: Or you can just play normal games which are the exact same as ranked games
> [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=40t9ndEe,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-15T15:38:15.553+0000) > > Or you can just play normal games which are the exact same as ranked games Not the ones I play. People on first time champions, deeply off-meta champions. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, but people clearly aren't trying as hard to win. Less competitive I guess.
Rioter Comments
: Ranked is competitive that's all you need to know people get emotional over ranked, So do I. If you don't like that environment just do /mute all (this will also mute pings you can unmute the pings if you want) or play normals.
> [{quoted}](name=LickHerDØWN,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QHBOFrWj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-14T22:03:53.901+0000) > > Ranked is competitive that's all you need to know people get emotional over ranked, This is true. In my experience player behavior is significantly different in Ranked vs Normals. This is why when we're having forum discussions and someone posts "I don't encounter a lot of bad behavior" and I look at their match history, almost guaranteed they're 90%-100% Normals match history.
: Why can't you put your weekly tirade about leavers in Rant where it belongs?
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YsGTGu8I,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-15T13:45:39.830+0000) > > Why can't you put your weekly tirade about leavers in Rant where it belongs? The last time I created a thread on these forums was 15 days ago. You must have me mistaken for someone else, as there are many threads of players who view the leaver system as unjust. (On a personal note, it's weird that you're following me around the forums replying to every post that I make. If you're that irritated by my presence here, feel free to simply not reply. No need to bring toxicity into the forums, there's enough in the game imo.)
: I had horrible connection for quite some time I often lost wifi signal and disconnected from a lot of games. It never was an excuse. No matter the reason, you or your problems left your teammates in 4v5. Fix it or accept punishments. This is only fair
> [{quoted}](name=Abananation,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YsGTGu8I,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-15T13:28:16.673+0000) > > I had horrible connection for quite some time I often lost wifi signal and disconnected from a lot of games. It never was an excuse. No matter the reason, you or your problems left your teammates in 4v5. Fix it or accept punishments. This is only fair Over the last couple of months, I've definitely been more the victim of leavers than winner. Before that streak it was definitely more even in terms of: my team has a leaver, enemy team has a leaver, roughly even. But S9 has brought about a whole new wave of leaver matches in general from my experience, my team or enemy team. Since making this post, I played another game and the enemy ADC quit a few minutes into the game (and, of course, announced it in all chat). So I won a 5v4 after losing a 4v5. On net, this evens out in terms of LP, but it's the entire culture of leaving that needs to be reformed. Neither match was fun to play.
Rioter Comments
: Intentional Feeding can and will be punished. It isn't always an open close case though. Doesn't help that the case load is massove because someone wants to report the Sion Support for trolling/inting.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0FT2v08E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-13T01:03:20.648+0000) > > Intentional Feeding ... will be punished. lol
: You're right. The only assholes that exist in League are in EU ranked. Got it.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bdRxuK7e,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-13T18:30:38.192+0000) > > You're right. The only assholes that exist in League are in EU ranked. Got it. Strawman.
Neupster (NA)
: Toxicity Survey Research Project
What's the point of the question about voting to surrender before or near 20 minutes? I can tell with 90% certainty by 20 minutes whether my team is going to win or lose based on who is fed and if we've got the late game comp or not. I often initiate surrender votes, but that's not to be toxic, it's because I'd rather get on to the next game. Why eat a 40 minute loss when you can take the loss in 20 minutes? All for the very slight chance of a turnaround?
