: Nothing feels worse than loving a champion who isn't on Riot's favorite list
What's worse is that waiting usually ends in your favorite champion getting deleted and replaced with a new, more shiny, but completely different champion.
CLG ear (NA)
: animu waifu thread
You guys are still sharing your fap folders? Some traditions never end, I guess.
: Old Eve was just a cheese monster that could oneshot late game. New Eve is not nearly as linear. At least new Eve once she blows her combo she doesn't have anything left to use. Old Eve could just keep q'ing
> [{quoted}](name=BrokenRayquaza,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1ZAFgEAj,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-05-20T12:15:44.191+0000) > > Old Eve was just a cheese monster that could oneshot late game. New Eve is not nearly as linear. At least new Eve once she blows her combo she doesn't have anything left to use. Old Eve could just keep q'ing How is that crazy? A lot of champions can stay in the fight, she doesn't even have any cc. You can kite and kill freely. There is nothing wrong with what you've described. A lot of champs do currently worse things than that.
mirAcIe (EUW)
: Opinion: There is nothing interesting about new Evelynn apart from the "sex" theme
It's cute how you guys are pretending like Evelynn has to use her W to oneshot once she got her first item. W is a warning about getting hard CC'd, something old Eve didn't even have. She can still oneshot out of stealth withoug having to cc you. >And you don't see anything wrong with that? Yikes. If a champion works in multiple roles/playstyles, then something isn't right, unless it was made specifically with that in mind. I see you only like doing what you're told. Big yikes. We just had creativity win a major international championship. Don't tell G2 you're not allowed to take Pyke top. Boring players lose. Thank god you're unaware of other champions that don't have to build the same items every game or you might want to delete them as well. >Finally, because I hate when people lie, Evelynn's popularity (pick rate + ban rate) didn't change all that much. She's picked less, but banned more. Zero sum system. Sorted by Iron. You had one job. Now start hating yourself for lying. I posted a screenshot from the same website, except I didn't sort by Iron. Also getting picked less, but getting banned more means even worse. Why would you ban something that is not even picked that often? Only because it's cancer and unfun to play against.
Ephixus (EUW)
: Because old evelynn was invisible one shot abomination, without zero reactive counter play. Ppl always been like this ABUSE what is broken,bugged, etc.
> [{quoted}](name=Ephixus,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1ZAFgEAj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-20T10:59:41.461+0000) > > Because old evelynn was invisible one shot abomination, without zero reactive counter play. Ppl always been like this ABUSE what is broken,bugged, etc. You just literally described new Evelynn. Old Eve was played in multiple builds, ad/ap/glass cannon/tanky and was sitting on a healthy winrate most of the time. They specifically got rid of all the diversity to make her a oneshot abomination with zero reactive counterplay.
Myrmiron (EUW)
: "New Eve" dude, Evelynn had like 50 remakes before that one. She has already been a thematically fitting and decent to play champion since mid Season 2.
> [{quoted}](name=Myrmiron,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1ZAFgEAj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-20T10:53:04.343+0000) > > "New Eve" dude, Evelynn had like 50 remakes before that one. She has already been a thematically fitting and decent to play champion since mid Season 2. If you want to be nitpicky at least say the correct number of reworks. Do you want me to replace New Eve with New new Eve?
Rioter Comments
: I think they should revert GA
except it's like Zhonya's but way worse
: > [{quoted}](name=mirAcIe,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZmGwxg89,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-04-30T08:25:14.856+0000) > > Can you link the charts in question. > You should also keep in mind that Lolalytics shows stats from multiple servers, brackets and for certain roles and people could be posting stats with certain filters enabled. I have no idea what servers champion.gg uses while gathering their data. LoLAlytics tells you right in the FAQ they use all matches from summoners in all regions, aka they use information from both Normal and Ranked matches. If you read the FAQ for champion.gg, it says they analyze ranked matches for summoners across all regions. There is a big difference between "all matches from all regions" and "ranked matches from all regions", which is why they do not have the same results. Most of the "Summoner Match History" sites show both ranked and normal matches combined in their results, making them super inaccurate in terms of reliable data. Seeing how normal matches have multiples of the same champion, players of all different MMR's in the same matches, and even the possibility of pre-made players against solo players, there is absolutely no way you can ever consider any site that doesn't separate Normal match champion statistics from Ranked match statistics to have useful information regarding the strength of a said champion.
