Myrmiron (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=6Asmodeus6,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TPFnXawL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-17T02:10:02.332+0000) > > I think ill choose garen to main top with but its so hard to find a main if I never feel like im doing good enough to carry. If im losing more than half my games on a champ, i switch to another and i keep switching until i start winning but that doesnt happen often That's exactly wrong. If you want to climb your \#1 priority should be improving. If you improve you'll naturally win more games, but if you only play to win you'll easily tilt and stay in your current rank forever. For you personally a loss should be of equal value as a win because you can learn from both games equally (you may even learn more from a loss).
> [{quoted}](name=Myrmiron,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TPFnXawL,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T02:16:15.416+0000) > > That's exactly wrong. > If you want to climb your \#1 priority should be improving. > If you improve you'll naturally win more games, but if you only play to win you'll easily tilt and stay in your current rank forever. > For you personally a loss should be of equal value as a win because you can learn from both games equally (you may even learn more from a loss). Well, im trying to improve honestly, every game I try to do something better but I guess idk what is actually improving since ive been silver 3 for 3 years
Myrmiron (EUW)
: So a glanced a bit over your op.gg but honestly you haven't played enough for me to make a judgement based off of your raked stats. It looks like you still haven't really figured out yet even what lane you like to play because you may have >100 games played but at most only 17 games on the same champion, so my first tip to climbing would be, figure out what champion you like to play and then stick to it. Onetricking a champion is the easiest AND most efficient way to not only climbing but also improving at the game as a whole.
I think ill choose garen to main top with but its so hard to find a main if I never feel like im doing good enough to carry. If im losing more than half my games on a champ, i switch to another and i keep switching until i start winning but that doesnt happen often
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: > I tried out most to all of the different supports, Trying out every support that's out their will indeed be helpfull to known what you play against. But I wouldn't focus on trying to master everyone of them when playing in a silver elo. > I watch countless of youtube videos on my champ and guides on them hours on end. I have a ton of knowledge in my head but in game I am totally awful I have a feeling your trying out to many things on to many different champions. Watching video's is nice but I have a feeling you look to much of them without watching your own gameplay. Use the replay system to your advantage and start watching your own games. When possible watch it on a slower speed so you can determ your own mistakes and solve them for future games. > and it's kinda pissing me off because with all of the time i spent towards this game, ive been silver 3-4 within a 3 years span. Play around 5 hours a day on weekdays and more on weekends. Spending so much time is not always productive. Instead of playing 5 hour league of legends. Play 2 hours & take the other 2 hours to watch the games (preferable the games you lost). > I mostly play nami, braum, soraka and blitzcrank. I die averagely 8-10 times a game which im kinda clueless on too because i die most of the time alone vs in teamfights. That's indeed a hard combination in lower mmr. Enchanters tend to be very team depended. Braum is not that good in lower mmr (he's more of a time bomb that is team depended where you can't rely on in lower mmr). Blitz is fine but ones your in high silver players tend to adapt to him & it takes more mastery to get him out of the lane fase. > Could anyone give me some tips or play some games with me to see what im doing wrong? Im trying to improve but whatever I try I get no results and its pathetic. Thanks guys The first thing I noticed is that you pick {{champion:267}} against very unfavorable matchups. In one of your games you had an {{champion:498}} adc against a {{champion:63}} {{champion:236}} botlane. The second thing I noticed is you don't build for the situation on {{champion:267}}. You build {{item:3504}} for {{champion:202}} in one of your games. Their where play of other items that would suit that situation better like {{item:3174}}. The enemy team exist almost entirely out of magic damage. So that change would probally give you an entire different game. Question: Do you use attackmove? This is what I recommand: Try to stick with the same support in ranked. This way you have a better unstanding on the matchups and you will recieve less deaths when in a bad matchup. I suggest you stick with Braum. Alternatively you can go {{champion:267}} or {{champion:16}}. I feel your Nami could be OK if you would build her correctly. Try {{champion:37}} her kit is similar.
