Näzgul (EUW)
: EKKO - Music Analysis
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} good job!
: Lux Comic Preview
little disappointed that they did not change the lux clothes{{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
: Lux Comic Preview
I prefer the drawing style of warmother but it still looks great{{sticker:garen-swing}}
: i think ya'll are forgetting... [grandma](https://pm1.narvii.com/5804/c6a26c6fccf98566a4d628efb97bfc1348c5e55f_00.jpg) although i've never seen anyone use this
> [{quoted}](name=OrangeMarine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IfuHfpwi,comment-id=002c,timestamp=2019-04-04T20:38:39.841+0000) > > i think ya'll are forgetting... > > [grandma](https://pm1.narvii.com/5804/c6a26c6fccf98566a4d628efb97bfc1348c5e55f_00.jpg) > > although i've never seen anyone use this {{sticker:sg-janna}} {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Freljord region strenghts and weaknesses analysis
Great Good work{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: I hope it's an old lady. Maybe with a cat. Or maybe even an old lady who _is also_ a cat!
> [{quoted}](name=Guy Broman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LmFLwpNR,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-28T06:29:54.481+0000) > > I hope it's an old lady. Maybe with a cat. Or maybe even an old lady who _is also_ a cat! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} great idea I want an old female yordle
TacoBrain (EUW)
: Waaaarghbobo, lead writer on Illaoi, has spoken about Nagakabouros on a few occasions here and there and, while he hasn't given any clear answers (indeed, I would say that Nagakabouros being something that the human mind can only ever perceive a fragment of is part of its intended mystique) it does paint a semblance of a metaphysical picture, as it were. Nagakabouros seems associated with life and with living beings and with the cycle of life and death (and therefore souls). It is said to transcend dimensions and that to destroy it one would need to destroy the universe. I see Nagakabouros as akin to time or space except, where time and space do not necessarily translate to the other planes of existence (spirit and celestial), Nagakabouros does. In our world, we have four fundamental interactions. In the IP, we have (at least) one more if that makes sense, it is Nagakabouros which seems to be the cycle of life in all its entirety (or maybe, the tendency for life to emerge and become sapient and feeling as if some higher evolutionary/creative calling in the setting). Illaoi's religion believes Nagakabouros has a plan for the universe and that following one's passions advances that plan. They may yet be proven right. Or maybe, Nagakabouros' nature is so all-encompassing that it can't even properly perceive (or if it can, does not necessarily care for) mortal life. Is a person aware of each and every bacteria living in their guts? I do not think Nagakabouros is a spirit god. It does not appear to be a product of human faith or myth nor does it seem significantly shaped by worship even if its connection to the spirit realm seems undeniable. Buhru's culture and religion may, however, "color" how they channel its power hence the watery tentacles vibe. It is not necessarily what Naga is (if it even "is" in a physical sense, I imagine it exists in all things as a fundamental tendency of creation). It doesn't even have to be sentient in any way that humanity can fathom because the importance of Illaoi's god is not in itself but in how Illaoi (and the people of Buhru) draw and interpret it. With that said, Buhru worship could have potentially birthed a spirit that reflects their own attempts at describing their deity, a "fake" Nagakabouros born of human thought. Always an exciting possibility. So yes, out of the two options provided the second seems the most apt. Except, whereas Aurelion Sol (and possibly his "kin") seems to be a purely physical (but extraordinarily powerful) entity (some things may always change), Nagakabouros is a metaphysical power. It is more a pure force of nature than a human construct or a single powerful individual entity or an anthropomorphic personification. It is intertwined with reality in every single one of its magical facets. (Note that this is my own attempt at describing it. Like I said earlier, there are no right answers yet, if ever.) > or it is a stronger cosmic entity than aurelion sol who created life. Aurelion Sol did not create life, to be clear, although he did enable the conditions for at least some life to emerge. Odds are, Aurelion Sol himself is not aware of how Runeterra truly came to be by the world rune using celestials that crafted it and/or why they would do such a thing (although the planet is now of great interest to him since Targon's hold on him is weakened there). Could they have chosen a different star to do so or is there something special about the sun and/or Aurelion's own method of forging stars? That's a good question. A few sources and good posts on Nagakabouros, [here:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/icewate2?comment=000000000001) > On Nagakabouros faith: > > "A god's appearance is limited only by those observing it" -Illaoi > > Illaoi's power: > Illaoi is powerful because she is personally capable of serving her god--- that's actually a rare gift. That puts her on the same level as Moses at the very least. Channeling her god's power (not generating it) is extremely difficult. > > (...) > > RE Aol Sol vs- Nagakabouros: > > Aol Sol is, at best, a demi-god-- he serves only one reality and exists on only one realm. > He mocks humans because they are as small to him as mites to us. > BUT comparing him to Nagakabouros is like comparing a dung beetle to the theory of relativity. > He's just pointing out he has a better view in the rug. [Here:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/icewate2?comment=00000000000100120000) > AOL SOL: > Here's the thing: > Aol Sol made stars. Check. > Aol Sol made a bunch of stars. Check. > Aol Sol is super old. Check. > Aol Sol is the only dragon. Nope. > Dragons are Gods. Meh. (see below) > > Aol Sol does not reflect a universal reality