: No game is perfect. The OP isnt expecting that from league. Hes expecting that the game doesn't change in ways that make it less fun. Yea millions of players play LoL, just like millions of players play WoW, and CoD, etc. But that doesnt change the fact that the games been getting worse over time. I dont know what growth league has had overall, but I do know that I had 6 RL friends that I played LoL with for 5 or 6 years, and now they are gone with no interest at all in returning. I cant say for sure if LoL is gaining new players at the same rate that its been losing them, but I can say for sure that I personally dont try to get others to play it, because it just isnt fun. If the OP wants to give feedback on how terrible he thinks the game is, thats his right. And if the devs want to continue ignoring feedback like his, thats their right too. Honestly, its all moot, because the designers obv dont give a shit about the current game state - probably because the remianing MOBA market is complete dog shit, and Riot doesnt need to worry about players jumping ship for something newer and shinier.
> [{quoted}](name=ixi Josh Sand,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=j5q9QEx6,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-12-05T19:41:23.408+0000) > > No game is perfect. The OP isnt expecting that from league. Hes expecting that the game doesn't change in ways that make it less fun. > > Yea millions of players play LoL, just like millions of players play WoW, and CoD, etc. But that doesnt change the fact that the games been getting worse over time. > > I dont know what growth league has had overall, but I do know that I had 6 RL friends that I played LoL with for 5 or 6 years, and now they are gone with no interest at all in returning. > > I cant say for sure if LoL is gaining new players at the same rate that its been losing them, but I can say for sure that I personally dont try to get others to play it, because it just isnt fun. > > If the OP wants to give feedback on how terrible he thinks the game is, thats his right. And if the devs want to continue ignoring feedback like his, thats their right too. > > Honestly, its all moot, because the designers obv dont give a shit about the current game state - probably because the remianing MOBA market is complete dog shit, and Riot doesnt need to worry about players jumping ship for something newer and shinier. League has been progressively dying. What you see here is just the natural cycle of new players who never knew the actual great days of league. Autistic kits led to the game by flashy akali oneshotting everyone with zero counterplay giving a false sense of skill because they managed to press their buttons. Back when you actually had mana and cooldowns to manage. When missing a hook on thresh actually meant you were useless for some time and not got to try it again 3 seconds later. When fail using a full combo on a mage meant you were oom now ryze after tear just EQ EQ EQ EQ for ten minutes. This game is so pathetically shit and the player numbers show. NA barely reaches the 1 million mark in ranked. Euw used to have over 6 million ranked players and only barely breaks two millions anymore. Sure those are still big numbers other games can only dream of BUT compared to what league USED to be it's actually frightening how fast the new developers managed to grind this game into the dirt in a third of the time league took to get as big as it was. S5 was the height, S6 the downfall began. S7 was when leagues fate was sealed and it's just been a slow downward spiral ever since then. Ardent meta showed the true incompetence and unwillingness of these new devs who seem to blackmail their CEOs or something. I can't find another reason to pay them literally thousands per month for absolutely doing jackshit. Just doing nothing at all. Just look at this preseason, they treat it like another holiday month for years now. They implement shit and never look back at it again. Where are the promises that are actually over two years old now that the keystone system is progressing, with runes getting removed and new runes being added. Nothing changed, the same shit is still broken, the same shit is still useless. Stopwatch has been ruining the game since its inception and nothing is done about it. Basically none of the veterans who cared about this game are left on these boards. Only new players praising akali, jungle design and all the other OP shit because it makes them feel like they are good players. Same reason riot giga boosted everyone a tier above last season so people "feel" good. Now the game is a gigantic clusterfuck where every game is a literal coinflip of who has more armless people. Plat and diamond gameplay is such a disgrace. Master+ still has d5s holding onto it shits insane. Nothing done, never talked about just ignore any criticism, problem and feedback. China still makes money for league so we keep going.
BigFBear (EUW)
: Jungle is so unforgiving now I would even say a Jungler in Plat 1 have to be 10 times better than his laner in terms of game-knowledge. Put a Plat 1 Jungle otp on a lane and he maybe plays at Plat 3 niveau or maybe he could even win lane. Put a Plat 1 Laner in the jungle and he plays on Bronze niveau, lol. But funny enough the junglers are the ones who get flamed the most by their shitty laners who just right-click their shitty minions and don't understand macro at ALL.
> [{quoted}](name=BigFBear,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oNc93Xe5,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-12-05T06:17:16.276+0000) > > Jungle is so unforgiving now I would even say a Jungler in Plat 1 have to be 10 times better than his laner in terms of game-knowledge. > Put a Plat 1 Jungle otp on a lane and he maybe plays at Plat 3 niveau or maybe he could even win lane. > Put a Plat 1 Laner in the jungle and he plays on Bronze niveau, lol. > > But funny enough the junglers are the ones who get flamed the most by their shitty laners who just right-click their shitty minions and don't understand macro at ALL. Delusional jungle main on duty? You mean like how historically literally every laner just went jungle if they want some easy LP while autofills on top or mid usually just run it down?
Revech (NA)
: They could lock champs into specific lanes which I would fully agree with. Tried an ornn top into a vayne, basically didn't get to play league of legends for the rest of the game and decided from that point on I was done with tanks.