: > "This has become by far the single worst community I've ever seen in a multiplayer game." This is completely subjective. "Best" and "worst" cannot be quantified - it's opinion. > There weren't "trolls" like this everywhere, especially not in ranked games and ESPECIALLY not in ranks above Silver. Oh fucking hell yes there were. And due to how slow the goddamn Tribunal was to issue punishments, these people got to stay around way longer. > Kids are trolling literally just to make a point. I hardly ever experience true trolling, griefing, inting, or AFK. I play a lot.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bdRxuK7e,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-13T16:34:39.423+0000) > > I hardly ever experience true trolling, griefing, inting, or AFK. I play a lot. This might be true, but you're fighting anecdotal evidence with anecdotal evidence. Not to mention, you're on NA servers and seem to exclusively play Normals. He's on EU and plays Ranked. Different cultures, different experiences. To throw another anecdotal tidbit on the pile, I'll say my Normals games I encounter far less toxic behavior than in my Ranked games. People don't really care as much if they lose a Normal match so there's less emotion.
: They do ban for leaving games, although not unless it's a serious and chronic issue for the player. They don't have any sort of way of identifying someone who leaves on purpose and maliciously versus someone who had some issue come up.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=XtZweHFd,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-13T02:18:45.403+0000) > > They don't have any sort of way of identifying someone who leaves on purpose and maliciously versus someone who had some issue come up. "Sorry I'm not laning against a Teemo" "GG" "One more death and I'm just going to leave." "Yall suck enjoy the loss." These are all real examples from my last couple of months of statements made by teammates right before they disconnect permanently. There are more I can't recall. It's actually abnormal for someone to just leave nowadays without saying something in chat that indicates they're doing it intentionally. I even had a teammate go so far as to say "Riot doesn't punish this anyway, I leave all the time" in response to someone saying "If you leave I'll report you." So, there is a way to reasonably determine who leaves on purpose, but it requires effort to look at chat logs, which Riot will never do. Most other competitive games have a leaver punishment or queue timeout that starts at 1 leave and escalates from there within a certain period. Riot is easily the most generous to leavers, assuming everyone who leaves is doing so because their mom is having a heart attack in the next room for the third time this month.
: Please remove the option to report players for being AFK...
FWIW i'm on your side. Leavers are the most consistent part of my League experience. Thread after thread is made from people like you. Riot doesn't care, the people on this forum say "oh it's not that bad." I had a game last week where I took 3 CS from my ADC while he was backed. He flipped out, threw his twitch channel in chat and left. After the game i looked up his channel at the saved clip. He's actually broadcasting: "F*** this Brand taking my CS, I'm switching accounts. I literally don't care, Riot doesn't even punish me when I do this, and I'm not going to fight with him."
: just gotta remove teleport from the game if people want it to be fun.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qw4AEAey,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-08T12:39:13.605+0000) > > just gotta remove ~~teleport~~ **flash** from the game if people want it to be fun. Fixed
: Zyra ult cost changed to 100 mana at all levels, 3-4 champs left to go
Mana is really a joke after 10 minutes. It used to be a limiting/strategic factor ("should i cast now or wait for a better chance?"), but now it's really not and abilities are all spammable. Can't remember the last time I actually ran out of mana on any of these champs, and Amumu is my main jungler right now. Jungle item plus blue buffs gives plenty of mana.
: [QOTD] What are your expectations for Season 10?
1) Adjust MMR so matches are closer and games aren't decided 85% of the time in the first 5 minutes 2) Instituting punishment for Leavers JK they will never do this, but ready for some Chromas.
: Pyke is totally "Balanced"
Your sample size of one non-ranked game is compelling.
: If Karthus jng is honestly that powerful with Dark Harvest
> [{quoted}](name=50CaliberHecate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uV7XZuyj,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-07T06:42:24.021+0000) > > This rune needs removed. It's completely game breaking to face someone who can press one button and basically get a penta in a single move. As someone who playes jg Karthus, I can assure you this doesn't happen. If I'm massively ahead (25 stack Mejai's and full build) then I might be able to kill a Nami or something. But that's only if you're dumb enough to not build any MR. Also learn to counterpick. Braum shield blocks Karth ult. Sivir. Morg. Or just get a damn Zhonyas. The game shouldn't be balanced around people who can't counterpick or who can't vary their items to adapt to the enemy comp.
: There should be a vote, but it should be a vote to continue, with REMAKE being the default. And, it sounds like you wound up with a 4q, and they knew that their friend was coming back. They still should have remade...
