: There's really only one thing that I find disappointing about Sett (so far)
I thought that was odd too. I don't really think its an issue of rushing it though; for one I believe Senna was pushed back a bit to coincide with other events. Probably ended up squishing everyone to the end of the year (or beginning of next year in Sett's case). For another, they already have the VA in the recording booth. There's not really any reason to "rush them out", I doubt it actually makes the process go faster. So its just a matter of they decided not to write as many interactions for him. Trust me, I don't like it. Interactions are some of my favorite parts of a character. I love varied VOs. But I don't think they are rushing, scheduling is just a little weird. Remember, this PBE patch that Sett is on is a bit longer and won't be out until next year.
Phridolin (EUW)
: fighting in a pit with a fur coat (which he at least should put off) and WHITE trousers..
I think the fur coat is his own fur. Also, I think the fancy white pants kind of represent his newfound wealth and how he's spending excessively because he can now.
: > [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WPdTAUvj,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-12T18:22:56.356+0000) > > Its totally your right to like whatever you want but...how can you despise anime?? There are so many genres of anime with different styles and creators. Its like saying you don't like movies...pretty much everyone can find a movie they enjoy, even if movies aren't their favorite form of entertainment. It is over used, has absolutely awful design, terrible dramaticism, and the stories just aren't fun. I just can't stand it. Also it is shoved down our throats in so many games (video and card). tv, movies etc. Just not fun. I'd rather watch normal cartoons that have a good design and varying design's instead of all the same spiky haired, wide eyed wierdness.
This all looks the same? https://media.comicbook.com/2019/07/mha-girlsheader-1177587-1280x0.jpeg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSaqW7FyCzps8pKjhTtOdF82XcgXm3SzJfWfPwFXtWXuHDVxjHx&s https://townsquare.media/site/622/files/2017/02/ps.jpg?w=980&q=75 https://nefariousreviews.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/kaiba-featured.jpg?w=672&h=372&crop=1 https://cdn.anidb.net/images/main/224607.jpg Because these are all anime. Anime vary wildly and in fact they tend to have some pretty niche shows that appeal to odd tastes. I'm sorry you've gotten burnt out on it, but its something that many people of many tastes enjoy, which is why lots of creators have been inspired by it.
: I'm now going to call him Mr. Fancy Pants and nothing else from now on
I totally support your decision.
: We should get an update on the two gay guys living in Varus' head
I agree. Sorry, I would have said more but I have nothing more to add.
: > [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pvEpcf9b,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-12-12T18:04:31.410+0000) > > He has to appeal to an audience of humans _in-universe_ so I figured he would mostly look human. Its not like... you know... they use Minotarus, that do not like Humans at all, in the pit matches as well.
Minotaurs are exotic prisoners of war. Its like when the Romans used lions in the Colosseum; it was for a cool fight with exotic, nobody was actually rooting for the lions (well...I'm sure some people were but its not like the lions were the intended stars of the show). Alistar never wanted to fight, he was forced to. Unlike Sett, who fights for the fame and the money.
: is vi really even a fist fighter? She's using giant mechanical fists. that's like wearing brass knuckles and saying you're fist fighting, you're using a weapon. You're not unarmed. Udyr is using his bare hands like a real man.
I think Vi used to just use her fists typically before she joined the Wardens, back when she was still running with the street gangs of Zaun.
: Sett doesn't have any quotes acknowledging Udyr, League's other (older) fist fighter.
I am sort of disappointed at how little interaction Sett has with anyone else. His interactions are non-existent. Felt like he needed a few more, even if it was with people he would never plausibly meet in the lore.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WPdTAUvj,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-12-11T23:17:17.227+0000) > > Respectfully disagree And I respectfully disagree with your disagreement. Yeah thats confusing. But Ive always been an animal lover so I prefer animals over humans in this game especially humans with animal ears which is just awful. I despise anime so...
