Wyrin (NA)
: Who are your level 7 Mastery Champions?
{{champion:202}}, obviously, but also {{champion:40}} and I have one M6 token for Kindred.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AlE5AYxo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-21T14:40:32.889+0000) > > Was it confirmed that they are in fact female and a cat? If it was, would you mind showing me? I'm pretty sure they haven't been confirmed to be a female cat They've been confirmed to somehow be in contact with a cat but i don't think there's been anything about them being a female. I'd actually love for them to be a cute guy (Too much edginess going around)
Agreed on the cute guy part.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: So this thread is just your predictions correct?
I have seen and heard nothing about the new enchanter since the book teaser in the Dev Diary, so I would assume so.
: In Regards to New Support Champion
Was it confirmed that they are in fact female and a cat? If it was, would you mind showing me?
tamaya (NA)
: Riot :"To Ivern fans. You're satisfied? ^^ The next time his skin release is ten years later^v^" It Is really fucking. I'm not a fan of Ivern. I was relieved that this did not happen to my favorite champion.
Yes, but at least Dunkmaster Ivern was Riot's choice, even if it was a bad one. Taliyah has a metric fuckload of amazing community concepts, and probably Riot ones too, but it took an Esports team to get her a second skin. Riot had the chance to make their own unique skin for her, and they didn't take it.
: I feel like the one thing we're forgetting about Ivern is that...
A skin's name, lore, and splash can make all the difference. Candy King Ivern is goofy, sure, but he eats the people of his kingdom. I do agree though that a "serious" Ivern skin would most likely have to be legendary. Nothing about his VO really says "I'm serious", nor does his model or animations. Though, you have to admit, he could come off as unsettling due to his proportions with a more scary skin.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=q8VbuOTk,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-21T11:08:23.475+0000) > > Esports skins don't count, as they are chosen by the winning team of Worlds, not Riot. Esports skins dont count? oh well then hextech skins shouldnt count either and Im not joking
Hextech skins are made by Riot and are available all year, while Esports skins are chosen by the winning team of Worlds and are only available for purchase during Worlds, I believe.
girlll (EUNE)
: Any Taliyah skins guys?
Yeah I think all the people complaining about Ivern's skin forget just how badly Taliyah mains got it. They needed a Worlds winner to get a new skin for her. Even if you consider Dunkmaster Ivern a huge joke, or just don't like it in general, just be glad its at least a real skin.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: Hmmm excuse me, she got one like 7 months ago? If she gets a new one ok but no need to ask or complain...
Esports skins don't count, as they are chosen by the winning team of Worlds, not Riot.
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0A2XzTia,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-21T04:42:14.004+0000) > > Here's the thing, Darius has a "dunk" ability, his ultimate. Ivern doesn't. This is one of the main arguments I see is about this skin, and that can honestly be fixed just by changing Dunkmaster Ivern's name to something that fits his role on the team better. > > Like I said in another thread, a skin's name, lore, and splash art can make all the difference. He doesn't have to have a dunk to have a skin dude. That's like saying all the Baker skin champs should have a cooking reference in there base skin.
> [{quoted}](name=SunDragonz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0A2XzTia,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-21T04:44:23.889+0000) > > He doesn't have to have a dunk to have a skin dude. That's like saying all the Baker skin champs should have a cooking reference in there base skin. That's what I just said? People want the "Dunkmaster" skins to be one of 2 things: * Champions with dunk abilities(Illaoi, Vi, J4, Pyke, ect). * Champions that were referenced in some meme about who the "Dunkmasters" of League are or whatever. Ivern doesn't fit the "Dunkmaster" theme. He fits the basketball theme, but not that "role" within that theme. Take the soccer skins, for example. Each role on the team is represented by a different skin name. Goalkeeper, sweeper, ect. They all fit in that soccer skin theme, but they each have their own individual role to play, and that is reflected in the skin's name. The basketball skins should be no different.
