: > [{quoted}](name=Lubbi Dubby,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rliMfBQF,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-04T00:16:36.753+0000) > > They didn't need changes in the first place. It's GH and Meddler we are talking about. They don't even play the game, yet they say they know how to balance it. I guess the just couldn’t stand riot morello’s item being built as a core on mages. Typical riot.
Just look at how good Morello's was compared to every other AP item. if you didn't build morellos first, you were severely put behind.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lubbi Dubby,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rliMfBQF,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-07-03T23:57:33.333+0000) > > If you look at the current meta, Mages aren't even really played anymore because of it. Then why nerf mages?
They didn't need changes in the first place. It's GH and Meddler we are talking about. They don't even play the game, yet they say they know how to balance it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lubbi Dubby,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rliMfBQF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-29T15:56:44.007+0000) > > Honestly, they dont need to buff anyone > > They need to nerf all of the champs pretty much. > > ADCs are finally at a spot they are designed to be, now the rest of the classes need to be nerfed. But mages are nerf last chapter requires you to be in lane for 9 minutes.. when at lvl 5 all most every mage needs to back to regain mana..
If you look at the current meta, Mages aren't even really played anymore because of it.
: Really if they're going to nerf lethality they should just straight-up remove Sudden Impact. That rune has always been and will always be dumb. There was once a nerf for it on the PBE but then it never happened. This rune is still as powerful as ever and is still really dumb.
The new runes are just shit in general. I would much rather have the old rune system back, but make it free for people. And then just make the masteries go poof, or make them simple, like +2ad per minute after 15 minutes or something small like that. Runes/Masteries/Items are the reason the game is the way it is.
: Can we nerf LETHALITY and not Champions?
Lethality isn't the reason assassins are strong. The reason is all of the free damage they get from those items. {{item:3147}} - free ~150-200dmg {{item:3087}} - Not many people build on assassins, but when they get really ahead, you see it quite a bit. Another free 100-160 dmg (barring any crit) {{item:3095}} - Free Crit strike on first auto Electrocute/DH/Predator - Need I say more? Items/runes have added so much free damage to the game, that they don't even need to land skillshots to kill someone. A simple Q ability and auto is almost enough to kill any squishy when they get their items.
: Item Idea: Repair kit (+25% Tower HP Restore)
Honestly, turrets are such paper it wouldn't even matter. You see late game ziggs, him alone with passive and satchel takes turret by himself.
CLG ear (NA)
: fuck apple
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lBQMtXFB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-01T17:59:26.498+0000) > > fuck apple Sounds peachy.
Quinzley (EUNE)
: Get a Nokia 3310. You'll never need another phone. It can also only be destroyed in the fires of Mordor.
> [{quoted}](name=Quinzley,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lBQMtXFB,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-01T19:12:13.890+0000) > > Get a Nokia 3310. You'll never need another phone. It can also only be destroyed in the fires of Mordor. I had one of those back in the day, Literally indestructible pieces of technology haha.
: Become a Samsung boi.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lBQMtXFB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-01T19:00:57.065+0000) > > Become a Samsung boi. Already am with a Note 5
: > [{quoted}](name=Lubbi Dubby,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lBQMtXFB,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2018-07-01T18:27:33.754+0000) > > Well obviously not. If I didn't have my sisters pressuring me into it, I wouldn't even think twice about it. > But I think at this point I should just ignore them because everyone is telling me to go for the S9 (which I like a lot more) Just because your sisters make bad decisions does not mean you have to as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lBQMtXFB,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-01T18:29:47.926+0000) > > Just because your sisters makes bad decisions does not mean you have to as well. This made me chuckle a little too much xd
Lakrosin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lubbi Dubby,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lBQMtXFB,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-07-01T18:14:12.456+0000) > > Mostly because of how poor executed the X is. > I mean, no fingerprint scanner, the Face ID is cool, but fingerprint is so much better. The stupid pressure mapping thing, amongst other things as well. > > But I am **pretty much only on the fence because my siblings keep pressuring me into the iphone**. Hell, even thought about the S8 because of how good that phone was. That is the thing though. **ip8 is a downgrade from ipX**. You want to go from **bad to worse**?
> [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lBQMtXFB,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-07-01T18:20:56.886+0000) > > That is the thing though. **ip8 is a downgrade from ipX**. You want to go from **bad to worse**? Well obviously not. If I didn't have my sisters pressuring me into it, I wouldn't even think twice about it. But I think at this point I should just ignore them because everyone is telling me to go for the S9 (which I like a lot more)
Lakrosin (NA)
: ~~Brick.~~ iphone. Just kidding. People online like comparing SGS9 vs Iphone X. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meIa6vs8pK4 Not sure why you are even considering iphone 8.