Its totally your right to like whatever you want but...how can you despise anime?? There are so many genres of anime with different styles and creators. Its like saying you don't like movies...pretty much everyone can find a movie they enjoy, even if movies aren't their favorite form of entertainment.
: > Sett is unoriginal... Define "unoriginal"? Because as far as I see, there's plenty original about him. - Rather than using hugeass weapons as a Juggernaut, he uses his fists. - He's an underground pit-fighter, which is an interesting thematic. Sure, we've had gladiatorial fighters in the past (Xin Zhao, Alistar), but none like Sett. - Character-wise, he's a momma's boy with a chip on his shoulder and an eagerness to make his place in the world through fighting. - Additionally, lore-wise he gives us a look into the darker side of post-Noxus Ionia that we haven't seen yet. Where Zed, Akali, Karma, Irelia, and Jhin give a look into how the people, the orders, and the government are handling the fallout of the Noxian invasion, Sett shows us a side of Ionia that's craving violence after the war. Are there some things that _are_ unoriginal about him? Sure. He's another big, imposing dude with a square chin and plenty of muscle. He's another self-confident, "I can do anything" guy with badditude. But it ain't like he's totally unoriginal. > ...yet another Vastayah that looks nothing like an animal. Well, first of all, there's no rule that says that Vastaya can't be largely human in appearance with some basic animal semblances. Look at Ahri, Xayah, & Rakan. The Lhotlan are largely humanoid, with their silhouettes punctuated by raptor-like legs, feather tufts on the arms, and tall, furred ears - not to mention the possibility that their feather cloaks are natural. And then you have Ahri, who's literally just a woman with fox ears and fox tails. And second of all; _**Sett is half-Vastaya.**_ He's even more diluted than the descendants of Vastayashai'rei, and it's only natural that he loses some of that animal semblance due to his mixed parentage. He still has tufts of fur around his wrists and short, furry ears, but he's not going to look as much like an animal as a Lhotlan or a Marai - and definitely nothing like Rengar or Wukong.
Great post, said a lot of what I was going to say. I have a few things to add: 1. I believe his "furred collar" is actually feathers attached to his body. Along with some color choices and ears, he looks similar to Xayah. This is pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Sett's mother was from the Lhotlan tribe, which we know are a more humanoid variety of Vastaya, along with Sett being only half-Vastayan. 2. For his outfit, I think it suits him just fine. Sett isn't just a pit fighter, he's the BOSS of the pit now. He's got these fancy looking pants because he's rich, and hated being poor. He likes to show it off. I'm guessing his pants are probably made of Ionian silk, evidenced by his line: "Things I love...My Momma, breakin' necks, and fine Ionian silk." And he's a showy pit fighter, of course he isn't going to be wearing a proper shirt. Do WWE wrestlers wear shirts in the ring? Typically no.
Phridolin (EUW)
: Sett...
To be honest, once they said he fought in pit matches, I expected a muscly, burly man; 50/50 on whether he had an animal head or not. I don't know why people were expecting some monstrous guy. He has to appeal to an audience of humans _in-universe_ so I figured he would mostly look human. Maybe that was just me though. I do wish the ears were a little more pronounced, at the very least. I think his furred collar is feathers though. He actually has similar physical traits to Xayah, I could easily believe Sett's mother was from the same tribe.
: is there mentioned who Sett dad is?
I don't think Draven is Sett's father. I just don't think the timing is right. Draven was never involved in Ionia so far as we know and his executioner job is what gained him fame. I think he is less a pit fighter and more someone who turned execution into an entertaining event to gain fame. I think Draven probably does have involvement with other pit fighters, same as he has Alistar as a related Champion, Alistar being related to pit fighting as well. I guess its not impossible, but Sett's father also hung around for awhile after Sett's birth. He has a vague memory of his father, meaning he was old enough to form memories, probably 3-5 years old. Not only do I not think Draven is the type to hang around with a newly formed family for that long, but again, we have no information of him ever being involved with Ionia, let alone 3-5+ years.
