> [{quoted}](name=me xayah,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=jiMFJ6zE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-22T01:12:07.006+0000) > > great. i was looking for club to join. put me in! i added you. when you accept i can invite you to club. thanks

yea add me.

invite

Yea bots have been running rampant for about 2 seasons now maybe more

its been this way for over a year, going back to dominion days, even longer than that. "practice a new character without going to a PVP game and ruining things for other real players." Its normals. you aren't ruining anything, in reality that is what normals are for. You are being way too considerate towards people who cant comprehend that you have to play a champ competitively against humans to even really learn the champ. You only get down a few basic mechanics in bots but you aren't really learning the champ as well as you do against other humans.

Yea, that doesn't translate into anything reportable.

im sorry but variks is right, respectively, in his opinion and how it relates to others. I literally use to carry from top and mid now I carry from jungle and adc... I would LOVE to play top and mid but if I'm not playing a roaming mid I'm screwed. My best bet so far has been adc'ing and pulling my team together because guess what... The game is so focused on Jungle objectives and towers... Now lets discuss towers, what role is guaranteed to have siege power? adc. which role is guaranteed to do damage? adc. Yes again, a good roaming mid can apply map pressure, a good top with global access can apply pressure BUT its almost like the only thing top can do is not lose first tower, get herald, or tp gank bot and hopefully get a dragon out of it. The island is literally like exile now. Mid is again, if you can roam you can carry. BUT there is a real emphasis on jungle and adc currently. I like when Variks brought up optional strategy... That is another point. The game should never be at a state where guaranteed wins are based off of items bought (ardent) or champs played. There is a real issue with balance and I do not like a game where I'm forced to pick meta or I'm punished severely when I don't. This is how you know, that the game caters to e-sports. Old league of legends was pick a champ, be good, dont feed and you'll be successful. League now? Is pick this champ and these items or you lose. Camp this lane or you lose. Get first tower, inf dragon, herald, or you lose. Granted these are not circumstances that are unwinnable but there was a time when comebacks were more prevalent and that shows that there is no real diversity in meta versus off-meta... If you pick meta? your margin of winning is higher than a team comp that doesn't have the strongest champs in the patch. The game is not the same, and thats not a good or bad thing.... The game is not the same because it's losing it's identity and it's core values. This game is becoming just that ..... a game... When before you actually put your heart and soul into it. Now? Pick tristana and janna and galio and you'll probably win. I should literally be able to jump on league and play any champ and have a high margin of success. This is no longer the case. And the games ARE harder to carry. We will not correlate KDA with carrying BUT if I go 20-4-16 and the rest of my team is 3/11/9, 13-6-7, 8-11-16, etc... I did my part... I carried in team fights, I carried my lane but if I am holding myself to a higher standard minus the ego, I can potentially carry the entire game.. It IS my team that will hold back by either getting caught out, not focusing objectives, or constantly not grouping. There are signs when a game is lost. There are windows of opportunity and if you don't take those windows, you are punished too heavily by death timers. This game has zero remorse.

its avoidable. just stop showing up. actual stress is stress that keeps you from achieving something.... like tests, projects, football games and band.

Thank you for clarifying without being toxic. +1

This account only has 1.3k upvotes. I'm sure I'll live with -19 on one post on one of my accounts. I'm glad you can at least count, I bet that does you good at McDonald's when you are working register.

> [{quoted}](name=The 1st Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-14T18:32:09.431+0000) > > good to know your not a man of your word. judging by your improper use of your versus you're, its safe to say you wouldn't know anything about words.

> [{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-14T06:49:25.603+0000) > > You're missing the point trying to pull more counters. > Mobility is a problem in excess, which is easy to do thanks to so much cooldown reduction being available; skillshots are useless regardless if they're AOE, when they can just dash/blink out of it as frequently as you can throw them. Fighting mobility with more mobility isn't solving anything, just look at how this damage meta has come about. This entire game has gone from strategy and simulation to arcade mode. It's to appeal to the masses. That is why the damage meta is here. Not simply because of intricacies like high mobility. There is also the issue of new champs being equipped to better inhabit the champion pool of today versus the old ideals of the older champs... which is why reworks are being done as we speak. The entire game is shifting, not just certain parts. Riot has been making more skillshots than point and clicks and more mobility than immobile champs so if fighting mobility with more mobility isnt solving anything, you may need to take that up with Riot because that is what they are offering nowadays.. more kits with gap closers, cc, and skillshots.

> [{quoted}](name=The 1st Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-14T02:33:46.728+0000) > > " This will be my last reply to your toxicity." stick to your word. kid Or I can continue to exercise my right of free will and change my mind and type what I want, on my computer, when I want, on a post that I made?

> [{quoted}](name=Blade of Justic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-10-13T20:50:15.950+0000) > > I'm surprised that, out of all of the point-and-click abilities, the OP didn't say Malzahar's R. > > So I'm fine with that. His would have to be champs only and pass throw minions. similar to leblancs chain

> [{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-13T20:55:44.405+0000) > > Doesn't matter if you can't hit them first. gap closers still exist.

