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krute (EUW)
: > Old dev team - caitlyn has an oppressive lane phase and also scales incredibly well into late with high range and mobility, so her weakness should be mid game and overall low dps. New Dev team - lets make every caitlyn ability do extremely high amounts of damage , higher ad ratios than assassins on her passive , Q, W, E, AND R!!! (objective fact, she has higher ad ratios on all her abilities than assassins) What the fuck is this shit??? A caitlyn will rarely use abilities in an actual fight except for her E, since it gives her range advantage and a headshot. But using Q and/or W midfight is a complete loss of DPS, so her ability scalings are completely irrelevant. Her Q is also so telegraphed, that if you get hit, you deserve to lose a chunk of health from it. If you can't mechanically move out of a trap as it is arming, you deserve to lose that fight. Her ratios are high because she doesn't build damage. Your core build is Shiv-IE-RFC. Pls tell me how her massive ratios makes her OP, when cailtyn primarily build crit. Caitlyns midgame is still trash and if she deosn't win lane with at least a 30 CS advantage, she is going to be a nonfactor, until she gets her RFC.
I have to ask, when a Caitlyn prefers to build {{item:3031}}{{item:3087}} over anything else with her AD ratios (that are higher than most Assassins' ratios, I agree) don't you think there's a problem when most of what makes an Assassin an Assassin, is their ability to 100-0 people through their damage, acquired from their bases/ratios?
: This is an Aprill fools joke right? But tbh I feel like if you do it right it may not be that bad, you have poke and cc. The only thing is you may steal a lot of cs by accident with your passive, but if you can get past that problem I can see it working.
Um sure! Yeah it is! {{champion:103}} {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
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: Why I got furious when NB said "I hate Lol, the company, and the community."
I heavily disagree on Riot listening to the community, and I also heavily disagree on NB3 saying the community in and of itself is bad. This whole issue with ADC being busted as hell and every single game having a fiesta down Bot gets really frustrating, real quick - and despite all the complaints about that (and damage creep) none of them go resolved. Every company has flaws, and NB3 is entitled to his opinion - and you to yours - but I disagree with both statements: that Riot listens, and that the community is bad.
: Somewhat valid reason, but like the devs said " don't listen to chat "
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: *y*O*u* *s*H*o*U*l*D*n*'T l*E*a*V*e
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saltran (EUW)
: No, please god don't make ff at 10 a thing, majority of the playerbase is below Plat and in those elos literally every game can be thrown because the enemy team is as bad as yours. But adding ff at 10 will just make ppl even more tilted and spamming it since 10 min and a lot of them going afk if your team doesn't surrender.
VvVVvV (NA)
: I believe he is confused. You are referring to the Riot team while he was talking about his team in game.
Far from it. I was just talking to him, and not everyone including him. There is no DM option. My O.P is just an observation; There's very little you can argue because it's just what I've seen for myself. It can be wrong and, hell, probably is... but! 'tis just an observation anyway.
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Escheton (EUW)
: Before Runes Reforged {{item:3401}} {{item:3022}} was my core on {{champion:14}} support. Did real well with it. But things changed, I moved to other things. I think Titanic Hydra could work on Sion support now, if you like the playstyle it provides and know what you are doing. (which might take a few games to get used to it) (saw you removed your other thread before I could post, so posting it here to show up in your "inbox")
Thank you. I'll try it!
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: There is a decent amount of people who can take dragons at level 4, he wouldn't be alone at this. Though I do hate WW but not gonna justify people wanting him nerfed for something that a lot of other champions can do as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Dark Nephthys,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rksroOKp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-20T04:01:25.991+0000) > > There is a decent amount of people who can take dragons at level 4, he wouldn't be alone at this. Though I do hate WW but not gonna justify people wanting him nerfed for something that a lot of other champions can do as well. I said "before", and similarly Warwick's just an example - the idea of taking a dragon before Lv6 is something he was nerfed because of before, and yet it's now perfectly-fine for no real reason at all.
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: If the entire enemy team is waiting in a bush after minions have arrived, they just lost more CS than the kill is worth.
