: Update time! Just days ago regulations and contracts were finalized, SK Telecom T1 is now going to be T1 Entertainment and Sports. They've partnered with Comcast and another investor, are launching a DOTA 2 team, and have a new site with new merchandise. So odds are poor you will be able to buy an official SKT licensed jacket like what you are looking for.
> [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=F9lkeGLh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-17T04:06:27.982+0000) > > Update time! > Just days ago regulations and contracts were finalized, SK Telecom T1 is now going to be T1 Entertainment and Sports. They've partnered with Comcast and another investor, are launching a DOTA 2 team, and have a new site with new merchandise. > > So odds are poor you will be able to buy an official SKT licensed jacket like what you are looking for. dang that sucks, thanks for letting me know anyways
Rioter Comments
: Can you take some of the cait/jhin buffs back?
jhin got 2 AD, you got to be joking right? LOL
: Why is Darius not nerfed
sorry to say but just get good, there is a lot of ways to beat darius. dodge his sweet spot on his q, disengage before he gets 5 stacks. take short trades with him. he really isnt that op.
Moody P (NA)
: Garen is the only champion in League to have zero competitive relevance ever
Keyru (NA)
: 2018 End of Season Rewards and Honor
THANK YOU RIOT GAMES, YOU MAY TAKE SEVERAL STEPS BACKWARDS IN MY EYES, BUT YOU NEVER FAIL TO MAKE A GOOD STEP FORWARD WHEN IT HAPPENS.
: Honor should reset downwards for everyone
great to see players like me who slip up 1 game over 3 years be treated like scum by other players. What can i say, i just really love this community
: Here are the chat logs of the 2 games I was chat banned for
damn you got 2 games? i got a chat restriction for 1 :(
: How we as a community can help to improve the current punishment system
: > [{quoted}](name=0DESTROYERZ0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A0P4AI2x,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-11-09T03:38:55.895+0000) > > i see what you are saying, so are you suggesting that the rules should be no negativity whatsoever, and if there is it should result in a penalty? I apologize if it seemed like it, but I am not suggesting anything, I was merely explaining the "contract" from a legal stand point. Vague wording is generally used to have control of otherwise scenarios not specifically covered. With that said, the rule basically ARE no negativity what so ever. Except for competitive bs'ing, which isn't specifically 'negative' but isn't exactly 'positive' and puts it in a vague neutral zone that I try not to get into period.
> [{quoted}](name=ı Sona ı,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A0P4AI2x,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-11-09T03:42:02.426+0000) > > I apologize if it seemed like it, but I am not suggesting anything, I was merely explaining the "contract" from a legal stand point. Vague wording is generally used to have control of otherwise scenarios not specifically covered. > > With that said, the rule basically ARE no negativity what so ever. Except for competitive bs'ing, which isn't specifically 'negative' but isn't exactly 'positive' and puts it in a vague neutral zone that I try not to get into period. ok i see what you are saying. Do you think maybe that we could still keep the terms of use, as it is needed for lawsuits and whatnot, but then create a separate document that goes into the specificity of punishments?
: Chat is a tool to be used only for increasing your team's chances of victory. Being friendly and encouraging only qualifies because it slightly increases team cohesion. Anything that is focusing on reducing your team's chances of victory, like encouraging ff, calling for reports, insults, complaints, or arguments should be punishable. Let's build a little leeway into the system, because we're all still human and make mistakes occasionally. Anything that isn't reported won't be punished, as only the things that actually bothered anyone is worth taking action against. Reports won't directly cause punishment. Reports will only cause the system to scan and score the chat/gameplay. We can call the score given the "ML score" for Machine Learning, as the system will respond to trends in reporting (while being curated by humans), so that it can identify what the playerbase considers ~~unacceptable~~ reducing the chance of victory. Once the ML score reaches a threshold, apply the next penalty. There will be a zero tolerance policy on some things. There is no conceivable reason for anyone to be using those words while using chat properly. The people who use those words should be ostracized until they can conform to normal behavior. ------------------------------------------------------------ So, no change.
