: >but unfortunately they were played in mid and bot (AKA not top lane) Why did you have to make your thread invalid with that wrong claim? Pyke got played in the top lane as a solo laner, so this is obviously not true.
Yeah but he got ALSO played in mid, and we can't have anything anti-fun outside of top lane so that is why he is getting fucked over if you want to continue playing him in a solo lane
: "ggez"
People would change to "gg e-z" "ggezzz" "gee gee eezy" "literally uninstall the game lmao you have no future in this game you hardstuck Iron 4 #@#@# literally sitting in this elo for 400 games LUL, you're an insult to humanity and to your family don't act like you don't know it yourself you sad little #@#@# stick to one trickking Annie maybe then you will achieve something in your life that doesn't end in total failure" "gg eeasey" If people want to rub something in your face they will find a way so censoring ggez wont do anything.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T11:39:44.934+0000) > > Of course you would prefer this one because this one is unplayable in SoloQ > > Would you also prefer the freshly reworked version? Yes, because even that still had more counterplay then the old one.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T11:49:58.800+0000) > > Yes, because even that still had more counterplay then the old one. Yeah you banned her, that was the counterplay
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RAdrZf2P,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-21T11:46:05.981+0000) > > Don't know from where you're finding a 56% winrate, the highest I can see is 53% on Plat+ (League of Graphs) > > Also the champ has a 1% banrate want to compare that to the shit that is happening over at top? Sorry, 52 to 56% https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=iron https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=bronze https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=silver https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=gold https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=platinum https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=diamond https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=master https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=grandmaster https://u.gg/lol/champions/sona/build/?rank=challenger Because people are too busy banning other shit, the Taric Sona strat is dumb, but because people are so caught up on the other things, she just gets to cost on her beyond stupid win rate freely, much like how Jinx is.
The ranks Master / Grandmaster / Challenger shouldn't be counted when discussing raw winrate numbers. Sample size is too small so the highest elo you can count in there is diamond with the 53% I mentioned above. It's not 56% it's 53%
Jamaree (NA)
: Sona had...like a 56% win rate?
Don't know from where you're finding a 56% winrate, the highest I can see is 53% on Plat+ (League of Graphs) Also the champ has a 1% banrate want to compare that to the shit that is happening over at top?
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-21T08:20:16.254+0000) > > You know what the funny part is? > > She was easier to deal with in that state than she is now. > Maybe "just have more stats" is actually healthier than "I have 13 dashes and can go invisible for 10 seconds but I'm skillshot oriented so it's fine lmao just dodge" > > Back then you had to get a Hexdrinker and boom done or a Negatron when you were a mage, boom done. > Now? If she is remotely viable just ban her because there is nothing else to do, what an improvement. I would prefer this over that one ANY day.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T10:19:05.128+0000) > > I would prefer this over that one ANY day. Of course you would prefer this one because this one is unplayable in SoloQ Would you also prefer the freshly reworked version?
Rioter Comments
Yenn (NA)
: Ryze needs his safety improved in order to be viable outside of top lane
> Increase Flux range and partially revert the bounce, so it doesn't go to champions unless it kills the minion. This will incidentally make him less overbearing in top lane, as he can no longer dumpster melee champions without meeting any conditions. No actually it will make it impossible for top laners to deal with Ryze. You're "condition" is literally the old condition before the rework and that hasn't stopped Ryze from terrorizing top whenever he was viable in general. If you improve Ryze safety by range he will ESPECIALLY be better in top lane, not mid. What you need to do is reduce safety against heavy engage / melee aggression and increase safety against ranged poke / waveclear to make him better in mid.
Jamaree (NA)
: No one complained about old Akali because she didn't get played, and when she did, people realized how cancer a "have the stats to survive my level six or die" no counterplay champion she was.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-21T07:58:08.969+0000) > > No one complained about old Akali because she didn't get played, and when she did, people realized how cancer a "have the stats to survive my level six or die" no counterplay champion she was. You know what the funny part is? She was easier to deal with in that state than she is now. Maybe "just have more stats" is actually healthier than "I have 13 dashes and can go invisible for 10 seconds but I'm skillshot oriented so it's fine lmao just dodge" Back then you had to get a Hexdrinker and boom done or a Negatron when you were a mage, boom done. Now? If she is remotely viable just ban her because there is nothing else to do, what an improvement.
nelogis (EUW)
: Skarner is now a Diver, not a Juggernaut. Poppy used to be a Fighter Subclass, now she is a tank. Reworks can shift the playpattern of a champion. Same with Sion rework or Urgot rework
okay, tell me how his kit comparable to the rest of the Juggernauts I posted
nelogis (EUW)
: Skarner is now a Diver, not a Juggernaut. Poppy used to be a Fighter Subclass, now she is a tank. Reworks can shift the playpattern of a champion. Same with Sion rework or Urgot rework
He got a rework, he didn't always had those crystals on the map And never was it stated anywhere that he got reworked INTO a Juggernaut, he might have been one before the rework hence why they called it a Juggernaut update because Juggernauts got changed, doesn't mean every single one of them stayed a Juggernaut
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cO89Kven,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T09:48:01.020+0000) > > Skarner isn't a Juggernaut what the hell > > These are the only Juggernauts in the game: > > {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:83}} > > These are the ONLY Juggernauts, there isn't any other one. > > https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Juggernaut_champion not quite sure when skarner just randomly stopped being a juggernaut, he was never drastically changed since he was updated in the JUGGERNAUT REWORK, this is a case of the wiki being wrong....