or truth. > Aol Sol does not exist or travel between planes. > Aol Sol can be trapped, contained, and controlled. > Aol Sol can die in some ways. (Though does not age) > > Ultimately he is "A True Dragon." An extremely powerful being. Is that a type of god? Meh... > The definition of a god is pretty flexible (based on different cultural norms) So he could be depending on your point of view. > He is super-powerful. > He has been worshipped as a god. > > NAGA: > Illaoi's god is not the only god. (See above: God is a tricky term). > Nagakabouros is not even the only god worshipped in Buhru (though it is the most popular on that island). > Illaoi's religion is about life serving the universe. But Nagakabouros is see as bigger than that goal. > Illaoi knows, she can not comprehend her god or it's plan. So she and her religion are attempting to serve and understand a small portion of that god idea. > She is aware that Nagakabouros is a mental construct based on human's limited perception and intellect -- but it is an attempt to illustrate a greater truth (See Brahma vs Para Brahman for an example of this.) > > I did a lot of research on pre-christian faiths and Hinduism when creating this religion. Our real world pantheistic religions do not (and did not) believe in individual gods in a childlike way. It was/is a very philosophically complex view of the universe, where elements, and ideas are broken down and given constructs to hold greater concepts. Those constructs exist as dualities == both a truth and as mere symbol of a higher truth. (Thus the signifier is viewed with equal import as the signified) > Using those definitions (which is how Illaoi sees the world). A god is not simply "a being of a particular power level" it the reflection of an abstract truth. [And:](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1gy7uj/?context=3) > It's unlikely he could defeat Nagakabouros, he would need to end the universe.
> [{quoted}](name=TacoBrain,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LE19ntyX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-22T18:03:27.639+0000) > > Waaaarghbobo, lead writer on Illaoi, has spoken about Nagakabouros on a few occasions here and there and, while he hasn't given any clear answers (indeed, I would say that Nagakabouros being something that the human mind can only ever perceive a fragment of is part of its intended mystique) it does paint a semblance of a metaphysical picture, as it were. > > Nagakabouros seems associated with life and with living beings and with the cycle of life and death (and therefore souls). It is said to transcend dimensions and that to destroy it one would need to destroy the universe. > > I see Nagakabouros as akin to time or space except, where time and space do not necessarily translate to the other planes of existence (spirit and celestial), Nagakabouros does. In our world, we have four fundamental interactions. In the IP, we have (at least) one more if that makes sense, it is Nagakabouros which seems to be the cycle of life in all its entirety (or maybe, the tendency for life to emerge and become sapient and feeling as if some higher evolutionary/creative calling in the setting). > > Illaoi's religion believes Nagakabouros has a plan for the universe and that following one's passions advances that plan. They may yet be proven right. Or maybe, Nagakabouros' nature is so all-encompassing that it can't even properly perceive (or if it can, does not necessarily care for) mortal life. Is a person aware of each and every bacteria living in their guts? > > I do not think Nagakabouros is a spirit god. It does not appear to be a product of human faith or myth nor does it seem significantly shaped by worship even if its connection to the spirit realm seems undeniable. Buhru's culture and religion may, however, "color" how they channel its power hence the watery tentacles vibe. It is not necessarily what Naga is (if it even "is" in a physical sense, I imagine it exists in all things as a fundamental tendency of creation). It doesn't even have to be sentient in any way that humanity can fathom because the importance of Illaoi's god is not in itself but in how Illaoi (and the people of Buhru) draw and interpret it. > > With that said, Buhru worship could have potentially birthed a spirit that reflects their own attempts at describing their deity, a "fake" Nagakabouros born of human thought. Always an exciting possibility. > > So yes, out of the two options provided the second seems the most apt. Except, whereas Aurelion Sol (and possibly his "kin") seems to be a purely physical (but extraordinarily powerful) entity (some things may always change), Nagakabouros is a metaphysical power. It is more a pure force of nature than a human construct or a single powerful individual entity or an anthropomorphic personification. It is intertwined with reality in every single one of its magical facets. (Note that this is my own attempt at describing it. Like I said earlier, there are no right answers yet, if ever.) > > Aurelion Sol did not create life, to be clear, although he did enable the conditions for at least some life to emerge. Odds are, Aurelion Sol himself is not aware of how Runeterra truly came to be by the world rune using celestials that crafted it and/or why they would do such a thing (although the planet is now of great interest to him since Targon's hold on him is weakened there). Could they have chosen a different star to do so or is there something special about the sun and/or Aurelion's own method of forging stars? That's a good question. > > A few sources and good posts on Nagakabouros, [here:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/icewate2?comment=000000000001) > > > [Here:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/icewate2?comment=00000000000100120000) > > [And:](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1gy7uj/?context=3) sorry I think you didnt understand my last sentence: I meant that it was nagakabouros who created all lives and was the god of souls
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: I think that you're new to lore right? If you want you can join our discord and chat with us about lore http://discord.gg/wxRnKet (just say that you came from boards so we know that it's you)
