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: Still isn't acceptable. The game isn't a chatroom, and everything you say will be taken out of content. Regardless of your intent. If you want to trash talk, leave it to other clients such as Discord, Teamspeak, Vent, ect. You have to take in the consideration not everyone here enjoys trash talking, nor find it enjoyable to see. Best not to say anything that isn't part of the Summoner's Code. Which says "Play to enjoy the game, but not at the expense of others"
You could say that about anything, though; Anything anyone ever does or says can be taken out-of-context and come at the "cost" to the enjoyment of other people. That's why a balance should probably exist: things like insults are meant to, well, be insulting and taken in a negative manner, while trash-talk is usually just neutral or related to the gameplay ("You play Bronze, m8! Wards, not score.") and not the person.
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: I said this above but here you go. Lying isn't gonna make the system better. When I got lvl31 I got 1 champ shard it dissenchanted to like 2000be. Lvl32 I got 4 champion shards. Together they disenchanted to like 1400. I'll say again, ur full of crap.
I'll be glad to prove one thing to you: I mean what I say... at least if I could, somehow, but I can't show you my BE gains and losses, now, can I. I got enough to buy GP through 3 levels, just barely -- and it's because of excess BE I had. I could be unlucky.
: .: DO NOT BUY/SPEND RP :.
I got 1.8k BE, enough to buy {{champion:41}} through 3 loot chests, over 3 levels, over 66 games, over around 7 WotD bonuses. One big problem: I had 900 BE left-over from spam-buying all the champions when this new system was introduced and all 'veteran' players got BE orbs. Note: I'm Lv33; It hasn't updated my boards profile's level for some reason. Just add me if you don't believe it.
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gumbas100 (EUW)
: Yeah they should totally buff towers. Tower should be those scary ass buildings that you should be afraid of and actually need to take opportunities and group up to destroy. Right now they're just those stuff you take down every once in a while.
People call them "poppable loot chests" for a reason.
: ***
Reread it, again. I said LoL is mimicking HotS and losing it's main purpose. You're the one who chooses to see that as "Oh LoL's dying!" Maybe because you're afraid I may have a point (in which case, maybe talk to Riot and tell them we love LoL for what it is and not because it's a cheap HotS knock-off) or for some other reason. Compare the title to the context to the entire issue with making games last 15 minutes. By the way, neither of us actually know if LoL is more popular or not -- Riot doesn't give us numbers, sans for misleading ones in the front page in the same way DotA2 does. We can pretend we do, and we can provide anecdotal and subjective "evidence" but... I doubt either of us will be asking why we're wrong and not why we're right.
: ***
Reread it, please. If you think I'm saying it will die, you're missing the point. I'm saying that League does what League does; It shouldn't try to do what HotS does because it's afraid HotS' stealing it's playerbase, because HotS is already better than League at it. When they lose their centeral fanbase, they will just end up dying out with nothing they can do about it; It happened to WWE when it kept doing things that pissed people off. (I'll ignore your "8 years strong" thing; in S1-S2 no-one knew of it, and S5-6 were it's assumed peak until they stopped giving us playercount numbers.)
: It's not that I defend it, not exactly. It's that I know the current solution is the best available with today's technology, and I don't have any idea to propose to make it better. So I make due with what I have, and I try to explain how it works to other people. People say: "it's simple, match Silver against Silver, Diamond against Diamond, even in Normals", but that would be even worse, really. That basically would mean that Normals and Ranked are the same thing, and there would be no point in playing both anymore. That would also prevent people from learning and training new champs, because they are locked at their peak level, so they can't afford to play anything they don't already master. And before you reply "I don't care about the 1% of Diamond players, I'm Silver, match me against Silver, period.", well... That would still be worse for most Silver, too. Because the same way people who grinded up to Diamond are matched against Silver and Gold in Normals, most Silver are also matched against Bronze. Basically everyone who spent a lot of time grinding in Ranked is matched against lower people in Normals, and that doesn't affect just the top 2-3%. So yeah, the current system isn't perfect. That Diamond player you met can decide on a whim to play their main and to stomp people in Normals, and that do happen, I don't deny it (I even did it myself). But they wouldn't have been matched in the same game as you in the first place if they didn't perform at roughly your own level in the majority of their other Normals game. And Riot can't control their whim.