> [{quoted}](name=Revech,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApEGbUXh,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-12-05T05:43:48.973+0000) > > They could lock champs into specific lanes which I would fully agree with. Tried an ornn top into a vayne, basically didn't get to play league of legends for the rest of the game and decided from that point on I was done with tanks. Or maybe maybe not powercreeped adcs out the ass until they are so overpowered they can easily go into solo lanes, beat solo laners while outscaling them. Maybe riot should start to add some color to their blind spots that league of legends is a game as a whole and not only mages and adcs. If two adcs are overpowered and drown out everyone else NERF THEM like they do in EVERY OTHER LANE except bot where they just continously buff and buff and buff until we are where we are now and someone like vayne just beats everyone 1v1 except botlane.
MrDrBudd (NA)
: If you are seeing nothing but ganking. chances are the jungler is getting off successful ganks everytime and are therefore rewarded by being able to continue ganking. from my experience so far ganking and getting nothing for it puts me so far behind in exp that all the solo laners end up 3 levles ahead of me at some point sometimes 4 if its a really bad game.
> [{quoted}](name=MrDrBudd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JnQsRNkf,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-12-04T03:05:52.357+0000) > > If you are seeing nothing but ganking. chances are the jungler is getting off successful ganks everytime and are therefore rewarded by being able to continue ganking. > > from my experience so far ganking and getting nothing for it puts me so far behind in exp that all the solo laners end up 3 levles ahead of me at some point sometimes 4 if its a really bad game. "Being rewarded". Yeah when there is no drawback to spam ganking other than hoping your jungler actually does something then being rewarded is the default.
: PLS nerf solo lanes!!!
So in short jungle players keep upvoting each others blatant lies in hopes riot listens to their whims when in reality nothing changed about jungle except that dragons are now even more important and overpowered and the winning jungler can also just get two heralds for free and generate massive gold leads. And i'm really sick and tired of this community especially junglers and how bad they are at their role. Years of being able to just afk farm and then win by default because you picked graves or something seriously damaged this game beyond believe. If i see another lee sin who afk farms while the enemy jungle goes top, mid, bot, mid, top in less than two minutes i might actually suicide bomb riot HQ. It's time this role gets actual nerfs there is no point to keep listening to low elo while jungle is pretty much the only factor in every game in higher elo because there is nothing you can do against a jungler. Too much dmg in the game, permanently full health and mana, red smite so you can never lose even a 1v1. So what's the point of even playing. Jungle and support both just aren't supposed to be carry roles and it shows these last few years. Put together the arms race of adcs and mages and who can oneshot each other faster and we are in todays garbage shit meta.
BlackXIV (EUW)
: It's pointless arguing with laners, they don't understand how starved we actually are, they grab 2 random kills and feel like it's skills if they can suddenly 1v2 without breaking a sweat.
> [{quoted}](name=BlackXIV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E93n0qrF,comment-id=000e00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-25T02:55:31.321+0000) > > It's pointless arguing with laners, they don't understand how starved we actually are, they grab 2 random kills and feel like it's skills if they can suddenly 1v2 without breaking a sweat. Yeah you poor poor jungle players. Literally lane rejects for years. Most broken role since forever now, atleast season 6. While your role gets dumbed down every season . Literally perma full health, the most broken objectives in the game. Every champion overbuffed to the max. Like what the fuck do you even want. Literally all you need to do anymore is farm a camp gank, farm a camp gank and actual good junglers do that. That's why it's the most broken role while all low elo junglers ever do is afk farm and cry why they can'T carry games. Everyone except junglers agrees how busted, unfun and healthy this shitrole is for the game. The jungle by design should NEVER be a carry role and this has been the mistake from the beginning. Riot constantly tried to make this role a carry role. By perma farming, perma ganking, now a mix of farm and ganking and it's always cancerous as fuck. It is a support role and should be a support role same like the actual supports who have more power over the game than adc and toplane combined.
: I wonder how many people complaining about ranged top laners actually laned against them back when they would zone you not just from CS, but XP as well. Its not as bad as it used to be.
> [{quoted}](name=KVbqbFsC8e,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gcMhLtz6,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-11-23T23:44:59.496+0000) > > I wonder how many people complaining about ranged top laners actually laned against them back when they would zone you not just from CS, but XP as well. Its not as bad as it used to be. Except with the small small difference being that masteries/runes weren't that broken for ranged champions and something that seems even less important to you BRUISERS ACTUALLY SCALED. Whil ranged be it mage or adc items get more and more cost efficiency, better stats and less cost to it, bruisers also lost shojin, trinity/sterak as their lategame crutch for NO REASON. It literally got removed just because. Oh wait we were supposed to get actual SoS AND ATMAS but we never got that and kept that nerf. On top of that tiamat massively nerfed for no reason which is STILL A CRUTCH on non juggernaut melees except riven and renekton, guinsoos taken away, blade of the ruined king taken away, tank items taken away. Direct massive nerfs to most melee bruiser always hitting their scaling: see jax and camille for instance. Yeah if we ignore all this it used to be "worse" lmao.
