iLLp (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Óengus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eGBdb8jr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-26T22:57:27.294+0000) >snip thanks for the info G, atm im currently running solo to make sure i actually want to continue playing and not abandon people. Thank you for the offer though but bless you for giving me all this juicy info
> [{quoted}](name=iLLp,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eGBdb8jr,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-27T00:14:39.832+0000) > > thanks for the info G, atm im currently running solo to make sure i actually want to continue playing and not abandon people. Thank you for the offer though but bless you for giving me all this juicy info The offer is open anytime. I sent you a request in game. It is my pleasure and you can PM anytime with other questions as well. I love this game even with its flaws and it gives me joy to help other people learn and get good at the game. I was able to teach one of my friends about two years ago about how the game worked and he is now Plat 1. I don't play ranked enough to climb but damn he made daddy proud. Have a great night dude and always remember, go into settings and just turn team chat off. There is nothing worse than having an asshole ruin a match just by being a keyboard warrior. Anything that can be typed out can be pinged if it's in relation to the game.
Óengus (NA)
: Start with enchanters (Sona and Soraka) as their positioning is fairly simple. Let the adc take the damage from a trade, heal/shield, repeat. After about 50ish games and learning a little more about the dance of ADCs, then move into engage supports like Rakan (his AOEs are fairly large, good for bad mechanical players). After another 50 games, now its time to learn about trading supports (Janna and Nami). They are used most effectively in small skirmishes bot and offer enough utility and damage to win trades. After another 50 games realize that laning with a random ADC (or support, no flamerino) is worse than gout and just switch to mid or top and actually impact the game. In all honesty though, bot is a shit storm right now (Garen Yuumi, dafuq?). You can play any character that has some form of cc as a support and come out doing more damage than the ADC until two items because when they removed Mr per level from ranged carries, they pretty much set in stone that supports are the carry during lane phase. (RITO PLEASE, allow us to only pick one tree from masteries and let us set up old rune pages. Please and THANK YOU.) Not to mention support income is nutty with spellthief and coin. Not sure the last time you played but supports are the ward bots they were in Season 3 and earlier. Your best bet is to find two supports you enjoy playing and stick with them. Doesn't matter who they are but some key things to remember are that hook champs and engage supports like Alistar will always be relevant regardless of nerfs. There are very few supports that are trash tier so odds are no matter who you main you will have some agency over the lane. After you feel comfortable with them and their spell rotations then it's time to learn the ADCs. You cannot expect to be a decent support and not know how your lane partner is going to play out the lane. Got a Vayne? Time to play bitch and hope they are decent at CSing while keeping them safe, pick carry support like Zyra or Pyke and win the lane for yourself, or if the Vayne is soft inting by missing 2/3 CS per wave then pick a decent roaming champ and help the Jungler maintain priority of bot river. Sometimes you have to risk it for the biscuit and carry your ADC, other times you gotta cut your losses and try to win the game somewhere else on the Map. Got someone like Draven or Lucian who can trade early? Then you have to devote your attention to either backing them up if they decide to trade/all-in or be the one to engage the fight for them. Early game ADCs are some of the most volatile laners to support, due to their early damage they have a tendency to pull Jungle and Mid pressure so warding is just as important as ensuring that your partner comes ahead in a trade. Whats the point of blowing ignite, spell cooldowns, and flash for one kill if their jungler comes down and gets a free double with their high base damage? Comms and a duo are always recommended for bot lane, however it is easier to play support than ADC as a solo player. You have the tools to affect not just bot lane even as early as 5 minutes. As an ADC main, nothing is more frustrating than trying to communicate that I want to trade or go for all in when the oppurtunity to do so is seconds and I don't have time to tripled ping the enemy. Which reminds me, if you do pick an engage support, I'm gonna expect you to actually engage at proper timing windows. PING THAT SHIT FIRST! That does not mean pick Leona and go in every time your e is off cooldown. This is where the dance of the ADCs comes into play. If their enemy is playing a cooldown reliant ADC like Kaisai or Lucian, wait for them to either use CD for farm or set up lane priority before trading or going for an all in. If you see them going for a minion, as a support and ADC, when the opponent goes for CS they are locked in that animation until it completes, for the love of God auto them. Make them choose either the CS or trading back making them lose CS. There is so much more and so many tiny intricacies that go into playing a duo lane in order for both parties to come out in the positive. Things like helping CS under tower, helping shove a lane