> [{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A0P4AI2x,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-11-09T03:38:53.198+0000) > > Chat is a tool to be used only for increasing your team's chances of victory. Being friendly and encouraging only qualifies because it slightly increases team cohesion. > > Anything that is focusing on reducing your team's chances of victory, like encouraging ff, calling for reports, insults, complaints, or arguments should be punishable. Let's build a little leeway into the system, because we're all still human and make mistakes occasionally. > > Anything that isn't reported won't be punished, as only the things that actually bothered anyone is worth taking action against. > > Reports won't directly cause punishment. Reports will only cause the system to scan and score the chat/gameplay. We can call the score given the "ML score" for Machine Learning, as the system will respond to trends in reporting (while being curated by humans), so that it can identify what the playerbase considers unacceptable. Once the ML score reaches a threshold, apply the next penalty. > > There will be a zero tolerance policy on some things. There is no conceivable reason for anyone to be using those words while using chat properly. The people who use those words should be ostracized until they can conform to normal behavior. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > So, no change. The thing is after reading everything that you said, i actually do believe that the suggestions you made are, from my perspective, actually different from the rules currently instituted by riot games.
: I believe the reason they use vague wording is to be able to have such ability to broadly cover a wide array of scenarios thought of or unthought of. Just say nice things, even if you don't feel like saying nice things. Yes, it is hard sometimes. But when you replace negative things with positive things you'll find a change in yourself that will help you bring a change in others.
> [{quoted}](name=ı Sona ı,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A0P4AI2x,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-09T03:36:04.638+0000) > > I believe the reason they use vague wording is to be able to have such ability to broadly cover a wide array of scenarios thought of or unthought of. > > Just say nice things, even if you don't feel like saying nice things. Yes, it is hard sometimes. But when you replace negative things with positive things you'll find a change in yourself that will help you bring a change in others. i see what you are saying, so are you suggesting that the rules should be no negativity whatsoever, and if there is it should result in a penalty?
: From the code of conduct. v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable; While there is an ingame tip that says "competitive bs'ing is fine" I think its best to take that with a giant grain of salt. Breathe deeply and transmit good messages to yourself so you can transmit good messages to others around you.
> [{quoted}](name=ı Sona ı,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A0P4AI2x,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-09T03:27:57.757+0000) > > From the code of conduct. > > v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable; > > While there is an ingame tip that says "competitive bs'ing is fine" I think its best to take that with a giant grain of salt. Breathe deeply and transmit good messages to yourself so you can transmit good messages to others around you. the only problem that i see with this is that the word offensive is used, but that is also such a broad term. Everyone takes offense to different things and at different levels, and it is up to riot to normalize what is considered offensive. Do they side with people that are easily offended, the people that are not easily offended, or the people in the middle. I still feel that more specificity needs to be brought up.
Rioter Comments
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=0DESTROYERZ0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=0008000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-09T00:08:13.382+0000) > > did not enjoy myself in the game, otherwise why would I be asking for an ff... Well, i pointed it out, most everyone agrees, Riot agrees, Riot punishes you for exactly that. You don't still see it? They you're either in denial purposely or naive. Sorry, there's no other way.
> [{quoted}](name=Fegone,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=00080000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-09T02:30:39.221+0000) > > Well, i pointed it out, most everyone agrees, Riot agrees, Riot punishes you for exactly that. > You don't still see it? > They you're either in denial purposely or naive. Sorry, there's no other way. no, what you said i was punished for #4. That is literally what trolling is, having fun while making fun of others or trying to make others not have fun to have fun. I did not do that you are just making that up.
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=0DESTROYERZ0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=00080000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T20:40:11.418+0000) > > its not against the rules, show me what rule i broke..... https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/ Rule No4
> [{quoted}](name=Fegone,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=000800000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-08T23:52:18.116+0000) > > https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/ > > Rule No4 did not enjoy myself in the game, otherwise why would I be asking for an ff...
Voldymort (EUNE)
: I take it that the new ban wave just struck...
sad to see so many upvotes on a post like this
: The robot that handles the banning is an extension of riot games. Anything the robot deems banworthy is banworthy to riot games
> [{quoted}](name=Pillar Of SaIt,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EPX3wMig,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-08T22:16:17.555+0000) > > The robot that handles the banning is an extension of riot games. Anything the robot deems banworthy is banworthy to riot games robots can make mistakes
zPOOPz (NA)
: well, since your punishment still stand, that is also the opinion of Rito's and their opinion trump yours.
> [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EPX3wMig,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-08T02:32:39.495+0000) > > well, since your punishment still stand, that is also the opinion of Rito's and their opinion trump yours. well i mean i cant snap my fingers and riot will instantly respond to me lol
: Yes, a manual review can remove punishments, but it's only if they were incorrectly applied. Your punishment was not incorrectly applied, so it's not worth the time and effort to ask.