> [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lBQMtXFB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-01T18:06:51.976+0000) > > ~~Brick.~~ iphone. Just kidding. > > People online like comparing SGS9 vs Iphone X. > > Not sure why you are even considering iphone 8. Mostly because of how poor executed the X is. I mean, no fingerprint scanner, the Face ID is cool, but fingerprint is so much better. The stupid pressure mapping thing, amongst other things as well. But I am pretty much only on the fence because my siblings keep pressuring me into the iphone. Hell, even thought about the S8 because of how good that phone was.
: Adc's are unplayable when everbody else is running yasuo bot and all inning at level 2. its ridiculous and yes hopefully rune nerfs do something
Yasuo is just cancer in general ;) This meta is all over the place, you play what you want, where you want. Riot really, really needs to look at runes and items and get rid of a lot of the free damage they give. Still favorite combo though: {{item:3147}} {{item:3095}} {{item:3087}} With Electrocute/Predator/Dark Harvest OP as all hell on anyone squishy
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Lubbi Dubby,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rliMfBQF,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-06-30T00:05:57.458+0000) > > The Scuttle changes were necessary. > > I just don't like the rng factor of it. > > Jungle is supposed to be a "roaming support" in the sense to get lanes ahead. > Before the changes, 80% of the games were decided by who had the better jungler (also who 4man bot ganked first) which was very unhealthy for the game. > > People can complain all they want about it, people get so used to being the dominant factor, they forget what it is like to be on par with the everyone else for the first time in seasons. Case and point with ADCs. LoL your delusions are funny, roaming support and "on par" doesn't mean under level of solo lanes and having half of the available champ pool invalidated due to the changes.
I don't know what game you are playing. Junglers are still a huge factor in the games, and a lot of junglers can still be played. They just need to adapt their playstyle
: What is up with this new meta that makes adc's unplayable bot lane, please fix it.
It isnt that adcs are weak. They have finally been brought back down to earth from being Ritos live child for the last 2 seasons. The reason why they seem weak is because everything else is buffed into oblivion. Runes give so much free damage, items give even more free damage. So yeah, Riot needs to nerf runes/items, and then we will see how the champions do.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: We need to help ADCS
WE do NOT need to touch ADCs. They are finally where they should be, weak early, and scale late. The only reason people arent playing them is because everything else is so overtuned with free damage. We need to nerf the rest of league, mostly items, and then see how adcs fare
: > [{quoted}](name=Lubbi Dubby,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rliMfBQF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-29T15:56:44.007+0000) > > Honestly, they dont need to buff anyone > > They need to nerf all of the champs pretty much. > > ADCs are finally at a spot they are designed to be, now the rest of the classes need to be nerfed. They also need to revert 8.10/8.11 jungle/scuttle changes or just revert scuttle and balance the jungle experience to be equal to solo laners without the current gaps where junglers are 2-4 levels behind the solo laners in experience (not counting scuttle).
The Scuttle changes were necessary. I just don't like the rng factor of it. Jungle is supposed to be a "roaming support" in the sense to get lanes ahead. Before the changes, 80% of the games were decided by who had the better jungler (also who 4man bot ganked first) which was very unhealthy for the game. People can complain all they want about it, people get so used to being the dominant factor, they forget what it is like to be on par with the everyone else for the first time in seasons. Case and point with ADCs.
: When will you actually be Riot GAMES?
I would love for them to make an MMO. Kinda like RS mixed with WoW with other games in the mix too. Huge map and quest lines is all of the many, many cities. Would be so cool.
DW Diana (NA)
: Mages Changes 8.14?
Honestly, they dont need to buff anyone They need to nerf all of the champs pretty much. ADCs are finally at a spot they are designed to be, now the rest of the classes need to be nerfed.
afmghost (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lubbi Dubby,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gtjWh59j,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-27T16:11:44.514+0000) > > But also allows players to come back into the game if they can secure the kill. > > It has both its ups and downs. So it rewards a bad player
No, just because a player gets behind doesn't mean they are bad.
afmghost (NA)
: I honestly think the bounty system needs removal from SR. It essentially punishes players for doing well by making a mistake cost them more. I mean if I'm on a massive killing spree, I should be allowed to maximize on it without a risk like that.
