Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 17
For Darius buffs are you guys considering giving him his full reset at lvl 11? because that's what I want the most. then maybe some base dmg on q or r. Also I don't care about attack speed on him.
: your link is sourcing from Season 7, not Season 8. No wonder your stats were wrong.
: This is because every champion is different, and what they are struggling with may require more or less attention to balance. Win rate is not the sole basis for deciding a champion needs work. It may be an indicator that the champion is struggling, but it cannot be used as the sole reason used when arguing a champion needs work. # I challenge you to discuss Darius's kit and talk about how the preseason affects Darius, making him better or worse. Don't regurgitate win% expecting others to think, "oh okay, seems legit. BUFF NAO!!!"
I already made a thread like that but the board seem to fuel on crying instead. look it up here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dvyEkGlF-darius-is-really-bad-with-runes-reforged-what-can-we-do-about-it
Yma S (NA)
: Riot won't buff Darius, he shits on bronze and normals too hard
Darius does about the same in all elo, he has a low 45% winrate in bronze right now. He's bad in every elo.
: Becuase Darius is a juggernaut, and juggernauts are problem children. Any buff to him would just increase his lane dominance, without helping what's really wrong with him.
his "lane dominance" as you call it is almost completely gone, with all the nerfs he got and the shit attack speed + fervor removal he is not a threat to anyone + he has plenty of counterplay already, increasing his raw power wouldn't make him a stat check like buffing Irelia would and not to mention he was already on the weak side before the runes change.
: I dont think they would buff darius without him being even more oppressive in low elo.
Do you even know what an oppressive champ even is? Darius has Clear weakness and strength he also do about the same in EVERY elo from bronze to challenger. he is nowhere near oppressive at all. some bronze player might think he is because they run straight into his q and literally int him but that doesn't make him so. A real oppressive champ would be something like riven/panth/akali something you just cant counter by outplay they just run you down unless you have more stats
: Taliyahs winrate has dropped from 48% to 46 - 45.5% since the pre-season patch. Where do you get your 49% from?
http://na.op.gg/champion/taliyah/statistics/mid by linking you that I just realized her WR even went UP
: Well taking an inhib at 12 minutes might mean a champion is a tad overtuned. Yorick's splitpushing power with his ult, passive and Q buff is immense.
: The yorick win rate is hotfix worthy (Riot actually said if this was a normal patch he would have been hotfixed, same with ezreal), so I can understand nerfing him.
I Doubt 54% is hotfixing worthy and I never saw a single nerf to pantheon when he's been at 54%+ wr for a year now. yorick still has all his counterplay available while pantheon only spam q like an ape and has no counterplay whatsoever
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=5 Stacks GG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dvyEkGlF,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-09T23:58:28.781+0000) > >he lost 15% attack speed runes i mean. he gets 18% attack speed from precision. i understand that darius winrate took a dive this patch, but that cant be the reason.
its fervor mostly but no darius get the precision tree, its pure shit on him
: Touching base on Runes Balance for Pre-season
Any comments on what will happen to Darius? he is sitting at 46% wr rn. I made a thread about it maybe check it out: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dvyEkGlF-darius-is-really-bad-with-runes-reforged-what-can-we-do-about-it
Rioter Comments
: Preseason Attack Speed Tweaks
I'm guessing Darius didn't get any attack speed bonus at lvl one because of this upcoming change? Because right now he's really weak, I think he will need more than just attack speed to make him good again :/
: Haven't played much Darius on Runes myself, but there's a couple Keystones that I think are underrated on him and maybe you'll like: Phase Rush: Pretty easy to proc anytime you're in range to W via auto -> W -> Q. With the MS afterwards you can stick on them and usually on Darius if you can do that you're winning the fight. Glacial Augment: This allows for the old level 1 W cheese all-in on Darius. The slow on Glacial Augment actually ramps up and is almost nothing at the start, so you actually aren't overlapping the W and Glacial slow too much as the W will be slowing during the weakest part of the Glacial slow.
in high elo no one fall for the w cheese and all It does it push your waves in so you get ganked. He's at 46% wr this patch and he lost 15% attack speed on runes and fervor, he now has 55 less dmg on ult now with fervor at max stacks. I would like Darius to get his full reset unlocks at lvl 11, the lane is over by then and he shouldnt be punished for getting the reset past lanning. Also I think he either need his Q Width half reverted to 250 from 220 OR increase the base damage of ult to 110/220/330.
Rebonack (NA)
: May not totally mitigate things, but Zed won't be able to start with a Lethality runepage anymore, either.
or get MR blues. mages will be stronger next season and yet they still complain lol
GigglesO (NA)
: Why is morde getting gutted on the PBE?
Darius and Garen got nothing...
gregab (NA)
: Runes Corner: Three More Resolve Runes
wait, so Darius isn't gonna have base stats updates like other champion with removal of runes because of perseverance? Because As a Darius adept I don't find this attractive compared to the boots free at 10 min, the CDR cap being added as bonus AD, the tenacity based on legend stack or the gathering the storm one.