Skarner is now a Diver, not a Juggernaut. Poppy used to be a Fighter Subclass, now she is a tank. Reworks can shift the playpattern of a champion. Same with Sion rework or Urgot rework
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dyromic,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cO89Kven,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T09:27:23.427+0000) > > Juggernauts are immobile damage machines with no or very little CC in their kits: > {{champion:122}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:6}} see the problem this idea is, {{champion:72}} is a jugguarnaut and he has a decent amount of CC
Skarner isn't a Juggernaut what the hell These are the only Juggernauts in the game: {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:83}} These are the ONLY Juggernauts, there isn't any other one. https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Juggernaut_champion
: Quick Tip: Did you know..
I don't think Riot handles out bans when people are toxic in direct messages. You kind of agreed to talk with the guy by accepting the friend request
: > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naHsArw8,comment-id=0000000000000001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-11T15:04:47.834+0000) > > He has absolutely no reason to trade with you if you are the one losing cs because you are waiting for him to push so you can start "wave manipulating", which will be the equivalent to cs-ing under turret since he wont let the wave crash into you unless it will be under your turret how did you even get 70% win rate with gp without understanding wave manipulation ... i guess mid lane is way too dependant on wave clear and not so much on actually actively manipulating the lane > You are the one screaming wave management but fail to understand even the most basics of it ... > He is in total control of the wave if you don't go aggressive and you can't go aggressive because it's TK ... > Funny how the champs I listed follow the theory I just told you > But keep picking Nasus into Renekton I guess then keep picking imobile champs into tahm kench fuck up your wave control and expect to be winning the lane your double standards are showing > Doesn't matter if the game ends in 25 minutes because you couldn't do anything to stop the game from ending If he played it well he should win at that time your goal in the game is to prevent that > How great yeah lets just keep it that way NO! > Actually let's ENFORCE IT! where did i say i was enforcing or liking it bot lane decides games since forever it's not an opinion it's a fact > Go play mid GP pls do it, for the love of god just do it. But in your main elo in ranked, not normals where everyone trolls. everyone trolls even in my main elo and i dislike gp as a champion im not going to start playing adc because they decide games im going to be playing my game and try to beat them while doing so you are the only ones refusing to adapt > Go gain your 70% winrate with the unkillable lane bully GP mid. irrelevant for me it's a comment towards your achievement but i guess me expecting you to understand why you are having such success was ambitious on my part > Your concept of winning lane is being behind 20 cs and hoping your other lanes won. no my concept of winning lane by losing in cs is that in reality it is so against tahm kench specifically this concept isn't applicable against all champions but it is particularly applicable when fighting tahm kench
> how did you even get 70% win rate with gp without understanding wave manipulation ... i guess mid lane is way too dependant on wave clear and not so much on actually actively manipulating the lane Oh all knowing messiah pls tell me why TK would do anything but slow push the wave while he starves you out of CS and on the last one just let it all crash into your tower. There is literally nothing else logical to do what do you want to do? heal enemy minions? sorry lad doesn't work anymore, hasnt worked for a long time actually. > then keep picking imobile champs into tahm kench fuck up your wave control and expect to be winning the lane > your double standards are showing And you can keep picking your safe ranged champs with PR into TK or pick TK yourself and never understand what the problem is. > If he played it well he should win at that time > your goal in the game is to prevent that If I want to prevent that I need to be the aggressor and you can't be the aggressor against TK. He is like a stone wall. > where did i say i was enforcing or liking it bot lane decides games since forever > it's not an opinion it's a fact You justified the argument of TK making yourself as useless as himself after laning phase with these words. > you are the only ones refusing to adapt Oh but we couldn't adapt to Heimer bot or Malzahar support or Maokai support or literally any mage in the bot position ever picked! But when it comes to top we gotta adapt, we have to adapt to that Neeko we have to adapt to the Vayne to the Viktor to Akali to Lissandra to Karma to Rengar because when it comes to top lane the balance jumps down into an abyss. No, top is done adapting, it has the biggest champ pool of all lanes, go take your adaptation and put it somewhere else. That ADC role looks kind of stingy put the diversity there and watch them cry that they are getting poked under tower by Xerath Veigar barraging them with spells non stop and then tell them to adapt. > irrelevant for me it's a comment towards your achievement but i guess me expecting you to understand why you are having such success was ambitious on my part I have 1.2 million mastery points on GP i know everything there is to know about this champion and since it looks like you haven't had a single actual GP game under your belt, the only logical thing would be is to listen to the guy saying GP mid is anything but abusive or unkillable, the reason I find success with the guy in mid is because he scales harder than most mages not because I bully out the mages from mid. > but it is particularly applicable when fighting tahm kench That isn't winning, that is hoping that your team isn't shit If you call that playing the game might as well toss a coin.
: > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naHsArw8,comment-id=00000000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-11T14:03:28.613+0000) > > He is in charge of the wave since he is the aggressor? hello? > Your tip here is banking on TK fucking up his own wave management if he wants to trade with you he will be pushing the wave do i really need to explain wave manipulation to you > I told you 2 times by now what is strong against Rene, I wont repeat myself again, maybe don't pick the guy that can neither cc buffer his combo or force a longer trade against him, might be a start who knows. theory is a fine argument > This doesn't even have anything to do with wave manipulation do you just like the word or what? it does > Pre-rework Nunu levels of stupid like I said, at this point all the champion does is to make the enemy as useless as himself, great. you mean the champion that could only deny your own jungle was stupid indeed > Darius is decent into TK in a sense that he can cheese TK in early levels, after TK has 1 tank item Darius has to sit back again and "wave manipulation" AKA miss half the cs i beat tk with darius throughout all parts of the game after i beat him once wave manipulation is your biggest friend bro > Winning lane =/= Surviving lane against tk it's synonymous as TKs win rate drops 6% with game time with him having the highest winrate at 20minutes > If you wanted to have an impact on the game then you can forget that, oh bot lost? well you made yourself useless since you had Tahm as an enemy so you automatically lost aswell, gg wp haha better top wins since when was top lane relevant lol bot lane decides games since ever > Jesus christ pls go play GP mid before telling me he is abusive in lane > The mid lane GP terror lmao, post this on the GP mains subreddit so they can have a laugh, we're in pretty dire times for GP as a champ they could use the laugh. yes im seeing plenty of gp mains cry rivers including tobias and then i am seeing challenger gp mains that can't be killed in lane how can you be ignoring this strength of his while having 70% win rate with him? beyond me > Yeah you just don't play against Tahm and if you do you pick safe ranged matchups there isn't any other explanation off the top of my head on why you can't see a difference. more than one way to win a lane killing your opponent is just 1 of those ways hard concept i know
> if he wants to trade with you he will be pushing the wave > do i really need to explain wave manipulation to you He has absolutely no reason to trade with you if you are the one losing cs because you are waiting for him to push so you can start "wave manipulating", which will be the equivalent to cs-ing under turret since he wont let the wave crash into you unless it will be under your turret You are the one screaming wave management but fail to understand even the most basics of it He is in total control of the wave if you don't go aggressive and you can't go aggressive because it's TK > theory is a fine argument Funny how the champs I listed follow the theory I just told you But keep picking Nasus into Renekton I guess > against tk it's synonymous as TKs win rate drops 6% with game time with him having the highest winrate at 20minutes Doesn't matter if the game ends in 25 minutes because you couldn't do anything to stop the game from ending > since when was top lane relevant lol > bot lane decides games since ever How great yeah lets just keep it that way NO! Actually let's ENFORCE IT! Any top laner that has more gold than the ADC will be robbed of their gold, how dare these filthy creatues try to play the game and have an impact fucking monkeys deserve to be in the cage god dammit! Great mind set, you work at the balance team by any chance? > yes im seeing plenty of gp mains cry rivers including tobias > and then i am seeing challenger gp mains that can't be killed in lane > how can you be ignoring this strength of his while having 70% win rate with him? beyond me Go play mid GP pls do it, for the love of god just do it. But in your main elo in ranked, not normals where everyone trolls. Go gain your 70% winrate with the unkillable lane bully GP mid. > more than one way to win a lane > killing your opponent is just 1 of those ways > hard concept i know Your concept of winning lane is being behind 20 cs and hoping your other lanes won. A real winner
Shahamut (NA)
: I'd rather fight Tahm than Neeko...
: > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naHsArw8,comment-id=000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-11T12:31:16.076+0000) > > He is going to do the same shit the next time you are trying to cs? > Then what? > wave manipulation hard concept > Run away for the entire laning phase? wave manipulation ultra hard concept > Not even Renekton is that oppressive and that really says something. some champions have absolutely no answer to renekton and can't even stay under turret the days of picking nasus into renekton and thinking i can farm under tower are long gona tabis and chain vest? well he still does 40% of my hp for 1 turret shot so all he has to do is repeat the trade 3 times and i can't really trade back into him if somehow the renekton player is trash and lets you live through the lane phase you can start winning but as i said depending on the player to fuck up is different from depending on the counter play to fuck up > No he can't, only looks like he denies the damage because he heals it at the same time. > Same with QSS, you can get away from the cc but the damage will still be dealt. then what ive experienced is a bug since ive devoured rengars with 100 hp and they go out of my belly with 400 hp and as far as i know damage comes before healing as the damage is dealt after throwing up your opponent some cleanses may completely ignore the throw up part of the ability > You just traded a 20 second cooldown and an 80 mana ability that will run you oom faster than a Brand starting with cull and spamming abilities off cooldown for a 6 second ability and 50 mana > FeelsGoodMan first 4 levels wave manipulation uber hard concept > Yes and how many champs actually want PR outside of not dying to Tahm? Also what keeps Tahm away from just getting PR himself, or even better, how are you going to hit him 3 times (if you are a melee) before he will devourer / stun you and win the trade no matter what? > Do you want to be able to lane successfully and get out of the lane safely or tunnel on a build path? your choice > Of course Swain with Phase Rush will be able to escape or Ryze with Phase Rush > except for swain Ryze is meta and is really strong vlad also uses phase rush but vlad doesn't have the damage to punch through the health pool of kench so having PR doesn't really matter in that matchup he can easily farm and sustain through it tho > Tell me one > darius surprisingly does really well into kench keep the trades short and you reach a point where you can kill him before he can kill you ie COUNTER PLAY oh my god super hard concept > Yeah dude you just have to never get close to him AKA lose about 60% of all cs, you have to get a Keystone you propably don't want and have to build MR that you propably don't need or delays your core item by a lot > wave manipulation > In short you have to make yourself as useless as Tahm after laning phase, what a great champion! Should totally be preserved! > what? going even in lane means you won the lane goign even 20 cs behind means you won the lane... > This is pre-rework Nunu levels of stupid > nunu wasn't even strong > GP abusive in mid? eh? ok man > yeah hardly any mid laner can kill gp on his own beg for ganks or see the gp 1 shot your team im pretty sure you can't deny that with your 70% win rate as im safe to assume that you actually know how safe he is in lane > Yeah that is how a lane bully works what a shocker. the champs I listed somehow still fuck him over almost like > and somehow tahm being a lane bully is SOMEHOW any different > Who would have thought. If you sit there like a duck waiting to be 1 shot he will eventually 1 shot you. and somehow meleeing tahm and ignoring wave manipulation is no counter play to an immobile tank with a 15s kill timer
> wave manipulation hard concept He is in charge of the wave since he is the aggressor? hello? Your tip here is banking on TK fucking up his own wave management > if somehow the renekton player is trash and lets you live through the lane phase you can start winning but as i said depending on the player to fuck up is different from depending on the counter play to fuck up I told you 2 times by now what is strong against Rene, I wont repeat myself again, maybe don't pick the guy that can neither cc buffer his combo or force a longer trade against him, might be a start who knows. > first 4 levels > wave manipulation > uber hard concept This doesn't even have anything to do with wave manipulation do you just like the word or what? > Do you want to be able to lane successfully and get out of the lane safely or tunnel on a build path? > your choice Pre-rework Nunu levels of stupid like I said, at this point all the champion does is to make the enemy as useless as himself, great. > darius surprisingly does really well into kench > keep the trades short and you reach a point where you can kill him before he can kill you > ie COUNTER PLAY oh my god super hard concept Darius is decent into TK in a sense that he can cheese TK in early levels, after TK has 1 tank item Darius has to sit back again and "wave manipulation" AKA miss half the cs > wave manipulation That your favorite word? Mine is Rubble Scrababble > what? going even in lane means you won the lane > goign even 20 cs behind means you won the lane... Winning lane =/= Surviving lane If you wanted to have an impact on the game then you can forget that, oh bot lost? well you made yourself useless since you had Tahm as an enemy so you automatically lost aswell, gg wp haha better top wins > yeah hardly any mid laner can kill gp on his own > beg for ganks or see the gp 1 shot your team > im pretty sure you can't deny that with your 70% win rate as im safe to assume that you actually know how safe he is in lane Jesus christ pls go play GP mid before telling me he is abusive in lane The mid lane GP terror lmao, post this on the GP mains subreddit so they can have a laugh, we're in pretty dire times for GP as a champ they could use the laugh. > and somehow tahm being a lane bully is SOMEHOW any different Yeah you just don't play against Tahm and if you do you pick safe ranged matchups there isn't any other explanation off the top of my head on why you can't see a difference. > and somehow meleeing tahm and ignoring wave manipulation is no counter play to an immobile tank with a 15s kill timer Rubble Scrababble
: > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naHsArw8,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-11T11:47:18.293+0000) > > You can't get away and you can't fight him in the 10-15 seconds, care to explain how it is any different? > > Was an easy question, don't know why you are confused > > I'm playing GP Mid but good job on the detective work sherlock. GP top is cancer even for the guy playing GP. > > Illaoi is a straight up joke > Rene has trouble against anything with CC-Buffer or stuff that can force extended trades and excel at those. A lot of champs fall into that category. > Stuff like Daius / Jax / Fiora / Shen / Poppy jada jada blah blah you get the idea > > Also nice that you recently picked up Tahm Top, good champ right? > Of course it would be hard to understand what the problem with Top Tahm is if you are the one playing Top Tahm. > ;) oh no im perfectly aware of why tahm is strong and im perfectly aware why people find him hard to deal with but i myself don't find issues fighting tahm it matters a lot because if you have any form of negating his slow in that time or any form of cleanse he can't do anything to you gp can deny the devour damage you can cleanse the q slow and he won't be able to catch back up phase rush completely stops him from being able to reliably kill you conq on some champions is so strong that tahm can't kill them through it and if by any chance those champions buy mr it even becomes more stupid to deal with now does everyone understand that you have to play around tks strengths to beat him and not just smash their head against him and hope to win? definitely not and thats why tk has this success because people are idiots and have no concept of actually playing with intention and somehow you playing him mid invalidates how abusive of a champion he is? again you are playing gp and you don't have to deal with half the bullshit that is top lane and as you are not playing top lane you are completely clueless on the state of the lane renekton dictates the lane he decides when to trade and if you are in 1 shot range there is barely anything you can do to stop it
> it matters a lot because if you have any form of negating his slow in that time or any form of cleanse he can't do anything to you He is going to do the same shit the next time you are trying to cs? Then what? Run away for the entire laning phase? Not even Renekton is that oppressive and that really says something. > gp can deny the devour damage No he can't, only looks like he denies the damage because he heals it at the same time. Same with QSS, you can get away from the cc but the damage will still be dealt. > you can cleanse the q slow and he won't be able to catch back up You just traded a 20 second cooldown and an 80 mana ability that will run you oom faster than a Brand starting with cull and spamming abilities off cooldown for a 6 second ability and 50 mana FeelsGoodMan > phase rush completely stops him from being able to reliably kill you Yes and how many champs actually want PR outside of not dying to Tahm? Also what keeps Tahm away from just getting PR himself, or even better, how are you going to hit him 3 times (if you are a melee) before he will devourer / stun you and win the trade no matter what? Of course Swain with Phase Rush will be able to escape or Ryze with Phase Rush > conq on some champions is so strong that tahm can't kill them through it and if by any chance those champions buy mr it even becomes more stupid to deal with Tell me one > now does everyone understand that you have to play around tks strengths to beat him and not just smash their head against him and hope to win? definitely not and thats why tk has this success because people are idiots and have no concept of actually playing with intention Yeah dude you just have to never get close to him AKA lose about 60% of all cs, you have to get a Keystone you propably don't want and have to build MR that you propably don't need or delays your core item by a lot In short you have to make yourself as useless as Tahm after laning phase, what a great champion! Should totally be preserved! This is pre-rework Nunu levels of stupid "Should have instantly rushed QSS as Sona when facing Malzahar LUL" Why did we remove Malz everyone just had to rush QSS looks like everyone was just an idiot. > and somehow you playing him mid invalidates how abusive of a champion he is? > again you are playing gp and you don't have to deal with half the bullshit that is top lane and as you are not playing top lane you are completely clueless on the state of the lane GP abusive in mid? eh? ok man I said I don't play GP Top I never said that I don't play Top, I haven't played on this account for ages. GP is the only guy I play Mid, the entire rest of my roster is Top lane which consists of Trundle / Darius / WW / Urgot / Mundo / Olaf / Yorick / Nasus and then the occasional whatever pick if I'm feeling bored. > renekton dictates the lane > he decides when to trade > and if you are in 1 shot range there is barely anything you can do to stop it Yeah that is how a lane bully works what a shocker. the champs I listed somehow still fuck him over almost like > Rene has trouble against anything with CC-Buffer or stuff that can force extended trades and excel at those. A lot of champs fall into that category. > Stuff like Daius / Jax / Fiora / Shen / Poppy jada jada blah blah you get the idea Who would have thought. If you sit there like a duck waiting to be 1 shot he will eventually 1 shot you.
: > Doesn't matter if it takes 10-15 seconds oh it matters a lot > Do you even play top? ????? > Renekton and Illaoi have clear counters You never played against people that know how to lane with those champions considering you are a gp OTP you don't even have to deal with half the bullshit that is in top lane because your champion is just as abusive
> oh it matters a lot You can't get away and you can't fight him in the 10-15 seconds, care to explain how it is any different? > ????? Was an easy question, don't know why you are confused > You never played against people that know how to lane with those champions > considering you are a gp OTP you don't even have to deal with half the bullshit that is in top lane because your champion is just as abusive I'm playing GP Mid but good job on the detective work sherlock. GP top is cancer even for the guy playing GP. Illaoi is a straight up joke Rene has trouble against anything with CC-Buffer or stuff that can force extended trades and excel at those. A lot of champs fall into that category. Stuff like Daius / Jax / Fiora / Shen / Poppy jada jada blah blah you get the idea Also nice that you recently picked up Tahm Top, good champ right? Of course it would be hard to understand what the problem with Top Tahm is if you are the one playing Top Tahm. ;)
: haimer wasn't touched to remove him from bot his ult was nerfed to reduce his dive potential because most haimers that weren't stupid would ult q and if they land the stun you would get 1 shot dove by a supposed squishy champion without counter play because even if you flash the stun the turrets far out damage any champion malza bot was toxic to play against because unlike tahm that takes 10-15s to kill you malza had 1 button to play with that resulted in kills any time he wished it renekton illaoi and riven haimer and gnar don't allow you to play top lane as well when is the last time you had the amazing experience to play against haimer?