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LE19ntyX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-22T18:19:28.427+0000) > > I think that you're new to lore right? > If you want you can join our discord and chat with us about lore http://discord.gg/wxRnKet > (just say that you came from boards so we know that it's you) Yes the lore is amazing and I think I have read all the stories So now I search answer here Thx, I didnt know this site I will explore it to find more informations (sorry for my English,I m french)
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: I think that you're new to lore right? If you want you can join our discord and chat with us about lore http://discord.gg/wxRnKet (just say that you came from boards so we know that it's you)
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LE19ntyX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-22T18:19:28.427+0000) > > I think that you're new to lore right? > If you want you can join our discord and chat with us about lore http://discord.gg/wxRnKet > (just say that you came from boards so we know that it's you) Yes, the lore is amazing and I think that I have read all the stories si now I m searching answer here Thx , I didnt know this site I will explore it and search informations (sorry for m'y English, I m french)
TacoBrain (EUW)
: Waaaarghbobo, lead writer on Illaoi, has spoken about Nagakabouros on a few occasions here and there and, while he hasn't given any clear answers (indeed, I would say that Nagakabouros being something that the human mind can only ever perceive a fragment of is part of its intended mystique) it does paint a semblance of a metaphysical picture, as it were. Nagakabouros seems associated with life and with living beings and with the cycle of life and death (and therefore souls). It is said to transcend dimensions and that to destroy it one would need to destroy the universe. I see Nagakabouros as akin to time or space except, where time and space do not necessarily translate to the other planes of existence (spirit and celestial), Nagakabouros does. In our world, we have four fundamental interactions. In the IP, we have (at least) one more if that makes sense, it is Nagakabouros which seems to be the cycle of life in all its entirety (or maybe, the tendency for life to emerge and become sapient and feeling as if some higher evolutionary/creative calling in the setting). Illaoi's religion believes Nagakabouros has a plan for the universe and that following one's passions advances that plan. They may yet be proven right. Or maybe, Nagakabouros' nature is so all-encompassing that it can't even properly perceive (or if it can, does not necessarily care for) mortal life. Is a person aware of each and every bacteria living in their guts? I do not think Nagakabouros is a spirit god. It does not appear to be a product of human faith or myth nor does it seem significantly shaped by worship even if its connection to the spirit realm seems undeniable. Buhru's culture and religion may, however, "color" how they channel its power hence the watery tentacles vibe. It is not necessarily what Naga is (if it even "is" in a physical sense, I imagine it exists in all things as a fundamental tendency of creation). It doesn't even have to be sentient in any way that humanity can fathom because the importance of Illaoi's god is not in itself but in how Illaoi (and the people of Buhru) draw and interpret it. With that said, Buhru worship could have potentially birthed a spirit that reflects their own attempts at describing their deity, a "fake" Nagakabouros born of human thought. Always an exciting possibility. So yes, out of the two options provided the second seems the most apt. Except, whereas Aurelion Sol (and possibly his "kin") seems to be a purely physical (but extraordinarily powerful) entity (some things may always change), Nagakabouros is a metaphysical power. It is more a pure force of nature than a human construct or a single powerful individual entity or an anthropomorphic personification. It is intertwined with reality in every single one of its magical facets. (Note that this is my own attempt at describing it. Like I said earlier, there are no right answers yet, if ever.) > or it is a stronger cosmic entity than aurelion sol who created life. Aurelion Sol did not create life, to be clear, although he did enable the conditions for at least some life to emerge. Odds are, Aurelion Sol himself is not aware of how Runeterra truly came to be by the world rune using celestials that crafted it and/or why they would do such a thing (although the planet is now of great interest to him since Targon's hold on him is weakened there). Could they have chosen a different star to do so or is there something special about the sun and/or Aurelion's own method of forging stars? That's a good question. A few sources and good posts on Nagakabouros, [here:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/icewate2?comment=000000000001) > On Nagakabouros faith: > > "A god's appearance is limited only by those observing it" -Illaoi > > Illaoi's power: > Illaoi is powerful because she is personally capable of serving her god--- that's actually a rare gift. That puts her on the same level as Moses at the very least. Channeling her god's power (not generating it) is extremely difficult. > > (...) > > RE Aol Sol vs- Nagakabouros: > > Aol Sol is, at best, a demi-god-- he serves only one reality and exists on only one realm. > He mocks humans because they are as small to him as mites to us. > BUT comparing him to Nagakabouros is like comparing a dung beetle to the theory of relativity. > He's just pointing out he has a better view in the rug. [Here:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/icewate2?comment=00000000000100120000) > AOL SOL: > Here's the thing: > Aol Sol made stars. Check. > Aol Sol made a bunch of stars. Check. > Aol Sol is super old. Check. > Aol Sol is the only dragon. Nope. > Dragons are Gods. Meh. (see below) > > Aol Sol does not reflect a universal reality or truth. > Aol Sol does not exist