: ***
Ok but do they really though....
: You're now a Rioter. What's the first (reasonable/semi-reasonable) thing you do?
1. Revert Cass, Kindred, and LB reworks. 2. **_LASER TURRETS_** (also turret shield, and actual damage on regular turrets)
Rioter Comments
: Now as a Gold II Kayle main(played 20 games with a 80% winrate last season in ranked and have 80k mastery points on her)... Kayle kinda can get dumpstered by anyone in lane. After her core(Rageblade + Nashors + Breserker greaves) yeahh she's really strong. But she has to make it there. Highly mobile bruisers especially suck to face(looking at you Riven and Irelia). Try going in whenever her E is down means you basically instantly win the trade(it has a flat 16 second CDR and most Kayles max it first). Also worth noting that she CAN sustain really well in lane with W...until she goes outa mana. Which she does very quickly with the high W mana cost. Hopes this helps.
Kayle Guide: #1 farm and try not to die until you finish your core. #2 run it down mid and destroy their nexus.
zero356 (NA)
: Balance Thoughts: Talking 'bout some Champions (Yas, Zoe, Fiora, etc.)
I really like Fiora's new design tbh. Her vitals are clearly broadcasted and give clear counterplay ability to her lane opponents, and she has a really good ingame fantasy of the master duelist. Proccing her ult by popping all the vitals and not killing them is one of the most satisfying feelings in league IMO.
: Wrong. Kayle, just like Nasus and old Sion is a ball of stats, a stat-check champ. There's no real-time counter-play besides "CC'ing" or "Kill it fast" when playing against those champions, simply because they are based on point'n'click active skills and passives that just amplify their power without any "skill condition" (in opposite to kits like Ez's (Skillshots + passive)) - besides AA'ing an enemy champion, which is also point'n'click. Champions like Kayle, Nasus and Nunu will be eventually reworked due to their binary nature, just like old Sion, Taric and WW, as Riot already said multiple times that they despise "stat-check" kits.
Yeah I didn't wanna be the one to say Kayle was a no skill champ but idk she just kinda seems like... farm until you get items and then win.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fairyfleur,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XBc6YNa4,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-12-17T17:33:39.535+0000) > > Then why are you in Story Art and Sound? > > If you think lore is a waste then don't come to a thread clearly about the game's lore if you have nothing to add to the discussion besides, "I don't like League lore". Because I can express my opinion as I like? League lore is a joke and a waste of time and the small amount of $ they spend on it.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/311/569/a9c.gif
: They wouldn't be worth as much since they would use the same particles and everything. If they didn't, there wouldn't really be a good reason. It's the actions we have to expect from such a small and upcoming struggling company as Riot. When a company starts out, you have to be willing to work with them in their early days so that one day they can become what they aspire to be. EA.
There are plenty of skins that could have entirely new vfx and particles and be lore based. Stuff like Pre-Corruption {{champion:38}} or {{champion:110}}, human {{champion:61}}, syndra pre-syndra, human {{champion:32}}, Pre shadow isles literally anyone...
: What dumb things did you do/say when you started League?
Rushed GA every game, regardless of champion.
: Wait...you can play skyrim in VR? *seriously ponders if I should put myself into a ton of debt to get an HTC vive right now*
> [{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=d8yjgWcI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-07T13:52:36.537+0000) > > Wait...you can play skyrim in VR? > > *seriously ponders if I should put myself into a ton of debt to get an HTC vive right now* It's gotta be the psvr. Just wait until the hype dies and pick one up on Craigslist tbh
: Just an FYI no one is going to play Malzahar after the next patch goes live
Oh no... I never have to see a Malzahar again... the horror... /s
: > [{quoted}](name=A Liberal,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Q0hN6NhG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-01T13:50:50.021+0000) > > His old lore was the most generic revenge story ever tbh. It had been done a thousand times, at least this has only been done like... ten times. I don't really care if it's generic - it suited him and I liked it, and judging by the amount of posts against this change, I don't think I'm the only one. Just because this story is new doesn't mean it is good. It's just stupid imo and most of it isn't needed. As said in the OP, I think the only necessary change was the darkin bit to spice things up - not 2 gay people and taking away a lot of the tragedy that made him what I enjoyed.
