: What do you think is so special about Galio?
maybe magic can create life/soul
: Yep, you've done a great job of quoting every single line left intentionally obscure, with nothing concrete. Hell, you even included one of the lines that works against you, "Poppy’s been tasked with delivering a legendary hammer to a hero who will become legend." And _especially_, that line by O'Bryan. Saying that she is what gives the hammer its strength contradicts the idea that the hammer has any special value in the first place. If it's really Poppy, not the hammer, then it stands to reason it doesn't matter what hammer she's using. Nevermind the fact she shows just as much strength with her completely ordinary buckler. Though the contradictions are more a sign of O'Bryan being a poor writer, the fact of the matter still stands that nothing in the story says concretely that she is the hero. In fact, you've pointed out more lines that serve as evidence that she isn't.
” Players know one thing Poppy doesn’t: The hammer is right where it needs to be." lol you are really stubborn. you do not accept rioters' comments, so I stop answering you. "you can t make drink a donkey that is not thirsty." Keep thinking what you want, but everyone (except you) understands this essential part of the poppy lore. Good luck to explain in this post that rioters and poppy creators have been wrong and lie to us about her lore. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: Feel free to quote anywhere in her lore where it states she's the hero. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Is her title _The Hero of Demacia_?
"But what Poppy possesses in resolve, she lacks in ego, as it never even occurred to her that she might be the hero Orlon described." "Unfathomable feats of strength. Victory over impossible odds. The hallmarks of a great hero are almost always obvious, especially to the person displaying them. Almost always. Poppy’s been tasked with delivering a legendary hammer to a hero who will become legend. Journeying through Runeterra, she uncovers a number of would-be wielders, but never suspects the hammer might have found the right person already. The power of the hammer, the responsibility of her mission" from https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/champion-update-poppy-keeper-hammer and this was confirmed during his rework: "Though she’s been carrying the hammer for a long, long time, Poppy hasn’t yet realized that she’s what gives the hammer its strength. O’Bryan explains, “If you were to ask Poppy, she would probably think she’s nothing special. Everything she’s doing is because of this hammer she’s carrying around. But really, it’s all coming from her.” Players know one thing Poppy doesn’t: The hammer is right where it needs to be." from https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/riot-games/editorial/arsenal-forging-poppys-hammer so?{{sticker:poppy-wink}}
: It'd be an interesting development if Poppy weren't the hero. And several story elements point to that actually being the case. First and foremost, it never mentions that she can do anything with the hammer that Orlon could not. She trained with him for years. If the things she can do with it weren't similar to what he could do, she'd have noticed. And in the monster hunter story, there are two important details that point to her not being the hero depicted. First being that they're braids, not pigtails. But second and more important being that it doesn't mention her ever being where she's headed in search of him. Your claim that yordles "don't understand the passage of time" and can think they're somewhere else doesn't have any basis. **** It's almost definitely a joke about her being oblivious, but all of the concrete details in the story actually point to her not being the hero. Just imagine what the true hero can do with the hammer, if Poppy can do this much.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EucKbq0u,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-23T16:34:54.356+0000) > > It'd be an interesting development if Poppy weren't the hero. And several story elements point to that actually being the case. > > First and foremost, it never mentions that she can do anything with the hammer that Orlon could not. She trained with him for years. If the things she can do with it weren't similar to what he could do, she'd have noticed. > > And in the monster hunter story, there are two important details that point to her not being the hero depicted. First being that they're braids, not pigtails. But second and more important being that it doesn't mention her ever being where she's headed in search of him. Your claim that yordles "don't understand the passage of time" and can think they're somewhere else doesn't have any basis. > **** > > It's almost definitely a joke about her being oblivious, but all of the concrete details in the story actually point to her not being the hero. > Just imagine what the true hero can do with the hammer, if Poppy can do this much. Of course she's the hero. this is the most important part of her lore {{sticker:poppy-wink}}
: I kind of agree. There was a time I cared about the lore but that lore and those champs are in the memory hole now along with my cares.
So why do you speak here?