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0A1gRw2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-07T03:10:42.517+0000) > And, it sounds like you wound up with a 4q, and they knew that their friend was coming back. They still should have remade... Nah, this was Ranked Solo/Duo. Bot might have been duo. I think our Top was arrogant enough to think he could carry everyone, based on how toxic he got later in the game. Like I said, no one gave me a reason so who knows. "Sometimes people just want to watch the world burn." -Wayne Gretzky -Michael Scott
: I'd say don't even play ranked after midnight, but if you must, since you consider yourself better than the other players, you could just go fill yourself, so at least that way you feel somewhat in control of what's going on.
> [{quoted}](name=EyesOfTheFox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uAVXbQE2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-07T12:51:14.609+0000) > > I'd say don't even play ranked after midnight, You mean, on weekends. I've found I win games like crazy Mon-Thurs, and when Friday night hits and school is out, I go on crazy loss streaks.
: STOP PUTTING BRONZE ON MY TEAM I AM GOLD
> [{quoted}](name=DaOnly1Vampyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8APstiN7,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-07T12:47:13.117+0000) > > The match making in this game is terrible. How are you gonna put bronze and silver on my team. Yet the other team has gold players?! There's really no difference +/- 2 tiers from your current rank. So Gold 4 is basically Silver 2 - Gold 2. Also, MMR matters. I was curious why a Bronze was in my game and looked him up, he was obviously a smurf and Riot tries to prevent them from ruining lower skill group games by matching them higher than their rank.
Sichem (NA)
: A one year hiatus
I've hit a weird, soft ceiling on my progression which has lessened how often I play League. I placed in Bronze (wtf was that about, I was Gold last season), grinded back up to Gold. But now it's pretty crazy. * I made a post a week ago about how Leavers were the reason for 38% of my losses (looking at my last 20 matches). What can I do about that? There's no individual skill I can employ to make people stay in a game. I can get really good at Caitlyn but the 4v5 will always turn the tide of the match. * My last loss was a teammate who just charged down mid a few times (would plant a ward in enemy base just to TP into it). End game lobby said "Sorry was on the phone all match." * Loss before that, a teammate failed to connect and for some reason I was the only person to vote to Remake, so we lost a 4v5. * Loss before that, enemy jungler was a smurf who massacred us - I looked at his account on op.gg, has never lost a match. So I'm encountering a lack of what I'd call good games, where it's 5v5 with everyone trying hard, no one throwing, no one leaving, and evenly matched skill level. Even in the games where people aren't "trolling" I've found Season 9 to be weird in terms of balance. I either stomp the enemy team or get stomped. Rarely is there that closeness where the next pick or teamfight will eek out victory. It's usually a matter of winning/losing since 10 minutes in and waiting for that team to finally win. I love a great game more than the outcome of that game, and there's just a lack of that right now. 80% is the weird community behavior and especially lack of punishment for Leavers, 20% seems to be matchmaking issues and not getting the player skill balance close enough. If you're coming back from scratch, I would not recommend League right now.
Lafayeet (NA)
: We had a to remake a game while during my leaver busters
> [{quoted}](name=Lafayeet,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GGxX3oex,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-03T22:01:37.716+0000) > > I can't control when my parents decide to force me off the computer for 20 minutes If you aren't certain that they WON'T force you off the computer, don't play ranked. You are ruining the game for everyone else. Play ARAM or at least Normals.