It's still a tragic story you just must not see gay's as legit lovers tbh
: > [{quoted}](name=A Liberal,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Q0hN6NhG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-01T13:50:50.021+0000) > > His old lore was the most generic revenge story ever tbh. It had been done a thousand times, at least this has only been done like... ten times. To be fair I dont recall another story of an entity made out of an evil being and 2 gay man whose love keeps said evil being at bay from controlling the host body
Sounds like the plot of a strange sitcom when you say it like that
: > [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OmX5VE6K,comment-id=0000000f0000,timestamp=2017-12-01T06:56:06.109+0000) > > As is explained elsewhere in this thread (I did say people should be reading the thread before posting, right?) I just like technicalities. The OP listed champions and claimed that their lore contradicts the possibility of them being gay, so I said the lore doesn't actually say they are straight. > > It's honestly a very straight forward thing. I don’t care if I hurt your feelies, but “bisexuality” doesn’t exist. How many openly bisexual people do you see who have settled down with children? Its really just a state of being really confused.
> [{quoted}](name=Faceroll Tactics,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OmX5VE6K,comment-id=0000000f00000001,timestamp=2017-12-01T12:54:54.379+0000) > > I don’t care if I hurt your feelies, but “bisexuality” doesn’t exist. > How many openly bisexual people do you see who have settled down with children? Its really just a state of being really confused. You just don't notice them because if you see a man with a woman you assume they're straight and if you see a man with a man you assume they're gay. In self reported surveys they've found that about ~2% of the population is bisexual, about the same amount of the population that has red hair for a visual comparison.
: > [{quoted}](name=Azteryz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OmX5VE6K,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-30T21:27:01.465+0000) > > > examples of champions with lore that contradicts them being gay > {{champion:23}} > {{champion:498}} > {{champion:41}} > {{champion:122}} > {{champion:110}} > I didn't see any lore that specifically made them straight either. EDIT: Since no one seems to know how to read a thread before posting, being in a heterosexual relationship does not necessarily imply the participants are heterosexual. Bisexuality is a thing, but since I guess no one cares about it just keep those idiotic replies and downvotes coming.
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OmX5VE6K,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-30T21:33:49.140+0000) > > I didn't see any lore that specifically made them straight either. > > EDIT: Since no one seems to know how to read a thread before posting, being in a heterosexual relationship does not necessarily imply the participants are heterosexual. Bisexuality is a thing, but since I guess no one cares about it just keep those idiotic replies and downvotes coming. Ye Old League before the GP rework had a headcanon that GP was gay. A couple of his old JOJ journals got super queerbaity in parts, and there was also that "he was the only man in all of bilgewater able to resist MF's temptations" "ohhhkayyy"
: Reading this gave me a stroke, but ye I agree with you. His old lore was a lot more meaningful, now it just seems like a joke to me.
His old lore was the most generic revenge story ever tbh. It had been done a thousand times, at least this has only been done like... ten times.
: Here we are again! The case of_ “Unusual Pick that Throws A Game on Its head”_ vs _“The Teammates going WTF Is Going On”_. [If you’re just tuning in we previously covered this topic with a similar case in December: “Support Singed isn't bannable, but that's not the point”. ](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point?comment=006b) We feel that the situation between these two edge cases are very similar. But it’s obvious we need to keep updating a few processes to smooth out any rare repeats in the future. And rare is what we’d call this; it’s a very unique edge case that seems to only present itself once every few months among thousands of audits that we process. Let’s re-iterate our stance from before: **Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta?** A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form. **Q: So why does this issue keep coming up? What makes it different?** A: Riot Gromp said it best in the previous post when they stated: “...common sense and good sportsmanship say that experimenting players need to clearly communicate intent and win conditions to their teammates.” League of Legends is a team game and sometimes the biggest challenge can be coordinating with 4 other strangers who share a common goal; victory. If a player is going to rewrite the rules for the rest of their team then there is more pressure to properly communicate to everyone what they want the plan to be, and what they think everyone should do to achieve it. But wait! Communication doesn’t stop after you press the Enter button on your keyboard; and that’s where we saw a problem in this particular case. All of us need to be aware of the difference of communicating “with” someone vs. communicating “at” someone. _Telling your team what you’re going to do and then ignoring them isn’t really working with them it’s holding them hostage_. Telling your team what you want to do and actually working towards a common plan is a central part to playing any team based game. In this case what we observed was an expert Nunu counter-jungler throwing the meta on it’s head with a respectable win rate of 53%. While pretty impressive on it’s own, we also found that nearly 50% of their games were reported by teammates as frustrating and unfun. Keep in mind, this isn’t just teammates in losing games, this is teammates across all of his games; victories included. The message was pretty clear to us, this player is serious about_ Making Nunu Great Again_ but they are leaving a trail of dissatisfaction, frustration, and anger in their wake. Winning is not the end all be all of League. We want players to have fun but not at the expense of teammates. Ideally this means players will coordinate among themselves in a given match and react to the unique circumstances they end up in. If a player is consistently forcing “their vision” on the rest of the team **and **refusing to adapt to their needs we reserve the right to intervene. That’s what happened here (and before with the Singed case); players cried out how terrible the experience was for them and we intervened. Moving forward we’re going to keep updating our processes for these edge cases. We will still be on the lookout for situations where a player is creating a really negative experience for everyone else and we will intervene when necessary. In this case it’s undeniable that TakeTheDraw wants to win even if their approach leaves a lot to be desired. The effects on others in his games were enough for us to lock the account and we stand by that. But our agents were not properly prepared with a process to handle this edge case when they wrote in and that is on me. I will be working with the team to clarify an escalation process that emphasizes clearer feedback and opens the door for ban reductions if we believe that someone can make changes to their play style allowing them to continue crushing the meta but not at the expense of their teammates.