when ADC low on mana for a back, proper ward timings so you dont waste your trinket, when and where to ward lane to set up TP or dive, and last but not least, what the correct build for the current state of the game is. Example: Rakan can go tank or utility, choosing the correct items to build will be what determines whether or not you come out alive or free gold for the enemy when a mid game skirmish breaks out. Thats all I can write for now, I need to get some chores done around the house to prepare for our Halloween party. If you would like to learn more or just want a new friend to play with, you are more than welcome to add me. Once I get to know you a little better and determine the toxicity level (everyone is a little toxic in their own way), I'll invite you to my discord channel and we can lab it up in some custom games. Have a great night and don't take the game too seriously. I honestly have more fun now than I did my first 6 years playing because I have learned how to detach my emotions from losing which is also another great tip. If you had fun, was it really a loss?
> [{quoted}](name=Óengus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eGBdb8jr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-26T22:57:27.294+0000) > Not sure the last time you played but supports are the ward bots they were in Season 3 and earlier. > Apologies, I meant to say they are not the ward bots they once were. It gives me joy to see people that want to branch to other roles instead of just playing the same old thing over and over and no longer enjoying the game. Supporting is not as simple as it may seem. I started my League journey as a mid main, but I didn't know much about the game my first year. On top of that I mained Cassiopeia during my first year, who used to be the most mechanical champion in the game. After a while of win, lose, lose, lose I decided that I wanted to sit back and learn the game at a slower pace. I picked up old Soraka and Morgana as my mains for the next year, maybe two (I can't remember, I was working two jobs and going to college). This was before coin, before targons, I'm talking just buying wards and potions upon spawn. I enjoyed playing support, it felt good knowing that I helped my lane partner secure us the win. The more I played support and branched my champion pool, I began to look at what kind of player I was and what I enjoyed out of the game. I wrote down a list of what I thought my pros and cons were. Too aggressive, mana conservation needs work, these were some of my cons, but one thing I was good at was landing skill shots along with punishing other players mistakes. It was so satisfying knowing that I was influencing the lane into a CS or kill advantage for my ADC. I consider myself fairly mechanical. I am not Faker or even Diamond level when it comes to my reaction speeds and ability to predict how another player will respond to my actions. I just know when to look for trades and poke and after many many games I learned how to read most ADC and support animations for spells/attacks so I could look for those auto trades in lane when they would go for CS. Season 4 comes and I met my now best friend in the world. He was also a support main and we would play 1v1s for hours learning damage outputs. When we played together we would take turns playing support for our matches. I decided that I wanted to just try out ADC to see if I could make my supporting skills more efficient and put myself in my carries shoes for laning. I didn't play carry supports like Zyra and the gold restrictions made it hard for champs like Morgana to transisition into a carry role, I wanted to know what it felt like to be the crit stacking ticking time bomb. Plus I wanted to see how my friend supported and what I could learn from him without having to worry about my own lane. I didn't mind that we were two support mains and we took turns with our role, I was just enjoying playing with my friend. I didn't plan on making ADC my main role, it was just something we could do when we would duo together. We set up bot games and I taught myself ADC. I practiced CSing for countless hours in bot/custom games and for some reason it just clicked for me. This was the role I was meant to play. Don't get me wrong, over the years I have seen the most changes within my role and at times would get frustrated but nothing feels better to me than to be the guy that gets that 1k crit on a carry and watch the enemy team crumble beneath my feet. It's not about carrying, it's about proving to myself that I could play the hardest role in the game (subjective) and find success. I can play all styles of ADC from on-hit late game hyper carry Kog to early game bullies like Draven and Caitlyn. Starting out with Cassiopeia (not recommended BTW), learning support and how bot lane works together set me up for learning ADC in a way that felt natural and finding success with it. I became obsessed with improving. I would watch hours of youtube videos on orbwalking, auto cancelling, flash spell animations, and various other mechanical skills. I never lost my love for support and I always choose support as my secondary when queuing. A lot of people won't even give support a try. Carry or feed they say. What they don't realize is that after the many changes of Summoners Rift and League, support is the second highest influencing role in the game with Jungle being the highest. I have mad respect for anyone that wants to put in that work for a role that is so under appreciated and doesn't come with the accolades of playing a damage carry. I can respect it because I've done it.