: I would love to see what is going on with Anivia and Trundle.
yes, new anivia lore, please. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-hearts}} and I want to know more about true ice
: > [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yu3L0H10,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-06-19T06:21:54.204+0000) > > voidborns cant be into the void Even Malzahar's voidlings?
that's not canon is it in the universe? no so it's not canon there are only watchers in the void. The voidborns are born in runeterra because they are made of corrupted material by the watchers. It comes from the bio of vel'koz
: Possible Directions for Cho’Gath in the Lore.
WOw! It's awesome! really, I like all the possibilities a lot. the only sad thing is that we can never have all these lores, because there is only one cho'gath :) Really, well done. I have greatly appreciated your ethimology of the word "cho'gath", including "sai" (desert) and "naga" (monster, dragon, as naga-kabouros: language buhru is close to the language of ixtal) I see that you have been paying attention to the details and that's great because it helps to make cho'gath more consistent in runeterra. I wish so much that one of these lore is official. So ... just thanks (and sorry for my bad english)
: Given he's the closest thing to a Kaiju league has I think it might be a safe bet that he could be hiding in the ocean and he's in some form of hibernation. Imagine being a citizen of Piltover and you look out of your window one morning and see Cho'Gath approaching... that would be an incredible bit of lore. Or it's possible he's in the void and there's not portal big enough to let him through, cos the Icathian and Freljord rifts are sealed. The Xer'Sai seem to be building a massive void construct, maybe it's a portal to let him through
> [{quoted}](name=Hovering Hentai,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yu3L0H10,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-18T22:12:45.238+0000) > > Given he's the closest thing to a Kaiju league has I think it might be a safe bet that he could be hiding in the ocean and he's in some form of hibernation. > > Imagine being a citizen of Piltover and you look out of your window one morning and see Cho'Gath approaching... that would be an incredible bit of lore. > > Or it's possible he's in the void and there's not portal big enough to let him through, cos the Icathian and Freljord rifts are sealed. > > The Xer'Sai seem to be building a massive void construct, maybe it's a portal to let him through voidborns cant be into the void
: And there shouldn't be personal emotions when it comes to a multi-billion company.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T22:05:31.976+0000) > > And there should be personal emotions when it comes to a multibillion company. yes but not ONLY bad emotions we can criticize, but we must know HOW to criticize: not saying that writers do what they want with lore since 2014, and that they do all this without thinking and without pleasure but maybe it's too hard for you to be polite and respectful?
zounet (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-14T21:01:38.702+0000) > > Judge EVERYTHING that comes into the public space as a form of entertainment. If you do not, they cannot improve. > The lore and narrative team are aiming to present cohesive and world-building lore to entertain the players and enrich the game's setting. If their writers are bad, they have failed at what they were setting out to do, and the effect they were attempting to evoke in people is lost. Critiquing and judging their work, and importantly, giving them feedback on where they need to improve and what pitfalls to avoid, is imperative to helping those writers and people improve their work. If they don't improve, they'll continue to create bad or mediocre work that WILL drive people away from the lore and may possibly even lead to their own unemployment if Riot determines that their work is unsatisfactory. > So never sit there and just blindly accept things. Always question, always give people the room to improve and make their works better. we must also know how to encourage and then some people like lore when else hate it
> [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-14T21:42:49.848+0000) > > we must also know how to encourage > and then some people like lore when others hate it
: Truly... They must be so so sad from all of the 3 negative comments for their work. They do this for us because they all love us. We really should know better.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T20:01:05.790+0000) > > Truly... They must be so so sad from all of the 3 negative comments for their work. They do this for us because they all love us. We really should know better. humans are extraordinary because of their emotions. And contrary to what you think, riot writers are human, not robots, and enjoy compliments