> [{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EPX3wMig,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-08T00:16:23.543+0000) > > Yes, a manual review can remove punishments, but it's only if they were incorrectly applied. > > Your punishment was not incorrectly applied, so it's not worth the time and effort to ask. That is your opinion
Vreivai (NA)
: Terms of use for online video games usually have a clause in them that essentially boils down to "we can ban you for whatever arbitrary reason we want." I really wish there were some regulation that prevented such broad terms and better protected consumers' rights, but until then, there's no recourse.
> [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EPX3wMig,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-08T00:13:00.836+0000) > > Terms of use for online video games usually have a clause in them that essentially boils down to "we can ban you for whatever arbitrary reason we want." > > I really wish there were some regulation that prevented such broad terms and better protected consumers' rights, but until then, there's no recourse. but if a support member did state he did not believe I should have a punishment, would he then be required to lift it?
: Well, I don't want to go through your previous posts, so I don't go into a discussion on if they should or should not lift your restriction. Instead, I'll go into details with the Terms of Use. As it reads, anything that is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable, means any sorts of negativity. Any of these apply to the reports you've gotten from your games will get a flag. So it's based on consistency and severity. Flags are only applied based on how many legitimate reports and when added up, you'll receive a penalty. The Terms of Use means if anyone is offensive, negative, and toxic they'll be going against that policy and will be punished accordingly.
> [{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EPX3wMig,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-08T00:00:26.276+0000) > > Well, I don't want to go through your previous posts, so I don't go into a discussion on if they should or should not lift your restriction. > > Instead, I'll go into details with the Terms of Use. > As it reads, anything that is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable, means any sorts of negativity. Any of these apply to the reports you've gotten from your games will get a flag. So it's based on consistency and severity. Flags are only applied based on how many legitimate reports and when added up, you'll receive a penalty. The Terms of Use means if anyone is offensive, negative, and toxic they'll be going against that policy and will be punished accordingly. but does it not also state that it is at the discretion of riot games, which means that the chat logs are up for interpretation by them?
Supz (EUNE)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Supz,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EPX3wMig,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T23:59:33.953+0000) > > They are private company and this is standard ToS. "At their own discretion" is uniformly used phrase in probably every document regarding private company and customer relationship. So that means that if they think the punishment isnt deserved, they can remove it?
: Chat-log? We can't debate when we have no information what you did.
> [{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EPX3wMig,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-07T23:53:33.488+0000) > > Chat-log? > We can't debate when we have no information what you did. Im just trying to discuss the meaning of the words written in the terms of use, if you want my chat logs you can go to 3 posts previous to this
Rioter Comments
rujitra (NA)
: Aside from a small experiment that to my knowledge is still ongoing (but new players are not being added to), a permanently banned account is not unbanned ever. It is, permanent.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PmZ9EE9U,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-07T19:35:32.228+0000) > > Aside from a small experiment that to my knowledge is still ongoing (but new players are not being added to), a permanently banned account is not unbanned ever. It is, permanent. not true, https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/84NHOpMA-i-had-my-permanently-banned-account-reinstated-and-heres-how-it-turned-out
: Explain how.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nYuOHbe5,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T20:42:18.412+0000) > > Explain how. because something being a warning does not qualify it to also have a punishment
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=0DESTROYERZ0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=000800000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T17:40:41.955+0000) > > Your acting like calling your team garbage is going to make them sad for the next weak. It honestly means nothing and you are being brainwashed by riot and half the people on this boards lol. Doesn't matter if it makes anyone sad. It's against the rules, and you're mad and salty that you got caught. Like a 12 year old who gets caught watching tv instead of cleaning his room. Own up to it man.
> [{quoted}](name=Fegone,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=0008000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T19:47:22.150+0000) > > Doesn't matter if it makes anyone sad. > It's against the rules, and you're mad and salty that you got caught. > Like a 12 year old who gets caught watching tv instead of cleaning his room. > Own up to it man. its not against the rules, show me what rule i broke.....