> [{quoted}](name=Rainbow Slayer,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZmGwxg89,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-30T08:51:02.810+0000) > > LoLAlytics tells you right in the FAQ they use all matches from summoners in all regions, aka they use information from both Normal and Ranked matches. > > If you read the FAQ for champion.gg, it says they analyze ranked matches for summoners across all regions. > > There is a big difference between "all matches from all regions" and "ranked matches from all regions", which is why they do not have the same results. Most of the "Summoner Match History" sites show both ranked and normal matches combined in their results, making them super inaccurate in terms of reliable data. Seeing how normal matches have multiples of the same champion, players of all different MMR's in the same matches, and even the possibility of pre-made players against solo players, there is absolutely no way you can ever consider any site that doesn't separate Normal match champion statistics from Ranked match statistics to have useful information regarding the strength of a said champion. No, I meant that Lolalytics has a toolbar where you can apply filters (server, queue, rank etc) and the website will be showing you the data based on those filters.
: > [{quoted}](name=mirAcIe,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZmGwxg89,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-30T08:10:54.214+0000) > > champion.gg is certainly NOT the alternative lmao > they have been posting broken stats for months Apparently they have not been posting broken stats, seeing how overall in the chart given by RIOT they are the most accurate of all the stats sites. They have one champion on there which is slightly off, but they still have more numbers closer to the real stats than all of those other sites.
> [{quoted}](name=Rainbow Slayer,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZmGwxg89,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-30T08:14:09.826+0000) > > Apparently they have not been posting broken stats, seeing how overall in the chart given by RIOT they are the most accurate of all the stats sites. They have one champion on there which is slightly off, but they still have more numbers closer to the real stats than all of those other sites. Can you link the charts in question. You should also keep in mind that Lolalytics shows stats from multiple servers, brackets and for certain roles and people could be posting stats with certain filters enabled. I have no idea what servers champion.gg uses while gathering their data.
TheIronIuli (EUNE)
: The Riven Rework
Riven is China's favorite, there's no way they'll touch her.
: Stop Using LoLAlytics To Try To Prove Things
champion.gg is certainly NOT the alternative lmao they have been posting broken stats for months
: To all the people saying yuumi is uninspired what did you expect?
1. Flashy kit 2. uwu kawaiiiii~~~ looks 3. Weeb name Chinese playerbase will eat it up in a heartbeat. It's perfect for future quarterly skin releases. Oh you thought *your* opinion matters? Very cute, less than 10% of the playerbase.
nelogis (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ZeroAgainst,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nRdVJuoo,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-28T09:38:07.704+0000) > > that cage isnt even a skill that q is so simple and easy to use its impossible to miss the only true skill shot is that w also has a click and point nuke as his ult The cage is avoidable, if you can't avoid it than that is your problem, everyone else can avoid it. The Q is a textbook example of a skillshot By that logic Ahri Q and Charm are no skillshots I didn't count his R as a skillshot Have you any god damn idea what stat check even means?
> [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nRdVJuoo,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-02-28T10:36:44.641+0000) > > The cage is avoidable, if you can't avoid it than that is your problem, everyone else can avoid it. > > The Q is a textbook example of a skillshot > By that logic Ahri Q and Charm are no skillshots > > I didn't count his R as a skillshot > > Have you any god damn idea what stat check even means? So you're saying that having a single skillshot excuses you from being a statcheck champion? Good news then, old Aatrox had not one, but TWO skillshots. I'm waiting for the revert any day now. This was all a terrible misunderstanding.
Zeldä (NA)
: $100 for skins...
100 bucks is the price of the "prestige" tag
: It has been 10 years and Riot still hasn't flipped the Red Team's Camera
New Summoner's Rift is full of 2D assets, it's not even meant to be looked at from every angle, so this isn't even possible with this map anymore.
: Prestige KDA Evelynn??
Isn't it clear that this whole prestige thing is going to get milked to the maximum?
: @Riot Vict and Lunar Wraith Morg wings
old Morg: fallen angel wings new Morg: weird butt wings
: Remember, apples are a sin.
Relic of a better time before weebola took over.
: I Honestly Can Wait for Kayle Rework/VGU
Yeah, that's exactly how I picture people who "can't wait for VGUs". They don't actually play the champions they "like", they don't care for the gameplay or anything, they have some archetypes that they like and they just enjoy seeing things change.