: Talking about how skins should thematically fit a champion makes no sense
Here's the thing, Darius has a "dunk" ability, his ultimate. Ivern doesn't. This is one of the main arguments I see is about this skin, and that can honestly be fixed just by changing Dunkmaster Ivern's name to something that fits his role on the team better. Like I said in another thread, a skin's name, lore, and splash art can make all the difference.
: Riot doesn't make an effort in their game, why should I in my posts rofl.
Because if you want things to change you have to not be a disrespectful asshole about it.
: What's with all the hate on Dunkmaster Ivern?
Should have a different name to emphasize his role on the team, like the soccer skins. I like it, though. Not going to buy it cause I only buy Jhin stuff, but it would be a nice thing to get from a chest at some point. I honestly don't like Candy King all that much, as its honestly a bit _too_ silly IMO despite the fact that he eats his subjects. Dunkmaster Ivern is a pretty even mix of serious and silly, though. He's clearly there to help his team win, but he's going to have fun while he's doing it. Plus, my childhood, especially with that red chroma.
: I'll take your entire stock
Environmentally friendly ~~violence~~ art? Holy fuck yes please.
: [Discussion]: Favorite League Weapon
Jhin main bias, but Whisper. Just a very pretty weapon, honestly.
: {{champion:202}} is really pissing me off lately. He needs a baseball bat taken to his kit.
> [{quoted}](name=Strawberrycocoa,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=asG2n3Ha,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-21T01:30:06.898+0000) > > {{champion:202}} is really pissing me off lately. He needs a baseball bat taken to his kit. Excuse me.
: What is the champion that you hate having on your team/enemy team more than Yasuo?
Lux, because if she's on my team, she's probably support and/or a bitch, though the bitch part depends on the player, really. I mean, I'm Jhin. I have 4 shots on my ultimate. Me not killing them with the first one doesn't mean you can just pop up and "secure" the kill, Lux. Wait 4 fucking seconds, I got it. If I don't, _then_ you can take it. Holy shit. And then I'll just be farming and she'll just run through the bushes, flash, smack her keyboard... **DOUBLE KILL**. I mean if you're gonna do that at least let me get the assists/give me a fucking warning. Oh, and then its my fault if she fails. Yes Lux, its my fault you're so thirsty for kills as support that you actively 1v2 without warning, sometimes when I'm not even in the fucking lane. And we'll be running and she'll be ahead of me and she'll throw her shield in front of her, and then "?" when I die. Well no shit I died, Lux. You shielded yourself. And even when she does throw it at me, its a skill shot, and if we're both moving it has the potential to miss. And sometimes she just won't build a support item, ever. Just builds AP the whole way through. This isn't so much a disadvantage to me, its a disadvantage to the whole team, especially if you have those teammates that just never ward for whatever reason. Vision is important, especially late game when people just come flying out of the jungle out of nowhere. Just... I see how Lux support has its advantages, but holy shit you have to play it right and not be an uncontrollable bitch about it. I've been playing for nearly 2 years and I've only had maybe 5 nice Lux supports, give or take. And by nice, I mean gameplay and personality wise. They use their abilities responsibly and don't go out of their way to do stupid shit for the sake of kills, and they aren't an obnoxious asshole the entire game. I also just find the champion annoying in general. She's like bright lights/loud noises when I have a migraine. Unbearable.
: > [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=or00MXEP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-20T00:00:41.952+0000) > > I mean imma buy it Hello Undercover spy form riot!
> [{quoted}](name=Tham Chundi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=or00MXEP,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-21T00:02:00.027+0000) > > Hello Undercover spy form riot! Just because people like it doesn't mean they're from Riot. Unless you're trolling, which is honestly what it feels like. If you are serious, though, fuck off and let them enjoy the skin if they like it. Just because you don't like it that doesn't give you the right to personally attack the people that do and make them feel like shit. Different people like different things. Deal with it.
