: The only reason i would say Bronze is not Elo Hell is because everyone in Bronze is equal bad and its much easier to snowball there.
: idk man, i can go from B5 to S3, silver is much more of an elo shit hole than bronze itself. Alot of silvers play like bronze but have the arrogance of a diamond.__
I used to think so, but when I played in bronze again, I was like "WTFFFFF how can you win 1v9?" silvers are actually very good compared to how low they are in terms of LP; I think there's more difference between bronze and silver than gold and diamond
iWuTaylor (EUW)
: wtf is the point of bronze?
lol ridrones sneaky downvoting because they're butthurt
sVzMyron (EUW)
: climbing is WAYYY too slow
Guess what? Riot got demoted to BRONZE FOUR. I'm at least gold 1 and how shitty did they get? To BRONZE FUCKN F.O.U.R. Pathetic excuse for a game
: Isn't the issue you have with climbing your 29% winrate and not the LP you gain on the rare occasion you win? SHOULD you be climbing with a 29% winrate? No. System seems fine in this instance.
I don't have a 29% wr, that's the pathetic rate at which riot sucessfully makes decent games. My winrate is close to 95%. A game that demotes you with 95% lol that's not a game, it's afkcn joke.
: damn you are getting 20? i'm getting 15 per win and losing 25 per loss
they're still taking more than they give so....
Tenebris3 (EUW)
: you have no clue what true pain in gaining LP is . some people can't get 10 lp per win and you are bragging here for 20 lp gain win ... OK let me tell you funny story my friend look ... you can have 15 games win streak and gain only 15 LP and yes I'm serious because I experienced that on one of my accounts and you can see that shit on stream that smurf and gain nothing LOL perfect example was ratIRL stream when he attempted to get 100 wins in row and he ended 97wins and 1 lose and he was only gold rank after that because he earned so little LP and you say 20 LP is not much ? Ok let me rephrase this imagine you earn only 19 lp and you end up winning 5 games in a row and you have 95lp and you are 5 lp close to promos - how about that in your case where you have 20 lp you would end up on 100 LP and be in promos. My point here is that the sweet spot is 20 LP gain and 20 LP lose its neutral and you can't say I lost more than 20 lp in the game and win only 10-15 lp per win like Akashic Torment mentioned above ... you are lucky that you earn that much LP wait to the moment when you end up like most people between 15-18 lp gain and losing 20 -23 LP - you are still in good spot.
It doesnt matter how many LP I get if they're negative in the end. They lose 90% of the games, so even if riot gave me 40 LP per win, and -10p per loss, they would still get me demoted. The only solution to make their game decent, would be either to fix their pathetic matchmaking, or just give LP to people who deserve them.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Riot wont tell you this but I don't mind. Only being able to play 1 thing well makes you a weaker player. Your screwed every time you don't get your main. Your screwed in every other role. You can fix this problem by learning to play more champions. You can choose to only play what you enjoy. Just don't expect to benefit from that. Because once your reach a MMR your unable to carry with your main you go right back to getting screwed over when you cant get your main. Your post makes it sound like 6 games are auto loss because you failed to get your main. Then 3 of them are because of bad teammates. So 2X more times its your fault for not being able to play multiple roles then it was teammates.
Riot will never face it, but that's the sort of game they created. Unless you play yi, kata... Or anything that can kill 2/3 of a team on its own, you can never climb out of bronze. And they will never accept the blame for creating this sort of game, they'll just keep spamming the same noobtalk : "if youwant to climb, improve yourself"... Yeah, sure, try yoga go vegan... Anyone who has played bronze with a normal champ knows how stupid that is
Rioter Comments
: Smurfs, Ruin the Ranking Experience
The problem isn't smurf, it's most players are total garbage and riot doesn't do anything to fix their game
: Got an Iron 4 player on my team as a gold
I have golds in bronze and they're pure garbage. Rank doesn't mean anything
: Shows you how long peeps have been complaining on solo queueue-
Lol's system has always been garbage, it was just easy before because there were so many noobs. Now people know how to play so it's just more obvious how badly designed it is
: This is the peak in delusional low elo mentality lol.
yeah yours lol
: > [{quoted}](name=sVzMyron,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=000e000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-31T03:21:37.413+0000) > > what do you consider 646256 75475432 436347? What's your point spamming random numbers? Lol wtf. U dont even recognize ur own scores that u got in YOUR games? Oof
lol you're on a forum and you can't even read?
