: With certain champions, in the particular case I just described with top laners in mind, {{item:3035}} may deal more damage, but {{item:3071}} is just more *helpful*.
Yeah, sure. Utility is a consideration. But LW isn't an item that you want to replace with more damage.
: ...At what point did I say {{item:3035}} was bad? I was referring to those that stack {{item:3071}}, {{item:3035}}, and {{item:3142}} without looking at what the enemy team could be building to mitigate this high armor piercing damage - health, which is why I brought up {{item:3153}}. Never said it was bad, just offered my reasoning, seeing that I main top, {{item:3071}} lets me "support" the AD on my team with killing off key targets. I only tend to build {{item:3035}} when I'm playing full assassin/marksman, not when I'm backing up my team, but I can see damage point here, and I certainly can see this item as a strong purchase, I merely prefer {{item:3071}}, {{item:3142}} for what they offer to me, {{item:3035}} becoming "redundant" after I have purchased the two above, again, not that its bad, I simply prefer it on marksmen or certain assassins, those who are looking to simply carry, rather then be for the for the team.
When you say that LW is redundant and can be replaced by more damage, you imply that there are items which are better for damage. Generally speaking, there aren't.
: Not with dada777, LPL is not that much ahead of NA / EU, I wouldn't be surprise if Fnatic takes a game off OMG, I can see LMQ beating OMG as well, LMQ had done that before they came to the US. China is the most overrated region IMO, NA and EU are behind Korea yes, but they aren't that far behind China.
OOC, what's your take on the Chinese Hype Train post worlds?
: [Just look at a few charts for me,](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140221113726/leagueoflegends/images/d/d2/35perc_Pen_Dmg_Scaling.png) [and you will start to see what I'm getting at here.](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140316081523/leagueoflegends/images/a/ac/Last_Whisper_Efficiency_Curve_%28Final%29.png) Less armor = less effective pen, you'd be better off with raw damage and crits against your intended targets, which are carries, who won't have much armor anyway. You would only need two armor pen items, (One of which should be {{item:3142}}.) to take care of carries, and you could toss in a {{item:3153}} along with your armor pen to take of bruisers/tanks after you have killed off any carries. Not saying {{item:3035}} is bad, there is just hardly a need to even stack {{item:3142}}, {{item:3071}}, and {{item:3035}}, unless they are armor-stacking, and chances are, they won't. More then likely, they will stack health, which is were crits and {{item:3153}} come into play. {{item:3071}} starts paying for itself when your AD carries, not just you, can also benefit from the armor reduction on targets.
That chart's horrible. Is that gold efficiency? Slot efficiency? What does AD have to do with the question? Is this only taking into account auto attacks (different champions scale differently with AD, and some champs deal physical damage that scales with AP/Health/Rank/Level)? Either it's formatted horribly, or you're not giving me vital context. Regardless, LW is a phenomenally good item, even against low armor carries. It's even more effective against tanks, sure, but you shouldn't take that to mean it isn't also the best option against ADCs. --- I'll use Draven as an illustrative example, since he's relatively similar in terms of how he outputs damage (repeated empowered autos) and I've already taken the time to calc his optimal build paths. Assume that you're attacking a squishy, mid level ADC - ~1650 health, ~65 armor. For every 1000 gold you spend, the following builds are giving you X DPS - Youmuu's BotRK - 198.6 Youmuu's Shiv - 179.6 Youmuu's IE - 212.3 Youmuu's LW - 396.7 You'll notice that one of these builds sticks out from the others. But let's also consider how these items effect your burst damage output - just a full spell rotation and an auto for good measure, plus any item actives. Again, per 1000 gold spent, you're getting the following values of burst damage. Youmuu's BotRK - 290.1 Youmuu's Shiv - 248.4 Youmuu's IE - 291.6 Youmuu's LW - 631.6 Again, there's a bit of a conspicuous outlier. Keep in mind, this is gold efficiency against the squishiest target you could hope for - LW only gets better and better as the targets get tankier. Now, I'm not saying that these values are exactly identical for Rengar, but I strongly doubt that he's able to use Crit chance twice as effectively as Draven. If you're dealing a bunch of physical damage, Youmuu's LW is going to bring the pain like no other two items. **tl;dr - No, really, LW is a really good item.**
: This one isn't bad, but once you get {{item:3071}}, and/or {{item:3142}}, you don't need much more armor pen, so {{item:3035}} is kind of redundant, and can be replaced with more damage, or crits. Again thanks for this~
Last Whisper is pretty much the best damage item for every AD champion by default. You have 'enough' Armor Pen when armor pen stops giving you better payback than AD/AS/whatever, and that's not going to happen before you have a LW. It also 'multiplies' the effectiveness of flat pen, since percentile penetration is applied first, which makes it great when used alongside Brutalizer et al.
