Hjelp (NA)
: People are asking for Rengar nerfs, and they're probably going to happen. Here's my one issue:
: You guys don't understand that its the burst meta that holds back adc's and not mages. Boards hate mages as well but they hate ignorant adc players more. When ADC is dominant the rest of the 3 roles feel awful. As we know Riot cant balance anything. Now only botlane is crying, for 3 years the other 3 roles were crying. 3 > 2 by the way the very reason Riot nerfed ADC's was to enable assassins into LCS They still blatantly favor AD over AP, but instead of ADC being dominant its anyone who can burst. (they did this to buff AD assassins ) They created an assassin support as well so there are more assassins: {{champion:555}} . We need a real tank meta again. Where tank beats mages and assassins, meanwhile adc/juggernauts beats tanks. I bet riot will fuck up hard again and overbuff the adc role. This shitfest is the result of buffing adc's at season 6 by the way ..... There is still 60% of the playerbase against the adc dominance. The game went downhill since season 5. (the adc buffs)
>Boards hate mages Man I cant take you seriously anymore, you remember a guy called Colton147 who was always shitposting on the Boards and we all knew that he was a troll so it was fine? >They still blatantly favor AD over AP It never ends, the tears of mage mains crying about ad bias when they are the ones that have the broken itemization it's only comparable to Jungle mains victim complex after the nerfs last patch to xp. You are probably clueless to the point that you think that Zhonyas is a terrible item or am I wrong on that ?
: Main Role Prioritization
Nah you just main the most popular role in the game on all it's history, and by far. Feels bad for you but if too many ppl wants to play Midlane not all of you guys can play it at the same time. Meanwhile I never get my secondary role for not even talking about being autofilled, feels good to main the ADC role sometimes, queue time and getting your role is one of them.
: I thought Riot has bias to ADCs? Or was it support?
Oh the Thread is downvoted at the end, we are still under Mages dominion on Gameplay Boards.
: > [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BkTcghBw,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-01-31T14:50:46.376+0000) > > Someone: > > Gameplay Boards Gameplay Boards: > Complains about a strong Assassin Someone: > Just buy Zhonyas lmao Gameplay Boards: > REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE UsElEsS iTeM !!!!11
Man I just wish I had Stasis on a ad item to buy it on adcs so I can use the item that mage players on the Boards call trash. Jokes asides it would be too broken, I dont really want that on the game. The best thing is that they think old Zhonyas was better because it gave 120ap ignoring that it costes 3400g and Stopwatch didn't existed which means that Stasis was behind a 3400g paywall but muh 120ap > 75ap so it was better
Jamaree (NA)
: Make sure to notice the difference between and actual troll and someone who is having a bad game.
Flex I played a few hours ago. https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3913920833/24439834?tab=overview One of my premades was the Zed and the other the Braum. Zed was against Swain and since he's returning to Lol (Ty Blizz for HotS suddeku) it was his first game against reworked Swain who is good against Zed and on top of that Kayn had a very poor play that gave first blood and Red to Swain on the first minutes who then also killed Zed and basically rolled over him the whole game. He ended 0/7/5 and even if it looks like he did nothing he got several turrets due to split pushing and lowered the preassure on other objectives. Sure we won the game because I hard carried but I loved how nobody was flamingo him and nobody called him troll for being with that score on Zed, we just focused on the game and we won.
WinterLUL (EUW)
: Transition from mid to top lane
{{champion:164}} is weak toplane and also hard to play, I dont recommend her tbh, even less if you are starting to play up there. Now that her jungle role is being gutted they maybe buff her back on Top. {{champion:86}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:122}} are my recommendations for you.