: where is the conspiracy, im just stating a fact lol, you were the one who brought up the conspiracy that riot is intentionally giving you bad teammates as if they would care enough to screw over 1 player in euw out of the millions that play their game.
lol you think riot would take the time to check when I'm online, to calculate ods and place bad players to make me lose, me, out of the millions of players in the game? You're completely paranoiac dude
: then what youre saying is every player gets carried by riot, riot is a massive company they dont care about screwing over individual players lol ur just hardstuck and came crying to the boards for people to agree with you that its not your fault for being bad, please grow up
Conspiracies theories much? Lol look who needs to "grow up".
: No that is false because everyone in bronze is garbage right, so therefor if you arent garbage that would be 1 good player and 4 bad players against 5 bad players so u can believe that your teams are holding you back but statistically it isnt even about 1v9 if you are the good player you claim to be you would climb out sooner rather than later, but looking at you match history and damage graphs, and ward score it all roughly seems that you deserve high bronze or low silver so naturally your climb is slower, you also play jg so you're role in every game is to get your lanes ahead more than the other jgler, and no their team isnt necessarily better than your teamates but just playing better than you .
oh I do climb, if I want. I'm just not willing to turn what's supposed to be a game, into a pain in the ass. Bronze is worse for good players because people play stupidly and bad. You have to lower yourself to their stupidity, which is absurd. > [{quoted}](name=Master2139,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=000c0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-31T02:43:22.728+0000) >but looking at you match history and damage graphs, and ward score it all roughly seems that you deserve high bronze or low silver I understand you might be new to the game, so not being able to read games is totally fine, but I've already stated I'm high gold *at least* so next time just read properly, you'll avoid stupidities
: No that is false because everyone in bronze is garbage right, so therefor if you arent garbage that would be 1 good player and 4 bad players against 5 bad players so u can believe that your teams are holding you back but statistically it isnt even about 1v9 if you are the good player you claim to be you would climb out sooner rather than later, but looking at you match history and damage graphs, and ward score it all roughly seems that you deserve high bronze or low silver so naturally your climb is slower, you also play jg so you're role in every game is to get your lanes ahead more than the other jgler, and no their team isnt necessarily better than your teamates but just playing better than you .
oh I do climb, if I want. I'm just not willing to turn what's supposed to be a game, into a pain in the ass. Bronze is worse for good players because people play stupidly and bad. You have to lower yourself to their stupidity, which is absurd.
: I can get Gold. You can't. You're right where you belong....in Bronze......lol
lol you can get *carried* to gold. Given your current understanding, I give you Iron 3. I'm generous.
: > [{quoted}](name=sVzMyron,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-05-31T02:01:55.435+0000) > > Uh? Not sure who you're talking to. Personally I never fed any game, but if you don't die in elo hell then you're not playing. > When that 357437/5 rengar, fed by your team, decides to press R and your entire team is busy looking at items' description in base, you don't get a voice in whether you're dying or not. ... "Personally I never fed any game." What do you consider 3/12? 0/6? 1/8? 2/11? Your two most played champions average KDA is 1.6. That isn't you getting bad teams, that is you feeding.
what do you consider 646256 75475432 436347? What's your point spamming random numbers?