Meddler (NA)
: I'm personally cautious about some champs who are decent duelists who often split push. There are a couple of runes we haven't revealed yet, one of which gives good dueling power, the other of which helps with tower taking as melee. Probably ok, hence the plan to release those runes without changes to champs like Jax, Trynd, Darius etc, definitely going to want to watch those cases in particular though. Would disagree that Lux gets 40% free CDR right away. Ultimore and Overcharger could get you to 30% eventually, and in some cirucmstances that'll stack with refund on kill on the ult certainly. It'll take a while though and there's a cost in there (you're giving up two rune slots that could be offering other significant power).
Are you saying Darius won't get any base stats changes? if so he's already weak as is, having no as and ad early + no fervor will hurt him a lot
Salson (EUNE)
: Damn, those nerfs hit high elo hard. Do you have any idea how to buff Darius's teamfighting potential, without buffing his early game. As G3, I can tell you that his laning phase is what breaks him here, which is sadly what caused the pointless nerfs in the first place.
I think a good start would be making his ult fully reset at level 11 instead of 16, after that I would just wait for the runes change before doing anything else.
: no? i know you renamed yourself, but weren't you challenger? I myself don't play Darius anymore, i just onetrick morde and have 73% win rate on 130 games in d1/master Darius on the other hand, legit has no burst unlike morde, all his power is cornered around 5 stacks, something that he can't get anymore with all those ccs Papa dunk is d2 when he was master https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=jeanfrancois this guy named jeanfrancois was THE ONLY challenger otp darius in EUW, and now he is master tier 0 lp all darius players are now lower ranks than what they were in high elo it's sad
: > [{quoted}](name=TheHappyReaperz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zIRRENGT,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-08-27T19:00:33.592+0000) > >Darius isn't bad, and didn't become bad becuase everyone was better than him, Darius is beyond garbage above d1, no one plays him, no one cares about him and the few darius players here are for some reasons lower ranks than what they were (truenoxianmight, papa dunk) > [{quoted}](name=TheHappyReaperz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zIRRENGT,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-08-27T19:00:33.592+0000) > > Ivern's getting buffed, as he's currently sitting at a 48.6% winrate, https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ivern/platinum nice try > [{quoted}](name=TheHappyReaperz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zIRRENGT,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-08-27T19:00:33.592+0000) > > Leona is sitting at a 47.7% winrate (Diamond +), so you're blind? or you can't read that buffing her when ardent is stupid is useless? it's just going to break everything once ardent will be gutted Leona win rate dropped from 50% to 47.7% because more people tried to play her Which means Leona mains were already doing good, but they tried to buff a champion that did not fit to the meta so everyone including non-mains play her, terrible terrible decision https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/leona/diamond
when you mean TrueNoxianMIght, you don't think the guy who has stolen my name cuz of my stupidity, I renamed myself 5 Stacks GG now but yeah Darius is a lot worse than he was back then, it's a lot harder to get high master.
: The only problem with this would be that he would terrorize bronze (and maybe silver) in a way only yi and teemo have before. His winrate would be ridiculous and they'd all cry about it, and they're the majority unfortunately. I think it would be a healthy change for high elo, but it's not going to happen.
Darius wr this patch in Bronze -> 46% Darius winrate this patch in diamond -> 50% hes not a low elo pub stomper anymore that's a false assumption ppl still have over the old Darius.
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 11
How do you feel about Darius? hes at 48.24% wr this patch and declining every patch. what is your thought on making him have his full reset at lvl 11 instead of 16?
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: July 14
Hey Meddler what do you think of Darius getting his Ult Full reset unlocks at level 11? atm It feel so bad to get a pick in the mid game with ult then have the enemy just wait the 20 sec off only to reengage on your team or do drag/w.e and make you useless since you lost 80% of your kit while you played well and got the reset, Darius has already plenty of counterplay already and this would help him earlier in the game while keeping his lanning phase the same kinda like you just did with garen passive in 7.14 Back in patch 3.03 Darius got his full reset removed cuz of his lanning snowball but was reintroduced at lvl 16 in the patch 5.7 I think and I feel like Darius should have it unlocks at lvl 11, games doesn't last as long anymore and the lanning phase is over by the time you reach 11. Also It would make it so you have to make a desicion, do you try to go for the full reset in case you need it again in 30 seconds at dragon or something, risky them to flash away or have their cd back or do you use it as soon as u have 5 stacks and secure the kill with the bleed and discourage them to use flash after getting chunked. I'd like to hear your thought on Darius.
: lol did your main get banned from boards or something this is a really reasonable buff though, i like it
this is my main lol. A series of unfortunate event made it so I lost my old name
Rioter Comments
: If a bug fix ends up being a significant nerf, can we not put it under the seldom read bugfixes...