: It's not a champion guide, but I still consider it the best one I've read. http://www.solomid.net/guide/view/29322-generic-build-guide-by-tapobu It looks at playing league from a more broad teamwork perspective. Providing information and tips for facilitating teamwork, interacting with team mates (the good and bad), as well as tactical tips for identifying and exploiting player tendencies (allied and enemy). Perhaps the most valuable part of the guide, is the application it gives for dealing with toxic players (from the rage-quitter, to Troll, to OMGWTFYOUSUCKREPORTED!). I've recommended this guide countless times before, and I will continue to do so in the future. :D
Damn, that was the first guide that popped into my mind, too.
: Your favorite champion builds your new house.
{{champion:28}} I imagine that it'd be a pretty popular place, but it might be difficult to find some privacy.
: Fav hexakill champions
As on SR, {{champion:150}} is a freakin' beast. The cramped quarters make it incredibly easy to land ults, and his Q means that he'll never face check, even without wards. He's also not very reliant on farm, since he gets so damn tanky just from his passive, and he does massive damage just with a brutalizer.
: UU champions would be champions like Sivir or Nidalee. Champions like Kog, Karma, and Xerath would all be BL. Now that I think about it, the majority of the champion pool would be BL. Powerful enough, but not top tier because Riot doesn't think they're worth balancing for whatever reason. Gen V NU was my Space Jam. Loved that tier. When Jynx/Primeape/Scolipede dropped, my teambuilding didn't really change much because I already ran faster teams with more power than most of the other guys did. I hate used top tier picks, at least top pick sets, so I would use stuff like Purugly, Specs Raichu, LO Sawk, Chesto Rest Sp. D. Throh. AV Carracosta has to be my favorite set of this gen though. It hits relatively hard and actually took a grass knot from something (can't remember what) I was hella stoked though. And it gets Aqua jet :D. basically a bulkier Kabutops.
What's most interesting to me is that an UU tier in League could reveal a lot about how the playerbase as a whole perceives champion power. Gnar, Irelia, Nidalee, and Kassadin have lower pick rates than *Nasus.* If we draw the line at 10%, we could end up with a metagame completely dominated by top laners, because four of the best tops in the game (and plausibly the single best champion in the game if Ryze nerfs go through) are inexplicably underplayed, while Riven is basically filling the same role that Electivire did in RU. Meanwhile, bot lane would be like Rapid Spinners in NU - there are so few good ones, and they're so essential to any team, that it'd be almost inconceivable for a good ADC or Support to actually fall all the way to lower tiers. Imagine how mismatched teams could be - you could have a godly poke core with Rumble, Xerath and Kog'Maw, but you'd be forced to run crap like Maokai jungle and Lulu support because there are no other good options. Like, you said that Kog'Maw would be borderline. And I agree, that's where he *should* be. But he's currently being picked less than fuckin' Quinn. He'd be the Dugtrio of League - an OU caliber champion that falls to NU because people don't recognize that he has a niche to fill at the highest level. Actually, fuck. Now I really, really want to play UU League. I feel like it'd be a really interesting experiment to learn more about how we see the game.