Shayke (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RazsaKorren,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2019-05-30T05:57:01.168+0000) > > that thought process is toxic. not everyone deserves bronze but arent at a skill cap level to carry 1v9. some should be in gold or silver. you need roughly diamond level of mechanics to perfectly win every game and climb out. if he wants to get out of bronze then he should get better not complaining in boards lol
lol funny I've been out of bronze for years oops there goes theory.
Shayke (EUW)
: the truth is , if u can't get out of bronze its mostly your fault. don't let anyone (including yourself) tells you otherwise.
My fault for carrying and being better? yeah that's true.
fire263 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=sVzMyron,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-05-30T01:34:00.026+0000) > > lol what are you, blind? Or trolling You are not performing well at all, you have games that would fall under the category of soft inting. 2/10, 4/8, 3/12, 0/6, etc. And this isn't just a few games either, most of your games you end up losing and you don't perform well. If you really wish to climb, you have to improve, because currently, you're dragging your team down despite saying that it's your team that's trolling.
lol bronzies will always make me laugh. They take themselves so seriously, and when they know the truth they are so ridiculous.
: Get real bro:- https://lan.op.gg/summoner/userName=xelniya Been there done that. I'll say again, you don't belong in Gold.
lol ok first learn the difference between question and information. It's easy, look for this strange symbol : "?" secondly, you don't even know the difference between bronze and diamond, start there lol
Acekill3r (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SillyMoose,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-29T23:13:47.490+0000) > > ^ what hes saying. if youve been bronze/silver for over 50 games. HA , you belong there , and if youre in the 200+ games area , YOU DEFINITELY > belong there. its as simple as get better at the game. whether its mechanics , game knowledge , macro or micro. get better. Debatable, i could potentially be stuck in silver for a month if i played team reliant Champs , meanwhile i could just get to gold in 5 days if i just play a snowbally carry and stomping everything. You are just forced to play something with a big impact.
: You don't belong in Gold. Not saying it to be mean. Just the cold hard truth.
you don't seem to have much clue about this game, but at least this time you figured it out right : I'm closer to plat. Too bad you ddn't find out on purpose lol
Infernape (EUW)
: Is it? I managed to carry myself from Bronze II to Silver IV as a support, while boosting my MMR to the point where I get 35 LP per win.
Lol did that too, many times, don't believe it's an amazing feat. I went from i3 to s3 a few months ago. Skipped entire tiers. It only depends who you get paired with.
: There's a big difference of : - Trolling and - Being Clueless My little cousin is 10 years old and he's bronze 4. We speak mainly french here in Montreal. He mains Yasuo and once rushed a warmog armor and mobility boots on him BECAUSE it once worked wonder on a game for him. You don't expect a french kid to read and understand english text and knowing exactly what he does. If he has something in mind, it just won't bug off. That's being clueless. A troll on the other side is ''KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS WRONG, BUT YOU'RE DOING IT ON PURPOSE TO ANNOY YOUR ALLIES''.
Then there's the "trolling because clueless", where people intentionally refuse to follow your calls, because they think they know better, when they're actually total trash, and ruin the game.
: A couple issues: 1. Your average KD over 20 games is 1.58. You aren't carrying. You aren't "effortlessly outplaying them", like you claim. Just for comparison, my last 20 games are an average of 2.91. Almost double and that's also playing my worst role (ADC), I'm not claiming to be a god player, it's just that you simply aren't performing well enough score-wise to carry. In general a 2.5+ KD generally means you are one of the more fed people on the map. Of course score ISN'T everything but it's a good starting point. Anything less than 2.0 generaly means you are the average joe in that game in terms of raw power. Again raw power isn't the only way to win but since raw power carrying is what you want to do, that's what I'm talking about. 2. You don't play enough (37 total ranked games on op.gg) 3. Your mentality is going to be the end of you. Going off what I said earlier unless you have a ~3.0+ and 6-7 cs per minute score your eyes should be no where near what your team is doing.
It might seem unreachable to a bronze player who relies on kda, but, yeah, I'm millions of years above the people I'm playing against. Sorry if you feel so humbled by reality.