iLLp (NA)
: where the ADC mains at on here?
Start with enchanters (Sona and Soraka) as their positioning is fairly simple. Let the adc take the damage from a trade, heal/shield, repeat. After about 50ish games and learning a little more about the dance of ADCs, then move into engage supports like Rakan (his AOEs are fairly large, good for bad mechanical players). After another 50 games, now its time to learn about trading supports (Janna and Nami). They are used most effectively in small skirmishes bot and offer enough utility and damage to win trades. After another 50 games realize that laning with a random ADC (or support, no flamerino) is worse than gout and just switch to mid or top and actually impact the game. In all honesty though, bot is a shit storm right now (Garen Yuumi, dafuq?). You can play any character that has some form of cc as a support and come out doing more damage than the ADC until two items because when they removed Mr per level from ranged carries, they pretty much set in stone that supports are the carry during lane phase. (RITO PLEASE, allow us to only pick one tree from masteries and let us set up old rune pages. Please and THANK YOU.) Not to mention support income is nutty with spellthief and coin. Not sure the last time you played but supports are the ward bots they were in Season 3 and earlier. Your best bet is to find two supports you enjoy playing and stick with them. Doesn't matter who they are but some key things to remember are that hook champs and engage supports like Alistar will always be relevant regardless of nerfs. There are very few supports that are trash tier so odds are no matter who you main you will have some agency over the lane. After you feel comfortable with them and their spell rotations then it's time to learn the ADCs. You cannot expect to be a decent support and not know how your lane partner is going to play out the lane. Got a Vayne? Time to play bitch and hope they are decent at CSing while keeping them safe, pick carry support like Zyra or Pyke and win the lane for yourself, or if the Vayne is soft inting by missing 2/3 CS per wave then pick a decent roaming champ and help the Jungler maintain priority of bot river. Sometimes you have to risk it for the biscuit and carry your ADC, other times you gotta cut your losses and try to win the game somewhere else on the Map. Got someone like Draven or Lucian who can trade early? Then you have to devote your attention to either backing them up if they decide to trade/all-in or be the one to engage the fight for them. Early game ADCs are some of the most volatile laners to support, due to their early damage they have a tendency to pull Jungle and Mid pressure so warding is just as important as ensuring that your partner comes ahead in a trade. Whats the point of blowing ignite, spell cooldowns, and flash for one kill if their jungler comes down and gets a free double with their high base damage? Comms and a duo are always recommended for bot lane, however it is easier to play support than ADC as a solo player. You have the tools to affect not just bot lane even as early as 5 minutes. As an ADC main, nothing is more frustrating than trying to communicate that I want to trade or go for all in when the oppurtunity to do so is seconds and I don't have time to tripled ping the enemy. Which reminds me, if you do pick an engage support, I'm gonna expect you to actually engage at proper timing windows. PING THAT SHIT FIRST! That does not mean pick Leona and go in every time your e is off cooldown. This is where the dance of the ADCs comes into play. If their enemy is playing a cooldown reliant ADC like Kaisai or Lucian, wait for them to either use CD for farm or set up lane priority before trading or going for an all in. If you see them going for a minion, as a support and ADC, when the opponent goes for CS they are locked in that animation until it completes, for the love of God auto them. Make them choose either the CS or trading back making them lose CS. There is so much more and so many tiny intricacies that go into playing a duo lane in order for both parties to come out in the positive. Things like helping CS under tower, helping shove a lane when ADC low on mana for a back, proper ward timings so you dont waste your trinket, when and where to ward lane to set up TP or dive, and last but not least, what the correct build for the current state of the game is. Example: Rakan can go tank or utility, choosing the correct items to build will be what determines whether or not you come out alive or free gold for the enemy when a mid game skirmish breaks out. Thats all I can write for now, I need to get some chores done around the house to prepare for our Halloween party. If you would like to learn more or just want a new friend to play with, you are more than welcome to add me. Once I get to know you a little better and determine the toxicity level (everyone is a little toxic in their own way), I'll invite you to my discord channel and we can lab it up in some custom games. Have a great night and don't take the game too seriously. I honestly have more fun now than I did my first 6 years playing because I have learned how to detach my emotions from losing which is also another great tip. If you had fun, was it really a loss?