Why not just incorperate their actual rank/MMR into their normal play MMR and use both, instead of using one for both? For example, a gold would never be matched with a bronze but could be matched with a silver. They should have to at the very least *earn* their victory instead of ending up with 10 by 5.
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: I do not know what you play, but when I play the 200 armor 3k Health {{champion:113}} kills {{champion:201}} and {{champion:29}} .
My complaint is that in a 5v3 I died before the 400~ added armor from my passive even expired. As in, my entire team ganking Lucian and two other people had me die first. That's one-point-five whole seconds of doing my job.
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: {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} The rewards are horrible. Give us 2500 BE and a random champion shard to call it #worth. Or give us 3 random champion shards to call it #worth.
> [{quoted}](name=Biscuit Bite,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=48Zd0igi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-08T19:51:54.569+0000) > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} > > The rewards are horrible. > > Give us 2500 BE and a random champion shard to call it #worth. > Or give us 3 random champion shards to call it #worth. the weird thing is that it's not a problem to people who existed pre-patch, because most of us got a 50k BE orb to do whatever with and then eat. I feel almost like they did it just to keep us from uproaring about the weird change/s to the IP/BE system.
: I think either I don't understand or you replied to the wrong person. Because you seem to agree with me. Having reached a high rank on the ladder doesn't mean you consistently perform at that same level in Normals, so it's logical to see wide rank disparity in Normals.
I'd believe you, but the Diamond in my game went 15/8... while having around quadruple the rest of their team's damage dealt. Every single time I've dealt with some matchmaking disparity, the match always ended with them stomping everyone else with nothing to be said or done about it, and it's always been miserable. How can you defend it? It's frustrating.
: STOP MATCHING SILVERS VS DIAMOND PLAYERS, YOU ARE PISSING PEOPLE OFF, STOOOOOP!!!!!!!!!
https://imgur.com/a/QJjMp I'll leave that there. It's probably better to add to a thread complaining about it instead of making a new one. "It's normals" isn't really an excuse, considering they wouldn't match Faker up against some generic Silver 5 for the same reason: people play this game to enjoy it, not to get stomped by someone with several thousand times more experience.
Cliticus (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Órrion,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XvbGw3rP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-11-04T09:13:25.493+0000) > > Huh. I didn't expect a detailed answer (thank you, by the way!) and... the way you described it pretty much means I just *have* to give it a try. being awak at 4 am waiting for worlds allows one to think more :P but yeah, new season will be a huge change. Cannot wait for irelia rework and zoe to come out.
> [{quoted}](name=Cliticus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XvbGw3rP,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-04T09:15:30.819+0000) > > being awak at 4 am waiting for worlds allows one to think more :P but yeah, new season will be a huge change. Cannot wait for irelia rework and zoe to come out. They're finally reworking Irelia?! I sound exited. That's because I AM. She's one of the older champions, the least cared-for, and one of the least-picked too. I want to see her viable... er... again.
Cliticus (NA)
: games entering a new phase that will be brand new to most. the new runes and leveling is quite interesting and will help new players get into the game faster with easier access to champions. the new runes/mast system is quite amazing giving resources to those who wouldn't have had it as easy before, essentially bring old champions back into the viable state. The community is horrible IMO, riots attempts to reduce it only allows those who are being abused to get punished not the abusers, but for the general playstyle of the game its more healthy, minus turrets being paper mache
> [{quoted}](name=Cliticus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XvbGw3rP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-04T09:12:25.130+0000) > > games entering a new phase that will be brand new to most. the new runes and leveling is quite interesting and will help new players get into the game faster with easier access to champions. the new runes/mast system is quite amazing giving resources to those who wouldn't have had it as easy before, essentially bring old champions back into the viable state. The community is horrible IMO, riots attempts to reduce it only allows those who are being abused to get punished not the abusers, but for the general playstyle of the game its more healthy, minus turrets being paper mache Huh. I didn't expect a detailed answer (thank you, by the way!) and... the way you described it pretty much means I just *have* to give it a try.