: Judge EVERYTHING that comes into the public space as a form of entertainment. If you do not, they cannot improve. The lore and narrative team are aiming to present cohesive and world-building lore to entertain the players and enrich the game's setting. If their writers are bad, they have failed at what they were setting out to do, and the effect they were attempting to evoke in people is lost. Critiquing and judging their work, and importantly, giving them feedback on where they need to improve and what pitfalls to avoid, is imperative to helping those writers and people improve their work. If they don't improve, they'll continue to create bad or mediocre work that WILL drive people away from the lore and may possibly even lead to their own unemployment if Riot determines that their work is unsatisfactory. So never sit there and just blindly accept things. Always question, always give people the room to improve and make their works better.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-14T21:01:38.702+0000) > > Judge EVERYTHING that comes into the public space as a form of entertainment. If you do not, they cannot improve. > The lore and narrative team are aiming to present cohesive and world-building lore to entertain the players and enrich the game's setting. If their writers are bad, they have failed at what they were setting out to do, and the effect they were attempting to evoke in people is lost. Critiquing and judging their work, and importantly, giving them feedback on where they need to improve and what pitfalls to avoid, is imperative to helping those writers and people improve their work. If they don't improve, they'll continue to create bad or mediocre work that WILL drive people away from the lore and may possibly even lead to their own unemployment if Riot determines that their work is unsatisfactory. > So never sit there and just blindly accept things. Always question, always give people the room to improve and make their works better. we must also know how to encourage and then some people like lore when else hate it
: Oh yes, The poor writers need some rest from me.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T19:52:13.216+0000) > > Oh yes, The poor writers need some rest from me. Well, I'm going to stop talking to you, I have enough let off steam, you know, like with a punching ball
: Oh yes, The poor writers need some rest from me.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T19:52:13.216+0000) > > Oh yes, The poor writers need some rest from me. indeed and according to the votes, I'm not the only one who thinks
: It's the weakest argument ever to expect us to believe that an arrogant prick of an emperor like Azir was somehow satisfying and preventing the Darkin from becoming power-hungry. I don't buy it for a single second.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T19:21:14.927+0000) > > It's the weakest argument ever to expect us to believe that an arrogant prick of an emperor like Azir was somehow satisfying and preventing the Darkin from becoming power-hungry. I don't buy it for a single second. Do you know the void?
: Holy shit I laughed so loud. Thank you. Anyways And yes I would very very much like people to give me feedback and critique me If I was a musician. But in our little case we are beyond that, aren't we?
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T19:21:00.943+0000) > > Holy shit I laughed so loud. Thank you. > Anyways > And yes I would very very much like people to give me feedback and critique me If I was a musician. But in our little case we are beyond that, aren't we? all the better if I made you laugh at least you did not complain for a few minutes and indeed, you would make a bad musician (too grumpy)
: No, it's not. Their line of logic after Azir died was this: I no longer have an emperor to serve. But wait, I'm a god. So yeah, let me take over everything. Except they all thought this, and began subjugating and enslaving humans. So if they're godlike beings who are simple humans with petty emotions, why did they not come to this conclusion PRIOR to his death? If they were enslaving humans anyway, why did someone like Azir stop them? It's not coherent AT ALL, because it makes no logical sense why gods would listen to a human, then suddenly remember they're gods and start enslaving them after that one human died.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T19:11:06.125+0000) > > No, it's not. Their line of logic after Azir died was this: > > I no longer have an emperor to serve. > But wait, I'm a god. > So yeah, let me take over everything. > > Except they all thought this, and began subjugating and enslaving humans. So if they're godlike beings who are simple humans with petty emotions, why did they not come to this conclusion PRIOR to his death? If they were enslaving humans anyway, why did someone like Azir stop them? It's not coherent AT ALL, because it makes no logical sense why gods would listen to a human, then suddenly remember they're gods and start enslaving them after that one human died. "you can't make a donkey drink that is not thirsty" so i cant explain this to you
: What always intrigued me about the league lore and what essentially got me into the lore is the mystery behind some characters and the wide world they all together formed. But recently its all going the other way around. First. Did we really need to know everything about the ancient spooky race known as Darkin? No, it destroys the whole point behind it. Mystery is what made Aatrox and the race interesting. Not a deep emotional relatability or connection... But no now they are just misunderstood and angry at the whole world, oh poor Aatrox. Literally the exact opposite of what was previously established and interesting. (And This is a whole problem on its own some of the writers just don't give a single fuck about what was previously written and what held the fans to the champions lore. They just go on with their own imaginations and ideas...The irony of the 2014 post "just removing the summoners.")