or travel between planes. > Aol Sol can be trapped, contained, and controlled. > Aol Sol can die in some ways. (Though does not age) > > Ultimately he is "A True Dragon." An extremely powerful being. Is that a type of god? Meh... > The definition of a god is pretty flexible (based on different cultural norms) So he could be depending on your point of view. > He is super-powerful. > He has been worshipped as a god. > > NAGA: > Illaoi's god is not the only god. (See above: God is a tricky term). > Nagakabouros is not even the only god worshipped in Buhru (though it is the most popular on that island). > Illaoi's religion is about life serving the universe. But Nagakabouros is see as bigger than that goal. > Illaoi knows, she can not comprehend her god or it's plan. So she and her religion are attempting to serve and understand a small portion of that god idea. > She is aware that Nagakabouros is a mental construct based on human's limited perception and intellect -- but it is an attempt to illustrate a greater truth (See Brahma vs Para Brahman for an example of this.) > > I did a lot of research on pre-christian faiths and Hinduism when creating this religion. Our real world pantheistic religions do not (and did not) believe in individual gods in a childlike way. It was/is a very philosophically complex view of the universe, where elements, and ideas are broken down and given constructs to hold greater concepts. Those constructs exist as dualities == both a truth and as mere symbol of a higher truth. (Thus the signifier is viewed with equal import as the signified) > Using those definitions (which is how Illaoi sees the world). A god is not simply "a being of a particular power level" it the reflection of an abstract truth. [And:](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1gy7uj/?context=3) > It's unlikely he could defeat Nagakabouros, he would need to end the universe.
> [{quoted}](name=TacoBrain,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LE19ntyX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-22T18:03:27.639+0000) > > Waaaarghbobo, lead writer on Illaoi, has spoken about Nagakabouros on a few occasions here and there and, while he hasn't given any clear answers (indeed, I would say that Nagakabouros being something that the human mind can only ever perceive a fragment of is part of its intended mystique) it does paint a semblance of a metaphysical picture, as it were. > > Nagakabouros seems associated with life and with living beings and with the cycle of life and death (and therefore souls). It is said to transcend dimensions and that to destroy it one would need to destroy the universe. > > I see Nagakabouros as akin to time or space except, where time and space do not necessarily translate to the other planes of existence (spirit and celestial), Nagakabouros does. In our world, we have four fundamental interactions. In the IP, we have (at least) one more if that makes sense, it is Nagakabouros which seems to be the cycle of life in all its entirety (or maybe, the tendency for life to emerge and become sapient and feeling as if some higher evolutionary/creative calling in the setting). > > Illaoi's religion believes Nagakabouros has a plan for the universe and that following one's passions advances that plan. They may yet be proven right. Or maybe, Nagakabouros' nature is so all-encompassing that it can't even properly perceive (or if it can, does not necessarily care for) mortal life. Is a person aware of each and every bacteria living in their guts? > > I do not think Nagakabouros is a spirit god. It does not appear to be a product of human faith or myth nor does it seem significantly shaped by worship even if its connection to the spirit realm seems undeniable. Buhru's culture and religion may, however, "color" how they channel its power hence the watery tentacles vibe. It is not necessarily what Naga is (if it even "is" in a physical sense, I imagine it exists in all things as a fundamental tendency of creation). It doesn't even have to be sentient in any way that humanity can fathom because the importance of Illaoi's god is not in itself but in how Illaoi (and the people of Buhru) draw and interpret it. > > With that said, Buhru worship could have potentially birthed a spirit that reflects their own attempts at describing their deity, a "fake" Nagakabouros born of human thought. Always an exciting possibility. > > So yes, out of the two options provided the second seems the most apt. Except, whereas Aurelion Sol (and possibly his "kin") seems to be a purely physical (but extraordinarily powerful) entity (some things may always change), Nagakabouros is a metaphysical power. It is more a pure force of nature than a human construct or a single powerful individual entity or an anthropomorphic personification. It is intertwined with reality in every single one of its magical facets. (Note that this is my own attempt at describing it. Like I said earlier, there are no right answers yet, if ever.) > > Aurelion Sol did not create life, to be clear, although he did enable the conditions for at least some life to emerge. Odds are, Aurelion Sol himself is not aware of how Runeterra truly came to be by the world rune using celestials that crafted it and/or why they would do such a thing (although the planet is now of great interest to him since Targon's hold on him is weakened there). Could they have chosen a different star to do so or is there something special about the sun and/or Aurelion's own method of forging stars? That's a good question. > > A few sources and good posts on Nagakabouros, [here:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/icewate2?comment=000000000001) > > > [Here:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/icewate2?comment=00000000000100120000) > > [And:](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1gy7uj/?context=3) Thx for the answer
Rioter Comments
: Yeah, it will be a comic, I just tend to think so much father than I type, sorry for the confusion. Me too and since I also enjoyed the Ashe: Warmother comic a lot, I gonna get the physical edition to suppor the Narrative team. Lets hope the sales are good enough to contiue it.