: Pretty much sums up season 9. Snowbally additions to the game like turret plating and CS bounties (to shut down the 1 person on the losing team who won lane and snowball the winning team even harder), as well as the absolute debacle that was Positional matchmaking and the revert which screwed up MMR across all ELOs are both to blame to some extent. But even in season 8, which was IMO not a great season, it felt like there were more close games and individual players had more agency to impact the game. Season 9 I feel incredibly lucky if one out of 10 of my games are evenly matched/feel close, AND I PRETTY MUCH ONLY PLAY RANKED as far as Summoners Rift goes, which is SUPPOSEDLY matching teams of "equal skill level." Games in season 9 are extremely un-satisfying most of the time, winning in a stomp is boring b/c it hardly matters what you do b/c 2+ of the enemy were massively outskilled and fed your team, and losing a stomp feels even worse b/c even if you and possibly one other teammate are doing well the rest of the team are just way too heavy and unless you're playing way below your actual elo you won't be able to carry them. I miss season 7, back then it felt like individual players had a lot more impact on the game and it was much less about the "matchmaking coinflip," Honestly It makes me wonder what the NA population numbers are looking like this year compared to 2017 and 2018, because even with the fresh lvl 30 accounts in high silver MMR and all that Matchmaking was providing much more evenly matched games and even though riot has made changes to make the game more snowbally and easier to end for the team thats ahead I just Cannot believe that alone is the issue.
> [{quoted}](name=Tr4shB4NSYST3M,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbUWTPm9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-06T19:29:18.287+0000) > Games in season 9 are extremely un-satisfying most of the time I hear this. I just played a game where the enemy mid didn't connect for 10 minutes, and when he did he fed his face off (ended the game 0-11). But, because their jungler was a smurf (looked him up on op.gg, 100% win rate in Ranked this season), they obliterated us 4v5 anyway. Zzzzzzz
Rioter Comments
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=5 Dollar Holler,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXX1vd0x,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T18:36:11.913+0000) > > Again, I don't have the quotes, but it was more like "Start hugging the tower, your current strat is not working and he's going to snowball out of control if you don't change what you're doing now." > > I don't name call like in your example, ever. Like I said, now I'm just silent. You don't get penalized for what you have in quotes there. If you got penalized for that game, it was for something else you said.
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXX1vd0x,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T22:29:06.694+0000) > > You don't get penalized for what you have in quotes there. If you got penalized for that game, it was for something else you said. I'm here to tell you: yes you can. Riot views multiple attempts to correct a teammate's play as harassment, even if you're not shouting insults.
: Toxicity/Homophobia/Racism/Misogyny and Account Restrictions
> [{quoted}](name=DiabloTeal,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=c416r9PX,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-03T23:24:19.958+0000) > > The community is extremely toxic, and even though Riot Games has placed techniques, and repercussions into play, it seems to be at no avail. They are focusing on the wrong things, anyway. Just today, for example, I played a game as support Brand. My ADC Twitch backed to base. I had the nerve to last hit a few minions (5 or so) while he was gone. He told me to stop, I didn't reply because I don't type in chat anymore - fear of the Riot bans, I don't type in chat anymore ever. My intent was to stop when he returned to lane, but that gold was going to waste. Before he even returned to lane, he said in all chat "Report Brand for toxic trolling" and in team chat "I'm leaving idgaf, Brand you're autistic." He then quit the match and never returned. This was within the first 5 minutes of the match, so of course we lost the 4v5. Not only did he quit, he signed onto an alt account and added me as a friend. I didn't realize immediately that it was the same guy, but got another load of toxic rage typing from him before I could unfriend and block the account, telling me how glad he was to take the LP from me. Because it's so easy to have 2, 3, 4, 10 accounts, people don't even care. In the rare instance that Riot actually punishes someone, it's just onto the next account while waiting for the timer to run up on the punishment. I actually submitted a support ticket because I felt this was above and beyond normal toxicity, but I'm not naive enough to think anything will happen. Just another leaver/AFK match with no punishment. I'm beyond looking to Riot for just punishments. At this point, given the number of people who just leave games in order to punish teammates, all I want is to have my LP loss softened so I'm less of a helpless victim. Maybe half LP loss if you have a teammate who is flagged by LeaverBuster (X over champion portrait) AND who isn't a duo partner?
rujitra (NA)
: No, trying to win should not permit you to make someone else go through 30+ minutes of hell having to watch you be a jerk.