CytheGuy (NA)
: I don't see the problem with new Varus Lore
They're not attached they're just triggered
: The word vengeance is used, but the purpose behind it is different. Originally it was the vengeance of a man who lost his family because he did his duty, and now it's a "all mortals will pay" sort of vengeance. When it comes to the vengeance specifically the new lore is a downgrade.
It's still vengeance for family, It's just for kai and not for his wife.
Quepha (NA)
: Nice lies bro, in no way is Varus the first rewrite I've complained about.
Yes this post was targeted directly at you thanks for understanding
TehNACHO (NA)
: If Varus' lore had him fusing with a brother, it still wouldn't be very important to the story. You could just as easily fuse Varus with a single dude with a heart of gold and effectively have the exact same story. I don't follow lore issues that closely because not a lore guy really, but this new story is really obviously flawed and clunky. Any third member in this dynamic between Varus and whoever he's corrupting is irrelevant.
I don't really read too much of the lore, I really only watch when they do the big events and videos and stuff too. You basically proved my point though. The only reason people are making such a big deal about this is because he... they(?) are gay. If this was the same story with brothers, the story section of the boards might have a couple posts and that would be that. There's also a lot of people openly admitting that they are homophobic/don't like it simply because it's gay so that's pretty shitty too.
Rioter Comments
: Piltover lacks a villain! (It's time for crime)
A jack the ripper type character would fit really well into Piltover, given that it is a steampunk aesthetic. Maybe he's a Piltoverian who isn't smart enough to create things by himself so he steals people's memories and knowledge with an enchanted weapon to progress himself? Could be a really interesting dynamic if he kills society's elite, but does it for a cause he perceives as good.
Necrozard (EUW)
: And demacia lacks assasins :v btw i like your "neutral/evil/good" ! i would have classified Camille as somthing along the lines of "lawful evil" (Acting violently to be sure everything stays in order)
Lawful Evil? No, Camille is Chaotic Good. She's a vigilante.
: Hopefully they dont come back till its a single legendary skin that switchs back and forth.
Hopefully they don't come back until they put the Hot Rod or Ibliz animation on him because holy shit the walking animation is the worst
Rioter Comments
: there's also Battlecast and Mecha who could potentially be part of the same universe
Isn't super galaxy part of the Battlecast/Mecha universe?
: exactly :^) But seriously, Riot updated Garen, Lux, Fiora and a few other Demacian champ lores, along with a short story for Demacia involving a few champs https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/for-demacia/ This all came out at the same time as Galio and they released an Icon for it as well. technically it was more along the lines of convenient timing on Riots part and a Rioter stated that future events would likely have less involved then what Demacia got.
It was a "Demacia Event" in the same way we had "Piltover vs. Zaun" event and "Mt. Targon" event I really think this next event will be a REAL event focusing on the Void tbh
Wuks (NA)
: Thank you, Boards Community. (& smol giveaway - Concluded!)