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-14T19:03:03.504+0000) > > What always intrigued me about the league lore and what essentially got me into the lore is the mystery behind some characters and the wide world they all together formed. But recently its all going the other way around. > > First. Did we really need to know everything about the ancient spooky race known as Darkin? No, it destroys the whole point behind it. Mystery is what made Aatrox and the race interesting. Not a deep emotional relatability or connection... But no now they are just misunderstood and angry at the whole world, oh poor Aatrox. Literally the exact opposite of what was previously established and interesting. > > (And This is a whole problem on its own some of the writers just don't give a single fuck about what was previously written and what held the fans to the champions lore. They just go on with their own imaginations and ideas...The irony of the 2014 post "just removing the summoners.") do not judge writers! is it you who have written this? it's not nice to criticize all their work so badly. If you are not happy with this lore, do not read it. If you were a musician, would you like journalists everywhere to say that your music is really bad? No? So do not be like these journalists I understand you dont agree with everything, but ask them first why they did it
: Even if they a god-like ancient race nothing to do with shurima. I would have liked it I assume. The thing that really left a poor taste in my mouth is that they didn't even try to explain or give reasons to why the glorious holy ascendants went from that to mad killers that want to destroy and kill literally everything . And the whole red demon look, lol, "they created their own flesh", why? Because we want them as shurimans don't ask questions. is literally what they did...
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T18:44:15.582+0000) > > Even if they a god-like ancient race nothing to do with shurima. I would have liked it I assume. The thing that really left a poor taste in my mouth is that they didn't even try to explain or give reasons to why the glorious holy ascendants went from that to mad killers that want to destroy and kill literally everything . And the whole red demon look, lol, "they created their own flesh", why? Because we want them as shurimans don't ask questions. is literally what they did... think you've read all there is to read about the void... you have your answer And having a bird, snake or bull's head should not be very fun after 2000 years I too will have tried to look more human and "badass"
: Yeah, none of it really made sense, and it just made the world more circular and closed off too many potentials, while overusing already overused ideas. Like really? The godlike Ascended starting fighting for power AFTER the death of Azir, the "spineless" human emperor of Shurima? Like if their egos were inflated to the point where they went ballistic after his death, why did a human, who wasn't ascended at the time, prevent them from usurping the throne and trying to conquer Shurima long before that?
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T18:47:29.961+0000) > > Yeah, none of it really made sense, and it just made the world more circular and closed off too many potentials, while overusing already overused ideas. > > Like really? The godlike Ascended starting fighting for power AFTER the death of Azir, the "spineless" human emperor of Shurima? Like if their egos were inflated to the point where they went ballistic after his death, why did a human, who wasn't ascended at the time, prevent them from usurping the throne and trying to take it from him long before that? because they already had everything they wanted: they were seen as gods before the fall of shurima!they were more than just emperors they are humans spirit, it is normal that without empire to defend and without people who adore you ,you find another objective (and the void is not in that for nothing) It's very coherent
: Darkin as angry Ascended is not more coherent or interesting. It makes the story circular, it overuses the hell out of the Targon-empowering-humanity trope, and it removed one of the more interesting potential villainous avenues that could have been developed.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2019-06-14T18:43:00.057+0000) > > Darkin as angry Ascended is not more coherent or interesting. It makes the story circular, it overuses the hell out of the Targon-empowering-humanity trope, and it removed one of the more interesting potential villainous avenues that could have been developed. it's just your opinion I think this is more interesting because it offers a real place for darkins in runeterra, instead of creating a new world of aliens. and this is more coherent with their horned designs, like animals(and ascended) I am really sorry that this lore uptade you disappointed, but ,me,I am very satisfied. and the aliens are already the aspects. It's largely enough
: After a whole year, I'm ok about them being just Shuriman ascendants, since I lost all interest in them. I much preferred them as some separate ancient race rather than some ascendants with dumb reasonings to go mad and red, lol. I'm okay with Varus and Rhaast but I absolutely despise Aatrox. He is just a joke.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-14T18:24:56.248+0000) > > After a whole year, I'm ok about them being just Shuriman ascendants, since I lost all interest in them. I much preferred them as some separate ancient race rather than some ascendants with dumb reasonings to go mad and red, lol. > I'm okay with Varus and Rhaast but I absolutely despise Aatrox. He is just a joke. Aatrox is great! his model is cooler and he has a much more interesting personality now moreover, the fact that darkins are ascended is more coherent and interresting, but it's just my opinion
: > [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PRERwLkn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-13T06:36:38.868+0000) > > how did you modify the map? > it's very realistic! simple photoshop
> [{quoted}](name=My Fizz no ult,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PRERwLkn,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-13T07:42:41.988+0000) > > simple photoshop well done{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: The Truth of Runeterra History
how did you modify the map? it's very realistic!