Rioter Comments
: Can we in the very least TALK about Darius?
id like darius to get reverted to pre rework or have another rework, maybe make his max stack before he get noxian might higher but make his q instant again or something. I used to spam darius everygame even in normal but the rework made him less fun to play for me at least the whole clunkiness they added for more "counterplay" made him a lot less fun sometimes and feel even more worthless than pre rework
: Patch Chat with the Playtest Team - 7.8
Do you think the new gargoyle item will be subject to abuse? for champs with any hp healing, like vlad, voli, cho gath darius for %missing hp healing same for illaoi?
: darius can't oneshot with ult you're not the only darius player but it's still going to be stupid, i hope they will make true damage reduced
yep I hope so too, I dont want Darius nerfed cuz of some stupid item
: oh yeah I didn't even think of that Garen vs a Villain, Cho'Gath scaling HP true damage execute, Darius, CAMILLE... that's gonna be disgusting LOL edit: holy shit, the 100% health increase on cho'gath, basically doubles the scaling you'll get to your ult. gonna b so busted
holy shit that and champ with % healing pop the active and heal for so much
: Very good thread, didn't find a single point that was false i think you will be downvoted tho because of the way you wrote the thread, too much fcking
I feel like darius should be worked on again or reverted do u feel the same?
: > [{quoted}](name=thebloody7,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N5OZmUbp,comment-id=001200000001,timestamp=2017-03-01T19:52:08.061+0000) > > darius does not have 54% winrate on op gg but nice bias https://na.op.gg/champion/darius/statistics/top He does on NA actually.
stats are wrong darius cant have 54% wr hes fucking garbage
: leagueofgraphs lmao OP.GG is the only sight I trust and Riot has said that it is the most reliable and accurate
darius does not have 54% winrate on op gg but nice bias darius has PLENTYFUL counterplays and if u have trouble vs him its YOUR fault ONLY
: Honestly? The state of some champions in this game right now is disgusting
the fact that you say darius has 54% winrate and 10% playrate only point out that you are actually dumb as fuck LOL you're low elo for a reason don't blame anything else but you.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hXIMF9v2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-08T21:35:49.079+0000) > > it's beautiful > > I never thought we'd see it happen all at once > > that cleaver buff is suspect as hell though; I'm going to assume they're lowering its AD or something and we haven't seen it yet Was a datamining thing. The full changelist on Cleaver is: New build path: Phage + Kindlegem + 1000 gold (total cost 3050, down from 3100) Health: 400 (increased from 300) Attack Damage: 40 (decreased from 50) Still discussing whether that AD number is correct or if we should take 5 more out of it in exchange for either a bit more health or a bit less combine cost.
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Dormidon (EUW)
: Morello's "prophecy" on Darius current state
Yep, Darius is absolutely pure garbage in High elo if he doesn't have a team to tank/bait for him to get 5 stacks or depending if the enemy pick low mobility champ without cc. I'd really like if riot reworked him again. I'd also glady prefer having his q instant again and not have a heal.
Meddler (NA)
: Darius has been on our watchlist for a while having been pretty dominant top lane since the pre-season. We initially wondered if it was just Courage of the Colossus being overtuned and whether we should avoid making any changes to him until that had been nerfed. Grasp of the Undying builds seem to be performing just as well on him however, so we concluded we did need to take some power out of Darius himself.
Have you also thought about when you made ranged minions have less hp it actually buffed his waveclear, making him able to oneshot the ranged caster minions at lvl 9 with little AD it made him stronger for sure too. also are you confident with the way you are nerfing him on PBE or you feel he'll need more changes?
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MagÊ (EUW)
: he is still perfectly fine, i don't see how colossus breaks darius
It doesn't break him, what I meant is colossus is the reason why his winrate jumped from 50% to 52%. Darius use it very well and it made Tanks more popular that's 2 bird one stone right there.
: > [{quoted}](name=dominusx,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kPA5AEf,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-12-31T10:29:11.181+0000) > > He doesnt need nerfs regadless. He cant get resets with all the stupidly broken shields. Not to mention he melts in seconds unless he gets to flash hit 3 people with Q. You dont know how fun it is to flash dunk someone only to get a 400hp shield from a karma and negate your reset . then die because the adc melts you in 4 hits He does. His win rate is too high. Nothing can duel him in lane.
his winrate is high only because of stupid colossus, you can cry all u want darius will not get nerfed. he was perfectly fine before they added it
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: the nerf Darius needs
is this thread serious? you already see an indication of his Q... just inform yourself before posting next time.
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Rioter Comments
: We will be looking into nerfing CoC first and then re-evaluate the power level of the champions affected. Personally, I suspect that some of the heaviest abusers will need further adjustments even after we hit CoC.
can you tell us who are be the heaviest abuser? im getting worried to see a nerf on my fav champion cuz of a mastery I dont even like/use
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