> [{quoted}](name=tv ƒ needHymn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fTqvOWoQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-18T00:48:37.174+0000) > > If the entire enemy team is waiting in a bush after minions have arrived, they just lost more CS than the kill is worth. That's... actually... nice to know.
Kythers (NA)
: What exactly do you mean by this?
> [{quoted}](name=Kythers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fTqvOWoQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-18T00:16:32.513+0000) > > What exactly do you mean by this? The entire team waiting in the bush south of the red, north of the krugs. There seems to be a lot of counterplay to sudden, instant death. Don't say "ward it" because most CC has a longer range than the warding trinket.
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: I'm sure this psa helped many people
> [{quoted}](name=ShaolinToilet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mPVGRkOh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-17T21:40:09.868+0000) > > I'm sure this psa helped many people I'm dying. no, but really, the fact she decided warding the two bushes right is more important than the fact I have no wards for incoming mid/jungler ganks... is... tilting.
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: TBF it sounds you should be focusing in another game if you don't want to learn and use one of the game's core mechanics.
> [{quoted}](name=Postal Badger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K97AxI0Q,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-16T19:46:01.672+0000) > > TBF it sounds you should be focusing in another game if you don't want to learn and use one of the game's core mechanics. Good game design decrees that everyone should have a playstyle that fits them - including the people like me who don't like to CS much. Thankfully, there is a playstyle (or three: jungle, support and waveclear-mage) for it.
: I'd personally recommend mid lane, and either go with a heavy roaming assassin or a mage capable of massive wave clear. For roaming you have champs like Talon, Katarina, or Zed who can jump walls and get places real quick with their large burst damage. CSing will still be important, but less so as you can focus on giving your bot and top laners an easier lane, and their own focus on CS can carry things forward. I would recommending learning how to freeze a wave at the very least, so you can force your lane opponent to move away from their tower and give you a better chance to kill them. You don't want to roam with your opponent alive after all. For wave clear you have champions like Anivia, Xerath, and Azir who don't have to sit there and last hit, they can just force the entire wave down and either siege a tower to open things up, or roam around themselves, though they often have less kill potential than an assassin. Keep in mind I'm a top lane main, and most of my knowledge about mid lane is from interacting with it as a top laner, rather than playing it myself. Specific champions that are good change with each patch, but the basic strategy ideas here are what you should look at.
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K97AxI0Q,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-03-16T19:48:29.080+0000) > > I'd personally recommend mid lane, and either go with a heavy roaming assassin or a mage capable of massive wave clear. > > For roaming you have champs like Talon, Katarina, or Zed who can jump walls and get places real quick with their large burst damage. CSing will still be important, but less so as you can focus on giving your bot and top laners an easier lane, and their own focus on CS can carry things forward. I would recommending learning how to freeze a wave at the very least, so you can force your lane opponent to move away from their tower and give you a better chance to kill them. You don't want to roam with your opponent alive after all. > > For wave clear you have champions like Anivia, Xerath, and Azir who don't have to sit there and last hit, they can just force the entire wave down and either siege a tower to open things up, or roam around themselves, though they often have less kill potential than an assassin. > > Keep in mind I'm a top lane main, and most of my knowledge about mid lane is from interacting with it as a top laner, rather than playing it myself. Specific champions that are good change with each patch, but the basic strategy ideas here are what you should look at. I'm familiar with the concepts of clearing, besieging, freezing, rotating, etc. etc. but I just don't like to individually CS the minions. Thankfully, suggestions on who to play were posted - and they're extremely helpful.
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: And guess why people want more diversity in bot but are enraged when someone goes singed with smite as support. Because current state of the game doesn't allow for this to work and be efficient. Imagine a champion that got nerfed to the point he has 1 base ad and his abilities deal 1 DMG as well. No matter how much you try you won't make it work because the game itself has its DMG too low. Same for singed supports. ADC needs support not some trollish tactic.