> [{quoted}](name=Lady Faceless,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=lfjyAswt,comment-id=000700000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-21T18:39:29.944+0000) > > Yeah, it will be a comic, I just tend to think so much father than I type, sorry for the confusion. > Me too and since I also enjoyed the Ashe: Warmother comic a lot, I gonna get the physical edition to suppor the Narrative team. Lets hope the sales are good enough to contiue it. it s ok thx
: > "Yes, hopefully in Oathfather." > ok thx, but I don't understand this answer(from odin) Oathfather is a possible upcoming comic about Udyr. With "possible" it means it hasn't been accept yet, but if the Ashe sales are good, we could get this as follow up.
> [{quoted}](name=Lady Faceless,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=lfjyAswt,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-21T08:21:17.287+0000) > > Oathfather is a possible upcoming about Udyr. > With "possible" it means it hasn't been accept yet, but if the Ashe sales are good, we could get this as follow up. I really want it to be done do you know if it will be a comic?
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=lfjyAswt,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-03-21T07:05:42.460+0000) > > sorry, but what is oathfather?{{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}} Oh in freljord the tribes warmother(boss) has multiple husbands, they will become oathfathers to the child they have with the warmother. It's a nice word for Dad. But honestly read the comics! They're on universe! Catch up https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_PL/comic/
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=lfjyAswt,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-03-21T07:29:44.959+0000) > > Oh in freljord the tribes warmother(boss) has multiple husbands, they will become oathfathers to the child they have with the warmother. It's a nice word for Dad. But honestly read the comics! They're on universe! Catch up https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_PL/comic/ "Yes, hopefully in Oathfather." ok thx, but I don't understand this answer(from odin)
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: Ashe: Warmother Comic Nr. 4 (final) Feedback and Character Discussion; SPOILERS
sorry, but what is oathfather?{{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
Moody P (NA)
: Why is Nagakaborous concerned with humans?
so is nagakabouros a powerful spirit or a cosmic entity?
: Kayle and Morgana Concept Art by Oussama Agazzoum and Lonewingy
Atgo (EUW)
: Both souls and species spirits exists, any soul of that species is connected to the spirit of their specie in a way. There might be an human spirit, but I don't think it would ever be able to manifest itself fully, to explain more easily I will answer your spirit-god question first. Spirit-gods are the embodiments of a certain cultural ideal of their respective regions, for example, Volibear represents everything in nature that could kill you, since Freljordians associates the dangerous wild both with storms and bears, Volibear "takes power" from the spirit of storms and the spirit of the bear due to how Freljordian culture represents the dangers of nature. To clarify what I meant with "take power" is that animal spurs or elemental spirits can't manifest their entirety fully in the physical realm, instead, "parts" of them are associated with others "source energies" to form spirit-gods. Back to the spirit of humanity, considering how humanity is so divided with a bazillion cultures, the spirit of humanity is probably split into several minor spirits(not necessarily at the level of spirit-gods) the Spirit of Ionia may be connected in some way to a minor spiritual truth "from" the spirit of humanity which represents Ionians for example. Hope that text helped, my English isn't do good so sorry if it is hard to understand.
> [{quoted}](name=Atgo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EEUj4E3Z,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-17T10:24:01.005+0000) > > Both souls and species spirits exists, any soul of that species is connected to the spirit of their specie in a way. > > There might be an human spirit, but I don't think it would ever be able to manifest itself fully, to explain more easily I will answer your spirit-god question first. > > Spirit-gods are the embodiments of a certain cultural ideal of their respective regions, for example, Volibear represents everything in nature that could kill you, since Freljordians associates the dangerous wild both with storms and bears, Volibear "takes power" from the spirit of storms and the spirit of the bear due to how Freljordian culture represents the dangers of nature. To clarify what I meant with "take power" is that animal spurs or elemental spirits can't manifest their entirety fully in the physical realm, instead, "parts" of them are associated with others "source energies" to form spirit-gods. > > Back to the spirit of humanity, considering how humanity is so divided with a bazillion cultures, the spirit of humanity is probably split into several minor spirits(not necessarily at the level of spirit-gods) the Spirit of Ionia may be connected in some way to a minor spiritual truth "from" the spirit of humanity which represents Ionians for example. > > Hope that text helped, my English isn't do good so sorry if it is hard to understand. Yes it really help me , thx a lot My English is bad too, dont worry(I m french)
Fasmodey (EUW)
: That's what I am talking about. *Briefly*. Kai'Sa always gets fully covered by her voidborn skin before using her ultimate. Her skin is voidborn. It can handle brief encounter with the Void. But tbh, we don't if her ultimate is canon or not, and it was just Reav3, producer, not a writer.