But also allows players to come back into the game if they can secure the kill. It has both its ups and downs.
TheShinx (NA)
: A way to fix ADC's, Crit, and the problem the changes made.
Honestly, as DOPA said, adc's are finally at a point that they are balanced. Weak early, and good late game. The only problem now, is that everything else was buffed into oblivion that ADCs are now overshadowed. So what Riot should do next, honestly, is take items, gut all of the free damage they give, and then see how everything plays out. If things are still an issue, then they need to take a look at nerfing champions. Items are the sole reasons, 99% of the time champions are broken.
: I can get banned if I use this anyways? Is so frustrating to me.
How is Pressing R difficult for you? Literally dont even need to move your finger
Proxy345 (NA)
: Its 95 degrees today.
Its 93f here today too and like 95% humidity, talk about hot. Like walking outside and getting run over by a bus
Slogg (NA)
: This Game is in Such a Sorry State Right Now
Ever since season 6 the game is going downhill. First they released DQ (literally cancer all in itself) Then slowly but surely, each and every season it gets worse and worse. Eventually they need to get their heads out of their asses otherwise there won't be a League anymore.
starriko (EUNE)
: Old League of Legends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they released season 3/4 for like a week or two, OMG I would play the shit out of it.
LBmyBB (NA)
: It's a shitty shield that no one maxes first, leaving it at its long cd. There are much more broken shields in the game than a small one with just a very short speed buff.
People max it second. It gives a 60% Non-decay MS buff for 1.5 seconds. A 170(+50% AP) Shield... Just as the base shield. Her ult now grants everyone around the Speed buff, and 30% of the value shield goes to everyone near by as well. That isn't taking in account ardent shield buff (10%), or the mastery that increases it by 5%. And if she so happens to buy a Mikael's as well, she gets even more bonus shield. So yeah, it isn't just Karma, its shields in general. But all shield spammers need to actually get timing down on when it is smart to use it, instead of spam, spam, spam, spam... Edit: You mentioned Lulu in the post, I get it, her shield is higher base amount, and scaling. It doesn't grant the MS buff, she has to use another spell entirely for it. It has a 10 second CD all ranks with 6 second uptime. With 40% CDR, always up. Have we found the common factor? With so much CDR in the game, everyone shields are up near 100% when it comes to supports. That is very unhealthy for the game and has been complained about, not just by the boards, but pros and streamers for a long time. Reducing shield duration on a global scale is much needed.
: I realized Pyke's passive is op in a way that isn't obvious.
{{item:3364}} He is going to have this item on anyways if trying to flank so i mean...
LBmyBB (NA)
: Why are we nerfing Karma's shield?
Are you kidding me right now? Shield with huge scaling and MS lasts for 4 seconds. At lvl 5, it is on a 8 second CD. With 40-45% CDR, it is pretty much 100% uptime if it is not broken. But go on, and tell me how it is not broken.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mhihnj,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=akcEP41u,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-05T14:33:07.665+0000) > > kindred was released in mid-late 2015. Not even a full 3 years since their release. That doesn't mean her kit doesn't feel half crippled.
> [{quoted}](name=Malfectious,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=akcEP41u,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T14:37:31.936+0000) > > That doesn't mean her kit doesn't feel half crippled. That is because of how her kit is designed. She is either super broken, or super dead. Atm, she is super dead. The jungle changes and items don't make her any better. Honestly, just getting her heal back would be a huge, huge, huge buff to her.
: Spear of Shojin doesn't look like a spear anymore
I like the Rito drawing they had on the PBE. It made me laugh.
Naymliss (NA)
: > It is like that in almost every state. Do you know how many people still do it? It's even better when you see police using their phones while driving.
> [{quoted}](name=Naymliss,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=x5WMtt7y,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2018-06-01T14:41:18.636+0000) > > It's even better when you see police using their phones while driving. Mhmm. Atleast most newer cars have bluetooth so the call goes directly through the car. So that is something that is slightly better.
Xäyąh (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=fallenreaper88,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=x5WMtt7y,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-01T10:56:58.601+0000) > > Teens cant put down there phone long enough to drive safely on the road. Actually, in my state, it's illegal to even hold your phone while in the driver's seat and moving.
> [{quoted}](name=Xäyąh,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=x5WMtt7y,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-01T12:59:24.553+0000) > > Actually, in my state, it's illegal to even hold your phone while in the driver's seat and moving. It is like that in almost every state. Do you know how many people still do it?