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: What is your League guilty pleasure/dirty secret
Rhawkie (EUW)
: It's not exactly toxic, but as MuffinMcSwagWalk had said, it is showing negative attitude. You are showing negative and very strong "disapproving" attitude towards what they have done, and many see it as toxic, which it isn't. It should rather be referred to as negativity, but it makes the players feel insecure because you are pointing out the problems that they are causing, rather than just flaming them - still not a good thing. Rather try and just keep it in or use other words which won't make other players feel insecure.
I shouldn't have to hide my dislike for an idea! We need to communicate to win, and communication doesn't *just* boil down to "Oh kiss up to them" because, if it did, then we wouldn't have phrases like "Bad idea" and words like "No." and "Don't." I don't even really see how it's a negative attitude, either, especially not when you're trying to *win* and improve your chances of winning. There are definitely good ways and bad ways to disagree, and plenty can verge on toxic, I won't deny. Edit: This may be an awful comparison, but the W. Churches thought the same way; You can't show dissent or question anything they do. It's honestly a bit tyrannical and counterproductive. Edit2: In the example, Akali was using her KDA to slag off my team. So, I just decided to "Hey, dude, you suck as much as me. You're 5/6/0. Shut up and quit BMing the team." and she actually did just that with some pushback from some other people. Sometimes kindly rephrasing "Don't be a hypocrite" gets you somewhere, and those sometimes are worth the times it doesn't - because those people who listen likely won't be toxic again, whereas, as you said, the toxic people would continue to be toxic anyway.
: LMAO, autofill isn't just there for everyone other than support. It's there for everyone. I've been "autofilled" to MID, ADC, Jungle and support. i say "autofilled" because mostly i just take fill as secondary. let's try to not treat support mains as some special kind of player.
I should rephrase; One of the **MAIN** reasons autofill exists is the lack of support players.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=PTSYD,realm=EUW,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=fFtXEIrt,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-05-13T15:36:38.119+0000) > > That's some next level logic behind that Not really, I'm not sure why you would want someone like him back in the game. Just because you are a fan doesn't mean that he did deserves to just be let go. Because guarantee if some random player did the things he did, flaming his allies, running it down mid if people weren't doing well, afking if he didn't get the buffs, whether or not he needed them, and just a whole laundry list worth of shit, you wouldn't be like "Oh, it is fine, I would love to play with that player again." NO, you would be pissed, whining, complaining that Riot doesn't do their jobs. So if you were ok when he was doing it to others, you should be ok with said kinds of players in your game. "Oh, but he is has reformed." Congrats, I'm also sure a lot of murderers reformed in prison, doesn't mean I want them back out in society. Obviously what he did isn't even slightly comparable to murder, but it is the same concept. Whether or not he has truly reformed doesn't matter, during that time with his own admitted 19 permabanned accounts, he has ruined quite literally thousands of player's experiences. He reformed only after being given the ultimate punishment, he had nothing left to do but reform if he even wanted to play again. "Oh, you are too harsh, don't you believe in second chances?" Yeah, I actually do believe in second chances, but once again, he had 19, fucking 19 permabanned accounts, how many more chances did he deserve? So yeah, if you want players like him back, you have no right to complain about players who did any of the things he did in your game, just makes you a hypocrite.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=fFtXEIrt,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-13T16:01:14.493+0000) Riot's also giving him a chance to reform so his fanbase just goes away. Letting him back into the game will have a positive impact for it; He thrives on fans who sort of just pay him to be a complete dick to other people. You'd rather he continue creating accounts to be perma'd than to let him reform into a positive force in the community? Think of this; If you want to use murder as an analogy, would you rather have had Ted Bundie quit killing people and fucking their corpses after the fourth, or, because he had already killed&fucked four would you rather him just continue? We all know the answer. I barely know of Tyler1, only that he's done whatever horrible things for whatever reason... but I believe everyone deserves however many chances it takes... so long as they're willing to keep genuinely trying. You're given so many (∞) lives in games for a reason, and this is it. ...so maybe think about what you're asking. It runs deeper than just you, Jama. Far deeper. - The Prophet {{champion:90}}
: I mean they both exhibit toxic behaviour. maybe instead of: A. Pointing out the persons kda B. Telling X perons they suck ( even though its as much as you ) C. Cursing all of these things are counted as bm. maybe try to not say anything at all and use the mute button it doesn't matter what you say to a toxic/tilted player. it will not make it better. they will either rage more, tilted harder, or feed harder. thus, its best to mute them, report them after the game and move on.