Rioter Comments
: Qiyana has a boring design
i like this crown!
: I've been thinking about the realms of existence in the lore and I think I can explain it to you in simpler terms Basically there exists 4 realms, 4 states of being, Physical, Spiritual, Celestial and Void Physical and Spiritual are opposite to one another. Material and immaterial. In the same way that a dog, a corn dog, your mom and a cloud are objects in the physical realm, Yordles, the Undead, Spirits and Demons are all spirits. They aren't REAL but they aren't NOT REAL they exist in this ephemeral stat in between. The key to understanding might be this. In the Physical Realm there are different places that we wouldn't confuse one for another. Shurima, Demacia, Bilgewater, Piltover, Ionia etc. Well in the Spirit Realm it's the same. Bandle City, The Glade, Nocturnes Realm of Shadows, Mordekaisers Death Realm, wherever Shen goes to do his spirit stuff. Just different places on a different plane but maybe getting from one place to another isn't as simple as putting one foot in front of the other. The other two realms are the Celestial Realm and The Void and they represent Everything and Nothingness. The Celestial Realm is vast possibilities stretched for eternity while the Void is (or was at least, the Watchers are still trying to set that right) infinite nothingness, no possibilities. Just peaceful abyss. The Aspects themselves are just conceptual thought that represent ideals and can hijack humans and The Watchers are the opposite an entity with such a lack of distinguishing traits that they might not be called Watchers BECAUSE they can watch, but maybe because that's ALL they do. You know.... being nothing and all. Maybe I'm making it more confusing. Lets see how the forums handle an impromptu Visual Aid It's a matrix you see...or a Punnett Square. X axis is Material vs Immaterial and on the Y axis Everything and Nothing ................................................Everything.................................................. Material -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Immaterial ................................................Nothing.................................................. Physical = Material Everything Celestial = Material Nothing Spiritual = Immaterial Everything Void = Immaterial Nothing Everything and Nothing are probably not descriptive enough words to get my point across, but I think it helps to see it this way.
great, that is good ideas{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > It is obvious that these two magics are related Except they aren't. A Rioter said on twitter once that the only cause where they are related is with the elemental borns in Freljord cause it has something to do with the Spirit Gods influence.
really where, please?
