame her, I understand the tilt ) and we basically autoloss that one, but it's ok I still have one more chance. Next game, OMG my Varus is 13 / 0 and I'm 1/0/14, what could ever go wrong? then all I hear from top lane is Double Kill, Double Kill, Double Kill, Enemy Rampage! Triple Kill, Godlike! An enemy is Legendary, Double Kill! Ended 1/9/35, once we got first tower we were literally deleted when attempting to even leave lane and now I'm back at my 67 LP Just a little story from my past week I thought I would share, sorry for the length : D
Sorry for these teams, but perhaps you should've lane swapped with the top before he was 0-15 if you were stomping bot that hard tbh
Leetri (EUW)
: And neither does your experience represent the entire community either. What does the game do if there's a guy in their promo on both teams? Which team does it rig the game for?
The "promotion games are rigged" sentiment has existed for years tbh, it's not something new.
Well Cause (EUNE)
: You continute to prove my point by saying it's impossible to have 100% winrate You can't carry every game now matter how good you are even in low elo
"You can't carry every game" =/= "System is gambling" If the system was gambling, you would have a 50% winrate no matter the ELO you were on, because it would eventually just even out. (Which is a point you're constantly ignoring because you have no answer for it)
Well Cause (EUNE)
: If you were right then every diamond player would have 100% winrate in low elo
> [{quoted}](name=Well Cause,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aEaXPWIq,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T15:18:37.425+0000) > > If you were right then every diamond player would have 100% winrate in low elo They have 70-80ish% winrates in low elo. If it was a RNG game they would have a 50% winrate as it evens out in the long term. It's impossible to have a 100% winrate on any game.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Metal Janna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NttVPkqc,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-03T08:36:39.628+0000) > > How about a "No Runes" RGM? > I have a feeling champs with no particularly good runes would end up busted strong due to the game being balanced around runes existing, but it could be fun. There was a game mode where you couldn't take runes/masteries. Ascension I think it was.
Ascension had a problem where the enemy team could literally lock you into the game if they built fuill tank w/sunfire to stop you from capturing and never killed you so you could never shop lmao, not sure that's better
5050BS (NA)
: Its not just Diamond. Im in Bronze and I will run a game 15/3 while my team is 2/12. This is not uncommon numbers for me. Too many games are just UNWINNABLE and Im at +19/-22 The system makes you rely on your team too much. Before it was not enough not it is too much. Becomes my account has a under 50% win rate Riot keeps putting shit on my teams and so It keeps falling because my TEAMS are losing. This is why we know the system is broken. They Reset everyone above Diamond and look at what you have. Everyone Under Diamond didnt get the reset and we are worse off.
It's only at dia+. If you're struggling in Bronze it means your MMR and winrate is actually shit. On Diamond it doesn't matter if you have a 70% winrate, YOU STILL DO NOT CLIMB because it gives you 12 LP and it takes 26 when you lose.
Well Cause (EUNE)
: The game is based on RNG unless you play 1v9 champions as you said, That's why gosu climbs easily because he's playing good and he's playing a champion that has the ability to carry solo
The only games based on RNG are slot machines, roulette and similar casino games.
shipo13 (EUNE)
: bullshit ELO system: Silver 3 vs. Silver 4 team, who can win? https://i.ibb.co/gz0vqPf/s3vss4.png **Games are so much fast.**
The difference between silver 3 and silver 4 is zero as shown by you winning bot easily. You just happened to get a shit midlaner.
Xhaiden (EUNE)
: My struggle with LoL are games likes this... http://i.imgur.com/GCH67Se.jpg[/img] So tell me oh wise one - how do you win games like above (Gold 4 + G3 vs Diamond 1 + Plat 1)?!! 🤨
It's 3v3 what do you expect, literally no people plays that mode, it just matches 6 people when it finds them.