: > Riot has said themselves, the chat restriction is to serve as a warning. It being a warning does not disqualify it from also being a punishment. > But by using the broad term punishment, you are lumping in the actual toxic people that play this game just to anger others with people that may have had a bad game and got punished. Yeah? Because, in the broad strokes, the people who get punished - whether banned or chat restricted - are both in the same group. They got punished. I don't see the issue. And besides, like I've reiterated about twice now; _the system works largely the same way as it did in previous seasons._ If someone had an active chat restriction by the end of the season, they wouldn't get ranked rewards, just like if someone had gotten a 14-day ban a month or so before season's end. Same thing applies here; get punished near the end of the season, don't get ranked rewards.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nYuOHbe5,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T20:05:48.333+0000) > > It being a warning does not disqualify it from also being a punishment. > > Yeah? Because, in the broad strokes, the people who get punished - whether banned or chat restricted - are both in the same group. They got punished. I don't see the issue. > > And besides, like I've reiterated about twice now; _the system works largely the same way as it did in previous seasons._ If someone had an active chat restriction by the end of the season, they wouldn't get ranked rewards, just like if someone had gotten a 14-day ban a month or so before season's end. > > Same thing applies here; get punished near the end of the season, don't get ranked rewards. alright you are just trolling now lol
: Well judging by the obnoxious way you type, and the childish way you behave, I'm not at all surprised you got permabanned. Good riddance. Too many kids in this game who act like brats. Grow up and learn to be decent. It will benefit you in more ways than you can comprehend.
> [{quoted}](name=XL BENCH PRESS,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=b7fKavGw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-07T15:03:40.503+0000) > > Well judging by the obnoxious way you type, and the childish way you behave, I'm not at all surprised you got permabanned. Good riddance. > > Too many kids in this game who act like brats. Grow up and learn to be decent. It will benefit you in more ways than you can comprehend. Well aren’t you on your high horse. Nice job in leading by example and treating the op with respect.
Kei143 (NA)
: Question for you, what's your purpose of flaming?
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fhn3c5Tm,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-11-07T16:58:15.619+0000) > > Question for you, what's your purpose of flaming? Does it matter?
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Faneseeker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0yBeN6it,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-07T17:39:18.787+0000) > > The only thing this proves is that you are a scum of a human being. very dark. I like. The irony in this post LOL
: > I know I'm toxic, but it's not my fault that in this game there are so many feeders and trolls. Blunt as it may seem, it is *always* your fault. You -- and only you -- are in control of your behavior and how you respond to situations that may be frustrating or enraging. It is on you to find another way to deal with those emotions than abusing other players in chat. >I say it's unfair that one tries so hard to get gold... *League* is a team game. If you are being abusive to your team and putting the victory screen that far over the experience of your fellow players, than you are not playing *League* the way it is meant to be played, and the removal of rewards is one of Riot's ways to enforce that stance. Put simply, if your rise to the top comes at the expense of players you've trashed in-chat the entire way, you are *not* a good *League* player -- only a mechanically skilled one.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=TTjr46VE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-07T14:13:48.781+0000) > > Blunt as it may seem, it is *always* your fault. You -- and only you -- are in control of your behavior and how you respond to situations that may be frustrating or enraging. It is on you to find another way to deal with those emotions than abusing other players in chat. > > *League* is a team game. If you are being abusive to your team and putting the victory screen that far over the experience of your fellow players, than you are not playing *League* the way it is meant to be played, and the removal of rewards is one of Riot's ways to enforce that stance. Put simply, if your rise to the top comes at the expense of players you've trashed in-chat the entire way, you are *not* a good *League* player -- only a mechanically skilled one. You are throwing around the term abuse withought realizing the full extent of what it means, and imo de valuing the meaning of the word.
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=0DESTROYERZ0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=0008000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-07T04:14:57.575+0000) > > Did not call my team garbage twice, I did it one time at the end. I may have callled the top laner garbage, idk or it may have been one of those remarks that you sort of make under your breath, not directed towards anyone. Or it may have been a response saying that something was garbage. I don’t know because it was only my chat logs that were given to me. I am not naive, why do you feel the need to be so aggressive? You're playing dumb as in "i don't have the slightest clue why I got punished for calling my team garbage", I ask you not to play naive, and you think I am aggressive? I'm not the one toxic here, I'm just the one calling you out. Look, it's justified, you broke the rules, got punished, end of story. Move on.
> [{quoted}](name=Fegone,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=00080000000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T15:03:45.973+0000) > > You're playing dumb as in "i don't have the slightest clue why I got punished for calling my team garbage", > I ask you not to play naive, and you think I am aggressive? I'm not the one toxic here, I'm just the one calling you out. > > Look, it's justified, you broke the rules, got punished, end of story. Move on. Your acting like calling your team garbage is going to make them sad for the next weak. It honestly means nothing and you are being brainwashed by riot and half the people on this boards lol.