: > [{quoted}](name=mirAcIe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OJrZ1A6m,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-25T13:05:27.162+0000) > > - Jungler who is played around stealth This was part of why she was reworked. Riot balanced around the majority who did not know how to ward properly. It was why she had so many changes to her stealth range. > - Has hybrid scalings and not forced to max a single stat This is more of an overall design decision. Many champions are now single stat for easier balancing. There was a plan to return some of the ad scaling to her E but that was changed. > - Capable of interacting and outplaying the opponent in a fair fight through mobility She had a ms enhancer much like udyr. It wasn't high mobility compared to say, lee sin. It is one if the biggest losses evelynn suffered and why she has issues later on in the game. It is also why hextech protobelt is all but mandatory for her. > - Stays relevant in prolonged fights Agreed, but you can get the same from other champions. > - Can be played in lane as an offmeta pick and capable of clearing waves Hextexh mlm protobelt fixes that issue. In any case if you take eve top lane the results are rather amusing. Neither versions are truly viable in lane. Not against competent opponents.
> [{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OJrZ1A6m,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-25T13:22:40.240+0000) > > This was part of why she was reworked. Riot balanced around the majority who did not know how to ward properly. It was why she had so many changes to her stealth range. Her stealth range was changed only once since her s2 rework. And it was a buff. It hasnt been touched in the 2017 VGU either. > This is more of an overall design decision. Many champions are now single stat for easier balancing. > There was a plan to return some of the ad scaling to her E but that was changed. > > She had a ms enhancer much like udyr. It wasn't high mobility compared to say, lee sin. > It is one if the biggest losses evelynn suffered and why she has issues later on in the game. > > It is also why hextech protobelt is all but mandatory for her. > > Agreed, but you can get the same from other champions. > > Yeah my point is to graphically show why this was all not as big of an issue as people are making it. Also protobelt is a terrible item on new Eve and it helps clear one wave, not the same thing really.
Rioter Comments
Raw (NA)
: Barely on here any more but Merry Christmas GD
same tbh the least knobby dot!
: CHRISTMAS SELFIE THREAD
you look sadder every year
: We have too much damage in the game because of snowball of plates and broken broken drakes right now. Lategame doesnt exist and Ie is utter garbage. Revert Ie, remove like 7-8% from red drake and we good. Currently champions just explode randomly at some point of the game because riot wants this game to be as fast as fortnite because kids dont have the mental power to enjoy 1 game for 40-50 minutes~
> [{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tetEq7Qa,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-12-24T15:58:37.705+0000) > > We have too much damage in the game because of snowball of plates and broken broken drakes right now. > Lategame doesnt exist and Ie is utter garbage. > Revert Ie, remove like 7-8% from red drake and we good. > Currently champions just explode randomly at some point of the game because riot wants this game to be as fast as fortnite because kids dont have the mental power to enjoy 1 game for 40-50 minutes~ wow a famous streamer in my thread, I feel honored that weeb avatar though, unsubscribed
Rioter Comments
: League will not be around in 2020
League of Legends 2 will be the shit tho
: new akali isnt as hot as
revert eve, wait wait, let me finish, revert eve, but let all the r34 fanart stay see, now that sounds like a perfect idea
Šucc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HltEWXhe,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-23T07:39:17.707+0000) > > That probably isn't what your mmr actually is Should i not trust op.gg? i usually do but maybe i shoudln't.
> [{quoted}](name=Šucc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HltEWXhe,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-23T07:44:25.634+0000) > > Should i not trust op.gg? i usually do but maybe i shoudln't. It just means they guessed wrong. OP.GG's MMR is not endorsed by Riot games and their ranked system.
: All I have to say is, join the club. I've already lost all of my mains {{champion:14}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:31}} I can explain Cho if you like, but in a short summary, they ruined him with his W changes and ult rework. When they do a full rework, they don't revert it. Ever. Sorry man, but old Akali is dead. They also don't revert things that people widely like without understanding (like Cho's ult) even if it makes the character worse off for it. Mind you, the only character I ever played "how you're supposed to" was Irelia, and even that I'd changed up near the end of her life cycle.
> [{quoted}](name=ZerglingOne,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xQ8pPiLs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-22T21:17:51.063+0000) > > All I have to say is, join the club. > > I've already lost all of my mains > {{champion:14}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:31}} > > I can explain Cho if you like, but in a short summary, they ruined him with his W changes and ult rework. > > When they do a full rework, they don't revert it. Ever. Sorry man, but old Akali is dead. They also don't revert things that people widely like without understanding (like Cho's ult) even if it makes the character worse off for it. > > Mind you, the only character I ever played "how you're supposed to" was Irelia, and even that I'd changed up near the end of her life cycle. Add {{champion:28}} to the list. Fun an exciting reset assassin/fighter turned into a walking uninteractive stat check with the same build and play pattern in every situation.