: > [{quoted}](name=karolmo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EI08rY3L,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-01T15:05:04.976+0000) > > I'm a platinum Ezreal main and i still take flash/heal on him. Taking Teleport only works when you trust your team enough to not need the extra survability early on. > > People takes teleport on silver/gold, use it only to warp back to lane, and then wonder why did they lose lane. If you're not supposed to use it to warp back to lane what do you use it for then
> [{quoted}](name=digbluefire,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EI08rY3L,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-04-03T04:54:56.950+0000) > > If you're not supposed to use it to warp back to lane what do you use it for then Contest objetives, put pressure on side lanes, help your jungler 3v1 a fed laner, MAYBE warp back to lane if your support is there alive with enough hp and you were forced back by the enemy jungler very early on and there's a huge wave you can't afford to miss. (Warping back to lane after dying = u get killed again because you are in a 2v1 scenario with likely no summoners)
IainG10 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=karolmo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EI08rY3L,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-01T15:05:04.976+0000) > > I'm a platinum Ezreal main and i still take flash/heal on him. Taking Teleport only works when you trust your team enough to not need the extra survability early on. > > People takes teleport on silver/gold, use it only to warp back to lane **AND DIE AGAIN**, and then wonder why did they lose lane. Fixed that for you
> [{quoted}](name=IainG10,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EI08rY3L,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-04-02T00:15:30.545+0000) > > Fixed that for you So damn true. If you just died on a 1v2 it's a bad idea to warp back to lane again. THEY WILL KILL YOU AGAIN BEFORE YOUR SUPPORT GETS THERE.
Kenneky (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=karolmo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uuA4cUzP,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2019-04-01T19:37:51.345+0000) > > 23 kills yet u didn't roam to help mid or bot on early/mid, yeah, you deserved to lose that game bc you played for KDA Lol I did helped mid to late game, but even with that It still wasn't enough. If I did care about my KDA I would never engaged in team fights at all and this was a draft game, I was practicing my top, lol I guess...
> [{quoted}](name=Kenneky,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uuA4cUzP,comment-id=000300020000,timestamp=2019-04-01T20:02:00.758+0000) > > I did helped mid to late game, but even with that It still wasn't enough. If I did care about my KDA I would never engaged in team fights at all and this was a draft game, I was practicing my top, lol I guess... You should've roamed before they were 0-7 then. Having 23 kills and being unable to carry is just plain bad macro decisions
Kenneky (EUW)
: I love when in those rare moments where I do well with Quinn top with a score 23/6 I lose, my mid and bot lane... not the best... I mean I guess I deserve to lose, I did so badly. The funny thing about that game was the enemy had Jhin mid and Yasuo bot, Jhin is not a champion I see in mid that oftet or I would say... never...
> [{quoted}](name=Kenneky,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uuA4cUzP,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-01T09:41:59.648+0000) > > I love when in those rare moments where I do well with Quinn top with a score 23/6 I lose, my mid and bot lane... not the best... I mean I guess I deserve to lose, I did so badly. > The funny thing about that game was the enemy had Jhin mid and Yasuo bot, Jhin is not a champion I see in mid that oftet or I would say... never... 23 kills yet u didn't roam to help mid or bot on early/mid, yeah, you deserved to lose that game bc you played for KDA Lol
: nyaa :3 uwu i think is cute meow.
> [{quoted}](name=KittyKàtKàtàrinà,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=znZiiYzr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-01T11:38:17.048+0000) > > nyaa :3 uwu i think is cute meow. no
mack9112 (NA)
: I love league in all it’s different states through the years. I hear a lot of riot dosnt know there own game in all this but what are they doing wrong exactly because at the end of the day here we are 10 years later with a pretty amazing game.
Just because the playerbase is so hooked into the game they don't care if it sucks. If League released today on the current state it would be a failure.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: A highly elaborated and thoughtful answer! Perfect for a healthy and good discussion. Good job! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
radetari (EUNE)
: This game is meant to be taken as a joke
Honestly, if you pick Lucian mid and go 0-8, you can't expect any living person to "have fun" with you. You won 3 games, nice, congratulations, but most offmeta picks end up inting.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Give us an AP equivalent of executioner's calling
: Executioner's Calling > Morellonomicon
Morello is a item that's useful on every mage on the game, as it grants a pool of stats desired by everyone of them. Executioner's build path is only somewhat good in some ADCs and very specific champs like Jayce. So Executioner's is meant to be purchasable and not upgraded at all in some champs.
: Stop thinking that everything you copycat out of pro-play makes you good
I'm a platinum Ezreal main and i still take flash/heal on him. Taking Teleport only works when you trust your team enough to not need the extra survability early on. People takes teleport on silver/gold, use it only to warp back to lane, and then wonder why did they lose lane.