: Deberia riot separa el reward de ranked y honor/ should riot separate ranked reward and honor reward
: Purely to play devils advocate here because I totally agree with what you're saying and think there should be some form of change: Punishments being more severe toward the end of the season seem more appropriate because the stakes of the games are higher and player tensions are higher. If slaps on the wrist were all that was enforced toxicity would go through the roof. People are trying to grind out their desired rank more and more aggressively and as time winds down each game counts for more and more because the finite number of them left is felt much more to the player. Therefore a higher level of punishment toward the end of season to curb abuse is justified. I think the answer lies somewhere in between but currently I believe the punishment is too harsh in the majority of cases. Obviously some people pop off so hard they deserve the full loss but most don't and should be given some kind of chance.
> [{quoted}](name=Très Pauvre,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ExEktt67,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-07T04:30:15.307+0000) > > Purely to play devils advocate here because I totally agree with what you're saying and think there should be some form of change: > > Punishments being more severe toward the end of the season seem more appropriate because the stakes of the games are higher and player tensions are higher. If slaps on the wrist were all that was enforced toxicity would go through the roof. People are trying to grind out their desired rank more and more aggressively and as time winds down each game counts for more and more because the finite number of them left is felt much more to the player. Therefore a higher level of punishment toward the end of season to curb abuse is justified. > > I think the answer lies somewhere in between but currently I believe the punishment is too harsh in the majority of cases. Obviously some people pop off so hard they deserve the full loss but most don't and should be given some kind of chance. You generalize punishments as 1 thing, but riot has stated, to me at least, that chat restrictions are used as warnings. If that truly is the intention, then the honor level decreasing should really not be attached and the 10 game chat restriction should be the only thing you need to go through.
ADRall (NA)
: I was hoping to be contacted by a member of the staff, not the neckbeards who spend time posting on these subforums
> [{quoted}](name=ADRall,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=I6XhfOEs,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-11-07T04:53:22.323+0000) > > I was hoping to be contacted by a member of the staff, not the neckbeards who spend time posting on these subforums Oof
: I guess I have to rephrase: The _principle_ is not new. Getting punished near the end of the season will result in the forfeiture of end-of-season rewards, just as it has in previous years. What _is_ new is the parameters being tied to Honor Level, which, as stated, is not arbitrary. There are some other small details/consequences of that change, but, largely, the principle itself - that getting punished at the tail-end of the season would result in loss of rewards - is exactly the same as it has been in previous years.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nYuOHbe5,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-11-07T12:46:01.326+0000) > > I guess I have to rephrase: The _principle_ is not new. Getting punished near the end of the season will result in the forfeiture of end-of-season rewards, just as it has in previous years. > > What _is_ new is the parameters being tied to Honor Level, which, as stated, is not arbitrary. There are some other small details/consequences of that change, but, largely, the principle itself - that getting punished at the tail-end of the season would result in loss of rewards - is exactly the same as it has been in previous years. Getting a ban, which is reserved for extreme negativity, did not receive rewards in the past. Riot has said themselves, the chat restriction is to serve as a warning. Wether that warrants losing all your honor and having the penalties last for a couple of months, it’s not my decision to make. But by using the broad term punishment, you are lumping in the actual toxic people that play this game just to anger others with people that may have had a bad game and got punished.