: And yet most pokemon have niches that they can be used in in other tiers that aren't OU. (It's the smogon in me talking ._.) Most champions just collect dust. I was a Viktor main up until very recently, when I realized that the rework has no chance against every champion he used to do decently against. It's almost like every other champion is in UU, while like, 17 are in OU/Ubers and crowd out everybody else (as an imprecise analogy, not trying to invalidate my comment about niches).
I mean, I played NU exclusively for quite some time, and even there there were a solid couple hundred of mons that were basically nonviable, or just outclassed. Every single subforum on that site has a tier list stickied. Like, after Jinx and Primeape dropped in 5th gen, literally every scarfer with <95 speed just stopped being a viable pick. Altho now that I think about it more, what do you think an UU tier would look like in League? It'd be kinda interesting to see LoL where only champs with below 6% pick rate were allowed, or whatever.
: How many wards per game is considered good?
There isn't one number. You need enough greens to avoid getting picked, and enough pinks to force your opponents to make poor decisions. If you or your teammates are bad at placing wards, you probably need more. Always switch to red trinket on your first or second back, unless you're the ADC.
: He/she means that Aatrox is pushing out old champions by being stronger than them, not that Aatrox is an old champion.
: > Shyvana is pretty much always going to win in a debate about carrying games from the jungle. Lee Sin says hi. Seriously there has never been anyone better in the jungle than Lee Sin. He wins duels, out ganks everyone, skirmishes like a God and makes easy picks with his ult and helps dominate vision by picking up a sightstone to further make crazy plays. No one beats Lee Sin in the jungle, and never will as long as his kit remains the poster boy for how to make a broken champ.
Firstly, I want to point out that whatever Lee Sin is, he is not a carry. His scaling is shit - if Lee Sin 'wins' a game, it's through getting his laners so ahead that they can carry him. Since the OP seems interested in actually being the farmed dude in the middle of the teamfight, I don't think Lee Sin is really that helpful a suggestion. Secondly, I get the impression that you don't play Lee Sin. That fucker is more mythologized than King Arthur. >He wins duels This isn't the golden rule it once was. With the removal of the attack speed slow on his E, he loses a lot of his potency vs. auto attack oriented junglers. A Nocturne with good spell shield mechanics will screw over a Lee Sin in a 1v1. Elise always has outplay potential because of her spider E and ranged autos. Volibear just eats anybody in a 1v1 as long as his passive is up. Amumu with Quill Coat is pretty much impossible for Lee to kill in a fair fight. There are a lot of options available to you if you want to outduel Lee Sin these days. >out ganks everyone Except for Rammus, Elise, Xin Zhao, Shaco, Pantheon... >No one beats Lee Sin in the jungle, and never will as long as his kit remains the poster boy for how to make a broken champ. And Arthur lived in a glorious castle with his wizard friend, Merlin.
Nahui (NA)
: Viktor optimal playstyle
Not personally a Viktor player, but Quas has a 75% win rate on the champ with 4+ average KDA, so it might be worth trying out his build. Near as I remember, he builds tier 2 augment, and then rushes Lucidity Boots/Rylai's. After that, he tends to build any three of Deathcap, Void Staff, Lich Bane, Athene's or Zhonya's, depending on the game. He doesn't augment his W until full build.
: > Because she's capable of higher gold income than pretty much any other jungler, and she's extremely versatile in how she can use that lead - she's an excellent duelist, she's got great teamfight presence, she can force fights even under turrets, and she pressures baron like no other. > > She only stops being unstoppable once you hit the point where both junglers have 6 items, at which point there are legitimate arguments to be had (full build jungle Twitch with a 30 stack FF is pretty good, for example) - but what makes her such a great carry is that she tends to be well ahead of her opponents in gold. Is this a joke? Shyvana is extremely mediocre in the jungle.
: I agree with the whole new "two passives" thing. Aatrox; attack speed and free GA, Yasuo; double crit and sheild, Azir; tower and attack speed from cdr. And Riot thinks it's cool to change Cassiopeia just because they want to try something new. Apparently informally nerfing underplayed champions is the new way of balancing the game.
Damn that OP as shit Aatrox, crowding out all the old champions.