: Reported for having a bad game (new player)
You can't get banned for a bad game, but do not play ranked games until you get better at the game, or you'll end up on the iron elo hell.
: nyaa :3 uwu i think is cute meow.
> [{quoted}](name=KittyKàtKàtàrinà,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=znZiiYzr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-01T11:38:17.048+0000) > > nyaa :3 uwu i think is cute meow. no
: That's not how statistics work. Lower pickrate keystones will have a higher winrate.
The highest pickrate keystone, Kleptomancy, is the highest winrate one. Your math teacher lied to you.
: No, it's definitely klepto that breaks Kayle. She's just an average champion otherwise and doesn't need nerfs.
She is above 50% winrate with thirteen out of 17 keystones.
boogers5 (NA)
: Sounds rather like someone is salty because they can't win lane against a Mundo. Munro is balanced in the position he is in and on no means needs changes or a rework. {{champion:36}} for the win.
He is balanced on the position he is in. He will not be balanced next patch.
: Don't get me wrong, but I understand why Riot is reserved on buffing Tank items. One of the Tank Metas that occurred in League was because 80% of the champions could effectively go Sunfire then Iceborn and be unkillable while dealing a bunch of damage. But they have to realize how bad tank items are currently or atleast how overtuned penetration is currently.
Sunfire iceborn leblanc being a non-ironic viable champ. Good times.
5050BS (NA)
: I didnt in on Riven at all. I killed her and she Roamed in our jungle with her Duo and camped my junlger who would not ward. Ok so lets put this into maybe some perspective for you Same game but instead of Bronze this is Gold. Top lane is G2 vs a Plat 2 Also you JUST pointed out why Riots Match Making is total shit. The average Tax break for Americans is 4k so its fair.
> [{quoted}](name=XXXMurderPenguin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Eu9rewy3,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-31T14:18:15.194+0000) > > I didnt in on Riven at all. I killed her and she Roamed in our jungle with her Duo and camped my junlger who would not ward. > > Ok so lets put this into maybe some perspective for you > > Same game but instead of Bronze this is Gold. Top lane is G2 vs a Plat 2 > > Also you JUST pointed out why Riots Match Making is total shit. > > The average Tax break for Americans is 4k so its fair. You have 9 deaths. You did int. Maybe start playing safer.
5050BS (NA)
: Riot: Tell me how this was suppose to be a 50/50 match?
Matchmaking doesn't care about the player's winrate with a certain champ. All it cares about is MMR. B2 B1 B1 unranked (MMR around b2) and B3 vs S2 B4 B1 B1 and S4 is only a little unbalanced for their team on the toplane (B2 vs S2) but then you have B1 vs B4 on the jungle so your jungler should've been able to dominate the game... This is not close to being a really unfair ranked game. (And no, their Riven was not smurfing. He's 3-7 on his last 10 ranked games. Average KDA with riven is 7.6/5/5 which is nowhere close to a smurf KDA. You just inted the hell out of her on lane) Yes it was a little unfair for the toplane but that's all. Your jungler was bronze 1 and he went 3/13, in case you need explanation of why the current rank of someone means nothing. No member of their team was boosting, and their duoq was bronze 4&silver 2. Which evens out around bronze 1, which was the average MMR of your game. There you go.
: Vayne is just overtuned as heck right now, i doubt anyone would really argue that. But Xayah is below 50% winrate with a decent/average pickrate for a played champ so she shouldnt be a problem? Furthermore her burst is based on landing her E which gives her actual counterplay, like say vayne or kog auto either dashing around invisible between autos or long range autos and shooting you down with little you can stop them with when they are good. They do compensate by being squishy sure but Vayne right now is overcompensated.....