To OP question, I'd always rather have a toxic person trying to win than a nice or silent teammate not trying to win. I encounter more intentional AFKs/Leavers than toxic players nowadays anyway. And leaving a game is basically unpunished. > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gene6EAK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-02T17:36:41.728+0000) > > No, trying to win should not permit you to make someone else go through 30+ minutes of hell having to watch you be a jerk. To be fair, 30 minutes of hell would be on the other players. Yes, one toxic comment can get out before you realize you have to mute someone if you're that sensitive of a person. But other than that, you choose not to use the mute button.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=5 Dollar Holler,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXX1vd0x,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T19:45:47.380+0000) > > And make no mistake, this is the standard. I received a 10-game restriction myself last season. I was shocked. I posted the chat logs here, and the community consensus was "Nothing you said was toxic, but it wasn't really positive either." This was a long time ago so I don't have the quotes, but along the lines of my urging teammates to adjust their playstyle. > > If someone is going 0-15 in the first 10 minutes, your only comment can be "Great job!" or nothing at all. > > The result for me is that I just don't type in chat anymore for any reason. I use pings when I have to but that's it, I'm basically a bot heh. Example of "Urging teammate to adjust their playstyle": Play safe, we'll be there to gank soon. Example of being a dick: Stop feeding noob! The latter will get you penalized.
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXX1vd0x,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T22:28:03.333+0000) > > Example of "Urging teammate to adjust their playstyle": Play safe, we'll be there to gank soon. > > Example of being a dick: Stop feeding noob! > > The latter will get you penalized. Again, I don't have the quotes, but it was more like "Start hugging the tower, your current strat is not working and he's going to snowball out of control if you don't change what you're doing now." I don't name call like in your example, ever. Like I said, now I'm just silent.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LilBlondie,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXX1vd0x,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T17:58:17.044+0000) > > if the case is that you get penalized for frequency and other games there should be some sort of indication for this. when u get penalized it shows u the chat log for that one game. u get no warnings for whats unacceptable behaviour. it goes from 0 to 100 over one game, i have no way of knowing whats acceptable and not when i got no warnings and i didnt say anything really offencive, whats being displayed to me by streamers and waht not is way worse and they are not being penalized for doing it on a daily basis, so it kind of states that its acceptable behaviour. i personally dont belive that calling someone an "ape" and tellign them to "SIT" is ground for me to lose all year of progress on honors as a first time offender. if the punish ment is going to be this harsh u should atleast recive a warning at some point seeing as u say its based on more than whats displayed? why are we not getting info when its piling up? my frequency is low, i dont speak in 99% of my games, n the severity isnt high either in my opinion "ape" and "sit" isnt severe. > > So i think the system is too vauge and too harsh as a first time and end of season It shows the chat log for your last few games as an example of the behavior that got you penalized. Keep in mind that you're supposed to be at worst neutral at all times. Calling people "ape" and telling them to "sit" is not neutral, and it is against the rules. That it's not severe enough to trigger an immediate penalty is not an excuse to continue doing it. For reference here's is the Summoner's Code: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/ It may be the first time you've been penalized, but you are not a first time offender. You've likely been less than neutral many times before. Personally I think there should be a one-time warning when you're halfway towards the first penalty which reminds you that your behavior is unacceptable and provides an example. However, after that any penalty should result in loss of season rewards, period.
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXX1vd0x,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T18:52:05.496+0000) > You've likely been less than neutral many times before. And make no mistake, this is the standard. I received a 10-game restriction myself last season. I was shocked. I posted the chat logs here, and the community consensus was "Nothing you said was toxic, but it wasn't really positive either." This was a long time ago so I don't have the quotes, but along the lines of my urging teammates to adjust their playstyle. If someone is going 0-15 in the first 10 minutes, your only comment can be "Great job!" or nothing at all. The result for me is that I just don't type in chat anymore for any reason. I use pings when I have to but that's it, I'm basically a bot heh.
: #1 Reason you lose in any elo.