Rexxiee (NA)
: I understand baron was probably doing too much damage before this patch but
They made it more tanky, and in turn took away the damage. I like they made it more tanky, but for how strong it is, it needs to be doing a lot more damage.
: De-ranking from gold
Your sense of accomplishment might be gone. It happened to me last season. I peaked at G2 80 LP. I went on a 20 game win streak to get there. Was stomping like crazy. (When I hit G3, I was playing with P3/2, Thats how inflated my MMR was). And then all of the sudden. I hit the wall. I had already gotten what I wanted for the season, which was gold, anything else was a bonus. I started to get away from my roots, and playing whatever I felt like. Next thing I knew, I was back to G4. I stopped playing ranked after that cause I felt demoralized. Honestly, go back to your roots, take a break from league for a little after grinding all that time. Play some norms with a friend or two, and get a clear mind set again.
: {{champion:222}} is going to be killed off and become even more weaker than she already is.
> [{quoted}](name=Colton147,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aiJrGcjA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-27T15:16:21.329+0000) > > {{champion:222}} is going to be killed off and become even more weaker than she already is. You kidding? ADCs are just going to go back to the old build of rushing BF Sword into Runaans. Then still have IE, Runaans, 60% crit, and AOE True damage
: the biggest problem with the jungle patch is half of the champions designed only to be played in the jungle can't be played in the jungle because they're not good enough.
> [{quoted}](name=Sèx Crazed Eve,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hFfa5b9A,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-27T02:14:10.129+0000) > > the biggest problem with the jungle patch is half of the champions designed only to be played in the jungle can't be played in the jungle because they're not good enough. Which is something I said in the previous post. Now that they changed the jungle around, it is time to buff a lot of the older champions to make them viable, while also tuning down the early skirmishing of a few junglers. Look at graves for example, He was taken out of the meta for the most part. A game here an there in pro-play. But then the patch comes around, nerfing the champs who took his spot, now he is one of the Kings of the Jungle right now. They didn't touch him at all, just a side effect. So all they have to do now is look at champs, turn them down a little, while giving some more junglers a little more early presence.
: At it's core this game is still fundamentally* challenging and rewarding to play
The only issue I have, and probably one of the most annoying thing in the game: The game is not about the person who is ahead on your team. But rather the weakest link. A 9-1 Riven for example, can't offset a 1-9 lucian ADC. They need to find a way to balance it out. That, along with turrets need to be buffed again, are the only things I currently have atm. I really like the jungle patch, fixed a lot of the early game issues. Sure, you might not be able to play a lot of champions in the jungle anymore, but it has always been like that.
Chermorg (NA)
: Wrong. They can AFK before 3 minutes and as long as it's over 90 consecutive seconds, even if they're already back, remake will trigger. I know because I've declined multiple remake votes because the player had just connected around 230-245.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lEeObAR2,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-26T19:04:37.663+0000) > > Wrong. They can AFK before 3 minutes and as long as it's over 90 consecutive seconds, even if they're already back, remake will trigger. I know because I've declined multiple remake votes because the player had just connected around 230-245. Then the system is bugged. It has happened multiple times where people are constantly disconnecting and reconnecting for several minutes with no remake.
Chermorg (NA)
: That defonitely should've let you remake, assuming your timeline is accurate. I'd submit a support ticket because that may be a big/glitch in the system.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lEeObAR2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-26T13:43:32.904+0000) > > That defonitely should've let you remake, assuming your timeline is accurate. I'd submit a support ticket because that may be a big/glitch in the system. Do you even play the game regularly? It has always been like that. People could not connect for 2:50, come back and dc again and remake wouldn't pop up. The only time a remake happens if if they actually stay afk the whole time. Just last week I had a match where an Akali kept dcing and reconnecting for 10 minutes, not moving, not buying items, nothing. Still no remake. Needless to say that game was lost.
: > [{quoted}](name=HellawhiteIII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EiPRkiAK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-26T12:57:59.839+0000) > > But then what will all the bronze/silver players who dont want to get better and learn how to use cooldowns properly do besides ranked? Practice mode. Basically after URF became AURF its sole purpose for you to entertain yourself in freedom has been compromised. Riot failed to even notice what made it fun. This is the trend that has been constantly going on for two whole seasons.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EiPRkiAK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-26T13:09:04.181+0000) > > Practice mode. Basically after URF became AURF its sole purpose for you to entertain yourself in freedom has been compromised. Riot failed to even notice what made it fun. > > This is the trend that has been constantly going on for two whole seasons. Do you know why Riot changed Urf to what is it now? BECAUSE YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME FUCKING CHAMPIONS EVERY GAME That's why. Urf was fun for a game or two, and thats it. AURF at least keeps every game different.