> [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:52:56.168+0000) > > That's what I am talking about. *Briefly*. Kai'Sa always gets fully covered by her voidborn skin before using her ultimate. Her skin is voidborn. It can handle brief encounter with the Void. > > But tbh, we don't if her ultimate is canon or not, and it was just Reav3, producer, not a writer. ok thx
Fasmodey (EUW)
: IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long.
> [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:43:23.759+0000) > > IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. > > Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long. but if the void corrupts voidborns, why do they stay near voidcracks?
Fasmodey (EUW)
: IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long.
> [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:43:23.759+0000) > > IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. > > Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long. but a rioter has confirmed that kai'sa goes into the true void when she uses her ult
Pale Mask (EUW)
: I believe that may be an outdated piece of lore. I'm aware that it's displayed on the Void page, but as far as we know, only the Watchers can dwell in the Void. Voidborn are a thing only on Runeterra. If any Voidborn 'entered' the Void, it would immediately be annihilated.
> [{quoted}](name=Pale Mask,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:25:31.269+0000) > > I believe that may be an outdated piece of lore. I'm aware that it's displayed on the Void page, but as far as we know, only the Watchers can dwell in the Void. Voidborn are a thing only on Runeterra. > > If any Voidborn 'entered' the Void, they would immediately be annihilated. Thank you for answering. I thought that too but I was not sure
Pale Mask (EUW)
: They can't. The Voidborn are made of the matter that the Watchers found in the universe. The Void is nothingness, or, rather, it isn't anything, so the Voidborn would simply cease to exist upon 'entering' it (or exiting reality, if you want to say it like that). The Watchers don't really exist; they're incomprehensible beings and vastly more complicated than their miscreations.
> [{quoted}](name=Pale Mask,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:19:51.824+0000) > > They can't. > > The Voidborn are made of the matter the Watchers found in the universe. The Void is nothingness, or, rather, it isn't anything, so the Voidborn would simply cease to exist upon 'entering' it (or exiting reality, if you want to say it like that). > > The Watchers don't really exist; they're incomprehensible beings and vastly more complicated than their miscreations. "Denizens of the Void realm itself are construct-creatures, often of only limited sentience, but tasked with a singular purpose—to usher in total oblivion across Runeterra."
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: Look into the the concept of paragons, ala "dungeons and dragons".
> [{quoted}](name=fatherdarius,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EEUj4E3Z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-16T14:48:19.648+0000) > > Look into the the concept of paragons, ala "dungeons and dragons". I did not find it{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
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Jellbug (NA)
: Hi! I think you've got it overall. Kayle and Morgana are not technically Aspects of Justice -- that's their mother, who merged with the Celestial being and lost some of her own identity in the process. When Mihira, their mother, ascended Targon, the Aspect of Justice chose her because she had demonstrated justice in her own life -- and because she was pregnant with Kayle and Morgana. Mihira did not know she was pregnant, but the Aspect did. The twins always had inherent qualities of justice, and this was part of why they were granted powers. Their views and beliefs of justice are complimentary and balanced when they work together, but opposing and even antagonistic when they are in conflict. Thanks for the question!
> [{quoted}](name=Jellbug,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=t7AtvVVj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-09T02:57:14.653+0000) > > Hi! I think you've got it overall. > > Kayle and Morgana are not technically Aspects of Justice -- that's their mother, who merged with the Celestial being and lost some of her own identity in the process. > > When Mihira, their mother, ascended Targon, the Aspect of Justice chose her because she had demonstrated justice in her own life -- and because she was pregnant with Kayle and Morgana. Mihira did not know she was pregnant, but the Aspect did. The twins always had inherent qualities of justice, and this was part of why they were granted powers. Their views and beliefs of justice are complimentary and balanced when they work together, but opposing and even antagonistic when they are in conflict. > > Thanks for the question! thank you very much for responding! you are awesome and the new lore too{{sticker:sg-jinx}}
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: @Riot - Who the hell is Ronas to break a bond between twins?