: well, it was well worded, but yeah, I was like "what?" what really makes this worse though is that Riot seems to have no idea what champions do what anymore and wants to make it where every champion can do everything if they're capable or it looks cool let's take nunu: former strengths: godly jungle, godly counter-jungler, decent to weak engages, item dependent, horrid team fighter, decent or lower map pressure due to only pressuring the jungler current nunu(while fun and kind of awesome looking and even seeming fair) : godly jungle, godly counter-jungler, average to great engages, no longer item dependent with a versatile kit, decent range, decent team-fight control, great map pressure champions are starting to be made with very small windows of opportunity against them and of course, half the roster still remains out of date compared to most new champions
Wont say more so I'm not banned (again) https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/UKaosw5V-riots-need-for-everything-to-feel-good-is-their-biggest-design-problem?comment=0014
: Gr8 post
Based on lies of someome that uses Caitlyn to fit his narrative despise not knowing her story or how she works along with the pace of the game
: RIot is killing Aatrox and Camille jg, why not also kill Karthus jg?
Yeah, they should do it
: > [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cAKQYbLc,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-01-30T20:55:51.141+0000) > > Cant agree more, everyone is playing with 2 toplaners now that Jungle is deleted from the game. {{champion:2}} {{item:3107}}
GenG Cuvee played {{champion:6}} with {{item:3107}} today. Buff Toplane.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Abibyama II,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cAKQYbLc,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-01-30T19:50:17.947+0000) > > Then 9.3 drops But then you see Akali, Irelia and Aatrox being gutted for good.
: Champion Concept: Kaufmann - The Ghost's Shadow
I like the name Kaufmann so I upvoted the thread without reading it.
: where is CLG ear when u need em...
http://pm1.narvii.com/6056/e355dd0d33d8b32025b2ffa2e11a6f333ce244d6_hq.jpg
: I thought Riot has bias to ADCs? Or was it support?
Nah it changes depending on the meta /s What I'm pretty sure is that until now you were not able to complain about mages on the Boards without being mass downvoted.
: NEW OP JUNGLE ROUTE!
I'm starting to play Jungle so I'll try it.
: > [{quoted}](name=ClickClickClick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4K5cFOfk,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-01-31T15:11:04.760+0000) > > Because a jungler can gank top lane without having to worry about another lanes priority as much. The majority of the time the mid laner will not be in a position to roam top when nothing is guaranteed. To punish a karthus jungle u have to get in there which takes lane pressure from both mid AND top to be able to do. So in a sense to counter a karthus jungle you inherently have to take risks which against any other jungle would straight up be bad play. That's called gameplay strats and opportunity cost, it's good for the game.
Funnel strat was a gameplay strat and it was cáncer, Riot made the right decision of gutting it. Camille Jungle is viable and it's amazing in fact, which doesn't change that it's cáncer and she's being pushed out of Jungle for that on next patch. Karthus Jungle should be removed from the game and I hope it's on 9.4
: Honestly had a match last night against jg karthus. I was brand sup. I had a rough time, but then I bought zhonyas and banshees veil and karthus was useless against me even though ihe wnded 31/11 or something like that. He did have a ton of damage, 90k, and I had 83k, but it was manageable and honestly kind of fun and refreshing from typical jerkbag jgs like Lee sin. Adcs will have it rough for sure, but if they buy maw they will have a chance. And yes they should have to Counterbuild like any other class. Tanks, juggers, and some brusiers will have enough ho and Mr that it's still a fair game. I think the roughest classes will be assassins and adcs, but that's not a terrible thing because that's just counterplay to the , they can still build against it. It changes the game when karthus is in it, but then again, adcs and assassins change the game for everyone else. Pretty much, I think karthus jg is reasonably balanced and refreshing for the time being even if his winrate is high and people just need to adapt a little when he's picked.
>Honestly had a match last night against jg karthus Sure that's why he doesn't have smite and there's a {{champion:20}} on his team with smite.