: Yeah, I can agree that leaving out the fighting was a bummer. Was actually excited to read about these 3 brawling it out in Piltover, just to notice that it boils down to "they fought, Cait and Vi won". This could have been way better, that's for sure. I still wouldn't say that the story missed the mark, tho. It had many great aspects. It delivered _perfectly_ on Urgot's identity, how he represents his ideal. And Vi also got fleshed out well, in my opinion. It seems unlikely, but I hope that this is actually not the end of her relationship with Roe. I would like Roe to have survived and Vi simply didn't notice it. That Roe can augment herself with chemtech and becomes a leader of a crew which wants to free the Dreadnought. The Roe Vi knew died that day, no longer the shy girl who loved to read. She got replaced by a cruel follower of Urgot. ________________ Caitlyn I think was actually interesting. You felt that these 2 care for each other, but Caitlyn has her duty as a Sheriff. That she has to keep things secret from Vi, even if she doesn't want to. I felt that conflict in her and compared to J4 in the comic, she felt more deep and having an impact than him, but this might just be me.
I thought Caitlyn was fine, too. It would have been nice if there was more of her but it was clear the focus of the story was on Vi, so she takes on a supporting role as a result. This was a "I can't go down to the Sump only you can, Vi" kind of story, so it follows that she couldn't get involved. Vi literally had to "leave the Wardens" in order to investigate, so Caitlyn couldn't offer much help.
: Why I feel "Child of Zaun" missed the mark. [Spoilers]
Apparently bots are going around bombing posts with upvotes/downvotes...? I would never downvote a post like this, just serving to start discussion and I don't know why so many other people would either so, have an upvote I guess. I overall enjoyed Child of Zaun, but I agree the climax in particular was weak. It wouldn't have taken much to fix it, a few of your suggestions and it would be fine. If they were afraid of too many people to keep track of, just cut down the fight to four or five mooks and Urgot. Have the others lag behind because of the toxins or something. The fight scene towards the beginning when Vi first arrives in the Sump is fine. Why short on action now? Also no real mention of how Urgot and Vi's stories could relate to each other. The story is called "Child of Zaun" and one of the "philosophical questions" posed is how Vi "has to choose between Zaun and Piltover" how "she's from one place but is working for another". There is no real mention of...oh gee, idk, how URGOT is not from Zaun? He chose Zaun (kind of, I think he's on a bit of a revenge scheme as well as an idealistic rampage) over Noxus. Feel like that bit of story could have been relevant here and serve to really pit Vi's ideals versus Urgot's through their similar backstories. I don't know, it was going well and you're right, the one thing that felt lack luster was the climax. There was no real change other than acknowledgement that Urgot is a possible threat. It felt like set up for Vi's character, but I felt they could have dove a bit deeper with little effort. Just an extra paragraph or two could have helped establish Vi's current position on the matter, or even her confusion on what is right. Why is she a Warden, why does she feel that's the best way to help Zaun and Piltover? How was her fight with Urgot; was it tough because she's confused, or did she find resolve in her current line of thinking and fight even harder? I liked plenty of things, Roe in particular was a nice addition to help us (and Vi) see how she might be viewed by her old friends. We had sort of got hints of it like from some of Ekko's quotes, but this was much more visceral. Makes me look forward to Arcane and I hope to see Roe there, too.
: Runeterra PSA: Stop Imprisoning people
While I get what you are saying, I don't think its a good idea to just go around killing people. Feel like its ok to look for alternative solutions initially instead of immediately condemning people to death. Its a little conceited to think you can judge who lives and who dies, right? Also, the land itself imprisoned Syndra, possibly for a reason, so the people of Ionia didn't really get a say in that and just rolled with it. "Hey we live with the land and the land just imprisoned this danger for us, I guess we protect the prison now...?"