Yenn (NA)
: Jungle EXP needs to be hotfixed, this role is now unplayable in games with good players
Junglers having a mental breakdown because they actually have to play their role again and can't just autopilot buff camp camp gank camp gank camp gank with the map being split in half at red side for both junglers. Which obviously means jungle is doomed as is every season despite it being the most broken role since s6 only rivaled by duo botlane.
FSRER (EUNE)
: How am I supposed to deal with Heimer?
If you are playing melee nothing. Heimer is just another autowin full r%%%%% champ never adressed by the glorious balance team cuz melee champions don't exist in their minds.
: The point of league, FROM THE GET GO, was to be a "dumbed down" version of Dota that more people could get into easily.
> [{quoted}](name=NelsieLisnen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ZMfnoRZ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-20T18:52:58.324+0000) > > The point of league, FROM THE GET GO, was to be a "dumbed down" version of Dota that more people could get into easily. and it was. Now league is a dumbed down version of the dumbed down version of league. Just look at the new jungle timers. Who tought about that shite. Look at all the champions with no CDs and mana costs, fifty get out of jail free cards so bad players can fuck up non stop and still somehow win and think they have "skill". This game is a shell of what it used to be.
: thanks i did. elder now insta killing you at 20% hp. clown drake giving ult cdr which means more damage cause more ults. herald can spawn twice aka more damage on towers which results in more gold. more exp for solo laners aka faster lv 18 and even less for duo laners so bigger level difference. more ad on duskblade. sanguine blade and umbral glaive resulting in assassins being able to buy a total of 5 lethality items = more damage. BUT HEY DIRK NO LONGER DOES 40 BONUS DAMAGE after killing something!!! support items now upgrade automatically = faster/more damage oh shurelyas which was such a damage item (sarcasm btw) lost its 40 ap. rakan will cry. crit chance on storm razor... so more damage. statikk and rapidfire having more damage early (noone buys them at lv 18 so overall more damage) higher crit chance on zeal = more crits = more damage. MAN WHERE ARE ALL THE DAMAGE BUFFS IM TALKING ABOUT I CANT SEE THEM!
> [{quoted}](name=Jennifer17,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vYVFVKpG,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2019-11-20T07:48:14.814+0000) > > thanks i did. > > elder now insta killing you at 20% hp. > > clown drake giving ult cdr which means more damage cause more ults. > > herald can spawn twice aka more damage on towers which results in more gold. > > more exp for solo laners aka faster lv 18 and even less for duo laners so bigger level difference. > > more ad on duskblade. > > > sanguine blade and umbral glaive resulting in assassins being able to buy a total of 5 lethality items = more damage. > > BUT HEY DIRK NO LONGER DOES 40 BONUS DAMAGE after killing something!!! > > > support items now upgrade automatically = faster/more damage > > oh shurelyas which was such a damage item (sarcasm btw) lost its 40 ap. rakan will cry. > > crit chance on storm razor... so more damage. > > statikk and rapidfire having more damage early (noone buys them at lv 18 so overall more damage) > > higher crit chance on zeal = more crits = more damage. > > > MAN WHERE ARE ALL THE DAMAGE BUFFS IM TALKING ABOUT I CANT SEE THEM! The duo lane to solo lane xp difference is WAY too low. ADCs and supps should be MINIMUM two level below solo lanes but that hasn't been happening for years now thanks to the stupid catch up xp. Botlane is INSANELY broken and overpowered hence why duo botlane have 70-80% winrate in chally while everyone else can go fuck themselves. Botlane pays nothing for the fact that they are two people splitting resources of one lane. Instead both just get nearly the same resources as if they play a solo lane shits ridiculous. This entire fuckin game is a mage vs adc show and it gets boring after a while.
: darius needs several bug fixes. he can cast w and q at the same time which results in him just doing the w animation. you dont even see the q animation.
> [{quoted}](name=Jennifer17,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x53y9G8y,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-11-20T08:03:04.192+0000) > > darius needs several bug fixes. he can cast w and q at the same time which results in him just doing the w animation. you dont even see the q animation. Eh you mean the W animation cancel? He has that since forever and it's the W that gets cancel'd not the Q animation? And if you do that you have to remove every single animation cancel in the game even further reducing skillcap. Like hell on camille i can cancel tiamat, auto Q and W all into one animation and you pretty much only see the W animated.
: Hash has those win rates because hes DUOING WITH A SMURF ON A SEPARATE ACCOUNT who even brags about giving up FREE WINS on his smurf. 64% win rate in MASTER LEAGUE IS NOT REALISTIC. Hashinshin was a hardstuck Diamond 4 before getting LLJustice, Karasmi and now this smurf to boost him. Not a hard accomplishment when you ""cheat"", and not something that's difficult to do if you're already at a Diamond level uses separate boosters to get you there, hence why anyone can go buy a $1000 account with 100 games in Masters. His behavior of abusing the system is toxic the system is made in place to cancel ppl from playing too far away from divisions, this can be loopholed by just finding a friend to get a smurf in that cutoff , something needs to be done about it, whether its cancelling Duo Q end of season or not. He went 13-3 from being down 0-2 in his Promos to Masters to kicking out a deserving Masters player. His last 7 games goes as such, 1-10, 15-8, 1-10, 1-11, 15-3, 4-11. 2-6. He is clearly VERY clearly playing out of his MMR rank. I bet you still think he's deserving of the rank he currently has, I bet.