: Watch this be the next April Fool's Skin
Dunkmaster Ivern shouldn't be the skin's name. He's passing the ball back to Daisy, not dunking. He's clearly meant to be a more supportive member of the team, while Daisy/his teammates are meant to be the ones dunking. It should be like the soccer skins, where each of the teammate's roles is stated in the skin's name. Honestly, though? Have 2 teams, one all Dunkmasters for the sake of the meme and one that is a more rounded out/balanced. And change Ivern's name so that he's on the balanced team and not the Dunkmaster one. Also... Cheshire Cat Kayn, anyone? No? Okay.
: Ro'Ka'Em, The Twisted Horror(Champion Concept)
Ro'Ka'Em is Xul'Ka's dog in the same way Aurelion Sol is Zoe's. Hecking 3 headed doggo does a slither.
: Next time you make a skin poll...
The first 2 are VS events, and both skins got made for those events. The polls are actual polls meant to decide what skin gets made.
: The whole thematic argument doesn’t work here
Here's the thing. My all time favorite skin concept for Jhin is a Sugar Rush skin concept. Now, you're probably thinking, "How does Jhin fit into Sugar Rush?". Let me explain. The skin itself is called "Candy Land Massacre Jhin". This could imply many things. Is he Candy King Ivern's assassin, there to help him sate his hunger for sugary flesh? Is he just insane, driven mad by an encounter with Dark Candy Fiddlesticks or Bittersweet Lulu, perhaps? The Sugar Rush lore is surprisingly fucked up. There are endless possibilities here that still fit that "Jhin" theme without it being too outlandish. I feel the same way about Dunkmaster Ivern that I do about Candy Land Massacre Jhin. The skins themselves don't appear to "fit" the champions they are made for, but a name, lore, and splash art can make all the difference. What is Ivern doing in his splash? He's passing the ball back to Daisy, not dunking. In the skin's lore, it will probably describe him as a more supportive player, there to help his team score rather than to score himself. These factors all point to Ivern's skin being called something besides Dunkmaster. Or maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about. https://i.imgur.com/VVLJryd.jpg[]
: Ight, Time to get Downvoted :)
"I like Dunkmaster Ivern becau-" _Everyone disliked that._ Hey, Dunkmaster Ivern haters. Let people enjoy the things they like.
: As a joke I'm more so mad they didn't make him look like Wilt from Foster's home for imaginary friends. Though he does currently look like the unholy genetic mix of Larry Bird and Gritty the Philadelphia Flyers mascot.
There's a red chroma that kind of fixes the Wilt thing. But even then, you know... Copywrite says he can't be 100% Wilt.
Blainezy (NA)
: This was the perfect opportunity to continue the Elderwood skin line or create a new one and this is what we get, lol.
Wouldn't Elderwood be a bit... Repetitive? Elderwood is pretty much "not nature champions made nature", so I'm not sure what could be done to make Ivern fit that theme without him looking almost exactly the same. Plus, it technically got continued with the release of Eclipse Leona and the Coven skins. Elderwood, Death Blossom, Eclipse, Coven, ect, all exist in the same universe. I understand why you'd want more Elderwood specifically, but Ivern isn't the champion for that. He's already tree/nature themed. Personally, I want Elderwood Kindred to be released.
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bx7u59Uc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-20T03:30:35.912+0000) > > The soccer skins have different roles(even the fucking ball), why can't the basketball skins? > Not everyone can be a goalkeeper, just like not everyone can be a dunkmaster. The skin should be called something else to better reflect what Ivern's role on the team is. Point Guard Ivern? Dish the rock Ivern? Alleyoop Ivern? APG Ivern? Or, since he throws his skillshot (ball) at the enemy, he could be Opposing Team's 6th Man Ivern.