> haimer wasn't touched to remove him from bot > his ult was nerfed to reduce his dive potential > because most haimers that weren't stupid would ult q and if they land the stun you would get 1 shot dove by a supposed squishy champion without counter play > because even if you flash the stun the turrets far out damage any champio Heimer... dive potential? You sure we are talking about the same champ? The reason he was removed from bot is because of his stun. He is balanced around the fact that he can't reliable stun people, but if there is a support to set it up he can instagib anything remotely squishy. And guess what it was, cancer to play against but it isn't in top so it got removed instantly. > malza bot was toxic to play against > because unlike tahm that takes 10-15s to kill you > malza had 1 button to play with that resulted in kills any time he wished it Doesn't matter if it takes 10-15 seconds (it doesn't take that long) you can't do anything while he sticks to you like a fly to a piece of shit, so it's like Malzahar ulting you for 10-15 seconds. Do you even play top? > renekton illaoi and riven > haimer and gnar don't allow you to play top lane as well > when is the last time you had the amazing experience to play against haimer? Renekton and Illaoi have clear counters and windows of power you can abuse (Illaoi in general is a joke) I never said that Heimer, Riven and Gnar were fine in top lane, if anything this further proves my point in that Top lane has the most toxic champs in it. Tahm shits on your early game aggession because of his insane shield, he shits on your poke because of his insane regen, Tahm shits on everything apart from 3 champs, maybe 4.
Rioter Comments
: Can we make an OPT to join voice chat in League in ranked please?
This game badly needs ways to better communicate with your team with each champion needing more team coordination than the previous one. Yuumi being a prime example.
: Why every single time when I have ryze in my team he ends up 0:9 or something like that?
> How i'm suppose to carry that game? My skill in s4 when i still played this game used to be like low plat. A low plat player can easily carry a silver game
darkdill (NA)
: With so many thieving Champions now in the roster, when are we gonna get one who steals control?
Julevi (EUW)
: I don't know what OPs thoughts are here but I would support it being an AP item as it could help the supporters on botlane. It could provide a bit of armor against the ADC, gives you damage and the last hit gold is helps you earning some extra money without tilting your own ADC.
In the support role only damage supports and enchanters can use this thing. I just don't see either of them getting this item over anything else, why would you get this as an enchanter over Ardent for example? Why would you get this over Liandries for Brand / Zyra? The next thing is, if a support gets this, the wave will be perma pushing into the enemy, you will be open for the jungler to gank 24/7. Also in this version, if the buffed up minions kill other minions the owner of Banner will get the gold (aka the support will actually be passively farming). The best thing I can compare this to is that a support Morgana just spams her AOE on the minion wave and tells the ADC to deal with it. The way I see it, the best use for this would be if your teamcomp is great at sieging and you are an initiator, this would be a fantastic item (especially if you add the Captain Enchantment as a passive) But I don't see this being useful as a laning item, maybe a splitpusher will like this too but they already have Zz'Rot for that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Myrmiron,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oerxunoT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-06T11:44:05.406+0000) > > In the eyes of the system everyone in the game is roughly at the same skill level every game below ridiculous high LP Challenger. This, in a given game all the players have around the same MMR.
: Should Banner of Command come back
There are 2 things I would change here A) Why is this an AP item? I don't see many AP champions that would like to use this, I would change the stats to purely tank stats. B) Building point runner around minions is huge, way too strong. What I would do is to switch that with the Movementspeed bonus for champions from the Captain Enchantment (still keeping the normal point runner of course) When you do those 2 then this would be an item for tanks / initiators that want to help their team at sieging. Seems cool
UniSect (NA)
: What, does it come in a box in my loots?
they come in champion shards, check your loot tab to unlock the champs
: I received a death threat from a post I made here in Player Behavior
Heretus (EUNE)
: Just played against taliyah , admittedly I had not seen that champ for some time , long story short : unraveled earth was hitting for 70% oh my hp since level 5? (had scored 2 kills he had 0) was a intense match due to a very good lee sin on our end, but at 46 (?) minutes 1 unraveled earth from a bush that was about to be warded dropped 3 of us (according to log that alone did 1586 dmg)
There isn't really anything hidden in Unraveled Earth other than the fact that it just generally does a fuck ton of damage when you trigger multiple explosions. Keep in mind, any dashing champion or somone getting knocked around will trigger the esplosions, you can only get hit by a maximum of 4 explosions while every subsequent explosion deals less damage. The maximum damage for the trigger is: 155 / 186 / 217 / 248 / 279 (+ 93% AP) Which is insane, but this is only the trigger damage, the damage for getting hit by it in general and waiting until it explodes is 100 / 150 / 200 / 250 / 300 (+ 80% AP) At max level this ability can deal up to 579 (+173% AP) damage to you, which can explain the 1600 damage you took. Do not get hit by her E (Seismic Shove) while you are on Unravaled Earth, that thing will vaporize you. A good way to avoid this damage is via Adaptive Helmet which also helps against Taliyah Q a lot.