> [{quoted}](name=GemmasLsK,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OEdZqKPE,comment-id=0000000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-19T07:40:51.342+0000) > > Hash has those win rates because hes DUOING WITH A SMURF ON A SEPARATE ACCOUNT who even brags about giving up FREE WINS on his smurf. 64% win rate in MASTER LEAGUE IS NOT REALISTIC. Hashinshin was a hardstuck Diamond 4 before getting LLJustice, Karasmi and now this smurf to boost him. Not a hard accomplishment when you ""cheat"", and not something that's difficult to do if you're already at a Diamond level uses separate boosters to get you there, hence why anyone can go buy a $1000 account with 100 games in Masters. > > His behavior of abusing the system is toxic the system is made in place to cancel ppl from playing too far away from divisions, this can be loopholed by just finding a friend to get a smurf in that cutoff , something needs to be done about it, whether its cancelling Duo Q end of season or not. He went 13-3 from being down 0-2 in his Promos to Masters to kicking out a deserving Masters player. His last 7 games goes as such, 1-10, 15-8, 1-10, 1-11, 15-3, 4-11. 2-6. > > He is clearly VERY clearly playing out of his MMR rank. > > I bet you still think he's deserving of the rank he currently has, I bet. He is so hardstuck d4 that he LITERALLY has proven playing solo when dom challenged him he went on a 20 games winning streak? Like how hard can you be in denial? He only duo'd karasmai in his masters promos because people trolled the shit out of him and if you watch his stream the amount of people who just troll him to keep him down is insane. And this "hashinshin duo guy" is scrubnoob btw which he even made a command for in his chat. Man you really got hash getting boosted. You solved the conspiracy, you da real detective. Or how about we mention like the three or four penta kills he just got in the last few days playing SOLO in the exact same MMR range he is right now. Last game i saw was him shitstomping darshan. Guess darshan should lose his rank now since he is clearly not deserving of anything above d4 losing lane to a hardstuck d4 player? Or if he is a hardstuck d4 why did he shitstomp all those d4 players when he played duoQ RANKED with his girlfriend? Hardstucks don't shitstomp the elo they are "hardstuck" in.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: I know an even more annoying Camille ultimate bug. Being damaged by abilities during your untargetability. ^^
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sbFRwgcb,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-11-16T21:09:15.719+0000) > > I know an even more annoying Camille ultimate bug. > > Being damaged by abilities during your untargetability. ^^ Will never get fixed. Camille is a melee bruiser who plays like an assassin so not on riots priority list.
: Crazy a immobile mage does high damage you can out range him or hard cc him hes not invunable
> [{quoted}](name=RyzeRework,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rkNWFtva,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2019-11-11T05:07:28.307+0000) > > Crazy a immobile mage does high damage you can out range him or hard cc him hes not invunable Immobile mage that runs around with 80% MS boost and slow resist KEKW
: Speaking about "It's not my job to win your lane for you.", when the community says that {{champion:133}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:420}} are too broken rito answer "Call a jungler", so sorry to say it but looks like it jugler job to cover rito mistakes.
> [{quoted}](name=Sleeping Bat,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7PQhw3XR,comment-id=0022,timestamp=2019-11-08T14:03:01.935+0000) > > Speaking about "It's not my job to win your lane for you.", when the community says that {{champion:133}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:420}} are too broken rito answer "Call a jungler", so sorry to say it but looks like it jugler job to cover rito mistakes. Literally this. Half of toplanes issues get answered by riot "well theoretically you have a jungler so it's okay if cassiopeia, ryze, jayce, vayne, quinn automatically win against every melee in the game while outscaling them".
: Well said. Unfortunately this forum is a hashinshin echo chamber, so you’ll be downvoted to shit. But you are 200% correct on pretty much every point.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7PQhw3XR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-07T19:49:11.847+0000) > > Well said. Unfortunately this forum is a hashinshin echo chamber, so you’ll be downvoted to shit. But you are 200% correct on pretty much every point. Is that why every single complaint thread about toplane is drowned out while PVE monkeys post here several times daily and be massively upvoted? Yeah right. Laner rejects with the most overpowered and dumbed down role still trying to explain other roles how to play is just hilarious.
: Kalista is left to sit on the proverbial shelf of "champions that are hard to balance so we ignore them." If she's buffed enough she becomes unrelenting in games. If not shes worthless. Riot cant seem to hit the sweet spot so it'll be a while if at all before they fix her. Let's hope they do fix her. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
> [{quoted}](name=Spoony Legs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FJmZEYvr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-08T03:02:16.066+0000) > > Kalista is left to sit on the proverbial shelf of "champions that are hard to balance so we ignore them." > > If she's buffed enough she becomes unrelenting in games. If not shes worthless. > > Riot cant seem to hit the sweet spot so it'll be a while if at all before they fix her. > > Let's hope they do fix her. > > {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}} There is no "sweet spot" for a broken design with a shitty unbalanceable kit that doesn't even make sense.
Done25 (NA)
: It's losing the ward clear passive and 11 lethality (21->10), so they're giving it something that isn't just raw damage. Edit: It's actually Edge of Night that's getting lowered to 10 lethality. Because it wasn't already shitty enough I guess???