: > [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AzY1Zknf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-10T00:39:55.638+0000) > > Ok so my breakdown of this is the following: Elemental magic, Celestial magic and Spirit magic are the three big types of magic that all the specific ones derive from these three combining in different ways. > > These three are the big three because they each correlate from a realm of existence of magic into three realms. > > Elemental (The Physical plane of Reality aka Runeterra which is comprised of the Elements) Spiritual (Spirit Realm) and Celestial (Outer Targon/The Cosmos). > > The Void is also a "realm" but its more like an anti-realm. The nothing that gives contrast and meaning to reality so their Void "magic" isn't really magic as you would expect from the Void lol > > Lets start with Elemental. Remember when {{champion:13}} demonstrated his Elemental magic, lighting a fire and explaining magic to Brand. Ryze technically is an Elemental mage as well as a Celestial one in a sense. Brand himself is on fire (definitely Elemental) and yet a product of the Runes. It actually makes sense that Runic magic is Elemental + Celestial. > > Runic magic being both celestial and elemental makes some sense. The Runes were tools used by other beings to create the realm of existence: The Physical Realm. Humans excel at elemental magic because its' very real to us. We can comprehend fire, water, air, time because we are intune with these elements that comprise our world. We can touch, feel and truly understand all of them. Because the elements are physical and not ethereal or transcendental like Spirit and Celestial respectively, it already exists in the world and Runeterrans simply _direct it_. The Runes are Physical AND Celestial. The Runes are basically Reality given form. > > Chronomancy seems like it should be celestial as its' more of a in depth construct than something like fire. Humans still comprehend and are directly effected by time though so it could still qualify as an element. Just a much deeper one. > > With Bandle City and Mordekaiser we've learned of the Spirit Realm. They both exists in different planes of this realm and so Yordle magic and Necromantic magic are related if that makes sense. Same with Vastaya magic since the Vastayhsa'rei were spiritual and shadow magic from Nocturnes' bio also is spirit magic. > > I don't Understand why Hemomancy {{champion:8}} is Elemental and Spiritual tbh. If it was passed down from the Darkin who were once Ascended it should be Elemental and Celestial just like Runic magic. > > Hextech makes perfect sense though. Elemental magic ({{champion:126}} hammer uses electricty, {{champion:254}} Gauntlets are pneumatic so pressure from compressed air). > > The Spirit component comes from {{champion:72}} Brackern crystals which house the literal SOULS of his kin, making it just like Mordekaiser spirit magic. > > All that in mind look at {{champion:245}} now: Element (Chromomancy) + Spirit (Brackern Soul) + Tech (Z-Drive) and boom Hextech Time Magic! > > It's clear Riot has been putting some serious thought into encoding a hard magic system and all the stories from the last year have been teaching us some of the fundamentals. > > Go back and read these for more context on each of the big three: > > Elemental - Ryze and Brand (From The Ashes), Ixtal (Region) and Qylana > Celestial - The Darkin (Twilight of the Gods) , Soraka (Halfway Between the Stars and Earth), > Spiritual - Neeko (The Monster of Kalduga Outpost), Mordekaiser (The Final Reign), Bandle City (The Whispering Doodad), Nocturne bio > > Within this framework all of these stories become richer because now magic isn't just magic like in a soft magic system it's SCIENCE and it makes sense. My theory is that magic from the World Runes (aka the blue energy stuff Ryze and other mages use) is celestial energy that became an element of Runeterra upon it's creation, but unlike the other elements, it's not visible most of the time unless it's used
yes, it's very smart. thank you for sharing your ideas!
: Ok so my breakdown of this is the following: Elemental magic, Celestial magic and Spirit magic are the three big types of magic that all the specific ones derive from these three combining in different ways. These three are the big three because they each correlate from a realm of existence of magic into three realms. Elemental (The Physical plane of Reality aka Runeterra which is comprised of the Elements) Spiritual (Spirit Realm) and Celestial (Outer Targon/The Cosmos). The Void is also a "realm" but its more like an anti-realm. The nothing that gives contrast and meaning to reality so their Void "magic" isn't really magic as you would expect from the Void lol Lets start with Elemental. Remember when {{champion:13}} demonstrated his Elemental magic, lighting a fire and explaining magic to Brand. Ryze technically is an Elemental mage as well as a Celestial one in a sense. Brand himself is on fire (definitely Elemental) and yet a product of the Runes. It actually makes sense that Runic magic is Elemental + Celestial. > Kegan was getting frustrated now. “But that’s how magic works. That’s what my mother always did. She wanted it to do something, so she made it happen.” >The sorcerer suppressed a wince of irritation. “You don’t need to make