TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=slimey jimmy,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aPKjBGXQ,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-05T14:18:18.449+0000) > > I mean we're not talking about people who don't speak here. Why would we care about people who speak English and bother to communicate? Because you never excluded those when you made a claim about the majority of Turkish players. Also because you claimed it's easy to tell somebody's nationality by what language they speak. By excluding people who are willing to speak a non-native language you are already filtering out those who are evidently cooperative on a certain level. That's a selection bias that is bound to skew any statistic, mental or otherwise. >Also it is exactly unlikely to find a German who's speaking Turkish. You do realize about 4% of people living in Germany are ethnically Turkish, right? And about half of those are German citizens. Since you spoke specifically about nationality, those people are German.
> [{quoted}](name=TrulyBland,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aPKjBGXQ,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-05T14:39:54.342+0000) > > Because you never excluded those when you made a claim about the majority of Turkish players. > Also because you claimed it's easy to tell somebody's nationality by what language they speak. > > By excluding people who are willing to speak a non-native language you are already filtering out those who are evidently cooperative on a certain level. That's a selection bias that is bound to skew any statistic, mental or otherwise. > > You do realize about 4% of people living in Germany are ethnically Turkish, right? And about half of those are German citizens. Since you spoke specifically about nationality, those people are German. Well then for clarification ' I've met and friended a few Turkish players who are actually real cool' and those were English speaking, non-flaming, funny and communicable people. And like you said, ethnically Turkish, they're Turkish? I'm not too sure what your point is. Actually all this just means there are even more Turkish players than I thought there were on the EUW servers, since about half the players in games are Turkish who are CLEARLY Turkish, you're right; there must be a lot more who are just not speaking or speaking other languages. This still doesn't mean the majority of Turkish players don't speak Turkish and don't communicate outside of their premade teams.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=slimey jimmy,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aPKjBGXQ,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-02T19:59:48.395+0000) > > It's actually fairly easy to deduce someone's nationality through speech, Dutch speak Dutch, Germans speak German, Turks speak Turkish. And what nationality does somebody have who doesn't speak? Or somebody who speaks English? Edit: And that's before getting into the pretty large problem that it's not exactly unlikely to find somebody who is German (in terms of nationality) who may talk Turkish in a premade team; and inversely it's probably not unlikely to find somebody who is Turkish (in terms of ethnicity) who may talk German.
> [{quoted}](name=TrulyBland,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aPKjBGXQ,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-04T21:57:21.660+0000) > > And what nationality does somebody have who doesn't speak? Or somebody who speaks English? > > Edit: And that's before getting into the pretty large problem that it's not exactly unlikely to find somebody who is German (in terms of nationality) who may talk Turkish in a premade team; and inversely it's probably not unlikely to find somebody who is Turkish (in terms of ethnicity) who may talk German. I mean we're not talking about people who don't speak here. Why would we care about people who speak English and bother to communicate? Also it is exactly unlikely to find a German who's speaking Turkish. Let's be real, who is learning Turkish? It's not a business language, it's not like learning Chinese or French. If someone speaks Turkish, they're Turkish in one way or another, they may live in another country, they make even speak English and communicate; but they're still from Turkey. It's more likely that there'll be a Turk who speaks a foreign language like French or German (as you said).
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TrulyBland (EUNE)
: Because stereotypes are ultimately maintained not by evidence but by confirmation bias. And that's always a problem regardless of whether they are true or not. Case in point, I strongly doubt that you or the OP actually have any evidence that this is factual. You believe it is and your brain pretty much automatically gathers anecdotal evidence to support that theory, while ignoring how unreliable the information you have actually is. Here's an interesting question: Off the top of your head, what percentage of Turkish players that you have played with, have not given you literally any information that allowed you to deduce their nationality or ethnicity? That question, btw, works very well with most stereotypes in online gaming.
> [{quoted}](name=TrulyBland,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aPKjBGXQ,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-26T19:47:14.318+0000) > > Because stereotypes are ultimately maintained not by evidence but by confirmation bias. And that's always a problem regardless of whether they are true or not. Case in point, I strongly doubt that you or the OP actually have any evidence that this is factual. You believe it is and your brain pretty much automatically gathers anecdotal evidence to support that theory, while ignoring how unreliable the information you have actually is. > > Here's an interesting question: > Off the top of your head, what percentage of Turkish players that you have played with, have not given you literally any information that allowed you to deduce their nationality or ethnicity? > > That question, btw, works very well with most stereotypes in online gaming. No, this has nothing to do with stereotypes. In fact, I don't believe there is a well known stereotype that generalizes Turkish people as 'non-communicative' and disruptive to League of Legends matches. Like I said, it appears to only be the case in this specific game. It's actually fairly easy to deduce someone's nationality through speech, Dutch speak Dutch, Germans speak German, Turks speak Turkish.
: > [{quoted}](name=slimey jimmy,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aPKjBGXQ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T21:09:22.185+0000) > > It's alright pal I'll just post on the NA boards from now on, they seem a lot more logical anyway. Fair enough. I will caution you, however, to avoid generalizations about players based on their race or nationality. Even if it is largely inoffensive, it is not really something that is an appropriate generalization to make.
I pasted the post in this post. Is that considered offensive? It would be the same as a Turkish player posting about an influx of English non-communicable players. The generalizations I made are: There is more at lower levels and the majority don't communicate. The question itself is just asking why the influx exists.
: > [{quoted}](name=slimey jimmy,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aPKjBGXQ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-24T20:59:52.479+0000) > > Posted on the EUW boards. I can't promise anything, but I can reach out when I have time and see if I can get you more information. Otherwise, you'd have to ask the EUW board moderation team.
It's alright pal I'll just post on the NA boards from now on, they seem a lot more logical anyway.
: Where did you ask this and where did you get banned?
: Was this something you said in-game, posted on the NA boards, or posted elsewhere?
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