: What is, in your opinion, the worst designed champion in this game?
Evelynn. The long awaited rework, that was supposed to be only visual, instead took at 180 turn on the playstyle and turned an exciting reset assassin/fighter into a slow and boring burst mage that gets banned 80% of the time if viable.
: Riot, I think it's time to move on. Or should I say, move forward.
But can you retcon and rewrite lore as easily in an MMO where continuity matters?
Kelg (NA)
: old eve was ugly
> [{quoted}](name=Kelg,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OEMujtIk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-20T22:32:33.634+0000) > > old eve was ugly no u but yeh, for a model made in 2009, it lacked sum sweet polygons
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=mirAcIe,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=FtymrbnY,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-18T10:34:06.113+0000) > > You must be fun at parties. "Dark and mysterious past" wasn't *literally* every champion's lore either. But it was used enough times to become a meme. but literally like... 5 champions I can think of meet "dark and mysterious past" requirements. The rest of them might have a dark past, but not mysterious at all. So if you're trying to make a joke by using that phrase, it's not a very good joke because it doesn't apply very well here.
> [{quoted}](name=The Trent,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=FtymrbnY,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-19T08:08:19.396+0000) > > but literally like... 5 champions I can think of meet "dark and mysterious past" requirements. The rest of them might have a dark past, but not mysterious at all. So if you're trying to make a joke by using that phrase, it's not a very good joke because it doesn't apply very well here. That was exactly my point. Maybe you're unaware but "dark and mysterious past" has been a meme for a while. I didn't come up with it and it didn't require every champion to have that lore. Seems like now they decided to "fix" that issue by just saying that "everyone they knew got murdered". Much better lol.
: Shyvana's Lore and Gameplay Contradict Eachother
So does Eve's but one cares that in game she seduces while being a demon and does the murdering while being a harlot.
: > [{quoted}](name=mirAcIe,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=FtymrbnY,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-12-17T19:54:19.788+0000) > > lol is every champion's background mass murder now? Is that the new "dark and mysterious past"? There are a ton of champions that don't have that background... I think you're thinking of all the new Ionian champs. Yes most, of their people were murdered by Noxus. That kinda how it be for them. A lot of champion's backstories aren't mass murder tho so idk what ur talkin about.
> [{quoted}](name=The Trent,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=FtymrbnY,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-18T08:41:09.349+0000) > > There are a ton of champions that don't have that background... I think you're thinking of all the new Ionian champs. Yes most, of their people were murdered by Noxus. That kinda how it be for them. A lot of champion's backstories aren't mass murder tho so idk what ur talkin about. You must be fun at parties. "Dark and mysterious past" wasn't *literally* every champion's lore either. But it was used enough times to become a meme.
: Fact: Most full VGUs could have been released as new champions and no one would have said a thing
>New Evelynn actually has a telegraphed ability and easy to kill when caught. Do you even play League? New ult is the best escape tool in the game while also being a massive aoe execute. And her "telegraphed" ability is her cc, which she doesnt need to oneshot past 2 items. New Evelynn has been played less but banned more, literally the definition of a bad design. Unfun to play as or against. And you still blindly defend the rework due to some unexplained desire to believe that Riot can do no wrong. Dozens of devs killed their own games wih poor choices, you dont need to defend them like holy bible arguing about things you barely know about. You have been multiple times corrected on your knowledge of playrates and winrates of reworked champions and you never even address it. You keep pulling statements that supposedly prove you right out of thin air. Heres a quick summary: "Nobody played Eve, she needed rework" "Here, look, she was played more than Nueve" "Oh well she was OP and had no counterplay" "Look at her winrate, its been around 50% for months" "But she was cheesy and unfun to play against" "Look at the stats, she is banned more now than before" "Thats because shes finally viable, she was garbage before" So which is it? Make up your mind lmao
: Fact: Most full VGUs could have been released as new champions and no one would have said a thing
this discussion always comes down to the same argument "I'm fine with Riot deleting champions because it doesn't affect me". Idk why people resort to such mental gymnastics instead of just admitting it.
