Meddler (NA)
: This is likely an unpopular opinion with some, but my personal take is that Jayce has never had a healthy pattern. When he's been successful it's been in ways that leave his opponents with few ways to interact well enough with him in lane or later. Not expecting this current nerf will do anything other than band aid things a little. Wouldn't want to sink a lot of time into Jayce either though until other champs in significantly greater need of work get help first. Sylas wise we believe wave clear to be a good angle to hit. Tends to be particularly valuable in pro versus other contexts. Means potentially pulling power out of that and then seeing if we can put it elsewhere (though that bit's likely to happen in a follow up patch if so).
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=6nEuYRvs,comment-id=001d0000,timestamp=2019-05-24T15:56:15.399+0000) > > This is likely an unpopular opinion with some, but my personal take is that Jayce has never had a healthy pattern. When he's been successful it's been in ways that leave his opponents with few ways to interact well enough with him in lane or later. Not expecting this current nerf will do anything other than band aid things a little. Wouldn't want to sink a lot of time into Jayce either though until other champs in significantly greater need of work get help first. > > Sylas wise we believe wave clear to be a good angle to hit. Tends to be particularly valuable in pro versus other contexts. Means potentially pulling power out of that and then seeing if we can put it elsewhere (though that bit's likely to happen in a follow up patch if so). So what you're saying is that you're going to gut him in all ways possible with no compenstation after repeated nerfs to items and his kit and you're not going to sink a lot of work into him, so players who like playing that have gotten smacked down hard with repeated nerfs to their favorite champion can just sit there? At least have the decency to nerf him before his damn skin comes out so no one buys it... It's obvious jayce is oppressive, but to say you're not going to do any work on him then is just absurd when you won't even reveal what champs have priority.
Rioter Comments
: You know how you can tone down damage, CC, and mobility in one fair swoop?
Adc's would just destroy everything, I mean they pretty much already decide who wins the game based on which bottom lane loses. There would be no way to kill them.
: Um... bud... I did not say she was broken. Although if you want a realistic answer... ok then. Considering that for the past 3-4 seasons she has had on average a 50% which is pretty good in which she should be balanced although with the recent patch updates she has being receiving a lot more attention due to the lack of changes in which has caused this 55% + win rate, if you think riven is balanced because of this high win rate, I would be concerned. BTW naturally riot makes a skin for champions then immediately nerf them one patch later... e.g last season, puke, aatrox and multiple other champions. It’s a shit trend that riot does and annoys the community a lot
She hasn't. in fact in the past 3-4 seasons she's probabl avg about a 47-48% winrate.
: We nerf all champions, except Riven and Vayne. - Rito balance team
I mean if you knew anything, you'd know that during the most recent tank meta with IBG and sunfire cape with grasp of the undying her winrate was hovering between 45-47%. Not only that but after the removal of brutalizer and changing last whisper her winrate was 46%. so her winrate has not been above 50% for 8 years.
: Because he dies in two hits
How so? He builds a mix of dmg along with hp and resists.
Rioter Comments
: "i have 1 account that gets good lp and lp loses. it must mean everybody is like that"
I was saying how ridiculous it is and that I should be winning more. season 7 i think it was, I was winning 35 a win in plat at one point.
: > [{quoted}](name=ßurst,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8oGApjB1,comment-id=000000020001,timestamp=2019-04-07T23:41:06.081+0000) > > No, this is how you get downvoted by not contributing to the conversation. It's that simple. In a speech class you debate with your opponent you don't straight up say no and get a perfect score. No, that's what the downvote button is MEANT to be used for. You're full of it if you say that's what it's used for 99% of the time though
I mean he didn't say anything meaningful except for "No". I have never been downvoted to hell even when I straight up disagree with controversial topics but I add reasons why.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Bot has nothing to do with this. When bot was shit it was who had the most fed jax, irelia or darius. Now that adcs are back there is actually ways to kill those monstrosities. Not replying directly to op, but to others who claim bot lane rule the game. As to op - imo it's mostly because one braindead can ruin a game alone where one good player can't win alone.