> [{quoted}](name=The 1st Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-13T19:42:30.225+0000) > > okay, that's cool. you won't respond with an actual answer, and your post is -8 in the hole. so bye :) Yea my life isn't influenced by votes on a website, kid.

> [{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-13T16:58:26.964+0000) > > And here's the list of mobile champions that would become untouchable with enough skill. > {{champion:103}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:498}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:154}} {{champion:238}} CC still exists you know.

> [{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-10-13T18:49:18.994+0000) > > I find it funny that game changing abilities such as: > Fiddle Q, Maokai W, Ryze W, Phanteon's W, etc are not even mentioned here. > > But you bitch about Akali or Katarina. Ooooooooooook I mentioned Pantheons W. You read what you wanted to read. No where am I "bitching". And to end this reply, I specifically pointed out how I am mostly speaking on projectiles. I'm convinced most people do not read a post in its entirety nor are they capable of comprehending simple statements. You sir, have proved this here today.

> [{quoted}](name=The 1st Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-10-13T18:47:52.887+0000) > > okay, next thing is that this isn't school, also still hasn't had a valid reason to counter my statement. waiting on the response still. I don't respond to people who have to resort to name calling or insults to get a point across. If this was school, you've shown you are in elementary school. Any response from me isn't dignified. This will be my last reply to your toxicity.

> [{quoted}](name=Catastrop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-10-13T17:02:14.133+0000) > > Cass E being a skillshot would completely destroy her. It would require so many changes to her kit and functionality that it would just be a trainwreck rework. > > Lucian Q is already a skillshot because it can in fact be dodged. > > I would not be opposed to LB's q becoming a skillshot as the damage could finally be buffed. However it should definitely be pass through. > > Kat q being a skillshot sounds interesting tbh, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. > > I don't have much of an opinion on the others. Yea its crazy how much of a difference making some champions point and clicks into skillshots would drastically change their identity to an extent. Lucian Q isn't a skill shot because it requires a target to piggy back off of. So there are circumstances in which he can't even q.. but his w is a true skillshot. his q would literally work the same way except for it would probably need to prioritize champ if in the middle of the minion wave. But that's also equivalent to a point and click miss-click

> [{quoted}](name=The 1st Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-10-13T17:11:18.942+0000) > > your stupid. Akalis Q would take a week to get to her target if it was a skill shot. A person who can't use you're properly is calling me stupid. Tell me more...

> [{quoted}](name=CaptainSeto,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-10-13T17:44:48.100+0000) > > Jhin Q and Gangplank Q are both not solely for hitting the enemy champ. Both abilities are very important to their farming habits, so turning them into skillshots would cause a massive decrease in the effectiveness of these two champs. Jhin's Q makes up for his reload mechanic and allows him to farm several minions at once if he's good, while Gangplank's Q is the only way for him to get the serpents he needs for his Ult upgrades. > > Fiddle's E is a bird. The bird is gonna hit the target no matter what. Not to mention he really can't afford to be nerfed much. > > Malphite Q is his only form of poke, and in some match ups it's the only way he can get farm/trade. > > Veigar R shouldn't be changed to a skillshot considering it's his Execute, as well as the finish to his combo. Missing the ult would literally kill him in most cases, as it's most valuable to him when he's getting chased/has stunned an enemy. > > Overall though, the biggest problem with your suggestions is that it would suddenly make so many character's unable to fight high mobility champs. Point and Clicks are pretty much the only way to land constant damage on someone like Kayn, Riven, or Zed. Not to mention if an ability is a point and click, it tends to be for a good reason. thats why jhin q and gangplank q arent Champion only. but yea same sentiments

> [{quoted}](name=CaptainSeto,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-10-13T17:44:48.100+0000) > > Jhin Q and Gangplank Q are both not solely for hitting the enemy champ. Both abilities are very important to their farming habits, so turning them into skillshots would cause a massive decrease in the effectiveness of these two champs. Jhin's Q makes up for his reload mechanic and allows him to farm several minions at once if he's good, while Gangplank's Q is the only way for him to get the serpents he needs for his Ult upgrades. > > Fiddle's E is a bird. The bird is gonna hit the target no matter what. Not to mention he really can't afford to be nerfed much. > > Malphite Q is his only form of poke, and in some match ups it's the only way he can get farm/trade. > > Veigar R shouldn't be changed to a skillshot considering it's his Execute, as well as the finish to his combo. Missing the ult would literally kill him in most cases, as it's most valuable to him when he's getting chased/has stunned an enemy. > > Overall though, the biggest problem with your suggestions is that it would suddenly make so many character's unable to fight high mobility champs. Point and Clicks are pretty much the only way to land constant damage on someone like Kayn, Riven, or Zed. Not to mention if an ability is a point and click, it tends to be for a good reason. agreed on the high mobility champs part

> People keep saying she does no damage but her ratios are insane -add Morello and she does another 255 + %4 max hp with this _NEAR INSTANT_ combo, and this is without runes or masteries. That's a ton of burst... People play less than 10 games with her and think they have it all figured out. They aren't actually putting time in on the champ. A lot of people play a champ expecting it to do insane damage in every situation. The new Eve is complex and you have to play a lot of games before you can evaluate a scenario in which to use her effectively every game.