Answer: I do attack move Thanks for all that info, really appreciate it. I usually stick to one build for each of my champs and go that every game because I dont like sitting in base for a long time trying to figure out whats good or not (and that I also don't know whats best). For brand support and lucian botlane, what support do you think would be best? I thought nami would be good because she has a heal for all of brands massive poke and a disengage for lucians ult or when he uses his dash. I'd like to try sona like you said, she seems good in the right situations. Im just trying to get some blue essence to be able to afford her, takes like a week or more to just get one champ.
: > [{quoted}](name=6Asmodeus6,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=luZcxbXz,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-23T20:15:04.390+0000) > > So if im playing a champ such as alistar as youre saying 'protect your teammates', should i use my abilities to engage or peel? I never ever know and thats my biggest mistake in games is that i never know if i should peel or attack at the beginning of team fights Keeping your teammates alive is always your highest priority, besides keeping yourself alive. Obviously no one is perfect, so this ideal isn't always achievable, try to keep that in mind and never be too hard on yourself. There is a lot that goes into understanding trades that you will or won't win. Vision is a key element, which many players here are suggesting, but that alone isn't always enough. Basically in a solo queue match, you are placed with strangers. You do not know what the other players can or can't do. Looking up players can be some indicator, but it's not a fool proof solution. Your teammate, or the enemy for that matter, could potentially be a bone head or he could be Faker. If you want to consistently win however, the trick is to never find out. If you engage without a full understanding of what you're doing (and why), you could be making a mistake. There's also the potential that your team is not ready for an engage, and you will die for nothing. This is why it's best to not jump in at the enemy team (right away) in fights. It's really difficult to punish a player who is "playing scared" and more often than not, a bad player will make mistakes trying to engage on people who are playing in this manner (which is what you want the enemy to do). To answer your question though, peeling is always the best option if you have the crowd control to do so, and can survive while doing it. Basically, you don't want to be chasing the enemy team's AD Carry around while the enemy team's Riven kills the other 4 of your teammates. Not protecting the back lines is the biggest mistake made in lower tiers, but it's also the easiest mentality to actively change and fix (for someone not as well practiced in League). Also, try to remember there are different things that are important at different "levels". There is a lot of good advice (some that I've seen here) that actually might not fully apply to you because it assumes you are a good player. It's a mistake that most players who teach this game make, where they can't comprehend what it's like to not be a really good player. Learning how and where to ward is a good skill, but it's a more advanced skill that you should not be as worried about for now. Just making sure you always have a ward down somewhere is plenty good enough. I am 99% certain, that I can climb all the way from Iron 4 to at least Gold 4 without putting a single ward down. If you wanna play Support in these lower tiers, you need to be well practiced at basic lane skills and how to team fight, and that alone is enough for you to climb out of Silver. I follow basically what I am saying to you, so if you don't believe me you can check my match history to figure out what I'm talking about. I play Nunu Jungle mostly, and I almost never ward anything, and I win damn near every game. Playing a fat tank and keeping your teammates alive is almost always enough to win. There are some players occasionally who are just too good for me, but usually the enemies can't kill me or my team and we end up rolling them in team fights. It's the easiest strategy for a less skilled player to learn than to trying to perfect every skill in League (which is what you'll basically have to do to play any other type of champion).