Xemeron (NA)
: I have no problem with RIOT balancing to enforce a meta
>"Yeah, you could do good with Champ F, but you could as well pick champ A and do better with the same effort." I'm struggling to think of a competitive online game where this isn't the case. Just replace 'Champ' with 'Card' or 'Pokemon' and it remains true. There will always be an optimized way of doing things.
: Weird/Uncommon/Potentially Utterly Useless Builds
SotD IE Malphite is pretty hilarious. For when you want a squishy dead™.
: There is always the problem though of China's "no bones-too spooky" policy
I don't think it's a matter of spookiness so much as it's culturally offensive. Like, Riot probably wouldn't release Slave Holder Azir with black soldiers because of the cultural context of US history. Dunno if it's the perfect analogy, but that's my general understanding of the issue.
: Jungling? Shyvana or Elise
As much as it pains me to say it, Elise is in a pretty shitty spot right now. I'm pretty sure that Riot's nerfed literally every ability she has by now, and the ancient golem changes really sucked for her. *Maybe* the preseason changes will help bring her back a bit, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Also, I personally expect Shyv to be a pretty top tier jungler if the current PBE changes make it to live. So, I'd suggest focusing more on her. -former Elise main
: Nothing wrong with GX...unless it the English dub.
Oh, yeah, definitely. I only watched one or two episodes in English before I switched to the sub version. The English VAs are so... cringey.
Rew711 (NA)
: Hey, yeah, so... Kalista is supposedly on the PBE...
On the PBE right now; Kalista is not there.
: > Shyvana is pretty much always going to win in a debate about carrying games from the jungle. why do you say that if i may ask?
Because she's capable of higher gold income than pretty much any other jungler, and she's extremely versatile in how she can use that lead - she's an excellent duelist, she's got great teamfight presence, she can force fights even under turrets, and she pressures baron like no other. She only stops being unstoppable once you hit the point where both junglers have 6 items, at which point there are legitimate arguments to be had (full build jungle Twitch with a 30 stack FF is pretty good, for example) - but what makes her such a great carry is that she tends to be well ahead of her opponents in gold.
: From a carrying the game perspective, is Skarner Jungle better than Shyvana Jungle?
Shyvana is pretty much always going to win in a debate about carrying games from the jungle.
bunies (NA)
: has anyone realised how insane the damage on viktor is yet ?
Yep, it's pretty hilarious. I'm just counting the weeks 'till he becomes FotM.
darkdill (NA)
: She might still get all angsty when MF or Sona flaunt their cleavage around. I mean, Lux has GOT to feel inadequate by comparison. :(
Both the fact that you think Lux is flat and that you consider it a reason to feel inadequate or frustrated is somewhat disturbing.
darkdill (NA)
: There's always the possibility that she wears padding. Besides, she's not nearly as big as Sona or MF.
>Besides, she's not nearly as big as Sona or MF. Heaven forbid.
Havoc310 (NA)
: Relic Shield being for melee supports only
To prevent double relic shield lanes from ever returning.
MineToxx (EUW)
: Where can I access to announcer voice files, and are they free to use ?
I assume that they're in Riot Games\League of Legends\RADS\projects\lol_game_client_en_us (or whatever your region/language is)\managedfiles, alongside the champions VOs.
: Maybe not all you need, but they are good choices. But mirai nikki, Working!! and Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's are my personal favorites.
I'm more a fan of yugioh GX, personally. I'd also highly suggest Death Note - it's by far the best I've ever seen.
: How good is Gnar?
Incredibly good, probably the best top laner if the Ryze nerfs go through next patch.