...but I'm not really toxic for disliking your idea to do Baron with two people while being down a jungler, and voicing exactly why I disagree with that choice. I could get it if it was actually toxic while at it... but I'm not, and this is a game about communication and teamwork. Me {{champion:90}}: "Stop. We can't do it. Just take the turret instead." {{champion:103}}: "No, we have enough time. Their jungler's down." Me {{champion:90}}: "We can't. Trust me. Karma's waiting in the wings." *{{champion:103}}{{champion:111}} duo Baron and... Karma steals it with her Q.* Me {{champion:90}}: "I told you! Why did you?! Dammit, now we have to deal with that." {{champion:103}}: /all "Report Malz for toxic plz" That's how it usually goes. I have only twice in my lifetime ever flamed someone, and both times it was thanks to said person being a... very... interesting Ted Bundie-type. Someone who intentionally fed and ruined games and gave away our positions just to ruin our day. ALL my advice or disagreement will ever consist of is "Stop. Don't. Trust me. It's a really bad idea." and, in the worst cases, "Dude, what the fuck? I told you it was a bad idea." ...but yet every so often, I get someone who tells me that I'm either being toxic or that they'll report me for being toxic despite it being nothing more than a disagreement in tactics.
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: Learn more roles. And if you are getting autofilled to non-supp that's a good thing. It means that more people are playing supp.
That's true; It does mean that people are playing support... but then why the hell is autofill still here? It seems to just be here, at this point, to skew matchmaking and tilt people as much as possible before being inevitably removed because it's a nexus for toxicity and matchmaking imbalance. By the way, "Learn more roles" applies to people who are generally good at doing that. Some people like me have a specialized skillset; We pay attention to every detail on the minimap, but can't roam or TP-gank to save our life.
: No autofill exists because queue times were forever and riot was like "hurr durr well we can fix dat herr" and everyone made it a meme that sutofill = support (yes i know not a lot of people were playing support thats why most fills put you there but thats not the primary reason it was made) So autofill will kick in regardless of your position because they dont want people going "OMG I HAD TO WAIT A WHOLE 2 MINUTES FOR A GAME RITO FIX UR QUEUE TIME!" even tho most ~~smart~~ people agree it's better to wait 10 minutes to get a role you you can play vs waiting only 5 minutes and having a shit 20+ minute game because you got a shit role. Oh and autofill exponentially increased dodge and troll picking, which literally counter that "dont waste time" bullshit. Far as im concerned, remove the damn autofill yesterday.
But then why does it give you autofill protection if you queue and get support? It was created due to a lack of us, undeniably. My issue is that, when we try to fix the problem, we're told we can't... ...only to get some dude in the next game insta-tilted because he got filled to my role unwillingly.
: u think there some sense on this board ???
Read my replies; Logic is strange because at times you can't see it, but it's undoubtedly there. It's like how you can only come to understand the intros in some games if you play them to the end.