: Why is the Kindred plushy not coming to America?
http://lolriotmall.qq.com/detail.shtml?id=2689 RIOT I NEED THIS
: Because Spellbook gives 25% SS CDR. Then you get 5% more from Cosmic Insight. That gives you 30% Flash CDR, which is 90 seconds off. Phenomenal. Mages already want Stopwatch so Inspiration isn't a bad tree for them.
I mean thats neat but like idk i don't use my flash that often. I could see maybe on someone who uses flash-stun a lot
DarkRooster (EUNE)
: Remember when mages were so weak that they got a huge mage buff IN A FOKING MIDDLE OF SEASON ONLY ? Probably will happen just about the same, mages will fall of to completely useless and then get ''huge'' buffs that doesn't even make up for anything, and never forget all the reworks that mostly ruins all the fun people had playing them.
{{champion:69}} RIP MY MAIN
: Yeah, I'd remove Summon Aery and Dark Harvest and replace with another keystone. I don't think either are good designs.
Both of those are good runes IMO, I think there either needs to be a 4th option in each tree, or there needs to be some switch up. Phase rush could be moved to inspiration and unsealed spellbook could honestly be nerfed and moved to a minor rune slot.
: Comet is the mage keystone. And you can easily use Electrocute. Why are mages bitching that they can't use Electrocute? Most of them used TLD before anyway, and now Electrocute does more damage and you have to do a bit more work to proc it. That's fair and balanced. There's a rune that gives you fucking 15% spell vamp in the domination tree. No reason for you to go sorcery as your primary. Mages can use Aery, they can use Comet, they can use Unsealed Spellbook, they can use Kleptomancy, they can use Fleet of Foot, they can use Glacial Augment, they can use Electrocute, they can use Phase Rush.
> they can use Unsealed Spellbook http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/022/978/yNlQWRM.jpg
: Why are towers always buffed in the weirdest ways?
Personally I don't think the durability of them is a problem, I think it should be meaningfully punishing if you allow an enemy champion to reach your tower. That said, the damage on them right now is nonexistent. ADC's and Assassins at low levels with no durability items shouldn't be able to take 3-4 tower shots and get out just fine. Beyond the usual suggestions of "make them deal more damage", I've thought of a couple creative solutions to the issue (each individual, not saying that these all should be instituted on top of each other holy shit the game would never end): 1. Change the "Warming Up" damage to an unlimited exponential rather than a slow curve. This will allow people like assassins and ADC's to still dive for a single shot or two, but actually punish them for diving for too long, allowing CC under tower to be more effective, and also ending some of the late game tank shenanigans where they just walk up and tank the tower while two other champs take it. 2. Apply a slow on tower shots. This would still allow people with mobility to dive, but would largely stop dives from immobile champions. Something like a 33% slow would make {{champion:64}} or {{champion:55}} still able to dive, but take that ability away from people like {{champion:22}} or {{champion:28}}. 3. Make tower shots on champions apply a chain lightning, similar to {{item:3087}}. This wouldn't directly make towers deal more damage to champions, but would make it much harder to dance right on the border, and make it extremely punishing to mess up, as one tower shot would decimate your entire minion wave making it hard to abuse the agro rules. 4. Give everyone the Garrison bonus where you get resistances while near your tower, possibly stacking over time while you're within the garrison zone. This would discourage dives, especially from low level characters that lack penetration.
Bârd (NA)
: Auto-consumes anything you get if your inventory is full. Leads to some questionable wards, but otherwise it's fine.
Oh shit....ok I'll have to pay attention to that. Overall I love the mastery though.... Super fun on some adca and top laners. I feel like it's unde
Bârd (NA)
: Free elixirs. It gives good stats, but is unreliable.
I love Kleptomancy, but don't you just not get the consumables if you don't have the slots?
: Fleet Footwork has no late game fantasy
So...... You don't need to kite past 30 minutes? The rune that REALLY has no lategame is Kleptomancy
Wªter (NA)
: Lmao really? Being a baby over a over a zoomed in Icon.{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
From the looks of it she has a lot of RP icons that she paid for, several of which look really bad with the new system. One of riots principals about microtransactions is that they should feel good after the purchase, and that the value shouldn't degrade all that much. At the very least riot could do a pass and change them all to circular compositions or zoom them out more
: Hey, I'll pop in here to share our perspective. We're actually keeping a pretty close eye on the value of purchasable hextech chests. I don't mean to shock you, but we like selling chests. So we want it to feel good when you buy them. FWIW, here’s our basic take on it: yes, orange essence disenchant rates are nerfed. But we also made some other positive changes to the system. For example, it's now guaranteed that you'll never go three rolls in a row without getting a skin. (That's what we mean when we talk about bad luck protection). You also can now get chests inside of your chests—and you can even get bonus chests when you reroll skin shards. We're pretty sure these changes will make buying chests feel good even at their current price point. BUT, we could be wrong! If it turns out that these changes aren't as good as we thought, we'll continue to iterate. First we want to see how different players around the world are engaging with the chests and feeling about them before making changes. Edit: In case you missed it, [here was the previous thread where I talked about more of our thinking behind the OE nerfs](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/fRZopjhE-bring-back-the-old-value-of-orange-disenchant-riot?comment=0009).