Rioter Comments
: *adcs good in one lane* Boards: omg AdCs so Op!!!1!1 rito nerf pls!! *mages good in every lane* Boards: but you can dodge their skillshots. I see no issue!! Edit: *boards also conveniently ignores that some of the worst offenders(Karthus) have a none dodge able, just activate and it does things to all five members of the enemy team no matter where they are ultimate* yeah, I'll just dodge that. Oops. I failed. There goes 3/4ths of my health as a squishy damage dealer even though I have mercs and a hex drinker. Oh well. I'll try again next time. :))))
Someone: >Complains about a strong mage Gameplay Boards >JuSt bUy HeXdRiNkEr LmAo
: Akali and Irelia being playable = bad Mages being top tier in every position = good
>Anyone else sick of this mage bias from ~~balance team~~ Gameplay Boards? FTFY
: Oh yeah, let's just gut Karthus jungle and force Karthus out of a role like the rest of the champions, let me give you a few examples: Camille (removing her stun on jungle monsters, minions etc. so it only works against champions), Taliyah jungle and so on. You are ready to become a Rioter, let's just force champions out of a role because that solves the issue about damage in this game. SMH.
>You are ready to become a Rioter, let's just force champions out of a role because that solves the issue about damage in this game. SMH. Well, it doesn't solve the "dmg creep" but Camille Jungle being gutted is a good move, when champs go to other roles and causes more balance issues there they should brought back to where they belong. And now Camille Top who was weak and couldnt be buffed because it would break Camille Jungle can be buffed again. See? Diversity is a cáncer to game balance.
: I'm all for diversifying roles, as I said on another comment just now I don't agree with the Camille changes and other champions who used to jungle being forced out. At the same time I don't see any of their kits being as problematic as karthus currently. Wards can see a Camille coming, but unless u huddle together in a bard ult or something what is the counterplay if you are an ad champion. A 1 time stopwatch? great.
>I'm all for diversifying roles, as I said on another comment just now I don't agree with the Camille changes Really? I'm celebrating that Riot is killing Camille Jungle, the only thing I feel bad is that they have taken so long to do it. I also like that Viktor Top is way worse than before but I wouldn't be against Viktor tank playstyle being gutted even more because as Camille Jungle, some things should never be viable in the first place.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UKaosw5V,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-31T03:57:29.351+0000) > > You'll notice that these characters have almost inverse proportions these days. Caitlyn's early game was nerfed in exchange for her late game power boost. Vayne is now not awful early but still has a decent late game. Fair point but stats wise Vayne isn't "out of line". People are over exaggerating on Vayne's early game, It's still abuse-able. A **GOOD** {{champion:22}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:21}} player can make the first 25 minutes a misery for Vayne. Vayne still suffers from Vayne's issues in laning phase - Lack of Waveclear - Low Range and No ability damage - Low base stats (3rd lowest base HP of any ADC, 2nd lowest base Armor) Caitlyn is about to benefit from itemization updates which should make her a bit stronger. The issue with Caitlyn is she had a dominant early game while still scaling extremely well. Caitlyn is either a hypercarry or a lane bully, You cannot be both. Remember what got Tristana nerfed at the end of S7? She was strong early game while having an amazing late game.
There are worse things on his thread, just by reading that Caitlyn on lategame was acording to him: > pretty awful and *could barely do anything* I immediatly downvoted the thread because he doesn't know about what he's talking about.
: I thought we were supposed to diversify roles, not restrict them.
I though we were supposed to restrict roles, not diversify them.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Maybe he remembers the meta where ADC and support rotated after IE+Zeal/ Zeal+BF to take all outer towers in competitive. That's Cait's best mid game that I remember. But if I recall it was usually vs a team with scaling adc (sivir or something) so maybe that's why it _felt_ like she was good mid game
That was Caitlyn smashing early and skipping midgame due to being 1 item ahead of the other adc. And if she was only able to do that when she was on a state of being the best champion in the game and it stopped once she got the (deserved) nerfs maybe it's that her design has always been being weak on midgame. And anyway she was still good lategame at 6 items, I understand what OP is trying to say but he's just using a example that doesn't match his narrative.