> [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2WX1tKd9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-15T22:23:57.841+0000) > > And guess why people want more diversity in bot but are enraged when someone goes singed with smite as support. Because current state of the game doesn't allow for this to work and be efficient. Imagine a champion that got nerfed to the point he has 1 base ad and his abilities deal 1 DMG as well. No matter how much you try you won't make it work because the game itself has its DMG too low. Same for singed supports. ADC needs support not some trollish tactic. but then tell me how MF Support was found out? Experimentation in the same vain. Quinn ADC? Experimentation. Kayle Mid? Same! Edit: I didn't downvote you, no clue why you got downvoted. I may disagree, but you're not an ass about it so there's no reason to downvote you.
Slythion (NA)
: the boards are not one mind I understand that people here circlejerk eachother a lot, but you seem to miss *why* for a lot of these topics. For example: The Singed Smite "support" was banned not because it was an oddball pick but because he didn't actually support, he was just a second jungler. If you weren't referring to that specific event and more about oddball picks in general, of course people are going to be upset about less-efficient picks. You seem to miss the why in the fact that just because people are tired of seeing adcs every game doesn't mean they still arent the most efficient. You don't change your picks and then change the power. You change the power of adcs and that in turn makes the picks optimal to change. This isn't a case of hypocrisy or the boards contradicting themselves. I don't think anyone has ever complained about Zed or Talon not being able to burst someone. Ive seen complaints about them being chained to duskblade, and I've seen complaints about some of the delay in cases of LB or pre-revert Rengo however, but not from a power level and more of a game-health level, aka how it feels. As for the burst-per-second for ADCs, that's not contradictory to the last point. The complaint is that assassins don't feel fun to play and that adcs perform their role from a range, there's no contradiction there.
> [{quoted}](name=Slythion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2WX1tKd9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-15T21:51:50.884+0000) > > the boards are not one mind > > I understand that people here circlejerk eachother a lot, but you seem to miss *why* for a lot of these topics. For example: > > > The Singed Smite "support" was banned not because it was an oddball pick but because he didn't actually support, he was just a second jungler. If you weren't referring to that specific event and more about oddball picks in general, of course people are going to be upset about less-efficient picks. You seem to miss the why in the fact that just because people are tired of seeing adcs every game doesn't mean they still arent the most efficient. > > You don't change your picks and then change the power. You change the power of adcs and that in turn makes the picks optimal to change. This isn't a case of hypocrisy or the boards contradicting themselves. > > I don't think anyone has ever complained about Zed or Talon not being able to burst someone. Ive seen complaints about them being chained to duskblade, and I've seen complaints about some of the delay in cases of LB or pre-revert Rengo however, but not from a power level and more of a game-health level, aka how it feels. As for the burst-per-second for ADCs, that's not contradictory to the last point. The complaint is that assassins don't feel fun to play and that adcs perform their role from a range, there's no contradiction there. I need to clarify. Er, thank you for replying in a reasonable/constructive manner instead of "Bruh F### U." The thing is, though, you can't be sure that oddball picks are inefficient, especially relative to the person whose playing them. In the hands of someone who mains Shaco, for example, Leona may be a better Support due to her CC - but the dude doesn't play Leona, doesn't find her fun, and if he did play her he'd have no clue how she works or the intricacies of her kit, i.e AA resetting with her Q. Some people are also innately drawn to and/or skilled at champions because of their playstyle. The hypocrisy I've seen wasn't that people were against odd picks, it's that they were against odd picks while wanting variety (in general; ADC was just an example) in the game. I've seen a lot of complaints about Zed or Talon OHKing people, mainly due to Duskblade, yeah, but that isn't quite what I was getting at. I was more trying to say people say that "Because Zed and/or Talon OHK people, it's O.K if ADCs do it too!" **_AND_** "Because ADCs OHK people better, it's O.K if Zed and/or Talon do it too!" As I said, I really don't think instant death is healthy for the game... but... that's another discussion.
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: Eh. Probably the easiest way for it to get seen is just to upvote it. It won't have to get very high for him to see it, I reckon.
I just hope he does see it. He, genuinely, gives me hope in League~!
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Konotori (NA)
: "Oh, you're in promos?"
Oh my b, I thought it was on me that I got an Amumu who sat in an unwarded bush, told me to go in and idly spammed the /taunt while Lucian nuked me for first-blood, proceeded to call everyone bad and then AFKfarm the jungle.