> [{quoted}](name=ArtumisPrime,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bx7u59Uc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-20T06:35:39.858+0000) > > Point Guard Ivern? Dish the rock Ivern? Alleyoop Ivern? APG Ivern? > > Or, since he throws his skillshot (ball) at the enemy, he could be Opposing Team's 6th Man Ivern. Doesn't he give his teammates the ball too via his shield?
: "Dunkmaster" is just their title for basketball skins Ivern is tall and lanky. Basketball players are known for usually being tall and somewhat lanky. Ivern is silly. There is a famous basketball team known for silliness called "The Harlem Globetrotters". Therefore it makes sense to give a baskeball skin to Ivern.
Yes, but... The basketball skins should be the same as the soccer skins in the sense that every role's skin has a different name. Goalkeepers, strikers, sweepers, ect. Ivern's role isn't to dunk, he assists with the dunking, thus "Dunkmaster" isn't a very good name for it.
: Yeah, I know, that's why Illoai makes more sense, also I said that the Basketball themed skin line doesn't only need to involve dunking, as Xerath can easily be given a basketball themed skin where his ult makes it look like he's trying to shoot for hoops. I'm against the Ivern skin because it doesn't fit his theme, especially as a support jungler.
So the soccer skins can have goalkeepers, sweepers, strikers, refs, ect, but the basketball skins can't have separate roles to match that champion's abilities/role too?
: A comprehensive list of champions more deserving of Dunkmaster than Ivern:
The soccer skins have different roles(even the fucking ball), why can't the basketball skins? Not everyone can be a goalkeeper, just like not everyone can be a dunkmaster. The skin should be called something else to better reflect what Ivern's role on the team is.
: Imagine sitting in the Board Room and hearing some Riot brainlet say "we need another dunk skin"—only to give it to a support. We Have: Illoai: Actually Dunks and could easily make her tentacles hoops and make her Ult turn the affected ground into a basket ball court. Garen: Darius's biggest rival who ACTUALLY HAS A DUNKING ABILITY. Xerath: Change the name to "hoop master" or something of that sort and change all his Ult VFX and Animations to make look like he's going for some 3 pointers. (It's kinda over extending in the theme, but at least people can make sense of it.) But there is no synergy with basketball and Ivern, and now that Ivern is confirmed to have the ONLY OTHER SKIN IN THE "DUNK" COSMETIC LINE completely undermines the quality and fan service that went into Darius's first legendary skin. I love Ivern mains, but i'm pretty sure everyone was on board with the idea that he was going to get an original skin called "Ivern the Cruel" (if you guys remember that leak that came out like 2 months ago that everyone was freaking out about).
You realize that there's more to basketball than dunking, right? Dunkmaster is a terrible name for the skin, since that's not what Ivern's role on the team is. He's there to set up the plays, not make them.
RéktSai (NA)
: You guys seriously dropped the ball.(pun intended)
You're right, he doesn't have a dunk ability. But the skin still fits him. He's a supportive player on the team. He's setting up the plays, not making them himself. It shouldn't be called Dunkmaster, since that doesn't fit his role on the team, and I think that's the only real thing Riot fucked up on here other than the release date. Look at it like the soccer skins. Each role is represented down to the fucking ball, and I don't see why the basketball skins should be any different. Not everyone can be a Dunkmaster, after all. I could see this being his 3rd or 4th skin, but his 2nd? I would've rather had something else first, a lot of people would have.
: Rek'Sai is crying in a corner with only 2 skins and being out for YEARS, and seeing actually play recently. Also a Vel main here, "definitely not" is a disgrace in my opinion... Waiting for a Deep Sea Terror Vel'Koz or something cool. Even just a chroma for Arclight...