: you can just learn to cs and not trade in a minion wave and you're out of bronze
lol I'm far beyond that
: u literally were like the worst player in the game in 3 out of ur like past 10 games, says a lot about someone COMPLAINING about being hardstuck
LOL why you tlak in my topic if you look at someone else's games? Im always the best player in all my games, It's bronze lol.
: Maybe don't feed so much in your bronze games? Like IDK bronze is pretty fkin ez to win just about every game if you know how to play. If you're feeding in the majority of your games it rly doesn't make alot of sense to say its elo hell.
Uh? Not sure who you're talking to. Personally I never fed any game, but if you don't die in elo hell then you're not playing. When that 357437/5 rengar, fed by your team, decides to press R and your entire team is busy looking at items' description in base, you don't get a voice in whether you're dying or not.
: lol i lose almost all my duo games, i can only climb when i solo . also in bronze it doesnt matter if you solo or duo if you're ggod enough you will climb out if not then you won't, almost every player who isnt bronze anymore meant that they climbed out so just get better and you will climb out.
yeah I know u love to believe that but "being good" has nothing to do with getting out of bronze xD you cannot win 1v9. The only thing that decides if you climb or not is whether you get less garbage teams than your opponents enough games in a row
Padoµch (EUNE)
: Bronze, Silver, Gold -> Twitch jungle is the answer, /fullmute all command, take everything, hard carry.
geez I absolutely hate his clear. If you're invaded you might as well go afk
: what are u talking about i litterally climbed out of bronze playing shaco support like the shit is easy u just need a mild understanding of the game, you dont even need to hard carry just play decently lol
lol it's gonna be hard to hear but you never "climbed out" of anything. What you did was getting carried by riot
: If you can't get out, then you belong there.
LOL no. That's what typical noobs believe when they have no clue about the game, you'll see when you have a bit of experience
: if your KDA means your only 3 kill and an assist up from your deaths, your causing more problems then solving. A 1.01 KDA can be done with any number of deaths fucking up your teams ability to fight.
if what you wrote made sense, you'd be worth reading
: Idk why people are treating this as a troll post you seem to know and point out what is wrong with each role except mid. thing is is see these same things in silver and gold games (with silvers in them) and in may of the high elo steams and videos i watch. Barring crying about feeding, people cry about that far too much when catch up gold is broken and while getting that catch up gold if you are smart and play together you can collect a bounty and come out ahead.
Thank you. I guess a lot of people are just looking for any excuse to bully people to feel better about being victims themselves. Gold (yeah I've been there, unlike what those people think lol) seems like a total shitfest to me. It's like people release the steam after reaching a landmark
: Or you could just do a premade and save yourself the stress of randos not playing well enough
yeah sometimes I do, and, surprise - we're the ones doing everything. Wow it's almost as if riot's teams were a burden.
Mannny (NA)
: Try improving. You can't control your teammates but you can control your own gameplay and whether you like it or not if you're better than everyone you're playing against you'll climb
I could definitely win enough games just to climb little by little, if I was a soulless robot. If I put up with people banning my champ, inters, if I begged 12yo kids throwing a tantrum, if I waited patientely 15 mins more that everybody completed their build instead of going baron when I called it... But that wouldn't be a game anymore.
: Yea, you're definitely trolling the boards with this thread.
yeah because linking number of death with carrying isnt trolling?
Zardo (NA)
: Even in games you have good scorelines in you deal low damage. Maybe try actually reading my post?