I build lich bane on eve

> [{quoted}](name=SamBunzly,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=efMHd78g,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-13T16:48:58.214+0000) > > To offer some rebuttal: > > Veigar's ulti (and most ulti's in general) are not skillshots because they're either executions or buffs. > Janna and Fiddlesticks are literally throwing birds at the target. I doubt that bird is going to miss its target. It'll dive straight for it and follow XD > Akali q is essentially just a mark, she could do that without throwing anything. > > Most point and click abilities are like that for the laning phase. Minions blocking most skillshots would ruin the potential for most champs. "Of course, if most of these abilities were skillshots, it would completely change the use of the ability itself and its effectiveness and of course, its hit-rate."

uhm... for someone who is in 3 ap classes, you sure dont understand the construct of stress-related activities. everything can be a stressor or stress-inducing.

> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pdAlhKFH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-12T00:42:18.690+0000) > > Let me put it this way.. > > Its free. > > You can choose to *Not* use it. > > Comparing these to essential things is fucking stupid > > You're being fairly unreasonable about this (Almost entitled) > > And if you dont want it, Well then *Just dont fucking use it* > > Just like if you dont like the Air quality, Dont fucking breath :^) > > Simple Solutions for simple non-problems. Water is free. I see why people complain about the quality. Get some depth before you comment. No seriously, walk out into the ocean and get some depth :^)

> [{quoted}](name=The MechE,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pdAlhKFH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-10-12T00:59:30.911+0000) > > The honor wards look so cool though. Shame I'm not honor 5, but oh well. i prefer honor 0

> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pdAlhKFH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-11T23:34:17.041+0000) > > ... > > I never understood why people complain about *Free* shit. > > Like i understand arguing about Emotes in general being 450 RP > > But complaining about *Free* Stuff is kinda like putting water in your socks > > Its fucking pointless. Air is free. So I shouldn't complain about the quality of the air if it is poor and offers nothing substantial??????? Get some perspective before commenting.

> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pdAlhKFH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-11T23:34:17.041+0000) > > ... > > I never understood why people complain about *Free* shit. > > Like i understand arguing about Emotes in general being 450 RP > > But complaining about *Free* Stuff is kinda like putting water in your socks > > Its fucking pointless. complain? I have no use for either things. They mean nothing to me. Free "shit" is still shit. Free healthcare doesnt mean you will actually be able to get the treatment you need. So I can see exactly why someone would complain. You would probably accept free junk food if they gave it to you. Zero nutritional value... As is an honor ward that is gone in 3 auto attacks and an emote that will most likely BE muted or used as BM increasing passive aggressive toxicity. Neither of these things improved the OVERALL HEALTH of the state of league.. That is the "complaint"

I'll enjoy my victorious ward skin and victorious graves skin. You can keep your honor ward skin; trust me. After 3 auto attacks, everyone will forget you even had it to begin with. But that victorious skin will live on well through 3 auto attacks. It will lead me to victory on the rift.

enjoy that silver border.

Money was literally created to be spent. You want me to enjoy using something for its intended purpose? uhm.. Sure.

I've been here long enough and have too many accounts. Doubt I'm leaving because I didn't get a ward skin on one account. Let's make sense here, buddy. Your request is almost as unreasonable as a person who is honor frozen for the rest of the season.

Thats also something else I brung up.. If the system is working correctly and someone is honor level 0 for 4 months.... lets assume that these people WERE punished repeatedly. The current punishing system escalates each time a person is punished, and they are punished even harder if the reports are close together. How can someone who is constantly being toxic, go 4 months at level 0 without being damn near permabanned. This is just a hunch, but I do believe there are rare cases where like you said people are being mildly toxic and aren't triggering punishments but are still getting reported. Even so, honor level 0 seems like a really hard freeze on someones account. Next season will be a better experience because Riot can gather fresh data from giving accounts fresh starts at honor level 2 i assume. In a perfect world, I believe a person should be able to get back to honor level 3 and up before a season is over. Humans make mistakes and although it may seem like everyone who gets reported or is toxic is always that way, thats just not true. There are a lot of cases where some punishments just seem excessive and Riot is rarely looking at those cases and reverting punishment. Yea, the punishment and honor system is effective but you said that I'm getting treated like everyone else. Why is a 10 game chat ban deserving of the same punishment as someone who gets a 14 day game suspension. This still isnt being talked about.

If that was the case, then Riot wouldnt have needed to create this system in the first place. It only shows that Riot is still failing to find a reasonable punishment system.