The Voidlings really do have the most potential for creative skins IMO, with champions like Sol and Xerath being close seconds. Not being extremely humanoid in appearance is definitely a plus when it comes to originality, since there's only so many ways you can make a human look cool and different. Shit like Vel'Koz, though? Fuck, man... Flying Spaghetti Monster(Pastafarian), Elderwood(vines or thorns), Deep Sea(Vampire Squid), Infernal(probably too close to Battlecast but whatever), Kaiju(giant enemy Squid'Koz????), Prehistoric(there was some weird shit in the ocean back in the day), ect. Personally? I want a Prehistoric/Deep Sea Sol skin where he's a fucking flying Helicoprion.
: Skins for Under Played Champs
Watch the skins Dev Diary.
: I just thinks its funny...
Heh. Ivern mains. Coming out of the _woodwork_. Heh. I'll see myself out.
: Petition to Change "Dunkmaster Ivern" name
This. I feel like that's one of the big things people don't like about it. Ivern doesn't dunk. What he does do, though, is help his teammates dunk. Just like how Goalkeeper Moakai is tanky, he's taking hits for the team to make sure the enemy doesn't score. Ezreal is a fast mother fucker, and someone Moakai should keep an eye on. And then there's Rammus, the ball they're playing with. Everything is represented here, as it should be, and the basketball skins should be no different.
: I love this skin, but this aint it....
"I like this skin. Here's why I like it, my feelings about it, and how I understand why others may not like it." _Everyone disliked that._ Different people like different things. If people like Dunkmaster Ivern, let them enjoy it. Don't be a bunch of bitches and bring everyone down with you just because you don't like it.
: If only we could choose our Profile Borders...
I just want my profile to match. I have the level 175 boarder with the PROJECT: Jhin icon equipped and PROJECT: Jhin as my background. But I'm mastery 7 with him and I'm honor 3. I was also Bronze last season and the banner behind my icon is blue. Please save me.
: Whenever I look at Dunkmaster Ivern all i see is this
Honestly the only reason why I even acknowledge that this skin exists. My childhood right fucking here. Edit: It even has a red chroma.
Napoleon3 (EUNE)
: league of legends has become from a serious competitive game to a game for kids.
Silly skins/champions are going to exist in a serious game, because it adds some diversity to the skin/champion pool. No one wants 100% edgelords 100% of the time. Its boring and predictable. Different people like different things, and those skins/champions are marketed to those subgroups that like them.
Naalith (NA)
: Hold up, is this a first look at Mordekaiser or am I overlooking a skin?
Somewhere, Malicious Metal is physically restraining himself to keep from saying something about it.
: I feel like they had note cards of skin lines and champions in a meeting and after agreeing on dunkmaster J4 and hextech Ivern they dropped the cards and got them mixed up. It's the only reasonable solution.
Why would you want a champion's only other skin to be a Hextech skin? You'd think you'd want to get that skin instantly. Imagine being an Ivern fan with 0 gemstones and he gets a Hextech skin.
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JIE8QXIs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-19T20:54:36.605+0000) > > There will always be people that hate X skin for Y reason, regardless of who its for or what it is. > > I think Riot always has the best intentions in terms of skins, but they really do miss the mark sometimes. There is evidence that they look at community concepts(Dragon Trainer Heim, Pizza Delivery Sivir, ~~Crazy Cat Lady~~ Meowrick) for skins, so I wonder why they didn't take a more popular concept for Ivern and run with it. > > I do think I see what they are trying to do, though. March Madness is a thing, and spring is coming up soon, so I think they thought "hey lets give the bright tree guy a basketball skin for March Madness and spring". Its not good, and I think there are better skins out there that would've fit him, but I think people should just appreciate what they got regardless. They can hate it, and they have every right to, but being a bunch of aggressive assholes about it isn't helping. You're right, they do look for inspiration sometimes from the boards, and if it's to be believed, this skins was derived from a 2 year old comment someone jokingly threw on the boards _in the complete pretense of satire_. This skin isn't based on March Madness (an American thing, I might add, basketball isn't that global), mainly because it's scheduled to arrive deep into April, far from April Fool's Day and March. So on to the next point: HELL TO THE FUCK NO. People should not just "appreciate what they got regardless." This is a bad skin in concept and theme for Ivern. This is not something we just accept if you're a fan of Ivern. This is like if they released an Ahri legendary skin that made her a fat male trucker with his gut hanging out of a white tank top. This theme is so unrelated to Ivern that it as related as you are to the sparrows that you see in the trees. When someone is releasing a bad product, which is EXACTLY what this is, we need to speak up and let them know. They already wasted an incredible amount of time on this skin when it's not at all in the vein of what people who actually like Ivern wanted, and it really sucks to have waited 2 years for a lame ass joke of a skin when there will inevitably be another just-as-long of a wait to get his next skin that isn't utterly insane.