: Here is what I think is the major problem with Sona, and Riot PLEASE at least look at this because it took me a while to phrase this properly: Sona no longer has a type of carry that she supports well. Before Sona's rework, she functioned excellently in poke compositions (because she had a lot of up-front magic damage on a low cooldown and she gave her allies extra damage on their poke spells) and in burst compositions (because she increased a champions burst statistics and she also provided a large window to crush someone with Crescendo). Now, however, we look at the landscape of marksmen today. Burst marksmen don't do nearly as much damage in the mid game as they used to, because BT was nerfed and Sona can no longer grant that sweet 20 AD that really did feel like it increased their damage over all. The 1.5 seconds that Sona can lock someone down for don't feel nearly as strong for Graves, Caitlyn or Ezreal as it used to. Well, what about in poke compositions? No, Sona is sadly less used there as well, because her base damage has been lowered on her Q, the extra damage on her Power Chord Staccato was nerfed, and her Q has a longer cooldown. Now, it does have more damage than it used to if everyone in the group autos with the Q aura, but keeping someone OUT of auto range is what poke comps are for. So that doesn't help there either. It SEEMS like Sona was designed to support the new sustained damage auto-attacker carry types. And she does. She has a shield to help assist in trades that also heals based on how low you are, giving you the option to turn it around if your carry can pump out consistent high damage. She also empowers an auto, which can help with trading as well. Here's the problem there: Sona's peel is awful. Seriously. It is. She's not as good in Protect the Trist comps as Janna, and she's not as good at securing kills for her sustained damage carries in the laning phase as Braum or Leona or Nami. In other words, Sona is shoved out in the place she was reworked to be good in, not because she's not good at what she does, but because everyone else is better at it. So there you go, Stattik. I'm not sure how else to say it, but Sona feels bad to play as because every time I play her I think "I could be doing this way better if I was Nami".
>Sona no longer has a type of carry that she supports well. I don't really agree. She's a monster in lane when used alongside ADCs with the ability to apply on hit effects at long range - Caitlyn and Ezreal stand out in particular. Nami is the only champion with at all similar utility in lane, but she has significantly lower damage output than Sona in exchange for better peel. Where yeah, Sona doesn't offer as much outside of lane as a Nami or a Janna, but that's because she's a laning champion - it's not dissimilar to the relationship between LeBlanc and Kassadin, back when they were both OP. The decreased utility is made up for by the fact that you win virtually every trade by default, so you're hitting the mid game further ahead than you would with Nami. Also, her W is incredibly for siege comps in my experience, since it lets your team duck in for one or two autos even when minions aren't present. Sorta like a miniature Bloodthirster in terms of the siege utility it offers. Overall, my limited experience with Sona is that she's very fun to play, extremely strong to lane, but decent to bad in the mid to late game (discounting the possibility of 5 man crescendos). I see her as filling a fairly clear niche in the support ecosystem, and don't necessarily think she's in need of changes. (as an aside, do you have an account on the GitP forums, by any chance?)
Hayaishi (NA)
: > > Kha Zix 2 shots isolated squishies late game, he's fine. > > and what kind of bronze squishy exists that will be caught in the jungle alone without wards late game? For that is the only way that anyone can be truly 'isolated' Oh yes the classic. "Everyone plays perfectly and will never make mistakes" arguments.
The fact that it's theoretically possible to shut down a champion without even directly interacting with them is troubling in itself, whether or not it's a particularly common occurrence.
chumbler (NA)
: > > > The bottom line for reworks is those who play them now will usually not like it unless it's a buff overall. Those who don't play them will, again unless it's top much of a buff. > > > > Actually reworks rarely bring in a lasting number of new players. You get a few in the first couple weeks and then they drop off to maybe only slightly higher numbers. Or in the case of Cassiopeia, much lower. Usually because the reworked champion isn't any better and will be forgotten by Riot, or they're actually worse than before. Exceptions of course being when a rework has absolutely absurd numbers because Riot is terrible at balance, and in those cases Riot swiftly beats down the champion to worse than they were before. > > > > Reworks are nearly universally a bad thing for a champion. > > The {{champion:101}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:11}} were pretty good. Riot is just a little to quick to do them. {{champion:79}} and{{champion:76}} were ok because they played a lot different from what they were but, had new uses. Of the three you claim were "pretty good" only Xerath has any real presence. Yi and Heimer are complete no shows and nonfactors in most games they're in outside of "Anything works including AP Garen" levels of play. 90% of the time "rework" just means "Your champion is about to get a lot worse unless we fuck up and are actually competent for once."