> [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8kxu6la0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-06T14:55:33.513+0000) > > It's losing the ward clear passive and 11 lethality (21->10), so they're giving it something that isn't just raw damage. Ah so because riot has no idea what to do with an item we just continue the powercreep and once everyone applies GW by default we are going to giga buff healing again. Wow so smart. Hasn't ruined the game until now so let's continue powercreep.
Rioter Comments
iSennª (NA)
: Braum never had ward hop… they maybe thought of adding it in his kit when he was in creation but it never reached live server. I can agree thought that ward hop is not really relevent in current meta but some champions are tuned in consideration of it (cought, Lee Sin, cough) and some have already an outdated and stat check kit so they could use a full overhaul(Jax).
> [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ln0lcweo,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-04T23:37:03.798+0000) > > Braum never had ward hop… they maybe thought of adding it in his kit when he was in creation but it never reached live server. I can agree thought that ward hop is not really relevent in current meta but some champions are tuned in consideration of it (cought, Lee Sin, cough) and some have already an outdated and stat check kit so they could use a full overhaul(Jax). So when are we overhauling every single adc to not be braindead statchecks?
: Well maybe once damage is reduced to a reasonable amount we can remove stopwatch. It’s funny. People cry stopwatch and zhonya’s are broken because “is hard to kill people who have them.” When in reality they are just 1 out of 4 defensive items ghat actually fucking works anymore. When you compare a hot dog to kale, of course the hotdog seems amazing.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ubRf2x0G,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-04T06:47:39.602+0000) > > Well maybe once damage is reduced to a reasonable amount we can remove stopwatch. > > It’s funny. People cry stopwatch and zhonya’s are broken because “is hard to kill people who have them.” > When in reality they are just 1 out of 4 defensive items ghat actually fucking works anymore. > > When you compare a hot dog to kale, of course the hotdog seems amazing. Zhonyas is broken because it is factually and objectively a broken item. Simple as that. Way overstat and a broken effect. Has nothing to do with damage or anything. It's simply a broken effect that ruins playing the game. If you want your hands hold and win by doing nothing then maybe another game might suit you better. League used to be a proactive skill game that doesn'T exist anymore unfortunately because riot keeps catering towards people with no arms.
: I don't think pro players will ever be able to play without it now.
> [{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ubRf2x0G,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-04T05:52:17.251+0000) > > I don't think pro players will ever be able to play without it now. Sometimes i imagine a world where we don't have to ask pro players if they are okay with devs changing the game. That would be great and probably the game would be more fun and competitive. Reminder that it was pros who made riot bring back duoq in masters+ so they can now enjoy duo botlanes in high challenger with 70-80% winrates. Fair and competitive for everyone. Also reminder that pros over the years have stated multiple times soloQ is dogshit and they don'T care about it.
Rioter Comments
: Riot is making champions you can't fuck up
You still havent noticed how this game is catered towards people who cannot play the game? 'Why do you think every new champion has a dozen fallback mechanics for if they fuck up.
: Master LP Decay System
I mean does it even matter when duos just play botlane in chally with 70-80% winrates. Feels like just another useless bandaid riot put out for no reason other than make it look like they care about "competitive integrity". When even now towards end of season diamond is filled with plat and gold players and diamonds are still sitting masters. So yeah its a bandaid to get boosted shits out of masters by forcing them to play on the other hand they enabled duoQ again because of pros who for years say they dont give a shit about soloQ anyways. So what's the point, the ladder is absolutely meaningless.
: How do you feel about Gnar?
Remove him from the game, pending a rework
: LOL WTF MALPHITE, I'm sorry man but I cant listen to a word you say if you say malphite has "an insanely broken kit." The only champions you listed that are actually broken are kayle and pantheon. Fiora, maybe, a champion like Fiora should never have a 50%+ winrate imo. Jax believe it or not is actually pretty balanced, even with spear of shojin, the problem is that there are literally no other scaling top laners, who can contest him. Top lanes problem as a whole is that their champions don't scale, which is what they need to be doing if they arent going to be impacting the gamestate for 15+ minutes during the laning phase.
> [{quoted}](name=LightswornLance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LKItzN8n,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-10-27T20:53:25.214+0000) > > LOL WTF MALPHITE, I'm sorry man but I cant listen to a word you say if you say malphite has "an insanely broken kit." The only champions you listed that are actually broken are kayle and pantheon. Fiora, maybe, a champion like Fiora should never have a 50%+ winrate imo. Jax believe it or not is actually pretty balanced, even with spear of shojin, the problem is that there are literally no other scaling top laners, who can contest him. Top lanes problem as a whole is that their champions don't scale, which is what they need to be doing if they arent going to be impacting the gamestate for 15+ minutes during the laning phase. Finally a smart person
: is that why female champions are so strong? i always thought it was because they tend to sell skins better especially the ones with skintight suits
> [{quoted}](name=ShyImagoghnar,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZWpquLVh,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-10-27T23:49:53.512+0000) > > is that why female champions are so strong? > > i always thought it was because they tend to sell skins better > > especially the ones with skintight suits I mean let's count the recent extremely overpowered champions that plague the game since their release:Aatrox, neeko, zoe, qiyana, kai'sa, akali, irelia, xayah, rakan, kayle, for a toplaner case fiora. Balance girl after balance girl. Maybe i'm just crazy but there seems to be a recent trend.