"low damage" he said. lol. https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/4047080575/2172421162356160?tab=stats
Zardo (NA)
: I don't really see carrying. I see you dying a lot, and even in games where you have good scorelines you don't really do too much damage. It's hard to see where you're messing up, but it is possible to improve and get out of bronze. Let me tell you a little story. The time was s7. I had just played my first placement games, and got placed bronze. I bounced all around bronze. I even dropped down to b5. I was convinced that my bad teammates were holding me back. I mean heck, I had an account I played on and got placed in silver, so after all it must be my teammate's fault, right? Wrong. I learned exactly what I was doing wrong. I learned how bronze players make an insane amount of mistakes and learned to capitalize on those while learning how to improve on my own. I know it sucks to hear it, but I never would've gotten gold the same season if someone hadn't told me that it wasn't my team's fault, that there was no such thing as elo hell, I just needed to improve. I wish you best of luck on your climb {{sticker:katarina-love}}
> [{quoted}](name=Zardo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T00:15:54.862+0000) > > I don't really see carrying try turning your screen on idk?
: Dude, you're a feeder. How is dying 11 times carrying? And it's not just that one game. You consistently feed in your games. You fed in every single one of your last 10 games.
LOL yeah I feed ON THEM. Learn to read a game, you might get out of iron one day
GankLord (NA)
: Honestly play a carry support (mage support) to get out of bronze. Your adc is 8/10 dumb so when they overextend you can use their mistake to get kills and carry. I did it in flex with Zyra. Usually my adc overcommits so the duo bot hops on him then I just unload on the enemy adc and kill them. However, I'd say Velkoz is better for the carry or brand. When your in gold or plat then switch to your main role because people there have a modicum of understanding how this is a team game and you're more likely to win when you work together.
I never EVER play any supporting champ anymore. Tanks, utility... I used to like them, but they're 100% useless in bronze. If you don't 20/0, the game is 100% lost. If you carry, at least you ahve a small chance your team might follow, at least by coincidence.
: Why would Riot be placing people on your team just to ruin your game?
They have a victim mentality, so maybe they get a kick at ruining people's games? Dunno, I'm not in their heads.
: > [{quoted}](name=sVzMyron,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-05-30T00:37:46.556+0000) > > I can beat diamond players No.....thank you, for the joke. Simply look at your op.gg alone I can immediately tell you're no where near Diamond level in skill. You are right where you belong. You can either get better or continue crying on the boards about team mates. Choice is yours.
> [{quoted}](name=FioraWillCarry,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T00:45:22.715+0000) > > No..... yes lol. As unreachable as it might seem for you, if you pay I might teach you to lol.
Gall (NA)
: I'm a Brand one trick mind you, and no matter what I can always win a bronze game if I ever go to my friend's places and play literally any champion. Stop complaining and learn to get better.
> [{quoted}](name=Gall,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-05-30T00:28:20.077+0000) > >if I ever go to my friend's places of course if you duo lol. It's possible to get a 100% wr as duo. I'm talking about solo.
fire263 (NA)
: I'm really not seeing why you believe you should climb when you're not doing much better than your supposedly "trolling" teammates. Your scores don't necessarily prove to anyone that you are outperforming people in your elo, in which case you should not climb, and many of the games where you lose you're performing just as bad as your teammates. Yes, bronze players aren't necessarily the best, but that is why they are in bronze. If you really wish to climb out, you should be able to carry most games, as those supposedly bad teammates you get are the same elo as your enemies. Bronze players don't generally know how to end games or to take objectives when they should, and you can easily capitalize on that in order to win. Try maining only a few champions, you seem to play a lot more than you might be comfortable with. Yi's a good choice, you play him a lot and he's a hyper carry which will make carrying much easier. And despite what most people say, if you advise your teammates on how to do better in a non-toxic way, 95% of the time they will listen as long as you're not 0/10 and you aren't flaming in any way.
> [{quoted}](name=fire263,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fdBjEdKQ,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-05-30T00:19:41.662+0000) > > I'm really not seeing why you believe you should climb when you're not doing much better than your supposedly "trolling" teammates. lol what are you, blind? Or trolling
5050BS (NA)
: So is silver
True, but at least silvers have a better idea what they're doing and thus might follow up better when you carry. But they also have bigger egos, which makes them more prone to ruin sooo I'd say 50/50
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