>90% of the time "rework" just means "Your champion is about to get a lot worse unless we fuck up and are actually competent for once." {{champion:79}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:101}} were all top tier picks at some point following their reworks. {{champion:37}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:74}} were decent to good after their reworks. I'm curious which other 90 reworks you're thinking of.
: Leauge - 30% skill, 70% strategy?
I'd say it's about 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name.
NoMonku (NA)
: I don't like it. I would honestly just pick Ghost/Flash as an ADC instead because of the amazing kite/cleanse ability. Sure I won't have heal anymore, but support can take it and mid can take exhaust if its needed. A better option would probably be to remove flash as it is such a staple for everything, but I don't think this solution would be good either, as it would make the game less mobile and make anyone without gap closers significantly worse.
> A better option would probably be to remove flash as it is such a staple for everything, but I don't think this solution would be good either, as it would make the game less mobile and make anyone without gap closers significantly worse. Another consideration is whether or not that would make the game more enjoyable. I personally think that the gameplay offered by flash and the instant tactical repositioning it provides is much more interesting (and fun) than the gameplay offered by 'Press D to do damage' or 'Press D to take less damage.'
: I can think of a lot of reasons: - Riot doesn´t care enough about Communication to think about their Communication in the first place, thus things like this happen - Riot doesn´t like the new Boards for Communication, though creating them specially for this very reason - Riot doesn´t know how/want to deal with constructive criticism and thinks reddit isn´t as full of critical thinking as the Boards - Tryndamere for some reasons thinks an AMA with the CO of a company is a private thing and not an official representation of that company (which it is) Your Answer would at least support #1 and #4.
More likely, however, it's because it was the people on the 3rd party site who wanted an AMA.
Xonra (NA)
: > I just want to clarify - do you want an alert for AMAs *only*? 'Cause any given Rioter is liable to share some sort of information in a random Reddit thread, and I got the impression you essentially wanted the red tracker expanded to Reddit. > > If it's just AMAs (and you don't want to go to S@20 for whatever reason), then sure, whatever. But you're going to not be told about a lot of interactions, even with that feature. You are literally missing the entire point, either to be argumentative or you are....actually missing the point somehow. The entire point is (and has been for over a year now) that why would those of us that primarily prefer the LEAGUE OF LEGENDS forums go to reddit for LEAGUE OF LEGENDS related content? If you want to post on Reddit well, okay then, but why isn't is either 1) posted here first or 2) posted here after or during? I come here because...this is the LEAGUE OF LEGENDS website. I'm not playing League of Reddit. It quite literally splits the community between the Reddit..ers...and those of us here, being actually loyal to this website and giving it traffic. What is the point of taking the time to have these boards and FORCING people away from GD (by closing it down and making it read only) if the damn co-founder of Riot isn't even going to bother posting here? Some people say this community is bad, but I'm sorry, Reddit is FAR worse. You could post the nicest most helpful thread and it will for literally no reason get downvoted to oblivion and 95% of the responses will have jack and shit to do with the actual topic after one person says some off the wall comment. Then you get some "Reddit superstar" or a pro player or something posting something, doesn't matter the subject matter, and that shit will be front page. Could be Scarra shaving his balls and the Reddit people will upvote that mess over something actually useful. Reddit is the biggest circlejerk of a community. Also...it isn't the LEAGUE OF LEGENDS website, so nothing else should really matter past that.
> If you want to post on Reddit well, okay then, but why isn't is either 1) posted here first or 2) posted here after or during? Answer to the literal meaning of your post - that'd be a logistical pain in the ass and there's no way of giving context that's better than just viewing Reddit itself. Answer assuming you're only talking about this particular AMA - this AMA by Tryndamere was in response to people on Reddit asking for it. To the best of my knowledge, nobody on the boards has expressed interest in a Tryndamere AMA. He's marketing his product to the consumer base that has the highest demand for it - hardly unusual. And how do your propose presenting the content of an entire AMA on this site such that is's as easy (or even easier) to read/understand as a link to the Reddit thread? >I come here because...this is the LEAGUE OF LEGENDS website. I'm not playing League of Reddit. >-snip rant- >Also...it isn't the LEAGUE OF LEGENDS website, so nothing else should really matter past that. I really don't want to get into a discussion of Reddit vs. Boards. Anyways, if tens of thousands of fans decide they want to talk about Riot's game together, why on earth would Riot not want to encourage it? Reddit (and by extension, all significant 3rd party communities in LoL) are fantastic for the game and the playerbase as a whole. Refusing to interact with them just because they aren't owned by Riot would be a phenomenally poor decision.