: Explain Sivir, after one back her boomerang slaps me in the face like an unwanted whiplash.
Sivir Q does more damage to the first targets it hits, going forward and backward. So if she hits you twice with the Q while you are isolated it will deal a good chunk of damage
Moody P (NA)
: Raptor Cloak could use an aggressive upgrade path
Technically seen Ohmwrecker is the aggressive path since it helps you towerdive people, which is aggressive. Ohmwrecker would be a decent item if the stats weren't so trash, at the same time would you really want to see a world where Ohmwrecker is viable bruiser item and you get dove off cooldown? The problem I see with adding another raptors cloak item is: A) It has to do something with turrets (seen from a thematic standpoint) ZZ'Rot destroys turrets / Ohmwrecker disables them / The next item (which should be an aggressive one) does what? Just buffing yourself or your allies around towers would be too situational, buffing yourself or allies in general is already on an item Buffing yourself for every turret you have destroyed but that is leaning towards splitpushing again, buffing yourself for every destroyed turret on the field? Might become a too snowbally item like Mejais. B) Cloak itself is a very powerful item, 30 Armor, a lot of sustain and basically homeguards for 900 gold. The Stats alone have over 100% gold efficiency. The only thing holding top laners back from spamming the item are the very niche finished items. If the item ever becomes a viable rush, it might warp the top meta in a way you wouldn't want to. I don't think a Bruiser-ish Raptor Cloak item would be a good idea.
: Being frontline fucking sucks.
The mistake here is that you try to listen to teammates. Here is a tip, just because you are on the same team doesn't mean your teammates are no enemies.
Trias000 (EUNE)
: Why does Twitch always 2-shot me, even when he has no items?
His ult and his stealth ability both give huge attack steroids, the ultimate gives AD and breaking out of stealth gives AS So he gains a lot of free stats trough those, then his fully stacked passive rend does 110 (+210% bonus AD) damage to you at lvl 1 Long story short, if you let Twitch do his thing he will do a lot of damage
: all this and you forget Veigar *"One moment I was alive, the next thing I knew I was hit by 2-3 abilities and dead."* - Welcome to Veigar once he was a ton of AP. Not only does he get this AP from the items he buys [unless for some weird reason you've run into a tank Veigar], but he also gains AP for every ability he hits on enemy champions. This is a slow process and takes time, but realistically he can and possibly will be able to 3 shot you once he gets enough stacks.
I was thinking of adding Veigar however, when he deals damage to you, you know from where it is coming from. You see that he has around 1000 AP and see the spells hitting you, that is why I didn't add him. Now it might be difficult to see from where he is getting all that AP from but I think you can see that in his buff bar if I'm not mistaken When you get hit by a critting Panth Q or get nuked by an Ahri Charm you can't see why. You can't see it anywhere unless you hovered over the charm debuff while you were dying but who does that. But at the same time adding him doesn't hurt anyone so
Jaspers (EUW)
: Explain to me Kai'Sa's W in ARAM? That thing hits harder than a lot of abilities but apparently at level 1 it should only do 20 (+.6 AP) damage. I just don't buy that.
I'm not up to date with ARAM specific balance, she might have a "+20% damage done" only for ARAM (just like all other champs) Kaisa W does apply 2 stacks of her passive, so she might have autod you 3 times and then casted W to proc passive AND W damage And don't forget that she has a 150% AD ratio ontop of that AP and base damage. If you add all that up and add a 20% dmg buff she might deal insane damage in ARAM in that specific scenario Edit: Plus she might have specced into a poke centric playstyle so also add stuff like Absolute Focus and Scorch into the mix
Saezio (EUNE)
: About anivia, I think it's less known that she can do double damage with her Q, most people know about the E. The Q applies damage both when it passes you AND when it detonates. So, if it procs the first part and then anivia re-presses/it reaches it's end destination it reapplies the damage.
: cassio is never a horrible champ. just hard to play. dont blame your game knowledge champions.
never said that she is horrible, just that her damage might seem underwhelming if you don't know that she needs to poison you for her to deal damage did you even read what I typed under the opening line for the champion?
Rioter Comments
: TIL noc passive has an AP ratio
He was given one since he used Rageblade back in the day and Riot doesn't like when champions that need a specific item to work don't gain full benefit of said item (other than Mana, they don't care about wasted Mana stats) Now he doesn't really use Rageblade that often anymore so it's pretty much a thing from the past and the AP ratio seems kind of random
Rioter Comments
: I'm sorry, but since when was CP referred to as Flask?