: > [{quoted}](name=0DESTROYERZ0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=000b000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T03:30:43.754+0000) > > Well I mean I looked at their own rules. I don’t know why you are getting so defensive and mad about it? I’m not lying to myself, you didn’t prove either of the 2 things you said I did from my chat log, so I am assuming you are coming here to flame me like every other comment here. Oh, it was the garbage team comment, and calling braum an idiot. I cant prove your all chat intentions, but it looked friendly, so it seemed like you were being friendly to the enemy while insulting your own team in an attempt to belittle them and let it be known that youre not at fault, its your garbage team. But i cant prove that and i dont care anyways. The important part is that you understand what riot considers toxic, thats all. No anger pal, just slight frustration that youre not getting it lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=000b0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T06:33:57.213+0000) > > Oh, it was the garbage team comment, and calling braum an idiot. I cant prove your all chat intentions, but it looked friendly, so it seemed like you were being friendly to the enemy while insulting your own team in an attempt to belittle them and let it be known that youre not at fault, its your garbage team. But i cant prove that and i dont care anyways. The important part is that you understand what riot considers toxic, thats all. No anger pal, just slight frustration that youre not getting it lol. Yea probably because my intention going into the game wasn’t to belittle anyone? I don’t think you get it. Was a normal game till 15 minutes where I believed that we should ff. Didn’t ff and talking in all chat later was either responding to something the enemy said, and mostly responding to my support in all chat lol. I know what he says has no effect, but that is the reasoning behind that. Also I wasn’t tryin to say anyone is at fault otherwise I would have said the game is so and sos fault... I called braum an idiot not because he was playing bad but because he was lying about what happened in the early game imo. Again, I KNOW this does not sum in to what I said but I’m just adding it in. Also you pulled 2 things out of what I said, therefore you think that deserves a chat ban? Also riot never uses the word toxic ever, that is a boards thing. I’m frustrated that you don’t get it.
: > LIke, someone has been playing hundreds and hundreds of games to get gold 5, and then got one chat restriction and lose every thing he worked on? seriously? 3 games ? 2 hours of a bad behaviour, and u lose 300 days of playing xD?? This isn't new. Riot has had players made ineligible for end of season rewards in past years due to getting punishments near the season's end - the only difference is the parameters aren't arbitrary. Getting punished near the end of the season pretty much guarantees you don't get rewards. It's been that way for a while, I dunno why people are acting like it's new. > To be honest, chat restriction should be just a warning, not a punishment. It's both. > Also, toxicity shouldn't be a bannable thing... Says you. The majority of people, unsurprisingly, do not like toxicity, and Riot doesn't welcome toxicity in their community. Whether you like it or not, toxicity _is_ a bannable offense. > ...u have the mute buton... The mute feature is not an excuse for poor behavior. It's a short term mitigation tool that is best used in tandem with the long-term mitigation tool. The report feature. We have the mute button, we also have the report button. Now what? > ...also, very often the toxic players are the only good ones in the team and are trying to win the game... I have seldom seen a toxic player be good at the game, let alone the _only_ skilled player on the team. But, if they're so good at the game and so hell-bent on winning, why would they waste their skill and energy on being toxic? Toxicity doesn't help you win. > ...u cannot fix a player who is inting and trolling, there isn't a button for that. You have the report button, use it. You may not be able to stop them in the immediate sense, but reporting trolls can almost certainly lead to them getting a punishment for their misbehavior. Just, y'know. Don't stoop to their level and start being toxic as well. That does more harm than good.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nYuOHbe5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-07T09:31:33.708+0000) > > This isn't new. Riot has had players made ineligible for end of season rewards in past years due to getting punishments near the season's end - the only difference is the parameters aren't arbitrary. > > Getting punished near the end of the season pretty much guarantees you don't get rewards. It's been that way for a while, I dunno why people are acting like it's new. > > It's both. > > Says you. The majority of people, unsurprisingly, do not like toxicity, and Riot doesn't welcome toxicity in their community. Whether you like it or not, toxicity _is_ a bannable offense. > > The mute feature is not an excuse for poor behavior. It's a short term mitigation tool that is best used in tandem with the long-term mitigation tool. The report feature. > > We have the mute button, we also have the report button. Now what? > > I have seldom seen a toxic player be good at the game, let alone the _only_ skilled player on the team. But, if they're so good at the game and so hell-bent on winning, why would they waste their skill and energy on being toxic? Toxicity doesn't help you win. > > You have the report button, use it. You may not be able to stop them in the immediate sense, but reporting trolls can almost certainly lead to them getting a punishment for their misbehavior. > > Just, y'know. Don't stoop to their level and start being toxic as well. That does more harm than good. It actually is new, in previous seasons you can’t have a ban a few months prior or a an ACTIVE chat restriction. Now it’s all based on honor and when you get a chat restriction, you are bumped down to honor 1 and are punished for about 1-2 months depending on how many honors you get.
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=0DESTROYERZ0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-11-06T21:31:43.562+0000) > > mind telling me what was toxic instead of just saying toxic? you called your team garbage. twice. don't play naive.