Maybe it's just me but I'd rather get 1 guaranteed satisfactory chest that I buy with my money than 1 unsatisfactory chest with the RNG chance of getting several other unsatisfactory chests.
JoeMG (NA)
: I miss old Kindred. I've been having an especially difficult time with her this preseason with how easily champs can burst you down now.
She's just... Useless now? Like you can literally take any other adc with a dash and have the same effect at this point. Bright side is that I heard somewhere that she was gonna be the next game play update after aatrox
: Ya I don't get that logic. Kindred was pretty fun and very unique, especially with the hunting mechanic. Now it's just a dumpster champ with shit damage, shit mobility, no sustain, and the hunting mechanic is pretty much mute with they way they changed it. I'd rather jg Ashe. At least she has a good ult.
Her original identity of an anti-tank marksman/assassin jungle was completely destroyed. Now her passive is like Tristanas but you can fall behind. All of her base damages are WAY lower now, and you have to get a redic. amount of stacks to even get to the level that old kindred had. Sucks, because until they removed the heal they were my fave champ, after they removed that and nerfed the bases I still played a bunch, now I can't even touch them.
: I main Leo and even I'm agreeing. Used to be I couldn't get Level 1/2 kills, I'd have to go in twice or thrice. Now I expect the kill because my AD's damage + Aftershock does it all. I'll still lose vs high damage sup / high burst adcs. But win or lose the lane's decided 4 minutes in.
Just played a game with electrocute blitz and a aftershock leona.... popped my ADC at level 2, even through level 2 sona shield.
xelaker (NA)
: {{champion:203}} she was never tanky morons. she had sustain, not tank stats.
actually kindred in their original state wasn't that squishy and they were intentionally designed to jungle. Than riot got rid of their built in healing and kiting for some reason???
: the thing is, though, imagine the average assassin without mobility. like i know talon doesnt really have much if not considering e, but they would become boring and all feel the same, while turning into a straight 1 for 1 trade no matter how fed they are.
What, you mean like {{champion:28}}? {{item:3070}}
Feathermane (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=warpenguin555,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2VYa3wdu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-12T14:10:25.579+0000) > > {{champion:29}} is just terrible until 3 items. Playing him jungle is borderline trolling, he can't gank at all I think you missed the point. Squishy, defenseless marksmen are not supposed to jungle. :^) {{champion:81}}
I played a game as eve against ez recently and literally his entire tactic was after he cleared red he just camped by my buffs and killed me the minute I walked into my jungle with nothing but his starting items. At level 2 he has so much base damage and mobility, unless you're someone who's a tank or has a large gap closer you're fucked
Kivolan (NA)
: Riot Took People's Feedback, And Did The Opposite
I thought people were just bitching about turrets being weak until I was dived at level 2 under my tower by corki and he lived, despite taking three tower shots.
: privacy.riotgames.com it's legit, you can google it and confirm The first time someone linked that I was super sketch cause it asks for your password but it's actually owned by Riot so it's legit.
... I'd rather not see how much I e spent
Arakadia (NA)
: What if they made it so that if you take Resolve as your primary branch you get some resistances or something right off the bat?
I think this is the best idea as it prevents squishies from taking the super strong resistance option within the tree as their secondary runes, but lets tanks be tanky.
: They do when certain tanks that had built in stat increases were strong adcs mains flooded the boards and called tank meta in season 5 so riot is trying everything they can to never go back to 'boring games where nothing dies' and tanks can tank one person for upwards of 15seconds and teams for upwards of 4 seconds.
Cinderhulk tank meta was the best meta I've seen in this game IMO. Pre 65% WR sejuani though... like... when smite was being taken mid and top. That was peak league IMO.
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