Rioter Comments
Moody P (NA)
: rose tinted glasses
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2mpAHfv,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2019-10-27T11:04:33.035+0000) > > rose tinted glasses U must have not any glasses at all. Back with fervor it was nauti, mao the entire season like are u actually delusional.
: Tried my hand at playing jungle again
Must be so hard to be the single most broken role for the last 3 years. Much respect. Muh poor junglas.
: The problem with Kalista
The actual real problem with kalista is that her designer is a well known r word that made a champion so fuckin broken she can never be allowed to see the day of light without ruining the game for everyone in plat+
: But according to the boards, ADCs are not supposed to deal damage to tanks, not supposed to have any burst, not supposed to have CC, not supposed to be able to duel, not supposed to escape, not supposed to build items that have useful abilities because they have range, not supposed to have sustain, not supposed to go to any lane other than bot, Are supposed to just adapt or pick someone else when other classes start ruling bot, and so on. The Boards are generally hiveminded against ADCs. If they do anything or start doing well, there's an immediate cry for nerfs. Every time. Unless it's Jhin 4 the memes
> [{quoted}](name=Ionian Vulpix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JNf1lydI,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-10-23T02:30:31.401+0000) > > But according to the boards, ADCs are not supposed to deal damage to tanks, not supposed to have any burst, not supposed to have CC, not supposed to be able to duel, not supposed to escape, not supposed to build items that have useful abilities because they have range, not supposed to have sustain, not supposed to go to any lane other than bot, Are supposed to just adapt or pick someone else when other classes start ruling bot, and so on. > > The Boards are generally hiveminded against ADCs. If they do anything or start doing well, there's an immediate cry for nerfs. Every time. Unless it's Jhin 4 the memes Maybe because adcs have been catered to since the dawn of this fuckin game and people are just sick and tired of adcs being the superstar class of league of legends. A pure ranged statcheck zero skill class that gets to be the only mandatory class in the game and if that ever changes all hell breaks loose so you can continue to rightclick to win and complain about how bad adc is when it is literally THE class since season 6. Only mages recently have been able to even match the ridiculousness that is adc.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: So Conqueror is going to be like old Fervor of Favor now, literally like the old version of itself without having it overloaded with True Damage conversion. YES. Doesn't change the fact I will keep using it on {{champion:164}} cause she can still deal more true damage through bonus adaptive force gained unlike PTA. At least toxic shits like {{champion:24}} and {{champion:11}} will be less toxic now, not to mention Jax is getting the double clap on his ass if we count the removal of {{item:3161}} too.
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=317ZRBHz,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-10-23T18:49:47.294+0000) > > So Conqueror is going to be like old Fervor of Favor now, literally like the old version of itself without having it overloaded with True Damage conversion. > > YES. > > Doesn't change the fact I will keep using it on {{champion:164}} cause she can still deal more true damage through bonus adaptive force gained unlike PTA. > > At least toxic shits like {{champion:24}} and {{champion:11}} will be less toxic now, not to mention Jax is getting the double clap on his ass if we count the removal of {{item:3161}} too. Why would anyone who actually plays toplane cry yes for getting fervor back? Bruisers were non existant with fervor of battle and it practially had conqs 8% true damage because the tree came with 7% armor pen and still bruisers were unplayable and it was naut, mao, poppy only. But alas the boogeyman conq is removed, bruiser are removed from the game and adcs and mages get to continue to oneshot each other. What a new season. Same old same old since s6. Tanks will still be unplayed simply by getting destroyed top by vlad, kennen, ryze freely scaling into the game.
: Depending on what else comes out I’m all for damage nerfs but if riot is only going to fuck over two classes and leave everyone else insane then we are going to have a repeat of hey we made ad assassins suck again time for duskblade 2.0 premium strength bandaid
> [{quoted}](name=Edge of Daybreak,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=317ZRBHz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-23T16:59:50.780+0000) > > Depending on what else comes out I’m all for damage nerfs but if riot is only going to fuck over two classes and leave everyone else insane then we are going to have a repeat of hey we made ad assassins suck again time for duskblade 2.0 premium strength bandaid yeah finally the game is fun again amirite. Nothing but mages and adcs while assassins and bruiser get removed from the game and everyone else cries in joy "we did it" "finally we can oneshot each other again haha"
: Yet its odd how once you get into high ELO, top becomes a dead role, while mid and ADC remain the top dogs...
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qlEZmObY,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-10-22T20:21:20.263+0000) > > Yet its odd how once you get into high ELO, top becomes a dead role, while mid and ADC remain the top dogs... Shocking that bad players keep complaining about being bad while the actual good players get ignored. Botlane duos have fuckin 70-80% winrate in high challenger and no one gives a fuck. Very healthy when every single game is decided by the coinflip bot.