Thanks for all the tips dude, ill trust ya. On top of that, I do ward as much as I can and Iv'e watched pro games and guides on best ward placements for early/mid/late game so I got that down most of the time
: It really depends on your champ tbh. But with a supp like alistar.. you should definitely be engaging, since his ult makes him unkillable xd
True but as a support does it matter if you die in a teamfight vs your teammates? I think I have the mindset of "im dying for my team, its not a big deal if I die here"
: I can't really help you other than to say can't avoid what you can't see and cant be the first to unload dmg before other can respond if they see you before you see them. If you can focus on improving vision and vision denial. Get sweeper after getting your ward quest completed, and buy reds. If you can improve keeping vision all game in area around where you will be in the near future and keeping enemy wards removed when appropriate. That can and will swing a game. I just really honestly hate playing this game in the dark. Pros overused every warding method out there to make games no fun for riot in prior seasons; that they slowly been removing some of the vision from the game consistently over time. Junglers use to be able to buy a sitestone; use to be able to buy what was called a trackers knife to ward with. Use to be other jungler items in distant past that would place wards. anybody use to be able to buy green wards that lasted like 3 or 4 minutes. u use to be able to have more than one red in play back early in the days when it was a pink ward. I tried to look it up but don't remember and can't tell what the limit was. patch 3.14 is where it said it was modified to be limited to 1. Doesn't say from what :P. Its just low duration yellows for laners, a red and yellows for jungler and hopefully crabs; and every other source of vision is on your back. If you can do so safely because one of the bot laners recalled or you spot enemy jungler way up top and if you have a champion that has cc and can take crab quickly go take the river scuttler crab for vision. Morg takes them real well and there are others that do so just as well. If you cc the crab it loses its magic resist and armor and takes dmg quicker during a set amount of time after the cc. I mention that cause crabs are vision/wards as much as anything else is now. Ur jungler might prefer it cause of xp/gold but better either of u go get it than enemy jungler and ur jungler may be in base or up top somewhere; but if ur jungler is near or trying to take it still can go help or just give him moral support incase enemy jungler shows up to challenge or bot has vision and tries to cut him off from you.
I make sure to do the first thing in your first paragraph every single game and I do. Warding is the part I die though, I like to ward aggressively (as far as up to the enemy health/mana camps) so that it helps my jungle who hopefully watches the map and know where everyones at but I also have a 50/50% chance I die
: You die way too much, especially on nami. Nami has really strong lane pressure so make sure to w on cooldown. Make sure you don't buy ardent first when you get an adc like ezreal since they use abilities more than autos. Go for athenes instead. Nami is great, maybe not so much in silver. You also should buy more control wards. I usually buy 5-15 per game. Always ward objectives. I suggest playing more aggressive supports like brand and zyra since adcs in silver are pretty trash. You just cant depend on them to carry. I couldn't get out of silver playing support so i just climbed to plat with mid. Support is a pretty bad role to climb in silver honestly. >because i die most of the time alone vs in teamfights. Watch your map, if you can see everyone then you can roam, get vision etc. If no ones on the map then assume they are on an objective or in a bush trying to make a pick. Youll die less thinking like that. Tldr: Play brand and zyra, time summoner spells, buy more control wards, ward more and die less.
I watch my map a ton and am very map aware when I can actually see the enemies but when im trying to ward rivers/enemy jungles, thats where I die. I ward the bot river bush to help the mid from ganks or dragon and the enemy blue/red depending on the side you start on
: Add me as friend on “BeckyBecks” but only if your flex rank is silver II else can’t duo. I’ll do my best to provide pinpoint your mistakes ^_^ your choice tho. Or just add me and I’ll watch your replays.