: Legendaries that don't deserve to be legengdaries
FF Trist is worth it IMO. However the two Corki skins, Mag. TF, and Annie in Wonderland should have been excluded from the free anniversary skins. Gentleman Cho Gath, Demon Tryn, and Corporate Mundo also aren't worth it, but those champs are being looked at for a visual update in the future making those skins a little more tolerable. I know that Corki is also included in the list for a visual update but there really isn't much they could add other than a fresh coat of paint from a design point. He is literally just a dude in a toboggan. What are they gonna do, add a small window in the corner of the UI that plays Cool Runnings on repeat each time the skin is selected? Poggers
: VoD Viewer Mission Troubleshooting
Almost a year later and same issue. Hmmmm
: Pool party Draven invisible spinning axe
Known Draven bug, happens with Santa too. Stop being a cuck and get Gladiator or Soul Reaver. JKJK I'm lonely, feed me pickles.
: > [{quoted}](name=Óengus,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=g4w01HoG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-26T20:26:45.431+0000) > > That's odd. I'll give it a shot and see if same happens to me. Let me know what you find, so far the list of champs I can;t seem to pick are: Qiyana, Yuumi, Sylas, Neeko, Rakan, Kaisa, Kayn, Illaoi, Kindred and Tahm Kench. Everyone else seems to be okay though.
Wasted 20 minutes on a bot game, but you are right. Certain champs just straight up aren't in champ select.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 25
Thanks for the update. Faster jungle spawns sound like an excellent idea. For example, your team locks in Vayne because their team picked two tanks, you get counter picked by Draven Thresh. Before first back, laning is somewhat manageable and you survived without dieing. Upon arrival to lane you are forced off of 2/3 cs unless you want to risk an all in because he has BF or sit under tower and pray mid/top and the jungler don't dive you. You play the lane correctly as Vayne but surviving just isn't enough. With how fast games can snowball with turret plate income and mage/assassin burst damage, you are just a snack waiting to be eaten. You have no option to supplement income that you are being forced off of. ADCs do not have MR scaling so having someone like Sylas or Fizz dive you is free. You have to do something to get your feet into this game, but no options are available.Try to take jungle camp for a little extra gold? You now have a Yi either flaming you, going afk, feeding the enemy Draven, or all three. Supports have gold gen, they get behind, they can just soak xp while trickling gold, and yet ADCs do not have an option to play passive in hopes of scaling. Having a quicker respawn time opens a window where the Jungler can be top lane, you run back to grab gromp, go back to being a drowned fish in lane and hopefully hit correct item power spike timings for drag with the 3 minions you get per wave. This has been my TED Talk, I'm taking poor boy donations for those with heavy pockets.
: Intermediate bots does not allow some champions to be played
That's odd. I'll give it a shot and see if same happens to me.

Óengus

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