magic happen. Magic exists in the world. The raw stuff of creation is all around us. You do not need to clutch it, and bend it to your needs. You can just… encourage it. Direct it along the path you would prefer it to take. Runic magic being both celestial and elemental makes some sense. The Runes were tools used by other beings to create the realm of existence: The Physical Realm. Humans excel at elemental magic because its' very real to us. We can comprehend fire, water, air, time because we are intune with these elements that comprise our world. We can touch, feel and truly understand all of them. Because the elements are physical and not ethereal or transcendental like Spirit and Celestial respectively, it already exists in the world and Runeterrans simply _direct it_. The Runes are Physical AND Celestial. The Runes are basically Reality given form. Chronomancy seems like it should be celestial as its' more of a in depth construct than something like fire. Humans still comprehend and are directly effected by time though so it could still qualify as an element. Just a much deeper one. With Bandle City and Mordekaiser we've learned of the Spirit Realm. They both exists in different planes of this realm and so Yordle magic and Necromantic magic are related if that makes sense. Same with Vastaya magic since the Vastayhsa'rei were spiritual and shadow magic from Nocturnes' bio also is spirit magic. I don't Understand why Hemomancy {{champion:8}} is Elemental and Spiritual tbh. If it was passed down from the Darkin who were once Ascended it should be Elemental and Celestial just like Runic magic. Hextech makes perfect sense though. Elemental magic ({{champion:126}} hammer uses electricty, {{champion:254}} Gauntlets are pneumatic so pressure from compressed air). The Spirit component comes from {{champion:72}} Brackern crystals which house the literal SOULS of his kin, making it just like Mordekaiser spirit magic. > Skarner and his kin are known for their great wisdom and deep connection to the land, as their souls are fused with powerful life crystals which hold the living thoughts and memories of their ancestors. The tech is just a more optimal housing for humans that aren't gifted with magic to use it. Like an iPhone empowering someone who can't program in a way. All that in mind look at {{champion:245}} now: Element (Chromomancy) + Spirit (Brackern Soul) + Tech (Z-Drive) and boom Hextech Time Magic! It's clear Riot has been putting some serious thought into encoding a hard magic system and all the stories from the last year have been teaching us some of the fundamentals. Go back and read these for more context on each of the big three: Elemental - Ryze and Brand (From The Ashes), Ixtal (Region) and Qylana Celestial - The Darkin (Twilight of the Gods) , Soraka (Halfway Between the Stars and Earth), Spiritual - Neeko (The Monster of Kalduga Outpost), Mordekaiser (The Final Reign), Bandle City (The Whispering Doodad), Nocturne bio Within this framework all of these stories become richer because now magic isn't just magic like in a soft magic system it's SCIENCE and it makes sense.
Wow! thx alot, your explanation is great! (as well as a rioter!){{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
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: Qiyana「League of Legends」- Piano Cover 🎹
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: By "faction" are you referring to the "regions" pages like what's on Universe? Cause I have a sneaky suspicion that this new faction isnt going to be significant enough to warrant it's own profile page. Qiyana might possibly end up categorized under Runeterra (or just broadly Shurima) rather than something specific for the Ixaocan. I'm curious how wrong I'm going to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm right.
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: What are you talking about everyone who says she doesn't look good well first go make a better character first then talk don't come here throwing your your bad opinion about her and wait for them to listen plus neither her or Kaisa are boring you and people who are like you are boring for fk sake go get a life
: Dark Star Jhin's theme is amazing.
I will cry...the music is AMAZING and with a login screen ! thx riot
: > [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LhOBdpQT,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-03T21:32:59.387+0000) > > Too many ? for everyone currently. Wait a week then we will see more. I thought that was just some artwork someone did Are you saying there's more lore coming for her? I can't wait"
Yes! it's an event only in Russia: "keeper of dreams" I think they have to do missions to get chapters of the story. those who get the last page can vote for the end they prefer (2 or 3, I think) the other countries do not have this event, and the last chapter of the story depends on the Russian players. Normally, we will get the story next week. I am very impatient! I hope we can see the differents last chapters!
: That new long cape makes the current one looks like a diaper. Pretty good {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
personally I prefer the current cape. The design is much cooler and original do not change anything riot!{{sticker:poppy-wink}}
PavLoo (NA)
: Hey, I'm not in the topic. Who is Beatrice?