it's not because you love your twin that you can not quarrel with her. We must not forget that they have celestial power, and if they really disagree, their fight is very heavy as consequences... I do not think Ronas was really important. He represents just what Kayle was trying to do and his death was the spark that lit up the conflict between the two sisters
: > [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=t7AtvVVj,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-08T15:33:19.305+0000) > > I really agree with all that and I apologize for these idiot post > but at least you confirm to me that morgana also represents justice, his "sufferings" being a kind of justice? Well, I don't think Morgana's representation of justice was ever in dispute.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=t7AtvVVj,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T15:38:46.458+0000) > > Well, I don't think Morgana's representation of justice was ever in dispute. ok thx
: Morgana doesn't act as an Aspect of Justice, she uses her powers to right what **she** thinks is wrong. Since Kayle and Morgana aren't directly Aspects, they regain their free will, so they're not bound to do something because of their celestial nature. Kayle chose to become closer to the celestial ideal of justice, Morgana does her own thing. > Kayle's ascension fully establishes her as the next aspect of justice (so comparable to diana/leona), while Morgana is far more human. Kayle embody's the celestial ideal of Justice closely, while Morgana has her own, more empathetic, version of the ideal. https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ayfxhw/were_the_rioters_that_reworked_kayle_and_morgana/ei0piwe/?context=3
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=t7AtvVVj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-08T11:33:05.992+0000) > > Morgana doesn't act as an Aspect of Justice, she uses her powers to right what **she** thinks is wrong. Since Kayle and Morgana aren't directly Aspects, they regain their free will, so they're not bound to do something because of their celestial nature. Kayle chose to become closer to the celestial ideal of justice, Morgana does her own thing. > > https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ayfxhw/were_the_rioters_that_reworked_kayle_and_morgana/ei0piwe/?context=3 yes, but a Rioter confirmed that they were chosen by the aspect when their mother was pregnant to represent 2 kinds of justice
drash79 (NA)
: What are you talking about? {{champion:10}} is the good guy, {{champion:25}} is the villain! Obviously.
> [{quoted}](name=drash79,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=t7AtvVVj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-08T15:13:03.871+0000) > > What are you talking about? > {{champion:10}} is the good guy, > {{champion:25}} is the villain! Obviously. no, not obviously one kills all the guilties and the other is more empathetic but hurts to improve people
: I think you're missing the point here. Morgana never rejected her powers or the blessing of the Aspect. She rejected Kayle's blind adherence to the concept of justice that was authoritarian and taken to an absolute extreme by her sister. Morgana had always acted in the way she thought was right, helping people redeem themselves as her brand of justice, whereas Kayle would have rather burnt them on the spot. So she never rejected her powers, she rejected her sister's extreme ideals. My biggest complaint about the entire story is this: Who the fuck is this random jackass that was Kayle's right hand man? Why does Kayle care for him so much, so much that when Morgana accidentally kills him, Kayle immediately brands her a traitor and breaks her bond with her? Was he her lover? The father of some unknown child? Like what is the importance of this random guy that Kayle's life views hinge on his life? Coming from being a twin myself, my brother takes a lot of precedence over other people. He can be a jerk sometimes, he can do things I don't agree with, but he will ALWAYS take priority, and I am far more inclined to side with him than others if it came to that. There's a REALLY potent bond there between us, and it sounded like there was one between Morgana and Kayle as well - so just WHO the FUCK is this guy to Kayle that he is able to completely shatter a bond between twins?
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=t7AtvVVj,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-08T15:22:58.973+0000) > > I think you're missing the point here. Morgana never rejected her powers or the blessing of the Aspect. She rejected Kayle's blind adherence to the concept of justice that was authoritarian and taken to an absolute extreme by her sister. Morgana had always acted in the way she thought was right, helping people redeem themselves as her brand of justice, whereas Kayle would have rather burnt them on the spot. So she never rejected her powers, she rejected her sister's extreme ideals. > > My biggest complaint about the entire story is this: Who the fuck is this random jackass that was Kayle's right hand man? Why does Kayle care for him so much, so much that when Morgana accidentally kills him, Kayle immediately brands her a traitor and breaks her bond with her? Was he her lover? The father of some unknown child? Like what is the importance of this random guy that Kayle's life views hinge on his life? > > Coming from being a twin myself, my brother takes a lot of precedence over other people. He can be a jerk sometimes, he can do things I don't agree with, but he will ALWAYS take priority, and I am far more inclined to side with him than others if it came to that. There's a REALLY potent bond there between us, and it sounded like there was one between Morgana and Kayle as well - so just WHO the FUCK is this guy to Kayle that he is able to completely shatter a bond between twins? I really agree with all that and I apologize for these idiot post but at least you confirm to me that morgana also represents justice, his "sufferings" being a kind of justice?
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: KAYLE & MORGANA Login Theme
beautiful!{{sticker:sg-soraka}}
: I mean, again, the fact that he was a dragon is more a common fan-theory than anything. I've seen others saying it's a bat, so... Sure. Horned owl. Why not? Personally, I just like the idea that there would be some Ascended based off of fictional creatures in Runeterra, because all the ones we know for certain are based on real-world animals. Imagine a ralsiji Ascendant...
for me, aatrox was a dragon and rhaast a kind of bull or probably a ralsiji
: Ah, thanks! I'll need to update the list later to include Ne'Zhuk then :P
zounet (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Gold Light,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=E75xjz3x,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-21T22:43:10.241+0000) > > Was it ever actually confirmed that Ne'Zuk was an Ascendant? I admit that he did slip my mind when I made this, but I don't recall if it's explicitly stated anywhere in the lore. It seems to me that he is an ascended emperor, because his glove was "from a warrior god" (maybe he stole it): "This, he realized, was a fearsome weapon of a previous age. A weapon fit for a god-warrior of Shurima, and the perfect tool for an explorer."