Who cares if you're squishy when you 3shot the enemy tank and 2shot anyone else
: I feel like lifesteal is one of the less problematic stats in terms of range vs melee. The basic counter to lifesteal(or any sustian) is burst, and it's usually easier to burst down a ranged squishy than it is vs melees. Additionally, the health gained from lifesteal is more valuable the more resists you have, and melees tend to have more def stats. Lifesteal also scales of damage, and melees tend to have more damage(though rangeds tend to built more dps from items). So all in all, i don't feel the need of lowering livesteal for rangeds in general. However, there are two things That bother me: Livesteal and minions aswell as free lifesteal from runes. I think livesteal should be reduced vs minions, and this is where i can imaging a bigger penalty vs ranged champions. Somthing like 50%lifesteal vs minons on melee AA, 33% for ranged and spells, which would allow to remove the aoe penalty which really makes spell vamp and omnivamp feel bad on many champs. As for runes, Legend: Bloodline seems a bit to strong atm and allows adc to sustain well with no lifesteal item at all. I'm fine lifesteal beeing a strong defensive mechanic for adc, but it should come at the cost of dps, and a potential 20%as is not enough of a tradeoff for 12%lifesteal. If they have to actually invest into a LS item and thus get less crit items, they loose quite some dps for the extra sustain.
That's now how it works. People doesn't switch to a worse build, they switch to an adc that doesn't care about the bloodline nerf because they were buying botrk anyway (vayne, lucian...). You just push out things like Tristana who can't afford a LS item until late game.
Terozu (NA)
: Hextech really isnt good for marksman. However 3 Lifesteal marksman were once super strong.
Only if you're playing Ezreal and then you're not building it for the lifesteal part anyway
: I get it, you want to start an argument and flame people man but thats not why im here. I already see your motive in this and I wont bother replying to your messages after this.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainxBear,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E7ns71Rp,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-29T19:21:38.759+0000) > > I get it, you want to start an argument and flame people man but thats not why im here. I already see your motive in this and I wont bother replying to your messages after this. Nope. I'm being honest with you. You are a terrible player and that's why you don't rank up from bronze. Stop blaming it on your teammates. It's really not their fault. You need to improve your plays and stop thinking it's your team, or you'll be in bronze until the day you uninstall the game. I wish you a nice day and hopefully you learned something today!
: > [{quoted}](name=karolmo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E7ns71Rp,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-29T18:33:06.703+0000) > > If you're in bronze you should not care about what your team does. > > 0-10 midlaner? Doesn't matter enemy mid doesn't know how to build or roam anyway. > > 1-16 at minute 15? Doesn't matter they'll nashor throw or lose to not being able to defend splitpush. > > Support is playing full ap Lux? Well at least you have two ap carries on your team now, better than having a thresh who can't land a hook. > > > Stop blaming it on your teammates. You get 0-18 yasuos at every ELO. You get smurfs, we platinums get eloboosteds and eloboosters. You get fresh level 30s who can't play support, we get the onetrick who got his main banned and can't do shit now. Your job is to carry that guy. > > I like to quote an example that happened on a gold 2 promotion series game. We got obliterated on every lane. Just managing to keep the base up because we had some waveclear. I left bot without any items aside from my IE and my boots, and just farmed up the super minion waves and the normal waves at our base for 10 minutes. At min 35 i had 4 full items, we were with only 1 nexus turret and they went to nashor. So i said fuck this, pushed the mid wave, took down inhib turret, inhibitor, both nexus turrets and the nexus itself while my team did the best they could to stop the recalls (and eventually they stole the nashor too which helped the pushing). We had no business winning that game. The player with the best KDA on our team was our support, a pyke who was 0/2/5. Every member of our team but me was nearly 50 cs behind their laner (I was 150 cs ahead because i just farmed for 10 minutes). > > Yeah, we had no business winning that game. My team was absolute trash. 4/10 toplaner 0/3 midlaner 7/11 jungler. But we won it because of a random play i made. I didn't expect it ro work, but i knew the chance to win was higher if i tried that than if i voted yes to the surrender vote. That's what you have to do. Find a way to win the game, even if your team isn't cooperating at all. your under the impression that everyone in bronze behaves like an ape. I would not wish it upon my worst enemy, but, you should try to play some games in bronze just to see that it may not be what you think it is. I cant not care what my team is doing when there is an afk and we are 4v5 with all three lanes fed.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainxBear,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E7ns71Rp,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-03-29T18:38:20.675+0000) > > your under the impression that everyone in bronze behaves like an ape. I would not wish it upon my worst enemy, but, you should try to play some games in bronze just to see that it may not be what you think it is. I cant not care what my team is doing when there is an afk and we are 4v5 with all three lanes fed. Everyone in bronze behaves like an ape, and that's why they can't get out of bronze. If they knew how to play they would get out of bronze. If you can't realize how bad bronze players are, it's because you are as bad as they are. You can not care what your team is doing. If all three lanes are fed then you are feeding too and deserved to lose that game. If your top and your mid are feeding but you win bot 10-0, trust me, you can not care what your team did and 1v5 the game. Why focus on what your mid is doing? You can't stop him from feeding. Focus on getting a lead strong enough to carry him. The enemy team is not going to know how to exploit their mid being 6-0 anyway. That's why games in bronze get to min 40. I'm really sorry if that hurt your feelings, but you are not getting out of bronze because you are not good enough.