Sukishoo (NA)
: Mecha Kingdoms (January 15, 2020)
People keep saying how this will fit in the Mecha universe, but I think this is supposed to be its own distinct thing. This Jax mech looks more "fantasy mech" like a Studio Ghibli film while both the Mecha and Super Galaxy lines are more "sci-fi mech" if that makes any sense. Less "robot" and more "ancient fantasy tech" like with the Sheikah Slate and related things from Zelda Breath of the Wild.
: Is the whole Mothership thing even still cannon? Because isn’t them being from “The Glade” the current story from Lulu. Personally I like them being in a small city in the spirit realm or some pocket dimension spawned by a pocket of insanity and magic (The Glade was similar to Wonderland or the Faewild)
The Mothership thing hasn't been mentioned, I think its safe to say it is no longer canon. The Glade is still canon, but it is NOT where Yordles are from. The Glade is still its own thing, where Pix is from. Yordles have their own plane of existence, Bandle City, and the Glade is supposedly even more magical and crazy than Bandle City is.
: Can someone explain the twin shadows icon
I always thought it looked kind of like a bow? Shooting a shadow?? But upon closer inspection it looks more like a ghost with a posh necklace, as you said.
: There have been quite some changes to the regions, tbh. For example, Piltover and Zaun were not part of the same big city back then. Piltover just has been the cliche "good steampunk city", while Zaun was the "evil steampunk city". And both were rivaling each other. Now these 2 cities are actually connected and depend on each other. And Piltover isn't just shown as the good guys, since we know of their problems with corrupt aristrocrats. While Zaun is still a dangerous place, we now know that there is good stuff down there, too. Like Blitzcrank, Janna, and Zac who are all good guys trying to save people, unlike before. ________________ Besides.... Bandle City also had the silliest thematic and needed a change. Yordles have just been furry aliens who landed on Runeterra with their mothership. Just like **many** champions back then have just been aliens, btw. Anivia? From a cryophoenix planet. Malphite? Alien dude from a planet with rock people. Even Morgana and Kayle have been from another planet inhabited by angels. The whole "they are aliens" stuff was weird and kinda lazy. I am glad about the new direction they have taken for Bandle City.
It was never confirmed that Yordles were aliens, just that they have this ancient relic that they value which just so happens to be a spaceship. They don't know where the Mothership came from though. Even if they were aliens, they are less "from another planet" and more "evolved from aliens that landed here". Besides, its not like aliens aren't still in Runeterra. Targon is an entire civilization essentially built around worshiping aliens. Having another species would not have been totally unusual. I agree with you that certain Champions that were formerly "sUmmONeD fRoM aNotHeR DiMenSioN" were silly and unconnected from the lore, but with many of those they did a good job still keeping with their core theme. Morgana and Kayle are still angel-like beings with opposing ideals, Anivia is still a long-lived protector, etc. I don't think they've done as good a job with Bandle City, mostly because they have barely developed it, but also because they essentially made it another dimension. Before, it was an actual place on the map with possible alien ties. Now it is quite literally another plane of existence. A "spiritual" plane instead of a "physical" one, but still relatively unconnected. If I get more info, I could change my mind, but for now, Bandle just doesn't have enough info.
: Every Region in League has more or less stayed somewhat true to their origins except Bandle City.