> [{quoted}](name=Famous Gay Actor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=euhXa127,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-01T07:47:40.004+0000) > > Rage. I disagree. People rarely rage when they're winning. Rage can certainly prevent a comeback from occurring, but often the game is already a loss (or very likely to be a loss) by the time the bad behavior begins. It may be something like: if you don't rage there's a 10% better likelihood of winning, or something like that.
Jamaree (NA)
: You won't be banned for playing non meta unless you are clearly trolling. Ashe, is fine, ADC Morg is not.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kFO5v8Tv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-01T16:55:09.829+0000) > > You won't be banned for playing non meta unless you are clearly trolling. Ashe, is fine, ADC Morg is not. Your definition is actually too strict. Whose to say I can't play Bot morg? Just like you can play bot Brand, Yasuo, Swain, Teemo... I've seen a lot of non-ADCs in the Bot farming role. Off-meta will never be punished.
Myrannya (NA)
: Will there ever be consequences to this?
> [{quoted}](name=Myrannya,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=klqMAtd0,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-01T18:31:06.329+0000) > > A player gets autofilled to support but they dont want to play support. They tell someone to let them take their role(e.g mid) and the assigned mid player says they wont trade. The autofilled support then locks in Nunu and takes cleanse and ghost. His duo locks in Rakan jungle cleanse and ghost. is that at all punishable? It's reportable, but likely won't be punished. This is the kind of offense that would require a human being to watch the replay. And even then, it might not be obvious (after all, playing an off-meta champion is not punishable). So you can call it Griefing, but your better bet may be to submit a ticket to Riot so that hopefully a person will look into it directly. The AI system will never flag this.
rujitra (NA)
: I haven't seen someone joke about that in my memory, unless someone first accused them of trolling.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g4zBiRo2,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-31T21:14:47.657+0000) > > I haven't seen someone joke about that in my memory, unless someone first accused them of trolling. I don't see it much, but I had a similar reaction the first time I heard it (a few months back). Some teammate tried to get a kill level 1, tower dove, got outplayed and ended up dying. He said "I'm trolling." I said "Why would you admit that?" He replied "I'm not really, it's an expression for a screw up." Since then, I've heard it a handful times in that context. It's certainly not ubiquitous so I shouldn't be surprised some people haven't heard it. Also, cultures are different at different ranks, maybe it's a Gold thing =P
: > [{quoted}](name=5 Dollar Holler,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g4zBiRo2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-31T14:14:42.142+0000) > > mid died 5 times in a row, said "Guess I'm trolling, bye" and immediately quit. It sounds sorta like someone accused them of trolling.
> [{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g4zBiRo2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-31T19:36:37.370+0000) > > It sounds sorta like someone accused them of trolling. Not sure if you're serious or not, but this is a common expression that people say about themselves when they're having a bad game or make a bad play. Basically the equivalent of "ugh, I screwed up, I'm trolling you guys I don't know what's with me."
Rioter Comments
ježdovec (EUNE)
: LET'S STOP PERMABANS AND REVERT BANNED ACCOUNTS!
> [{quoted}](name=ježdovec,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oqspFJgQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-30T19:19:07.469+0000) > > I myself have worked a few weeks as a dishwasher so I can buy rp and get orbs to get skins, I know that accounts are your property but our money isn't. I've spent so much on this game Why would you spend real world money on a game that is free to play? So that your champion's pixels will be green instead of blue? I dunno about that.
: Can Someone Explain How Illaoi Hasn't Been Removed For Balancing?
She's pretty broken, I have to admit. I find that you can crush her in lane and she can still win from splut pushing. Had a game recently where she went like 0-6 in lane. I camped the heck out of her as jungler. By 20 minutes we still had to send 4 people to deal with her split push because she'd easily win a 1v2, and likely win a 1v3 (and she'd last a hell of a long time in the fight, often getting 1-2 kills). It strikes me that there is a balance concern if someone can lose that badly and still be just as unstoppable when she gets her 2 items. Yorick and Kayle are examples of other champions that can be effective while losing early game, but they're nowhere near as hard to beat.