: I get autofilled into jungle quite a bit Support isn't the only role we get autofilled
Jungle might become the new fill role, for sure. If it does, I'll end up enjoying Malz jungle as much as I see fit until it shifts to like, Top or something. When it does, I'll endlessly bitch for autofill to be removed, just like everyone else! The circle of death is beautiful. {{champion:90}}
: If normal people complain about getting autofilled, they're told to learn more roles If support mains complain about getting autofilled, they're upvoted Lol.
Support mains want to be *a solution* to the problem. One more game I can be my support OTP self in means one less person filled to the least-popular role, and in turn one more person playing their desired role and enjoying themselves. Everyone knows the pain of being filled **to** support from a role they actually wanted to play. Whereas with normal people outside of the role, when they're forced to play the role (at times because "Oh we need a jungler" > fills the support to jungle, "Oh we need a support" > fills the jungle to support) are told to learn the role because of *how uncommon the role is.* I just wish autofill didn't exist, if I'm honest; It's more beneficial and less overall toxic if people can play what they want to play and **_not_** what they don't.
: go sup/mid it fixes most of your problems and if you get mid just play morg.
But then what happens if you get filled Mid and are expected to do anything from roam to push to the many micro things you can't do as a support OTP?
TEA RANT (EUW)
: Yeah, what's the point of shields if they get reduced aswell, might aswell just have a heal. Shields: higher in fight temporary value, need to be timed correctly but are rewarding when they are. Heals: lower value, mostly useful out of fights to sustain, vulnerable to grieveous wounds. So why are shields so strong right now? Simple answer: {{item:3107}} {{item:3504}}
and {{item:3190}}, which is one big shield coupled with {{item:3222}}.
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: You do realize the difference between B5 and D3 is mostly grinding? I've seen great players in B5 and shitty ones in streams of D2 games.
I find it funny you have 19 downvotes despite people agreeing with you, time and time again and getting a plethora of upvotes for it.
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Kritty (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Órrion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ew19KhpE,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-09T02:02:44.168+0000) > > Really seems like a feasible way to balance the ol' match history out. > > Give me such amazing things as Jax/Soraka ADC seven times in a row and make them refuse to forfeit and say "It's just a game! Have fun" like it excuses them ruining mine. > > Give me such amazingly toxic teammates that I have to report two to five of them per match, but only in these loss-streaks! Very rarely otherwise. Wonder why. Must be the fairies. > > But hey, it's a balanced 50% winrate because of the two additional games I won a while ago, right? Totally not extremely toxic, frustrating and unfair, right? Totally makes that "player agency" a thing when our team'd lose to theirs even if we hired Faker to carry. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}} > > Hope it ends soon. When you go on a winning streak, your MMR rises. As such, you're going to get lower MMR players on your team to balance your team against the enemy team. If your MMR goes back down (say, on a losing streak), you'll eventually get placed with some higher MMR players, to make your team's overall rating a bit more fair - it's just the way Matchmaking works. If your rating goes up, your teammate ratings will likely get lower, in order to ensure a "fair" game. While this doesn't excuse trolls, it does explain a little bit about why you're seeing these happen in streaks.
The MMR system has a natural side-effect: people who win too much will start to lose when they reach into an MMR full of people on *both* teams that're so far above them because they eventually contribute so little of something to their team that they "force" a loss. In the above, someone reaches their true MMR when they win and lose 50% of the time not because of allies that carry or teammates that feed, but because they contribute as much to the game as literally everyone else there. And that is also where you learn to improve, too, because you have to learn new tactics. Forcing people to lose due to teammates objectively worse than theirs (or you, or both!) is NOT how you remedy someone winning so many games in a row, and in the end just promotes a feeling of [helplessness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness) and spite that contributes to the toxic atmosphere. It also stunts learning the game, which is extremely bad.
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: Are you picking Skarner support a lot? A "support" at least that uses juggernauts that are definitely nto designed to be supports. lol
No, it's just a stupid trend I've noticed where midlaners then become supports and stomp the lane until they get nerfed to hell and then forgotten, and then reworked, and then... it happens all over again.