I agree with you to a certain extent, If you're toplane loses or if your midlane loses I think you could still come back because the nature of those roles is 1v1, midlane a little less so bc of jungle, but if your botlane loses its a 3v5 and if your jungler loses you lose a lot more pressure in the game because of how heavily closing out the game relies on jungle (baron, drags, scuttle often).
: > [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8oGApjB1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-06T07:46:47.459+0000) > > No And this is why if you don't like getting downvoted, don't disagree with the OP on a controversial topic, because some people are petty lol
No, this is how you get downvoted by not contributing to the conversation. It's that simple. In a speech class you debate with your opponent you don't straight up say no and get a perfect score.
: And to add to that, you lose 22 lp while gaining only 13 when you have a 60% wr. Its literally just back and fourth bs.
https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Broken%20W%C4%B1ngs this acc of mine has what a 65% winrate and wins like 20-21 lp and loses like 15-16 lol pure bs
: Why is "fun had" not part of balancing the game?
Riven has been bad actually for quite a while she was terrible. The most recent tank meta had her sitting at one of the worst winrates in the game for the majority of the time during the meta. I'm talking about the IBG, sunfire, and IBG meta.
ßurst (NA)
: I believe the armor might be too much. imo about 35-40 would be fine. Also, I feel like mage shield stacking would be insane given this item. Many mages already take something like barrier and many also do build tear to get the seraphs shield later, and I just feel like this would be a little of a toxic mechanic later into the game. On the contrary end I fell like ad anti-mage items need to be redone. something like eon has been totally over nerfed. I really love the idea or EoN because mages (obviously) have huge spells that you need to dodge or possibly outplay with this. the maw item could use some looking at. Also, I feel like tear needs to be looked at because it promotes not interacting with your laner until you have it full stacked. It could use a better alternative that could be used with more than just ez and mages.
Thumbs up tho I like the idea, hourglass has been dominant way to long, and the stasis affect can be done away with I feel like.
4nswer (NA)
: Healthy Zhonya's Alternative
I believe the armor might be too much. imo about 35-40 would be fine. Also, I feel like mage shield stacking would be insane given this item. Many mages already take something like barrier and many also do build tear to get the seraphs shield later, and I just feel like this would be a little of a toxic mechanic later into the game. On the contrary end I fell like ad anti-mage items need to be redone. something like eon has been totally over nerfed. I really love the idea or EoN because mages (obviously) have huge spells that you need to dodge or possibly outplay with this. the maw item could use some looking at. Also, I feel like tear needs to be looked at because it promotes not interacting with your laner until you have it full stacked. It could use a better alternative that could be used with more than just ez and mages.
: > [{quoted}](name=ßurst,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ejkn4GxN,comment-id=000600000002,timestamp=2019-04-06T19:29:56.042+0000) > > Agreed, feels like adc's can just run rampant where ever but when it comes to toplane they need nerfs, nerf their items, gut their champs, etc. This right here! Top always gets the quickest response when something is "out of line". Right now I would consider most of the marksman class to be pretty strong relative to the entire cast of champions, especially kite heavy champs like ezreal. Man, I hate playing against Ezreal. He has this strange notion where people consider him difficult because he's skillshot based, but most adcs rely on skillshots as a chunk of their damage and don't get rewarded with a free flash every 15 secs at rank 1. He's not the only one, but my point is that there are other classes that are just as strong and have just as much carry potential while being safer.
not to mention ez builds more defensively than the average adc
: No, whenever any toplaner is barely playable people lose their shit. They just cannot stand to get their missplays punished which is what bruisers do best same as assassins. They aren't hated for no reason they are hated because bad players can't deal with them. Most of the hate btw comes from botlane mains anyways who are used to just statcheck the other adc to death or come lategame stand infront of a tank and mow them down, they cannot do that to a heca so they cry. Or a jax. Or an olaf.
Agreed, feels like adc's can just run rampant where ever but when it comes to toplane they need nerfs, nerf their items, gut their champs, etc.