Thats just a me thing I just refer to it as Flask since Flask got removed for it and it's pretty much the same item
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: dring only gives you sustain for one all in, and then you have to spend gold buying additional potions for the rest of the early game cpot gives so much sustain EVEN in mid game especially when midlaners keep buying dark seal even after the pointless then they get **MANA SUSTAIN** as well I'm really glad this is being nerfed > [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sQFyJIAw,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-31T10:34:26.234+0000) > Are you.... stupid? ** off
> cpot gives so much sustain EVEN in mid game especially when midlaners keep buying dark seal even after the pointless > then they get MANA SUSTAIN as well They just spent 850 gold on sustain items they cant build into finished ones, unless you count Mejais as a finished item which is debatable This is someone going 2 dorans items of course it will be strong in the niche they specced into. Going 2 dorans will enhance your all-in by a lot just like going 2 sustain items will enhance your sustain by a lot Also if Corrupting and DS is the issue then why not deal with DS which has a smaller pool of champs that buy it? > ** off You don't censor the R-Word which you can't use on the boards but you censor fuck? weird guy
: It's an aggressive start. If you want sustain, shield, cloth+4, or even just flask are better/just as good. Only reason to ever buy corrupting potion is if you want aggressive sustain. They're doubling down on what it was designed for. Lol.
> If you want sustain, shield, cloth+4, or even just flask Neither of them give mana > Only reason to ever buy corrupting potion is if you want aggressive sustain The hell is aggressive sustain? Seems like a fancy word for life steal And we have D-Ring and D-Blade for aggressive starts, don't need another one.
: What counts as intentional feeding?
It's when you play ADC and you Targons Support misses the cannon
: gives way too much sustain with dark seal so i'm fine with that
Great so the item is now mediocore unless you buy Dark Seal with it? Might as well make the item an upgraded version of Dark Seal then? This is the equivalent of balancing champs around runes so picking the champ with another rune than he was balanced around will automtically put you in a disadvantage Don't really see how you can be fine with that
: >If it's such a problem in mid lane and mid alone maybe reduce it's mana gain because reducing mana gain will hurt mid lane the most. As a toplaner, i have to disagree here. The **ONLY** reason i use flask over D-shield for sustain **is the mana**. If i just wanted health sustain, i'd go with D-shield+pot. And unlike midlane, i have not much other options to get that manasustain as a toplaner.
I know but generally seen Top laners aren't gated by mana, it's just there so stuff like Darius can't EQ combo you off cooldown until you are dead. The few champs that are gated by it have a poke that shouldn't be spammable (Olaf Q or Panth Q comes to mind) It will also hurt top but mana is way more useful as a resource in mid hence why I suggested that. And I didn't propose to remove all mana gain, just lessen it from 75 per use to 50 or something. > And unlike midlane, i have not much other options to get that manasustain as a toplaner. I mean there is the Sapphire Crystal + Refillable start but most tops can't do much with a Sapphire for a long time so it's very suboptimal Also mana band but the sorcery tree is also once again suboptimal for most tops
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: which weakness is being negated? you buy cpot and get a r%%%%%ed braindead laning phase on any midlaner, riot tried to nerf other items to fix it only for people to still buying cpot over and over again I'm glad that shit is being gutted, people will instantly get demoted to their real rank now
> which weakness is being negated? Ranged vs Melee Scaling champ vs Lane Bully There aren't many other reasons you would opt into lane sustain unless the combination of all the lane sustain mechanics you can opt into generates a combat boost AKA if you can take Flask with Biscuits, TWT and maybe resolve regeneration so you can use that sustain as a method to aggressively trade. If that is the case however then Flask is not the issue. if you nerf Flask because the combination of the above mentioned things is too strong then you pretty much HAVE to use Flask with all the things above otherwise Flask itself will be too weak. > you buy cpot and get a r%%%%%ed braindead laning phase on any midlaner, riot tried to nerf other items to fix it only for people to still buying cpot over and over again ???? D-Ring and 2 HP pots gives more sustain than Flask alone? What? So no, nerfing Flask this way will not solve the problem at all Also by the way, other champs not in mid lane would like to use the item too. If it's such a problem in mid lane and mid alone maybe reduce it's mana gain because reducing mana gain will hurt mid lane the most. > I'm glad that shit is being gutted, people will instantly get demoted to their real rank now [removed by moderation - Ulanopo]
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: cpot ruining games since 2016, and items/runes like dark seal "wtf riot why!!!" omegapepelul
"Oh no a scaling champ or a champ that is getting fucked over by a ranged opponent tries to negate that weakness by buying and speccing into lane sustain!! RUiNinG mE GeaMS" "I wANt KiiLS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!" Tell me how Flask is single handedly ruining the entire game and how nerfing it will solve all of this games problems. Because I don't see it happening.
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