: Each game feels like a slot machine and its really not fun
If you're in bronze you should not care about what your team does. 0-10 midlaner? Doesn't matter enemy mid doesn't know how to build or roam anyway. 1-16 at minute 15? Doesn't matter they'll nashor throw or lose to not being able to defend splitpush. Support is playing full ap Lux? Well at least you have two ap carries on your team now, better than having a thresh who can't land a hook. Stop blaming it on your teammates. You get 0-18 yasuos at every ELO. You get smurfs, we platinums get eloboosteds and eloboosters. You get fresh level 30s who can't play support, we get the onetrick who got his main banned and can't do shit now. Your job is to carry that guy. I like to quote an example that happened on a gold 2 promotion series game. We got obliterated on every lane. Just managing to keep the base up because we had some waveclear. I left bot without any items aside from my IE and my boots, and just farmed up the super minion waves and the normal waves at our base for 10 minutes. At min 35 i had 4 full items, we were with only 1 nexus turret and they went to nashor. So i said fuck this, pushed the mid wave, took down inhib turret, inhibitor, both nexus turrets and the nexus itself while my team did the best they could to stop the recalls (and eventually they stole the nashor too which helped the pushing). We had no business winning that game. The player with the best KDA on our team was our support, a pyke who was 0/2/5. Every member of our team but me was nearly 50 cs behind their laner (I was 100 cs ahead because i just farmed for 10 minutes). Yeah, we had no business winning that game. My team was absolute trash. 4/10 toplaner 0/3 midlaner 7/11 jungler. But we won it because of a random play i made. I didn't expect it ro work, but i knew the chance to win was higher if i tried that than if i voted yes to the surrender vote. That's what you have to do. Find a way to win the game, even if your team isn't cooperating at all.
Jaspers (EUW)
: He's not there to deal damage, he's a support. Leave the damage to everyone else.
This is not 2014, supports are able to deal damage. See brand, zyra, etc.
Jaspers (EUW)
: Just stating his stats. You know Zed has to spend like an extra 800 gold to get 40 more armour. How does not building HP stop him getting armour and mr?
: > [{quoted}](name=karolmo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RT0UKVEr,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-28T19:25:07.826+0000) > > Pyke's hook is the most predictable thing in the world and it also heavily slows him on cast. If you can't dodge pyke's hook on a regular basis you just need to improve your dodging skills. Okay? And brands w is highly telegraphed, his q is slow and his e is negligible. If you lose to a brand you need to improve your dodging skills. See that argument works Both ways.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RT0UKVEr,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-28T21:21:03.700+0000) > > Okay? And brands w is highly telegraphed, his q is slow and his e is negligible. If you lose to a brand you need to improve your dodging skills. > > See that argument works Both ways. I agree with you. Brand does not need nerfs and neither does pyke.
: I mean, you're a level 9 Nami and he's looking pretty fed.
I would actually be surprised if as a level 9 Nami you could survive a triple Q from a 10 kills zed lol. I mean you're not suposed to survive that.
: Feels like everyone forgets that Neeko can disguise as other champions
People on high elo doesn't fall for it. Like no one will believe when playing against Neeko that it's caitlyn who's trying to farm on mid at minute 40. It's like shaco's clone or lb's passive. They work until the enemy starts paying attention. There are some uses (Like pretending the jungler is coming to a certain lane to cause the enemy laner back off, or to pretend your jungler is on bot to catch the enemy team off guard with a nashor steal) but trasnforming constantly is just dumb. People doesn't fall for it anyway, so why bother
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