: > I just want to clarify - do you want an alert for AMAs *only*? 'Cause any given Rioter is liable to share some sort of information in a random Reddit thread, and I got the impression you essentially wanted the red tracker expanded to Reddit. > > If it's just AMAs (and you don't want to go to S@20 for whatever reason), then sure, whatever. But you're going to not be told about a lot of interactions, even with that feature. President of Riot makes an AMA on Reddit about Riot's communication. Could you think of any other thread that needed to at least be mentioned on the boards MORE than that?
: Oh well...if you go through the trouble creating these new Boards pretending it´s because the old ones hadn´t been good enough for communication - and then go and host your AMA on Communication on a 3rd Party Side instead on your very own "Community-Platform"... For me this does rise some questions.
>For me this does rise some questions. And the obvious answer is, it was the people on the 3rd party site who wanted an AMA.
Daen (NA)
: >If they've never done anything like that before, then I can't evaluate whether it's realistic to expect it of them. If writing a thread linking to something external is not realistic to expect of them, we have bigger problems. >That said, given that S@20 already provides exactly the service you ask for for free, and anyone who wants to see what's happening on Reddit can do so, I'm not really convinced that it's something worth Riot investing in. How is this an investment, exactly? Literally all it would be is a Rioter writing a quick post on the Boards when an AMA starts.
I just want to clarify - do you want an alert for AMAs *only*? 'Cause any given Rioter is liable to share some sort of information in a random Reddit thread, and I got the impression you essentially wanted the red tracker expanded to Reddit. If it's just AMAs (and you don't want to go to S@20 for whatever reason), then sure, whatever. But you're going to not be told about a lot of interactions, even with that feature.
: > Is there any precedent for cross posting between the boards and other social media platforms? I honestly can't remember a single time that a Rioter has made a thread saying "hey guys, check out what I'm saying over here!" And it's not particularly common with regular users, either. > > Is this just an idea you had to ease communication between boards/forums, or is it actually something that Riot's shown it's amenable to? This happened MANY times during the months before the vBulletin closure.
Daen (NA)
: >Is there any precedent for cross posting between the boards and other social media platforms? I feel like it has happened at some point, though I can't place an example. Is there any particular reason there needs to be a precedent for sensible cross-posting to happen? It seems to me it's basically common sense to add a quick link to important conversation on outside platforms, especially now that the Boards is the single official mode of communication.
Because if Riot's done it before, than it's presumably something they have no problem doing that doesn't have any unresolved logistical issues or other impediments. If they've never done anything like that before, then I can't evaluate whether it's realistic to expect it of them. Basically the difference between "Why did you discontinue support for X" and "ritoplz." Important for tone, if nothing else. That said, given that S@20 already provides exactly the service you ask for for free, and anyone who wants to see what's happening on Reddit can do so, I'm not really convinced that it's something worth Riot investing in.
Caezium (NA)
: Well... I don't know. It makes no sense. If they make us come here they should use this over Reddit, even if we are harsh mofos at times. It might make this less dead/slow.
Well, none of us harsh mofos asked for an AMA, while the folks over there did. So it kinda makes sense, imo.
Daen (NA)
: >Why would we want Riot to refuse to interact with some of its customers? We don't, which is why it's absurd that this AMA wasn't even *mentioned* officially on the Boards. They are refusing to interact with their customers by **not even informing users of *their own site* that interaction is happening**. As I said elsewhere I understand your reasoning, but realistically speaking it just doesn't hold water. Regardless of which community requested the AMA, it's ridiculous to not spread the word to your own site.