: Like ive said before I'm new, and don't know how to Mute ppl besides their voices
> [{quoted}](name=KiwiTwang,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ulw0WjEE,comment-id=000300000000000100010000,timestamp=2018-05-22T21:49:52.731+0000) > > Like ive said before I'm new, and don't know how to Mute ppl besides their voices do /mute all or /mute (username) or hit tab, and there is 3 buttons on the right side of their box that will allow you to mute the person.
: Lmao thanks for not posting everyone else chat logs. Lol
> [{quoted}](name=KiwiTwang,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ulw0WjEE,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-22T21:39:49.818+0000) > > Lmao thanks for not posting everyone else chat logs. Lol The game doesn't revolve around them, It revolves are you. You could have simply muted then, and went to the side lane that wasn't being farmed by bot lane.
: This is really smart. No joke you should make some sort of guide. Tons of low elo junglers would love to have something like this in a video or even just a list of notes with some pics in it. If you main jg you should make a guide showing what to do and when to do it with a few match ups.
> [{quoted}](name=IronBoundMoon9,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HuBWwq53,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-21T05:20:17.307+0000) > > This is really smart. No joke you should make some sort of guide. Tons of low elo junglers would love to have something like this in a video or even just a list of notes with some pics in it. If you main jg you should make a guide showing what to do and when to do it with a few match ups. I mean it is all common sense. Just gathered knowledge of watching streams and playing for multiple years. If you can think a step ahead the enemy jungler, then these changes aren't bad at all.
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Honestly, if you wanna climb, abuse weekends. More little kids and trolls play, so the enemy has even more chances of getting the trolls now. More chances for you to win.
> [{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VaqmxrXN,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-05-21T12:12:12.602+0000) > > Honestly, if you wanna climb, abuse weekends. More little kids and trolls play, so the enemy has even more chances of getting the trolls now. More chances for you to win. More trolls are on, exactly why I try to avoid playing on the weekends except during late nights. Even though there is more of a chance for them to be on the enemy team, still bad all around.
Stacona (NA)
: Go play jungle blitz, learn how terrible it is now.
> [{quoted}](name=Stacona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EjRXpPEI,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2018-05-20T22:04:46.475+0000) > > Go play jungle blitz, learn how terrible it is now. Thats just an awful comparison. Blitz is all single target except for his ult. Pyke has double AoE damage
: Weekends are the worst time to play League.
The weekends are always the worst times to play. Kids are out of school. People are off work, all sorts of things. Best time to play, in my opinion is late at night. You give up sleep if you really want to play, but the experience is a lot better. Also in the morning as well.
Krytoric (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DimPack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wHLiwunz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-20T15:50:01.892+0000) > > {{item:3140}} {{summoner:1}} {{summoner:4}} {{summoner:21}} {{item:3102}} {{item:3026}} nope no counterplay at all flash, barrier, GA and banshees for the most part doesnt counter it. what?
> [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wHLiwunz,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-05-20T17:33:47.300+0000) > > flash, barrier, GA and banshees for the most part doesnt counter it. what? {{item:3140}} Removes all champion debuffs whether it be malx ult, ww ult, morg q, whatever it may be. {{item:3102}} Blocks first spell thrown at you. {{summoner:4}} This is obvious. If you see someone like Malz for example, running at you, flash away. If he flash ults you, Qss and flash away... {{summoner:21}} Provides a little extra health in a quick pinch {{summoner:1}} Removes champion debuffs except suppression/airborne. {{item:3026}} Self Explanatory. Yeah, there is totally no counterplay for CC... /s
Stacona (NA)
: The AoE slows / weakened blitz hook, trading passive, playing making W, AoE stun, and kill gold giving does not scream support to you?
> [{quoted}](name=Stacona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EjRXpPEI,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-14T18:42:42.847+0000) > > The AoE slows / weakened blitz hook, trading passive, playing making W, AoE stun, and kill gold giving does not scream support to you? No, that screams hella good ganking potential. Coming out of the jungle. If Riot wants him in the support role, they are going to have to take away almost all of his scalings and force him into the support role. Which is what they tend to do when they don't get their own way.
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