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Biabri (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Órrion,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Wd6eHx8c,comment-id=00050001000600000000,timestamp=2017-05-06T20:53:03.736+0000) > > ...you'd be amazed how many people actually know what it is. > > Anyway, that isn't the point of my post; I used it as a comparison because it's something extremely taboo and I get less creepy commentary on it than one single woman ever does the moment they mention that they *are* one in League and a few other games as well. > > Something is very wrong with that, with gender even coming **_close_** to being taboo. It's just simply not though, this isn't a thing that happens with A. The frequency that is claimed or B. Exclusively to women and C. Unprovoked.
Either you're lucky, biased or you're lying. Firsthand I've witnessed plenty of "Show me ur titz" one-liners the moment someone even hints at their gender or enters voice chat in a public League Discord server. I'm male, but can say I've never really found those jokes to be in good taste regardless. On the same token, it may not happen 100% exclusively to women, but I have yet to come across a single degrading sexual comment tossed my way *related to my gender*. I'd rather everyone just treats everyone as an equal; The fact people don't is a main cause of strife in the world, and we really don't need to bring that into a community meant to **_escape_** from it.
Biabri (EUW)
: That's because the people who know what voraephilia even is are either furries or doctors. The former are used to it, the latter deal with much stranger stuff.
...you'd be amazed how many people actually know what it is. Anyway, that isn't the point of my post; I used it as a comparison because it's something extremely taboo and I get less creepy commentary on it than one single woman ever does the moment they mention that they *are* one in League and a few other games as well. Something is very wrong with that, with gender even coming **_close_** to being taboo.
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Decrit (EUW)
: ehm, copying what? this is a concept old as time, something similar comes from DotA too. I hardly doubt that they wanted to copy a thing just because, they know better that it does not work like that. I remember there was something like that on Strife, time before HotS even. or at least, they learned it years ago with the old mastery system.
Remember how long matches were? Remember how that mysteriously changed with HotS' release?
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: > [{quoted}](name=MUSHROOM MIDGET,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Wd6eHx8c,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-05-05T16:15:21.565+0000)best advice - dont tell anyone you are a girl. I can't support this advice -- this is effectively saying "Yes, there's a problem. The solution is to avoid presenting the information that causes the problem." I don't think gaming as a major cultural activity can survive if the advice we give half of society is "just hide your gender." Or, in your example, "just hide everything about yourself." Seems like it's better to make people aware of the diversity inherent in the community, and start turning the community against those who use it to belittle or insult their fellow gamers.
It amazes me how creepy the community can be at times. From the strange and creepy one-liners when someone even mentions that they're female, to the insane big deal made of that fact. I parade around my vorarephilia and I get far fewer creepy responses. Gender isn't fucking taboo, and yet people **act** like it is. The fuck? But yet, here I am; I parade around one of the most taboo traits and get less shit _for_ it. Like, think about that for a moment. It's... worrying. And I'm glad it's changing. ~~I do get the occasional "Why do you like the idea of being swallowed whole?" jig, though.~~ Asking people to support your advice that boils down to "Yeah just don't acknowledge the problem and it'll go away" will have nothing *at all* change for the better. I hope someday women will be accepted into gaming communities without any of the bullshit attached for the exact same reason you, reader, writer, are welcome in it. But hey, according to most people I say this "Because I'm in love with her" and not because I'm a gamer and I want more gamers like me, more kind people and a wider variety of people in gaming communities, huh? Nah. Apparently wanting what's best for the community I love and am a part of is just a facade "Because I'm in love with her!" Fuck, man. What the hell. ~~I also really dislike the inherent notion this behavior puts forward that we're all sexist pigs.~~
: Don't do this,please.
It's worked in the past. He functions as a semi-tank semi-initiator that easily rends armor with {{item:3071}} due to the DoT on his Q applying it every mini-tick. He also has 7 less health growth a level than {{champion:12}} and higher armor growth, so he doesn't need items as much as other supports.
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