While I personally didn't like the decision to make Yordles "mythical" and Bandle City "on another plane", I have kind of come to accept that these will probably stay somewhat true. That said, I have some thoughts on the possible direction for Bandle. 1. Kill Glamour. I hate it and its confusing. Heim creating Glamour is still fine, but why can he make it and ALSO it works for Tristana without her trying? I think glamour CAN be an interesting plot point, but I think overall its suffocating any Yordle character. Like what about Yuumi, is she glamour'd? Or is she just a cat to humans? Does this make it difficult for them to interact with humans? Why do they always appear as old people, when someone like Trist it might make more sense for her to be young?? I just don't get the purpose, other than making them "more mythical". 2. Switching them to magical works fine, especially since technology is established to be somewhat magical in nature. Much of Yordle magic just feels like "they believe in this, so it works for them" which I think works for a somewhat child-like civilization of people. Plus it seems like--if Rumble being a Bandle patriot is still true--Bandle itself still has technology, even if the beings themselves are magical. Its fine to do both, as long as the other isn't neglected. 3. I assumed the females Yordles still had fur, just a very light layer. This might just be my mistaken headcanon, but I'm fine with female Yordles getting a bit fuzzier, so long as established Yordle designs still work. Making it so that Lulu, Trist, Poppy have light fur on their faces is plausible and works to unify the fuzzy Yordle designs a bit. 4. The main thing I want when Bandle City FINALLY gets updated is: I just want Bandle City to be an actual place. It can exist on its own spirit plane and have secret portals all over Runeterra, but the City itself is a community, with buildings, people, etc. What kind of society they have is up to Riot, but I just want them to have an actual real functioning town and not just a "spiritual, magical plane that humans foolishly call a 'city'" I am fine with some changes, but I agree that it feels like Riot has no plan and just been leaving Bandle in limbo for some time now. I just want all the existing characters to still stay true to their character, and also lay the groundwork for future interesting Bandle/Yordle characters and lore.
Jacksin (OCE)
: I'm just so frustrating with Riot's refusal to push past gender stereo types.
I don't understand these posts. You love Neeko but you don't like that she's "just another flowery girl mage"....I mean, yeah, I was hoping for cute cat boy with Yuumi but I like Yuumi anyways so its ok. Not to mention Neeko isn't sexualized much, if at all. She moves like a creature, she's upbeat and fairly innocent. She has feelings of her own like with Nidalee, but that is expected of a fleshed out character and nowhere are her feelings necessarily sexualized (outside of Riot confirming she's a lesbian). There are of course going to be people who are into that, but there are people who are into Illaoi, a character who is explicitly designed to go against those tropes. Everyone has their own tastes. Some people think Camille is sexualized. Others don't. Some think she even breaks some tropes. I think its entirely debatable and I think that's fine. Not everyone thinks the same way. I think League is on the whole good at appealing to different tastes and at providing different archetypes and tropes that people enjoy. Most recently, Senna is not really sexualized at all aside from being a woman, has a lot of melancholy quotes while not being overly negative, is married, and is strong without falling into the stupid "strong woman" stereotype. And this is on the heels of Qiyanna, a sassy diva that some people hate some people love, a literal cat who is not sexualized at all, a SHIRTLESS MAN who in his recent story gave the fuck me eyes to tough as nails Freljordian shaman, Neeko, and Pyke. That's a huge variety of characters, and these are just the recently released ones. Asking for archetypes that are not yet covered is one thing. But shaking your finger at 150 characters just because they don't suit YOUR tastes is just silly. Every champion has huge fans that love everything about the character...even poor Ivern.
: >Aphelios is a shoe in next time it comes around. I thought the same thing about Star Guardian {{champion:163}}.........hell, even Pool Party Tali, yet here we are 3 years later. Though unlike Tali, I get the feeling Aph is going to be pretty popular. So he probably won't be waiting years for a skin.
I'm concerned Aphelios will be a problem child when it comes to skins, much like Zyra for example. Many models for each of his guns, differing effects for all of them and some Alune representation, too. Even if popular, feels difficult to make skins for. We shall see though.
BBKong (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=03AEt7gJ,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-30T02:50:38.524+0000) > > Lunar Revel... is 2 months away... It's the end of January. Aphelios comes out on like December 11th or so according to the client. Assuming the champ comes out at the start of the event, it might not be 30 days between champs but it's still a month between champs. Besides, it was just a joke about how often they pump out new champs. Well, this year it was the end of January. Before that it was February. It's really whatever they feel like honestly.
Lunar Revel is to celebrate the Lunar New Year (often called Chinese New Year) so it happens sometime around the Lunar New Year. Riot doesn't control the lunar calendar, its just something that falls on different days every year.