: > [{quoted}](name=6Asmodeus6,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=luZcxbXz,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-23T01:50:31.463+0000) > > Pyke and brand 100% destroy me in lane everytime I go against them so i could possibly try them. I cant really do 1v1's thats why I picked to focus on support. I also don't have any friends that play this game and rarely people add me back on league so 99.9% of the time I play by myself The easiest way to win in Silver is to pick a champion who is a super beef cow and just protect your teammates. Lack of follow up, map awareness, and bad engages are the biggest problems you are going to encounter with lower quality teammates. I would recommend champions more like Janna, Nautilus, Shen, Galio, or Cho'Gath as they can be useful with minimal gold and be a good disengage or fail safe when your team gets into sketchy situations. Passive aggressive is the best way to play when you don't fully understand what you're doing. Never commit to an engage (because you can't be certain whether or not you're going to win), but always be fully ready to move somewhere and help your teammates if it looks like a fight is about to start. Keep a close eye on your Jungle and Mid. Don't be afraid to start moving Mid if you see a lot of fighting going on there and you can move there safely. The same goes with your Jungler. If you see he is in the other team's Jungle or the enemy Jungle is always on your guy's side, try to move and help him everytime you can. This is the key to being a successful player in general at lower tiers (meaning not just advice for supports). At higher tiers, enemy players will punish you hard for making aggressive roams, but this is rarely the case in Silver (Bronze, Iron). Usually the enemies that you're facing are similar to you, where they don't understand what they're doing so they don't know to engage 2v1 on your ADC or to follow and rotate to counter you. Also, staying alive always needs to be your top priority. Help your teammates when you can, but don't sacrifice yourself for anyone. Often your death is going to be for nothing because you can't predict what the other player on your team is going to do even if you save him or her. The odds of them doing something useful with the extra time you spared them is very low, I don't want to say it will never pay off, but in Silver when you die for someone, they usually also end up dying without accomplishing anything -- so stay alive at all costs.
So if im playing a champ such as alistar as youre saying 'protect your teammates', should i use my abilities to engage or peel? I never ever know and thats my biggest mistake in games is that i never know if i should peel or attack at the beginning of team fights
Ilovemobas (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=6Asmodeus6,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=luZcxbXz,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-23T01:09:04.383+0000) > > Ive tried other roles such as top and mid but I can never compete against anyone else and my best role is support and I think its the most fun so thats what I just always play but i can maybe try to switch roles again to try, idk. That is sorta true though that I want my team to carry me because I know everyone else is so much better and i dont trust myself to carry at all Self confidence is extremely important if you want to climb elo. The other players in your silver games should be no better or worse than you in general. Believe in youself. Last hitting minions (obviously not as support if your adc is with you), vision control and dragon/baron are extreme important if you want to win reliably.
Yeah. Maybe it's because I dont know how to play against certain champs that everyone picks every game and I keep getting destroyed. Such as brand supp, pyke, leona, draven, vel koz and a couple more just down right stomp me.
: if u know these 2 things and actually do it to will get diamond just like a smurf . 1- VISION wins the game for you. 2- PLAY MAKING. alot of players ( not alot actually all of them) in low elo they dont know how or when or where start a team fight. if u do that for them and make plays. u win the game
I know that in my head those things are crucial for any support but warding/clearing I die a lot, im alone most of the time because everyone usually stays in their own lanes so im the one taking action for that. Play making is tricky for me a lot because as a support, should i use my abilities to engage? or should I save them for peel? That goes along in my head at the beginning of every fight
: How long have you been gaming in general? 3 years on league is a good amount of time but if you've only been gaming for 3 years you will be at a disadvantage in terms of awareness/mechanical skill.
Ive been gaming my entire life but switched to PC 3 years ago and got league so id guess 3 since pc is different than console
Acekill3r (EUW)
: You die way too much, start respecting enemy vision, rotations, clearly vision with your team and not alone, spam help pings if you wanna clear, i am pretty sure that your game sense is off.
I usually do everything ward related by myself because no one goes anywhere but their own lane and being selfish so I just do stuff myself but I get killed that way. If i dont do it though who will? Thats my concern, im the person to do it but I die when I do
: Stay in lane more (exp on support is vastly vastly underrated) **but only when it’s safe**... I see lots of people backing and backing and backing instead stating and soaking that exp... your abilities do more the more levels you have Don’t roam around the map... that’s “LCS stuff.” Stay in your lane always. Get that Exp from the dying minions. If no one else is doing it (which is more then 50 percent of games in Silver)... move around the map and clear the minion waves. You’re taking farm but it’s better then letting them crash and damage your towers. I can’t tell you how many games when I’m auto filled support I have to clear minion waves to save the team. Rule of thumb in Silver: the team that does more rotations and SAFE (without dying) attacks on the minions will win through more pressure. ^ That’s pretty much the game no matter what role you pick. Hit those minions, don’t die... your team will be lazy and hungry for fights but clearing MUST be done. if more minions are moving towards the ennemy base... your winning (and losing if it’s the other way). It’s all about not dying, EXP, and minion pressure.