: There have been unofficial stories published on the russian server but just be patient as we still need Riot to make this official for all regions. I think that the whole translation of the stories will be published in a week. I will post them then. Anyway Rioters said that they still need time to decide what to do.
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LhOBdpQT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-03T18:29:38.423+0000) > > There have been unofficial stories published on the russian server but just be patient as we still need Riot to make this official for all regions. I think that the whole translation of the stories will be published in a week. I will post them then. Anyway Rioters said that they still need time to decide what to do. ok thx a lot!
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: Im curious what the difference is meant to be between the Death Realm (that Sahn visited) and the Spirit Realm. The Spirit Realm contains the 'essence' of abstract things like concepts, emotion, the environment/flora, and seemingly the source of magic. While it can create conscience beings of pure energy too, which can also materialize in the physical world. Probably among many other things. While the Death Realm, as far as we know at this time, contains the life-force of the deceased specifically humans and (maybe) the things that aren't inherently magical. But also that life-force isnt infinite and eventually it either evaporates into oblivion or is reincarnated/repurposed. I'm not sure what's going on, or what the writers are setting up, but my initial thought is the Death Realm is a (very depressing) sub-domain in the Spirit Realm. Like how Yordles and Bandle City are an extended branch of the Spirit Realm. Otherwise, the whole ordeal is frustratingly confusing. At least the D&D cosmology is divide among realms with a concise structure; Order/Chaos and Good/Evil. While Runeterra's looks more like Environment/Emotion and Concept/Celestial. Or something like that, dont quote me on it.
> [{quoted}](name=Whyte Lyon,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RamY41dE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-01T02:43:03.670+0000) > > Im curious what the difference is meant to be between the Death Realm (that Sahn visited) and the Spirit Realm. > > The Spirit Realm contains the 'essence' of abstract things like concepts, emotion, the environment/flora, and seemingly the source of magic. While it can create conscience beings of pure energy too, which can also materialize in the physical world. Probably among many other things. > > While the Death Realm, as far as we know at this time, contains the life-force of the deceased specifically humans and (maybe) the things that aren't inherently magical. But also that life-force isnt infinite and eventually it either evaporates into oblivion or is reincarnated/repurposed. > > I'm not sure what's going on, or what the writers are setting up, but my initial thought is the Death Realm is a (very depressing) sub-domain in the Spirit Realm. Like how Yordles and Bandle City are an extended branch of the Spirit Realm. > > Otherwise, the whole ordeal is frustratingly confusing. At least the D&D cosmology is divide among realms with a concise structure; Order/Chaos and Good/Evil. While Runeterra's looks more like Environment/Emotion and Concept/Celestial. Or something like that, dont quote me on it. I think the same : the spirit world is divided into several realms, including bandle and the realm of death. What I like in this new lore is that they explain where the black mist comes from, and the origin of the "ruin": bringing back the queen from the realm of death, a portal has brought the black mist of the realm of dead.
: Morde's New Bio and Where He Fits Into the World
I think he's still in the realm of death. In game that probably means mordekaiser managed to return to the living again. like kayle: we do not know in the lore if she came back from targon, and yet her interactions are as if she had already come back.
: Cassiopeia’s Bio
Was this statue an ascended? maybe cassiopeia is a darkin as the last sentence of his bio suggests
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: He does that, but the chains are not necessary. He has this ability regardless of petricite. It is not the vessel that matters, it is the magic. Whether he takes the magic stolen by the petricite, or directly from the source doesn't matter, he can do it. He uses the chains as an extension of himself. Source -> Petricite -> Sylas Source -> Sylas Both work
> [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=VWJTVEAi,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T17:25:43.274+0000) > > He does that, but the chains are not necessary. He has this ability regardless of petricite. It is not the vessel that matters, it is the magic. > > Whether he takes the magic stolen by the petricite, or directly from the source doesn't matter, he can do it. He uses the chains as an extension of himself. > > Source -> Petricite -> Sylas > Source -> Sylas > > Both work yes, you're right, but these chains are still useful, they allow him to steal the magic a little further
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