> [{quoted}](name=Fegone,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=000800000001,timestamp=2018-11-07T04:10:30.689+0000) > > you called your team garbage. twice. > don't play naive. Did not call my team garbage twice, I did it one time at the end. I may have callled the top laner garbage, idk or it may have been one of those remarks that you sort of make under your breath, not directed towards anyone. Or it may have been a response saying that something was garbage. I don’t know because it was only my chat logs that were given to me. I am not naive, why do you feel the need to be so aggressive?
: ITS A JOKE OMG nvm you right I deserve this suspension your comment just proved to me how literal you all take everything. Its a video game and I'm some random user why not take everything I say with a grain of salt. Why take everything I say as a direct attack towards you. I cannot be the only one who didn't see the comedic value of that comment. Please tell me there is hope.
> [{quoted}](name=Šcuba Števe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MNuIIKFR,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T03:57:48.698+0000) > > ITS A JOKE OMG > nvm you right I deserve this suspension your comment just proved to me how literal you all take everything. Its a video game and I'm some random user why not take everything I say with a grain of salt. Why take everything I say as a direct attack towards you. > I cannot be the only one who didn't see the comedic value of that comment. Please tell me there is hope. With the attitude you are displaying right now, I don’t think there is much hope :(
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Booya711 (NA)
: Honor and Punishments
Frankly you put this in better words than I ever could. Hopefully this post gets a lot of visibility and the negative people frequent this part of the boards don’t feel the urge to try and bring down the quality of this post. One thing I thought about is how the chat restriction is supposed to be a very minor punishment, but it has lasting effects of several months, and in both of our cases, deleting an entire years worth of effort. It is very discouraging to see all my honorable deeds be put under the 1 bad game, because in my case just like yours, it actually was 1 bad game.
: wow you just said "kys" someone suspend this guys account. "kys" is zero tolerance dont matter who or how you said it. -MrFawknSunshine
> [{quoted}](name=Šcuba Števe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MNuIIKFR,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-11-07T03:40:40.580+0000) > > wow you just said "kys" someone suspend this guys account. > "kys" is zero tolerance dont matter who or how you said it. -MrFawknSunshine Nvm then you deserved your suspension...
Kei143 (NA)
: Is this ... a troll post? Cos it sure seems like one.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MNuIIKFR,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-07T03:05:13.350+0000) > > Is this ... a troll post? Cos it sure seems like one. I think this is a troll comment
: End of season Honor and Chat Restrictions
One thing I find funny is they say a chat restriction is supposed to be a very small punishment, but it’s effects are lasting for months. its ridiculous when you think about how your reformation depends on wether your teammates honor you or not. Riot probably doesn’t even look at your chat logs to see if you are reforming. All that matters is the result, getting honors, not how you got there.
: > [{quoted}](name=0DESTROYERZ0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2018-11-07T01:21:35.645+0000) > > A. was not buddy buddy with anyone, have no idea where you got that from. B. i actually did look up the summoners code and unless you consider what i said "tearing" my teammates down then i did nothing wrong. after reading your response i believe you do not know what you are talking about. Now you know You can lie to me all you want but for your own good, stop lying to yourself. Youll never learn. Are you saying im wrong somehow? That you still think you didnt break any rules? If so, youre only hurting yourself. You can deny all you want, and its fine to disagree with Riots bullshit rules. But Im telling you what they consider toxic and it doesnt seem to be registering with you. So is it just an ego thing cuz i said it was douchey and now you cant back down? If so, Im sorry. Please heed my words for your own good and dont take it personal.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qcFUpPQA,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T03:03:40.957+0000) > > You can lie to me all you want but for your own good, stop lying to yourself. Youll never learn. Are you saying im wrong somehow? That you still think you didnt break any rules? If so, youre only hurting yourself. You can deny all you want, and its fine to disagree with Riots bullshit rules. But Im telling you what they consider toxic and it doesnt seem to be registering with you. So is it just an ego thing cuz i said it was douchey and now you cant back down? If so, Im sorry. Please heed my words for your own good and dont take it personal. Well I mean I looked at their own rules. I don’t know why you are getting so defensive and mad about it? I’m not lying to myself, you didn’t prove either of the 2 things you said I did from my chat log, so I am assuming you are coming here to flame me like every other comment here.
: End of season Honor and Chat Restrictions
i totally understand, try sending in a ticket to riot games and see if they will help out
: I got suspended. And I hardly think I deserve it.
the kys and whatever you put beneath it is what triggered what ever punishment you recieved. If both those this were directed to your friend and riot can somehow confirm that, i think you could get it repealed but at this point i dont know anymore
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