: > [{quoted}](name=mirAcIe,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=FtymrbnY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-17T11:05:51.874+0000) > > and then someone said, fuck it, just make some weeb shit I think they were exploring between making her super hostile and animal like or really hopeful and they just ended with hopeful. If you read her lore, you know the thing that explains the reason a champion is the way they are, you'd know her tribe was mass murdered. Most likely that concept art showed what she would be like if she didn't regain hope and she just became scared of everything.
> [{quoted}](name=The Trent,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=FtymrbnY,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-17T13:42:43.091+0000) > > I think they were exploring between making her super hostile and animal like or really hopeful and they just ended with hopeful. If you read her lore, you know the thing that explains the reason a champion is the way they are, you'd know her tribe was mass murdered. Most likely that concept art showed what she would be like if she didn't regain hope and she just became scared of everything. lol is every champion's background mass murder now? Is that the new "dark and mysterious past"?
: Yes, they could have. And then we'd have like a dozen characters that were terrible, and that pretty much no one played, just eating up resources.
> [{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8bnrTWvO,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-12-17T19:24:32.949+0000) > > Yes, they could have. And then we'd have like a dozen characters that were terrible, and that pretty much no one played, just eating up resources. Half the reworks are hella unfun to play against and have same playrate as pre-reworked champions or lower. The game would have been better off without them.
: Fact: Most full VGUs could have been released as new champions and no one would have said a thing
ITT: People who didn't play or care for the reworked champions claim that reworks are the same because they are ignorant to the subject.
Skelenth (EUW)
: Neeko concept art was some hot shit yo
and then someone said, fuck it, just make some weeb shit
: > [{quoted}](name=Éve,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5kEkM1La,comment-id=000f0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T05:43:32.816+0000) > > Except you can also land charm on the hatespikes themselves, no skill required. Ahri's charm has significantly more outplay potential. You still have to be pretty close to them to land the hatespikes. That's why I said they're not comparable. To me it just takes more thought to plan out which target you will charm (thinking in a teamfight situation or ganking bot lane) and then getting some damage on them after 2.5 seconds but before they run away, than just pressing E at someone.
> [{quoted}](name=hoshizuku,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5kEkM1La,comment-id=000f00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T05:50:03.148+0000) > > You still have to be pretty close to them to land the hatespikes. That's why I said they're not comparable. To me it just takes more thought to plan out which target you will charm (thinking in a teamfight situation or ganking bot lane) and then getting some damage on them after 2.5 seconds but before they run away, than just pressing E at someone. What planning? Your W is a point and click 5 second debuff that effectively forces the enemy to flee because they are gonna be punished for fighting back for the next FIVE seconds. Eve might as well go in head first cause enemy will get charmed and if something goes wrong LUL R. The only thing that takes effort when playing Eve is coping with how boring she is when your abilities are on cooldown.
: "stop talking, you're 0/5"
"stop talking, ~~you're 0/5~~" fixed it for you if you're not going to call a play, don't talk in chat
: Smashing your hand into your keyboard repeatedly does not make you not one-dimensional.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=jy37weRb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-07T14:07:30.489+0000) > > Smashing your hand into your keyboard repeatedly does not make you not one-dimensional. Well, at least she had one full dimension to work with.
: "You Banned My Champ!" "You Stole My Champ!"
Yeah, and after you banned my toy I choose to play with my second favorite toy called ghost cleanse Nunu
: Rito Has Been Bamboozled
Thanks for paying for server maintenance
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: > [{quoted}](name=mirAcIe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yfExqoYQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-04T09:18:22.212+0000) > > The issue that autofilled vs non-autofilled lane can decide the outcome of a match wasn’t even an issue before. The new champselect that was introduced in 2016 is. Allowing people to queue for roles breeds onetricks and barely competent players who wouldn’t get out of Bronze in seasons 1-5. > > You have to own a certain amount of champions to queue up for draft for a reason. In seasons 1-5 you were supposed to be decent at every role before entering ranked which was better for the game. Ranked is a competitive game mode that is not supposed to guarantee you comfort picks. It’s supposed to challenge you to become a better player, not a better onetrick. > > Suggestion: bring back old champselect for ranked, leave the role queue for flex and normals. No, season 1-5 was a shit fest of toxic premades who ALWAYS got what role they wanted and dominated the scene.
> [{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yfExqoYQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-04T09:33:12.728+0000) > > No, season 1-5 was a shit fest of toxic premades who ALWAYS got what role they wanted and dominated the scene. It's better than being forced into onetricking by game design.
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