Ralanr (NA)
: Wait isn’t Hecarim a jungler?
people are playing him toplane since that is where he is strong rn
ßurst (NA)
: True, I was playing on my other acc about similar elo as this one and getting good elo up until they reverted adc stuff. After that it seemed even if I was 3-0, 4-1 I couldn't do much to the enemy bot laners if they even got slightly ahead. On another note I played a weird game where I got autofilled botlane and my and my support played renek/j4 bot lane and it was the easiest freelo i've gotten. I literally do not know how my botlanes lose so often.
my other acc https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Broken%20W%C4%B1ngs
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: games are coinflippy because only bot matters anymore, and you aren't a botlaner play adc and enjoy the freelo, if you're better than enemy bot ofc
True, I was playing on my other acc about similar elo as this one and getting good elo up until they reverted adc stuff. After that it seemed even if I was 3-0, 4-1 I couldn't do much to the enemy bot laners if they even got slightly ahead. On another note I played a weird game where I got autofilled botlane and my and my support played renek/j4 bot lane and it was the easiest freelo i've gotten. I literally do not know how my botlanes lose so often.
: I find wins/losses right now are more heavily driven by assassin mids. Namely...... Zed. If he can't get fed mid, he can always just use shadows to cross map quickly, and kill someone else. And once the player learns his kit, it's not hard at all, and has very little counterplay, since he's more mobile than almost any other assassin, and has more damage packed into one skill than any other assassin. His Energy pacing also perfectly matches a roam playstyle, because every time he reaches a lane, he'll be 200 Energy and ready to ult/etc. Every time I mid vs one, he can't kill me, so he just avoids me. Roams bot/top, but my bot/tops don't listen to pings 30-40 sec ahead of time. They freely feed, and then all I can do is use turrets to occasionally kill him once we cross paths again. Bots can carry, but all it takes is a solid CC to kill most of them. Mid Assassins......particularly a Zed, cannot as easily.
Midlaners won't win the game if their botlane is 1/7 together it's just how the game goes. youre playing with practically 3.5v5 with 2 players being useless.
: Have a look-see at[ Mobalytics.com](https://app.mobalytics.gg/gpi/na/ßurst) which gives a really in-depth analysis of your game play and how to improve upon it. For you, it had this to say as a summary: > We detect you are a Hoarder because you’re getting a lot of resources but you’re not able to convert it into anything meaningful for your team during fights. It’s important to learn how to farm and you’re doing that correctly. However, you need to be able to contribute to your team in a meaningful way during fights if you are going to be where the team’s money is going. For me, it had this to say as a summary: > We detect you as a Tunnel Vision player due to your disregard for the location of other players on the map. If you’re going to play forward and dangerous in the early game then you need to learn how to minimize the risk so it does not backfire in your face and put you behind before you even had a chance to play.
I barely use this acc for legitimate gameplay. I use this acc more. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Broken%20W%C4%B1ngs On another note how are toplaners really supposed to accomplish something more meaningful to the game. If you aren't playing a mage toplane you're going to be relatively useless.
Rioter Comments
: Same reason it's okay for vayne and riv to be up there to I guess But she isnt as frustrating to play against so when you lose to her it seems more fair than agaisnt riv/vayne which is why you dont see the boards full of "nerf jinx" But she is fairly strong atm with indirect buffs.
Riven isn't even up where she was 2 patches ago and is slowly falling.
: Kayle now has 54% winrate and 14% play rate in high elo.
Riot sees no problem... might even buff her tbh
: It seems like fucking up the game is the only thing this dev team is any good at.
litearlly, like how is kayle not hotfixed at this point does she lose more than 50% of the time against anyone ?
Böljy (EUNE)
: My elo must be somewhere between unranked and uninstalled
I have a 67% winrate acc about the same rank as this one and it gains less lp per win than this one lmfao. Wtf did they even do this season
: Meanwhile Vayne.
She needs nerfs but revenue tho....
: Grant LP to the winning team regardless of the lack of LP losses for the team with the AFK, easy.
I think this would be exploitable i think the best thing to do is just make a vote for the afk team if they all vote yes then the loss gets prevented for them but not for the afk. I.e make it less exploitable with a vote.
Rioter Comments
: Can you get Demoted
Of course you can, and the amount of games it takes to demote is based on MMR and winrate. Some people may only need 2 where others need 4 losses at 0 LP
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SS1986 (NA)
: New conquer is an adc/dps mage rune
Don't forget Kennen, I think he'll be op with it.