: > [{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UKaosw5V,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-31T04:22:56.032+0000) > > This is wrong though. Caitlyn was a god early and then unless she was at least a full item up she felt horrible mid game then once she got to late game she was a god again. Yep, and vayne has never been completely terrible early game, she has one of the best all ins of bot lane at lvl 6, and late game vayne can actually be worse than caitlyn in a 5v5 against certain teams since she has to risk herself much more than caitlyn to do any damage. Some ppl dont realize its much more than just being good at early or late, caitlyn has specific set of strenghts (siege, safety, range, 5v5, poke) which are different from vayne's (high damage, all in, skirmisher, 1v1, tank busting). The point should be, neither champ is complete as they are good in some areas and weak in others, as opposed to newer champs who are just good at everything.
>Yep, and vayne has never been completely terrible early game, she has one of the best all ins of bot lane at lvl 6, and late game vayne can actually be worse than caitlyn in a 5v5 against certain teams since she has to risk herself much more than caitlyn to do any damage But that would mean to understand that champs dont scale to lategame in the void or alone, it always matters the comp at the state of the game. For example a Kog Maw with no peel on his team will scale to lategame less than a Ezreal on the same team because at the end what matters its the Gameplay and how can you play the lategame, not how much dmg you do with 6 items against a target dummy that it's how I think some ppl decides which adcs are good or bad on lategame. Nevermind, this is Gameplay Boards: >Metal man good. >Crossbow woman bad.
Saezio (EUNE)
: When was her rework? U mean before traps did the extended range right?
Also her E didn't gave headshot. It was on 5.21 with the Marksmans updates (CertainlyT designed her new gameplay btw) but anyway none of the itinerations of Caitlyn has been "great on midgame and awful lategame she cant do anything" as he claims so he's wrong no matter which Caitlyn he talks about. That's just on CaptainMårvelous head's but somehow this is being upvoted because they dont care about reallity.
Moody P (NA)
: fighters getting another 20% cdr rush item, tanks dont have one
{{item:3161}} new and {{item:3078}}/{{item:3071}} to have 40% cdr with 2 items. Yikes
: Played on 9.1.
: What Champions do you find true enjoyment in playing?
Moody P (NA)
: we need a crit item that gives MR
: Riot's need for everything to "Feel good" is their biggest design problem.
>Caitlyn was an absolute goddess in the early game and had great power in the early/mid game Yeah no, just no, Caitlyn worse spot on every single itineration of her kit and her strenght has always been her awful midgame unless you are 1 item ahead because you stomped early and it causes that you basically skip the midgame. Your argument it's just false and you push yet another false narrative that only ppl that have never played Caitlyn can believe.
: > Caitlyn was an absolute goddess in the early game and had great power in the early/mid game. However, the longer the game went on, the worse she was. At late game she was pretty awful and could barely do anything. This is wrong though. Caitlyn was a god early and then unless she was at least a full item up she felt horrible mid game then once she got to late game she was a god again.
If you are expecting OP to have a proper knowledge about how an ADC performs you don't know him. I cant believe that a post saying that pre rework Caitlyn had great power in the mid game is being upvoted, it's beyond any logic.
Mozzy (NA)
: As a Jungle main I uninstalled :)
Seems you cant handle to not be strongest role in the game anymore
: I am personally a little concerned about Stormrazor. It's going to enable 1 shot kills with Energized builds, like those on Quinn, etc. You will have a total of 3 Energized damage abilities: Shiv Rapid Fire Cannon Stormrazor and 1 Healing Energized ability: Fleet Footwork. Stormrazor is going to buff all of those by 30% damage/heals on the same release. Altogether they add up to about 400 damage, and Shiv's can crit, bring it to about 540. Stormrazor's passive is going to raise that to 702, and that's not including IE's 225% Crit multiplier, Champion base/skill damage. We're going to see 1600 total crits again......