You can be respectful about it, though. Insulting it and saying it should be deleted isn't helping Riot improve it. Give constructive criticism, point out what you like/dislike about it, elaborate on the "it doesn't fit Ivern" comment, ect. And personally attacking the people that do like it isn't helping, either. Different people like different things, and they should be allowed to enjoy the things they like without being attacked/downvoted, just as you should be allowed to express your opinions on the skin without the same happening to you.
: Idk why people are mad about this. it genuinly looks great. "after all this time i didn't get what i wanted". That's how skins work, i think SG jinx is god awfull and should have never been a legendary, ~~degenerates~~ others think it's great.
Yeah. I'm not a fan of PROJECT: Jhin's voice, but others like it. Different people like different things. I respect that and I think others should too.
: So Riot - we vote on 3 Tristana skins, but don't get to vote on Ivern's completely random ass skin?
I mean, Riot is known to take inspiration from/make community concepts, so I have no idea why they didn't do that with Ivern cause I've seen some pretty cool shit for him. Like, fuck the vote. Just Google "Ivern skin concepts", close your eyes, and point. There you go.
: Not sure if i feel sorry or that what comes is justified for the creators of Dunk master Ivern skin
There will always be people that hate X skin for Y reason, regardless of who its for or what it is. I think Riot always has the best intentions in terms of skins, but they really do miss the mark sometimes. There is evidence that they look at community concepts(Dragon Trainer Heim, Pizza Delivery Sivir, ~~Crazy Cat Lady~~ Meowrick) for skins, so I wonder why they didn't take a more popular concept for Ivern and run with it. I do think I see what they are trying to do, though. March Madness is a thing, and spring is coming up soon, so I think they thought "hey lets give the bright tree guy a basketball skin for March Madness and spring". Its not good, and I think there are better skins out there that would've fit him, but I think people should just appreciate what they got regardless. They can hate it, and they have every right to, but being a bunch of aggressive assholes about it isn't helping.
: MFW Ivern gets a Dunkmaster skin, and Illaoi doesnt.
You ever seen Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends? Doesn't Ivern say "Wilt" to you?
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ouVeaeEA,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-03-19T18:17:19.291+0000) > > I would have preferred a Bob Ross skin to this. It's We have to save this one for jhin.
If that's Jhin's legendary, I will make 3 new accounts just so I can buy it 4 times.
QMighty (NA)
: But c'mon... the red hair?! This has to be at least in-part referencing him. Red hair!
: I feel like some of it is deserved because when a champion gets a joke skin after never receiving a skin for some time, joke skins are a cool change of pace but I would like one of the cool skins first. Some of it isn't deserved because Iverns' character doesn't really call for a serious skin, unless the skin is so serious that it's ironically funny. Like Void Ivern or Battlecast Ivern or something along those lines
Well if its a legendary skin, those usually entail a change of character, depending on what it is. For example, Gentleman Cho'Gath wouldn't feel quite right with his base VO, would it?
QMighty (NA)
: oh shoot I didn't even get the reference! Thanks!
I don't think its really a reference to Wilt. That's just honestly the first thing that came to my mind when I saw it. Tall, lanky, happy guy? Yep, that's Wilt.
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