Ezreal: Updated Bio Who needs a map when you've got the gauntlet of a god-warrior? from https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/creative-spotlight/patch-notes-lore-edition
: Was it ever actually confirmed that Ne'Zuk was an Ascendant? I admit that he did slip my mind when I made this, but I don't recall if it's explicitly stated anywhere in the lore.
> [{quoted}](name=Gold Light,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=E75xjz3x,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-21T22:43:10.241+0000) > > Was it ever actually confirmed that Ne'Zuk was an Ascendant? I admit that he did slip my mind when I made this, but I don't recall if it's explicitly stated anywhere in the lore. It seems to me that he is an ascended emperor, because his glove was "from a warrior god" (maybe he stole it): "This, he realized, was a fearsome weapon of a previous age. A weapon fit for a god-warrior of Shurima, and the perfect tool for an explorer."
: A Comprehensive Rundown of Shuriman Ascendants
Very well done but I think you forgot Ne'zuk, who had the ezreal glove
zounet (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Brumbo Tungus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PrL3053A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T17:39:18.776+0000) > > She always has both swords, they're fused into 1 sword and she just splits them apart. ok thx, I was nt sure, but what is the current transformation of kayle in the lore?
> [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PrL3053A,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T18:00:58.735+0000) > > ok > thx, I was nt sure, but what is the current transformation of kayle in the lore? Did kyle ever have only 2 wings in the lore?
: She always has both swords, they're fused into 1 sword and she just splits them apart.
> [{quoted}](name=Brumbo Tungus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PrL3053A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T17:39:18.776+0000) > > She always has both swords, they're fused into 1 sword and she just splits them apart. ok thx, I was nt sure, but what is the current transformation of kayle in the lore?
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Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=VdHj9xQz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T12:00:29.884+0000) > > They have 6. ok thanks I wasnt sure because they only have 4 wings in their splashart
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Gilgayu (NA)
: Absolutely amazing post, thank you so much (as a concept creator in C&C, posts like this really helps out a lot) Are Watchers the known highest-in-command for Void, or have there been hints of a higher life form? When they create a Voidborn, are they actually separating their own energy (as in giving those purple Void energy to the Voidborn)? Or are they simply creating them from...nothing. If Void-Touched entities take wayyyyyyy longer to form than Voidborns, how are they so much weaker? and why? __________ (Now going into specifics) Ryze is probably the strongest mage alive. In his short story he battled a person wielding a World Rune head on, and won, proving his insane power as a mage. He also uses arcane magic, which is also one of the trees for in-game runes. From this we can somewhat suspect that arcane magic is... one of the stronger branches of magic? In Ryze: Call of Power, he went pretty even with a watcher, whom you mentioned are powerful enough to take down Ascendents. So............................... Perhaps the only reason why Void hasn't taken over Runeterra is because of Ryze and a few other extremely powerful Ascendants (Bard, Nagakabouros, A Sol?). I'm also not sure where can I find information about the Void War, do you know where to look.
> [{quoted}](name=Gilgayu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rbUjJyWI,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-02-17T13:20:57.316+0000) > > Absolutely amazing post, thank you so much (as a concept creator in C&C, posts like this really helps out a lot) > > Are Watchers the known highest-in-command for Void, or have there been hints of a higher life form? > > When they create a Voidborn, are they actually separating their own energy (as in giving those purple Void energy to the Voidborn)? Or are they simply creating them from...nothing. > > If Void-Touched entities take wayyyyyyy longer to form than Voidborns, how are they so much weaker? and why? > __________ > (Now going into specifics) > Ryze is probably the strongest mage alive. In his short story he battled a person wielding a World Rune head on, and won, proving his insane power as a mage. > He also uses arcane magic, which is also one of the trees for in-game runes. From this we can somewhat suspect that arcane magic is... one of the stronger branches of magic? > > In Ryze: Call of Power, he went pretty even with a watcher, whom you mentioned are powerful enough to take down Ascendents. > > So............................... > > Perhaps the only reason why Void hasn't taken over Runeterra is because of Ryze and a few other extremely powerful Ascendants (Bard, Nagakabouros, A Sol?). > I'm also not sure where can I find information about the Void War, do you know where to look. very good theory I completely agree and I would like ryze to be really powerful to destroy a watcher
DaRkSkyX (EUW)
: All I like and I don't like about Kayle & Morgana reworks
but, there are wings falling on her dress so 6 wings
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