: What elo are you talking about? She is struggling in low and high elo.
average among plat+ http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics
Kaynz (EUNE)
: What! How so? A week ago she was monitored for being weak xD u sure we play the same game?
http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics click jungle and you'll see for plat+ she's performing great. might not be karthus but shes 2nd among all junglers in the teir list.
Ęvelynn (NA)
: how did evelynn land with the jungle exp changes as a level 6 reliant champion?
Her winrate shows she's one of the strongest junglers atm.
Kaynz (EUNE)
: Hey Meddler! Any info about the junglers? Especially level 6 spike junglers ({{champion:28}}). She could use a +5 base MS owo imo without breaking her.
She is one of the strongest junglers atm.
Zeus xD (EUNE)
: Any news/ideas for {{champion:44}} ? Skins ? Almost 1000days since he got his last skin , Changes ? Buffs /nerfs ? What do you think of his current state ?
What about jayce he hasn't gotten a skin in about equally as long.
hoganftw (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VQ6ArV4m,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-08T14:02:12.855+0000) > > Mages? > Barring cassio swain liss karthus... > Every mage is trash tier > {{champion:34}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:101}} > Tell me how these are among the strongest in the game Xerath, Veigar, Lux, Malzahar, and Velkoz are especially good in low ELO. Maybe not top tier, but they're still decently played.
malz, elise, don't forget vlad, karthus.
: Half of the top 10 junglers are bruisers, none are mages. 6 of the top 10 toplaners are bruisers, **none** are mages. All stats plat+ Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Vlad, eve, kassadin, karthus, nidalee, elise. of which the latter 3and eve are above any bruiser in terms of teir in the jungle. op.gg
: > [{quoted}](name=ßurst,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GvgRuiEi,comment-id=000200000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-08T03:45:38.632+0000) > > Cass, kennen, azir are just a couple who would abuse tf out of this rune more than any bruiser in the game and they dont really play a bruiser playstyle. Cass and Azir, sure. Cass just got nerfed hard and Azir hasn't been good in a while. Kennen, not so much.
Why wouldn't kennen be good with is he has all the resources to use it better than any bruiser lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=ßurst,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GvgRuiEi,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T03:14:41.250+0000) > > It's a terrible thing. Mages are going to abuse it more than brusiers lmao Only the ones similar to bruisers... who need a keystone anyway. There's no problem here.
Cass, kennen, azir are just a couple who would abuse tf out of this rune more than any bruiser in the game and they dont really play a bruiser playstyle.
: not just riven.(riven already abuses current conqueror like crazy) ranged champions will abuse it much harder if this current version goes out on live.
exactly my point
: Nobody needs help killing tanks when the only one getting played is Sion (and to some lesser extent, Sejuani).
: > [{quoted}](name=Sailor Mint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GvgRuiEi,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-08T02:19:37.319+0000) > > [New Effect] "Attacks or spells that deal damage to an enemy champion grant 3-15 Adaptive Force (based on level) for 3s (8s for melee). Stacks up to 5 times. When fully stacked, heal for 10% of damage dealt to champions and convert 10% of that damage to True Damage." > > It's basically the lovechild of Warlord's Bloodlust and Fervor of Battle, that also happens to work on DPS mages. That's not really a bad thing.
It's a terrible thing. Mages are going to abuse it more than brusiers lmao
Rioter Comments
: And now realize PTA exists. ^^ There might be some rangeds able to use it - but even stuff like {{champion:236}} who'd get it stacked fast should be better of with PTA. The scariest user I can think of right now would be {{champion:69}}
Don't forget something like kennen. It'll be free wins on kennen I dont know what theyre thinking this is a terrible change
kargish (EUW)
: An assassin does not have to one shot in order to be effective
Pyke does not need to be 15-0 to one shot someone he can do so just fine early game. Midlane he can dominate early but he needs to finish the game fast or else all of his end the game early potential is gone.
: i think when they do something like a small ad lowered or increased they're really just throwing it out into the open game for data collection. To see how this ever so slight change will affect his overall game performance. This will allow them in a later patch to be more accurate in a nerf/buff.
When looking at jax, I feel like the ad was geared towards worsening his jungle clears for lower elo play where as the q dmg being lowered was for top lane jax.
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