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: At what point is Riot start taking AFK/Leaver behavior seriously?
Just happened to me again. Back to back games, someone on my team announced he's going AFK and quits. This is incredible. And to get these free losses back I probably have to play 45 minute long, hard-fought wins.
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: > If number of reports plays a factor It does not.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0U5xeuHt,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-24T15:19:51.916+0000) > > It does not. You keep saying this. Is there a source for this? Or is this "forum expertise" aka one person said it, someone else said "I've heard this before" and eventually it becomes a truism? I don't believe Riot would divulge this to be the case if it were true. So we're both guessing...
: AFK game once again
Happens to me all the time. I had a stretch of 9 games **this week** where I had 3 games with leavers. 33% leaver rate at G3. And what happens to them? Nothing. They get a pop up to promise not to disconnect again (lol). I had a guy in my game yesterday playing mid. I won't use his real player name, but it was along the lines of "IDCaLot." This guy left 3 minutes in, connected back around 7 minutes, left again around 11 minutes, came back at 13 minutes, and then left around 21 minutes until the game ended shortly thereafter. We got hosed because our jungler was trying to cover mid in his absence. Best part is, he wasn't even tagged by LeaverBuster (the big X in the portrait). He comes back to the end game lobby and goes "Sorry team. I get on this account when I know my connection's going to be bad. So far haven't been punished... RIP your winrates." It's a huge joke, the people who leave my games intentionally even taunt us in chat. I've had a game where a friendly Riven plays against a Teemo, dies and says "Yeah I'm not in the mood to play against Teemo. Good thing Riot doesn't enforce leaving games." And leaves.
: > If I ban a hovered champ for 100 games, and in each of the 100 games that person reports me for "griefing" category, do you all really believe Riot's AI would not take any action? That is correct, because invalid reports are thrown out. If someone reports you 10,000 times for negativity in chat and you never say anything negative in chat, you aren't going to get punished just because people reported you.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0U5xeuHt,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T14:56:48.817+0000) > > That is correct, because invalid reports are thrown out. > > If someone reports you 10,000 times for negativity in chat and you never say anything negative in chat, you aren't going to get punished just because people reported you. Chat negativity is easy, there's a log. Not the example I used. I can grief without it being detectable by any quantifiable measure. For example, I vote to surrender, team votes no, I decide game is lost so I just spend the rest of the game jungling or split pushing waiting for the enemy team to win. I have given up, I'd even tell you so if you asked me. However I'm not dumb enough to say so in chat, and in fact I lay the groundwork for my defense by saying "I need some farm" or "split pushing is a viable strat that I think we need to use." But I know and my team knows I've given up. What happens to that report? How would Riot know if it's valid or invalid? They can't. Riot is not going to pay someone to watch the replay of these games. The only thing that makes sense is either 1) No one actually gets punished for griefing, or 2) it's such a gray category, the only punishment that can be handed down is based on number of reports. If number of reports plays a factor, then report away for anything you want - including lobby bans.
: I kinda wish Riot would just enforce a meta already, though i dont know how that would go.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HUAKAaj9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-24T04:18:13.922+0000) > > I kinda wish Riot would just enforce a meta already, though i dont know how that would go. They are doing this by forcing you to queue for a physical position on the field. Top, Mid, Bot, Jungle. Support is the only one that's up to interpretation. In DOTA, the "meta" was 1-1-3 with two supports bottom (one of them supposed to be jungling, but sometimes it was just stacking and pulling waves, etc). Could also do 2-1-2 which is viable. No jungler. But with dragon, buffs, etc, Riot has made not jungling impossible.
: Unfortunately it's not. Certain support champions like Pyke or Alistar will try to tell you that's what they're SUPPOSE to do. I call serious bullshit on that, but it's enough of an excuse to get past any reports.