: They already said they're changing supp items, adding diff lethality options, changing runes, and removing spear of shojin
> [{quoted}](name=Niggel Wessom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sOgTTMF0,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-18T00:47:11.029+0000) > > They already said they're changing supp items, adding diff lethality options, changing runes, and removing spear of shojin So "overbalanced" classes get their third and fourth and fifth item work while bruisers wait for it since season 2
Kazekiba (NA)
: This has nothing to do with the xp changes?? The XP changes are intended to make top laners hit level 12-13 in big teamfights while the support is still level 7-9 and ADC is level 10 at best. It doesnt impact your interactions with your other top laners. The whole point is to end the 1v1 fighting game mentality that ignorant top laners have and give them more power in team fights
> [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3OgbvXN5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-18T17:53:04.283+0000) > > This has nothing to do with the xp changes?? > > The XP changes are intended to make top laners hit level 12-13 in big teamfights while the support is still level 7-9 and ADC is level 10 at best. It doesnt impact your interactions with your other top laners. The whole point is to end the 1v1 fighting game mentality that ignorant top laners have and give them more power in team fights Are u actually... like seriously r ?
Rioter Comments
mack9112 (NA)
: https://lol.gamepedia.com/2019_Season_World_Championship/Play-In/Picks_and_Bans Melee champions are fairly represented I would say.
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swRqEuAA,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2019-10-08T17:33:21.460+0000) > > https://lol.gamepedia.com/2019_Season_World_Championship/Play-In/Picks_and_Bans > > Melee champions are fairly represented I would say. Fairly represented? Literally the first day is tristana vs karma, gp vs gnar, gnar vs gp, vlad vs renek, ryze vs aatrox. Wow melee bruisers in their own fuckin lane are "fairly" represented when the only actual bruiser is renekton and the rest is all ranged mage cheese or even an adc. That is fair representation? Oh sorry one team was dumb enough to pick aatrox.
: > [{quoted}](name=mark6028,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swRqEuAA,comment-id=0005000000010001,timestamp=2019-10-08T15:50:58.168+0000) > > no because adcs had a monopoly on their lane and the game for 6 years Could it be because adcs are only allowed in that one role? And any time they leave that one role they get gutted into the dirt. Varus mid. Kog mid Kai’sa jungle Ezreal mid Lucien mid Ezreal jungle Top Lucien All gutted into the dirt because they dared to leave With a select few exceptions being Quinn(who idk why they haven’t fucked with) and kindred, who was specifically made to jungle. Meanwhile every other class can be played in multiple roles. Mage - mid top jungle support Bruiser - mid jungle top Tank - no one plays tanks xD Assassin - jungle mid
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swRqEuAA,comment-id=00050000000100010000,timestamp=2019-10-08T16:51:00.848+0000) > > Could it be because adcs are only allowed in that one role? And any time they leave that one role they get gutted into the dirt. > Varus mid. > Kog mid > Kai’sa jungle > Ezreal mid > Lucien mid > Ezreal jungle > Top Lucien > All gutted into the dirt because they dared to leave With a select few exceptions being Quinn(who idk why they haven’t fucked with) and kindred, who was specifically made to jungle. > > Meanwhile every other class can be played in multiple roles. > Mage - mid top jungle support > Bruiser - mid jungle top > Tank - no one plays tanks xD > Assassin - jungle mid Gutted for a reason. Being no counterplay unbeatable lategame bullshit that was strong enough to win solo lanes despite being supposed to only scale off of gold into the lategame but ofc your adc brain can't comprehend simple logic that a lategame scaling class supposedly scaling only off of gold and items shouldnt also beat every solo laner in existance. But ofc you are going to rewrite history pretending faker never got full health towerdoven as orianna by a lucian at 0-0-0 stats and equal gold. Varus Q spamming every lane into a free win. Graves being the best champion in every role. Kindred being the best champion in every role. Kai'sa still league of legends the champion.
: > [{quoted}](name=Magnesium14,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swRqEuAA,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-10-07T23:09:18.650+0000) > > well you have to think about this logically: > > Quinn top just isn't good anymore > Heimer, Urgot and Teemo need reworks > What about kenen and Vayne? > The thing is almost no one plays the bottom 4 but almost everyone plays the top 4 who have an advantage over melee Vayne top was a thing for one week. Jesus. Christ Does this mean adcs can still complain about Garen or irelia bot?
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=swRqEuAA,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2019-10-08T04:47:55.313+0000) > > Vayne top was a thing for one week. Jesus. Christ > > Does this mean adcs can still complain about Garen or irelia bot? no because adcs had a monopoly on their lane and the game for 6 years
KazKaz (OCE)
: Why does Fiora's W (Riposte) slow attack speed?
What a time to be alive where the boards defend shit design like fiora that only exists to automatically win the laning phase forever and ever with zero counterplay to anyone except picking kennen or another ranged cheeser. Ah i forgot no one plays toplane her but keeps telling toplaners what the state of their lane is and how fun and fair and balanced fiora is when you never have to fight this shit in your life. Then most of you are mage or adc players anyways and kill her before she can ever do anything. But the same people defending fiora get a mental breakdown if darius is not trash tier because "axe man op". One of the most counterplayable champs in the game. No wonder this game is so shit with such a shit community.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 4
It's actually crazy how delusional you are about the game. Stable state of the game?It's an absolute clusterfuck because you absolutely refuse to adress blatantly obvious issues in favor or -5 base damage on akali and calling it a day. Or qiyana +20 seconds cooldown on ult, fixed forever. When all it would take would be to watch one fuckin high elo game to realise how shit this game is. Yuumi, sylas basically any season 9 champion being a success? They all need to be removed bar maybe morde and pantheon depending on if you can make them feel better to play against but this isn't any of your concern AT ALL. At this rate no way to ever come back to league nor will league stop bleeding players every months. Seriously i'm absolutely baffled how someone can be so oblivious to the state of the game and keep his job. Also: Revert swain already.