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: If the enemy jungle considers you a threat, you freed other lanes since he's camping you. At that point, your top lane should be winning. Your midlane should be winning. Come teamfights, that means xayah can get shut down by your teammates. The fact that, that didn't happen means the enemy jungler made the right decision. Your teammates weren't as good as the enemy midlane and toplane. They couldn't win w/o jungle help leaving you free to die... btw, when someone's a few levels ahead and has some of your towers down, it's a good idea to group and take them down. When enemies have the advantage they group less, meaning good teamwork could've taken down that xayah.
Yeah I'm aware, but I'm just making it known that I'm now at least partially aware of why the LCS/Challenger/Master/Diamond/Platinum-tier plays as it does. I saw signs of, say, the Lv1 cheese, the helplessless, the incredible tediousness of waiting for your towers to explode in Bronze, but it was never this bad. Plus, as Jbels said, very rarely do Top/Mid dictate the outcome as much and well as Jungle/Bot. Top usually houses a tank or bruiser or Fiora, more or less useful no matter how hard they feed. Mid usually houses an assassin or a mage of some kind, both of which fall off around midgame unless they get really ahead and, usually, I see even full-build mages and assassins peeling for the ADC. But Bot? It houses a hypercarry capable of chunking your entire team's health with a right-click. It also possibly houses another mage or tank. Again, you're free to disagree - it's just what I've observed. {{champion:238}}{{champion:61}} alike killing people that attack their ADC, {{champion:8}}{{champion:41}}{{champion:75}}{{champion:114}}{{champion:86}}{{champion:150}} Top building what they build, and the {{champion:67}} player 1v5'ing and getting a Penta at the end of the game.
Elohaven (NA)
: Video of the Xayah+Rakan issue?
: what do u want more ??? He explained a case where just dying once mean game over. On bot lane its not true. And here its more related to players mistakes/levels than riot. Riot don't need to babysit player everytime.
It actually did mean game-over. They knew how to abuse their advantage, their jungler also had more global presence than ours so they could babysit just to be *sure* their ADC was keeping their lead. I knew, the entire time, it was a loss no matter what I did. It's my insight on it, so it may be wrong, but note - I did lose like I thought I would, and in the exact same way.
: >Literally, the moment Lucian (this is Plat-ish elo) died at Lv1 because wards are a way-too-limited resource that can't be on every part of the map in every bush at once hum... mistake on u and him. Lucian is already a bad pick, and he get cheesed. Ofc he would fall behind. That said, if he couldn't come back its more related to his own (plat isn't a good elo, just saying), u playing WW supp didn't helped. >They do - if you get FB on an enemy at Lv1, you're almost always gonna' remain ahead of them unless you do something stupid as hell. u shouldn't die lv1, unless u f*ck up to begin. They're cheese was basic af. >ell. If you're the ADC and you don't do anything dumb, "you're winner" with all of the meaningless irony that implies. Thanks god !!!! the one doing dumber things should lose... Sadly it was u and ur mate.
Point-by-point, I'll address you. > [{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ELNo5pzz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-26T18:42:45.203+0000) > > hum... mistake on u and him. Lucian is already a bad pick, and he get cheesed. Ofc he would fall behind. That said, if he couldn't come back its more related to his own (plat isn't a good elo, just saying), u playing WW supp didn't helped. Why should I need to play optimal, meta picks to win and/or have fun? > u shouldn't die lv1, unless u f*ck up to begin. They're cheese was basic af. As I said, wards are limited - the only way that gank would've possibly been avoided in our own jungle is if we could have more than four wards down total for our lane (two control wards, two trinket wards) and there's no real strategy in abusing the fact someone has no tools when they have no way to even *get* those tools in the first place, in this case... wards. Literally, I'd quit buying HP pots if I could just buy wards with the 150. > Thanks god !!!! the one doing dumber things should lose... Sadly it was u and ur mate. I would agree with that, but our definitions of "dumber" may vary. My idea of 'dumb' is "lets contest baron when we have a dead jungler and theirs is perfectly-okay!" Yours seems to be "give FB up!" Riot agrees with your definition, apparently, but then what's the point in having the match go on for ten more minutes?
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