> [{quoted}](name=BlackKnightJack,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HUAKAaj9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-24T04:06:03.425+0000) > > Unfortunately it's not. Certain support champions like Pyke or Alistar will try to tell you that's what they're SUPPOSE to do. I call serious bullshit on that, but it's enough of an excuse to get past any reports. Why unfortunately? I play a good amount of Support, and hate when ADCs complain that they can't be on their own for 30 seconds. A couple games back I played Bard and was able to get multiple kills roaming mid, collect chimes, get dragon, etc. You shouldn't need a babysitter bottom, learn to play cautiously for a few seconds. This is especially true when I'm supporting a weak early game champion who is just farming, like Ez just hitting Qs on minions. You don't need me there all the time. You have a flash built into your kit.
: Anyone, including yourself, can ban any champion for any reason they want. So no, you can't report someone for playing draft pick **the way it was designed**. Look, we all know it can be frustrating, but pick intent is just that - intent. You don't always get what you hover, and you can change what you're hovering at any time. Draft pick goes ban phase then pick phase, bottom line.
You can report any player in your game for any reason you choose. Whether Riot acts on that information is a different story. People are liberal with the report feature. I suspect the Riot AI has some built-in function that might look more closely at an account if they have a high percentage of Reports-to-Matches ratio. Imagine an account gets hundreds of reports for doing what the OP said. Call it griefing (how does Riot even enforce "giving up/griefing"? They don't spend man-hours watching game replays, and it's perhaps the least clear-cut report category. The system MUST view it as as function of how many reports there have been.) If I ban a hovered champ for 100 games, and in each of the 100 games that person reports me for "griefing" category, do you all really believe Riot's AI would not take any action? How the heck would it know why I was even being reported since most people don't take the time to fill out the details? It'd just assume as a percentage the masses must be right.
: Does the League community have toxic fuckos? Yes. Absolutely. 100%. Is the League community majority these players? Nope. Yes, there's toxic people, but that's every game. There's not a single game out there that has 0 toxic people in it, that's a fact of life. And don't give me that whole "But I see a toxic troll every other game!". There's 9 other people besides yourself every game, why are you acting like 1 of them being toxic makes the entire community toxic? I guarantee that you've played with more non toxic players in your entire league life span than toxic ones, but it doesn't seem that way because you don't REMEMBER the non toxic experiences.
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9k9L9rsd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-18T20:31:54.372+0000) > Yes, there's toxic people, but that's every game. Yes every game has toxic players... but the % of toxic players in League is much higher. I honestly cannot remember the last time I had a game where someone on my team or the enemy team didn't say something toxic in chat. Honestly, it's STRANGE for me to have a game where someone isn't announcing they're reporting someone else for X Y or Z behavior. So yeah, 10 players in a match, at least 1 is toxic, you can say "hey 90% of players arent toxic." But there's toxicity in nearly every match. Contrast that with other games I play, I don't have NEARLY the same amount of bad attitude encountered. There are no other games where I mute everyone in the match before the game even begins, or have even been tempted to do so, which I've done in League after a stretch of particularly toxic behaviors.
: TOLD TO KILL MYSELF!!!
The only thing you can do to ensure you won't be punished is to not communicate with your team at all ever. In a fictional land ruled by Riot, if someone breaks into your house and shoots at you and your family, and you shoot back at the invader, both people would serve equal jail time for attempted murder.
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: People prefer to forfeit instead of fighting
> [{quoted}](name=Soanoyu,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KXa5dBJk,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-17T22:58:25.587+0000) > > I currently have a demotion protection and I've lost over 7 games in a row. Every game there's one teamate that goes afk or intentionally griefs for the stupidest reason. If you're demotion protection is from a tier to tier, take it from me and stop playing Ranked. Last season, I fell on a crazy loss streak as Gold 4 and fell back to Silver right at the end of the season. Missed the end of season rewards, as I was never able to climb back to Gold. If I ever go on Demotion Protection again I'm quitting the game for the rest of the year.
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