Ok. I generally rotate wherever is needed and/or ward the river and the enemy jungle once my adc backs. Thats where I usually die but if i dont, im just a sitting duck in lane doing nothing
: When it really comes down to it experiencing the game yourself is what makes you a better player, not the youtube league guides that are spammed everyday based on what the most broken champions are at the moment, though that doesnt seem like a big problem given you aren't looking just for any broken champion to play as but im just saying. I dont think the champions are the problem with you given you've played the game long enough and likely on the same champions like you said, but its just your strategy and game sense instead. This once again should really be something that you learn through failure by having played the game long enough, such as "I did that, it didnt work, what was the reason" instead of just making the same mistakes over and over again. There is way too much to go over given im not being paid to give a huge guide, and its not like im "high elo" anyway given i've only peaked mid-diamond. Dont you have some friends on league over the years who are higher elo who can do voice chat and tell you the mistakes you make and how to be better? Also, while support CAN carry it is still the least-carry oriented role so you either need to get really good at a "carry support" like Pyke/Nautilus, or pick up a mage like brand, zyra, morgana as they can easily carry given how good you are on them. Otherwise, maybe try a new role and figure out you have strengths suited for another role.
Pyke and brand 100% destroy me in lane everytime I go against them so i could possibly try them. I cant really do 1v1's thats why I picked to focus on support. I also don't have any friends that play this game and rarely people add me back on league so 99.9% of the time I play by myself
: Stop playing Support and play a real Role. You're probably playing Supp because you want your team to carry you. You have to carry your own games and you can't do that by playing Supp.
Ive tried other roles such as top and mid but I can never compete against anyone else and my best role is support and I think its the most fun so thats what I just always play but i can maybe try to switch roles again to try, idk. That is sorta true though that I want my team to carry me because I know everyone else is so much better and i dont trust myself to carry at all
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Modi (NA)
: I have never been punished for saying things like: > Hey guys, can we focus on the game? or > [Lane] it looks like [other lane] is struggling, can you help out? Saying "shut up" itself is not a kind way to get others to focus on the game. If they don't respond positively to your ask, then just mute them. Hey look, they stopped arguing, I don't see their chats anymore! The rules are meant to dissuade you from *joining* in the argument (a la "would both of you shut up?").
Asking if our team could focus on the game is something I haven't tried saying yet, I'll keep that one in mind, thanks. For when I do mute people it also annoys me on how much people type instead of playing the game like in lane you just see them standing there while a fight in happening or something else and they die or let others die
: > and if I friend a stranger, they just delete me if we have a bad game. lmaoooooooooooooooooo yeah even when you've won all ur games with them and are a smurf carrying them. I had it happen I was flabbergasted
Exactly lmao people are disgusting
: Generally, when I play a game and someone rages at another player for something (support accidentally takes a kill, jungler botches a gank), I keep an eye out for the player getting raged at. They gank my lane, success or no, I thank them in chat for trying to help. I see them make a good play, tell them good job. I have found that if you have that one toxic person that is targeting a specific player and you highlight the good things that the target player is doing, the toxic one will eventually drop it. Sometimes you get lucky and your team catches your drift and everyone is just showering the jungler with praise. If its two players fighting each other, it can get a little difficult to diffuse, but I've still used the overwhelmingly positive and complimenting the other (non-fighting) players, that sometimes the other two will stop. The moment they stop fighting, I compliment them both on something they did. Its not 100% successful, but at least the other players that aren't involved in the fighting get some heart warming Care Bear action.
yeah haha sometimes when I do compliment people who are arguing or is getting mad over something, they completely ignore my compliment (thats what im guessing for the most part as they don't reply and keep doing what theyre doing)
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