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w9zpfJv8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-30T17:37:32.814+0000) > > I am personally a little concerned about Stormrazor. It's going to enable 1 shot kills with Energized builds, like those on Quinn, etc. > > You will have a total of 3 Energized damage abilities: > > Shiv > Rapid Fire Cannon > Stormrazor > > and 1 Healing Energized ability: > > Fleet Footwork. > Stormrazor is going to buff all of those by 30% damage/heals on the same release. > > Altogether they add up to about 400 damage, and Shiv's can crit, bring it to about 540. Stormrazor's passive is going to raise that to 702, and that's not including IE's 225% Crit multiplier, Champion base/skill damage. > > We're going to see 1600 total crits again...... Rapidfire Cannon can't crit. Shiv can Also I believe Shiv and RFC don't stack damage wise.
>Also I believe Shiv and RFC don't stack damage wise. Yup, you have the range and the dmg of the Shiv, not the dmg of both at the same time.
Alzon (NA)
: Forget top lane, play her as a crit ADC and make the other guys’ lives miserable.
Imagine thinking that Vi can lane on Botlane.
CD8 (NA)
: i have some bad news if you think Irelia is leaving mid lane.. when her ult was just given a 90% slow.
Moody P (NA)
: God King = Woad > Dunk > Lord = Base > Bio > Dread > Playing a different champion > Academy Everything from GK to Bio is still solid though
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Fn2n9sgQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-31T01:00:19.814+0000) > > God King = Woad > Dunk > Lord = Base > Bio > Dread > Playing a different champion > Academy > > Everything from GK to Bio is still solid though I have a friend that finds Academy Darius cool, I dont even know why he's still my friend tbh
: Since we are trying to get Irelia out of mid and Camille out of jungle...
And where exactly does Kennen go then? Like, he's crab midlane and his ADC playstyle was killed when they removed the Runaan's interaction.
: > [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cAKQYbLc,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-01-30T20:55:51.141+0000) > > Cant agree more, everyone is playing with 2 toplaners now that Jungle is deleted from the game. {{champion:2}} {{item:3107}}
Indeed, Olaf buying Redemption means that Riot has removed the jungle role from the game for some sort of weird logic. I told you several times before, Jungle was about to get nerfed, but I didn't expected this kind of reaction when the nerfs finally went live. Can I play 3 players on Botlane with my premades now that Jungle has been removed from the game or it's better 2 Midlaners ?
Kolunas (NA)
: Lunar wrath golden chromas
They gave the chroma to Cait cuz with it she looks on pair with the Gold and Green that base Lunar Wraith Morgana has.
HÔPÊ (EUW)
: Is Riot killing the game on purpose?
>Is Riot killing the game on purpose? No
: It's happening boys. "ADC 20XX LUL" for the third year in a row.
Oh man I do dislike the crit item reworks on a balance wise aspect (they should nerf ap and bruisers items not buff crit) but just seeing the Gameplay Boards circlejerking adcs again makes me smile. Exactly that was what made me stick on the Boards in the first place, I started to be around here at the end of S7 when everyone here was shitting on ADC and their mains and Morde was the most beloved champ, when the 10 (-/+) Morde mains of Gameplay Boards would even play toguether and upvote their threads and comment always, oh I miss the good old days. I found that so funny that it made me stay here, on 8.11 however I left the Boards for like 2 months because nobody was crying about adcs anymore.
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: Back in the days adcs bought steraks only and they were suddenly unburstable by anyone, even without janna or lulu. 600 dmg shield on any hypercarry will break them and give us ardent meta again, woo
: Boards and ranged champions.
Metal man good. Crossbow woman bad.
: Jungler 3 years of dominance ADC 6 years of dominance + warping the entire design of the game around them so that they're meta even when they're in the trash : X
Ah, here it comes. This is what Kythers was talking about I think.
: Awww ye, Dota-style trilanes incoming. Time for the age of the freefarming hoipa carry!
It was sarcasm btw, some jungle mains just cry too much because their role isn't the most impactful role in the game anymore but we are miles far from having a double toplane meta or any strat with no jungler.
Raiyza (NA)
: Let's se.... All ADCs: Rammstein Mages: Muse Top lane: Random shit. (Usually Rammstein)
Man I remember freaking out about how cool Rammstein was when I was like 12y old, now it makes sense that I'm an ADC main.
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