Is there any precedent for cross posting between the boards and other social media platforms? I honestly can't remember a single time that a Rioter has made a thread saying "hey guys, check out what I'm saying over here!" And it's not particularly common with regular users, either. Is this just an idea you had to ease communication between boards/forums, or is it actually something that Riot's shown it's amenable to?
: Thoughts on Jungle diversity and Vision Control (and why the S5 changes won't work)
>As long as vision is backed by gold, the leading team will have an abundance and the trailing team will have little. No price is balanced because the more vision a team has, the better even more vision is. Why is this problematic, tho? You could say exactly the same thing about combat stats - vision control is just one more way to reward teams for playing well. If I outplay you in a 2v2 mid lane and transition that into mid turret, then I see no reason why it's out of line for me to have an advantage going forward. Whether that's through 10 extra AD or a couple minutes of vision around dragon is just a detail. I worry that weakening the ability for the winning team to control vision without compensatory buffs elsewhere would just result in games stalling out for longer. And I got my fill of that when Ziggs was in the meta. (as an aside, I'm happy to see "Udyr-bad" gaining traction)
: > Why would we *want* Riot to refuse to interact with some of its customers? That sounds horrible, and pretty much the opposite of their ethos as a company. > > >If they're gonna force us to use boards, the least they could do is force themselves to stay on boards too. > > Who's forcing you? > > http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends > > Click the link, register an account. Riot can't do anything about it. The point must've gone clear over your head. If I wanted to use Reddit, I'd use bloody Reddit. That's part of the reason that boards suck. They're Reddit 2.0 that even Riot abandoned immediately in favor of Reddit again. They changed the forums to the boards for THEIR use and then left. P.S. Cant believe you just told someone to sign up for Reddit in a thread questioning why Riot decided Reddit > Their new, improved Reddit 2.0 that they killed the forums with. Thats pretty dang silly.
>If I wanted to use Reddit, I'd use bloody Reddit. And if Tryndamere wants to use Reddit, he'll use bloody Reddit. He's not obligated to act in alignment with your value judgements - if you decide that you want to use the boards and don't want to use Reddit, that's fine. It doesn't mean that other people shouldn't be allowed to make different decisions.
: > This wasn't some sort of spontaneous thing that Tryndamere did out of nowhere. > > http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2kgi47/ama_request_riot_ryze_and_tryndamere/ > > Redditors specifically requested that he host an AMA. If he's going to agree and host an AMA, *obviously* he's going to do it on Reddit. That's where the people who asked for it are. > > Why would he respond to an AMA request on Reddit with an AMA on the boards? Why is Reddit even being used? If they're gonna force us to use boards, the least they could do is force themselves to stay on boards too. Just sayin'. This entire change was for THEM.
>Why is Reddit even being used? ...because it was people on Reddit who were asking for an AMA. Why would we *want* Riot to refuse to interact with some of its customers? That sounds horrible, and pretty much the opposite of their ethos as a company. >If they're gonna force us to use boards, the least they could do is force themselves to stay on boards too. Who's forcing you? http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends Click the link, register an account. Riot can't do anything about it.
Millea (NA)
: Yeah. I really thought that Riot would start making big posts like that on their own website rather than Reddit with these boards. They no longer have the excuse that they don't like the format/the format is bad for that kind of post.
This wasn't some sort of spontaneous thing that Tryndamere did out of nowhere. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2kgi47/ama_request_riot_ryze_and_tryndamere/ Redditors specifically requested that he host an AMA. If he's going to agree and host an AMA, *obviously* he's going to do it on Reddit. That's where the people who asked for it are. Why would he respond to an AMA request on Reddit with an AMA on the boards?
: Why did Tryndamere make an AMA on communication on Reddit instead of on the boards?
Because it was people on Reddit that were asking for an AMA. It'd be pretty weird if someone responded to a Reddit threads asking for them to host an AMA by hosting an AMA off of Reddit. The people who originally expressed interest might not even realize it was happening.
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