: Preseason?
Supports once again get an item rework. Jungle gets work so it probably means even more broken than it is right now and bruisers get removed from the game permanently.
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fgI4YeNG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-02T10:55:34.945+0000) > > ok but how do i use the being immobile in a trade. as i said the fact that he stands betwen his turrets i know that he wont run away but unless its a gank even if i all in he destroys me there. its like a safe heaven i just cant crack. you just afk farm if you have no gap closers/mobility to take advantage of, and then hope if your jungler ganks they don't get gimped by heimer. why do you think people play mobile champions?
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fgI4YeNG,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-02T10:59:07.222+0000) > > you just afk farm if you have no gap closers/mobility to take advantage of, and then hope if your jungler ganks they don't get gimped by heimer. > why do you think people play mobile champions? You don't get to farm against a well played heimer if you are an immobile melee lmao.
Xphineas (NA)
: Her stun only hits you if you try to CC her. If youre playing jax and counterstrike, and she parries the counterstrike then its your own damn fault.
> [{quoted}](name=Xphineas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ezyEANBy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-30T14:50:27.079+0000) > > Her stun only hits you if you try to CC her. If youre playing jax and counterstrike, and she parries the counterstrike then its your own damn fault. I don't even need to look at your profile. Fiora doesn't need to stun anything toplane against the likes of jax. Hitting her W point blank and destroying your attack speed for 2,5 fuckin seconds is enough to win literally every duel against non combo bruisers.
: This patch isn't the worst ever. It sucks they're buffing champions unnecessarily but its still not the worst. You can ban them, there's a chance they won't even be picked, or you could flat out get nubs who don't know what they're doing on them and steam roll them. No, I still have anxiety about the possibility of another 8.11 patch; that was the worst patch in recent memory. Knee capping two entire classes as clumsily as possible instead of actually taking time out to work on the issues and fix those and then leaving both classes in grossly undertuned for the rest of the season. It was like they went into an open heart surgery with a fucking chain saw. :/
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AgjoJjNN,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-09-26T15:22:47.008+0000) > > This patch isn't the worst ever. It sucks they're buffing champions unnecessarily but its still not the worst. You can ban them, there's a chance they won't even be picked, or you could flat out get nubs who don't know what they're doing on them and steam roll them. No, I still have anxiety about the possibility of another 8.11 patch; that was the worst patch in recent memory. Knee capping two entire classes as clumsily as possible instead of actually taking time out to work on the issues and fix those and then leaving both classes in grossly undertuned for the rest of the season. > > It was like they went into an open heart surgery with a fucking chain saw. :/ Adcs so kneecapped the top challenger playes were still adc mains. It was the first patch in the last 4 years since s6 where adcs were actually REASONABLE and not ultra giga broken. All they needed to do was NOT buff mages or nerf mages back after they decided to make adcs reasonable.
: No, Fiora got buffed because their data "said she needed buffs". The same data that disregards the several buffs in a row she's received towards her dueling.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AgjoJjNN,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T13:33:41.688+0000) > > No, Fiora got buffed because their data "said she needed buffs". The same data that disregards the several buffs in a row she's received towards her dueling. Well that's what happens when you let dumbfucking r words balance around imaginary numbers. Especially considering they literally only look at pr, wr and br. What kind of shit is that. A game as complex as league and you look at THREE basic numbers that MAYBE give you a HINT at if something is wrong. Ofc it doesn't tell you fiora even when played by an amputee wins lane against any melee forever and ever but her winrate is not 50% so she MUST be weak after 14 fuckin buffs in a row. I hate this shit fuckin company so much. After 10 years of league of legends i literally cannot play it anymore. I just can't. I don't want to climb anymore when i tryharded every season so much but for what? I just lost a game on a fuckin silver 1 account. 80% kill participation, 9 cs it doesnt matter. 1/21 botlane and a kai'sa and yasuo blowing me up in three auto attacks. Toplane is so shit and so worthless. Yet they keep pushing champs like fiora scratching their heads why she can't win games not realizing how powercreeped mages, supports and adcs are. Throw in the jungler ruining your day every game of the week. Most expensive worst scaling items, where every champion gets directly nerfed whenever he becomes playable vs. mages and adcs being so fuckin ridiculous. But let me play ryze in the game before and i run around with 30 kills and 12 cs per minute. Day and night difference playing dogshit bruisers or a mage. I doubt this game will ever become reasonable again i just wish there would be another competitive online game not named dota where i'd have to invest another year just to learn the basics. Maybe trying to get into squad or hopefully hell let loose takes off rather sooner than later because it does look promising. I long so much for a WW2 based strategic shooter. Or just a new moba all together. Maybe blizzard gets their shit together and reworks HotS into a competitive game. It was definitely way more fun than league has been in the last 5 years but suffers from the same shit league has been heading to. It doesn't matter what u do if you play with chimps.
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