Arakadia (NA)
: Ahri needed a mostly naked skin shoehorned into the thematic more. Maybe next year :(
To be fair, the other Elderwood skins were for relatively less popular Champs that needed skins. I think a healthy mix of both in each event is a good compromise.
: Lamb is basically Kindred in her current iteration which is why everyone calls them; "her". Wolf is not prominent, and is nothing more than a feint particle effect while Lamb has a massive cult following behind her *cough* furries *cough*
While I definitely see where you're coming from, a huge part of Kindred's VO is both characters. To someone like me who really enjoys VOs and is part of what makes me like a character, I think Wolf is equally a part of the character as Lamb.
: > [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wgejIh3F,comment-id=000100000001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-28T05:53:26.552+0000) > > You don't pay attention to what I say. I addressed this: > > Basically, in-game interactions _could_ be canon in the future. Illaoi has never met Braum, but if she did, she would like him, as she expressed in her quote towards him. The characters that make remarks to Garen or Katarina may not know about any relationship they have (or if there is even a relationship yet) but if they did, this is how they would remark. > > You can't know this. I'm basing my statement on being in the League community for 9ish years and also the state of this thread: mostly downvotes. And most threads I see of this nature are downvotes. I don't have an exact count, but neither do you. I think its safe to say that at least both sides have a lot of people. > > Uh, what? Why would every Champion in the game need to be in LoR in order for it to be canon? What about written stories that only include one or two Champions? Or short stories that don't have _any_ Champions? Are they non-canon? The answer is they are still canon. This does not invalidate LoR either. > > Ixtal wasn't included in League lore until recently, that doesn't mean it or any other region is non-canon. The primary reason they didn't include every reason in LoR was for gameplay purposes; they only have so much development time, so they chose to spend it on a few select regions and fine tune them as much as possible. It does not invalidate the potential canon of the characters contained in the cards. > > For example, Scarmother Vrynna, a Freljord card, recently appeared in a Sylas short story. She wasn't known about before LoR, yet she was eventually confirmed to exist thanks to Sylas's story. Hence not a stretch to believe Katarina and Garen at the very least meeting and forming a friendly relationship (not even necessarily a romance) in the future, like implied by many in-game quotes and LoR interactions. I know what you mean, but what I mean is this : since Riot has been promoting this ship and people have already known this ship, it's not a secret or hidden romantic relationship, instead, it's a showmance. I think LOR being canon or not is controversial, I just don't think a game missing so many champions and regions but adding so many new settings should be canon. It seems a different version to me.
Just because THE AUDIENCE knows about something doesn't mean THE CHARACTERS do. Its not a "SHOWMANCE" just because Riot or Riot's playerbase knows about it. If it was forevermore hidden from us then there would be no stories for us to see/read about it, would there? The game not having every Champion does not disqualify the game from being canon. I have no idea where you logic here is. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt but I think 4 Step was right after all: just another Xano alt with other alts to upvote yourself on every post.
: > LOR bought the copyright and produce their own game. WHAT? No, no they didn't. Legends of Runeterra is being developed by RIOT GAMES. The same Riot Games that owns the League of Legends copyright. It is not being produced by a different company, it is the same company and they are the ones who decide what is canon and what is not.
LoR as a whole is a copyrighted game. That does NOT mean Riot gave the copyright to someone else. It is still Riot games. I don't know what you are trying to say.
: Is Sylas pig-like? No, but he was still in this year's Lunar Reveal for year of the pig. Just because they're being released during an event associated with an animal doesn't mean they have anything to do with said animal. And rats aren't really known for, you know, being jacked, fire-wielding fist fighters that work alone. And since the Vastaya seem to have personalities reflective of what animals they are, I would imagine that a rat Vastaya would be more timid and stealth oriented, yet social.
I was just going by the fact that "Sett's Calling Card" has some kind of rodent symbol. Its not "Twitch's Calling Card". Again its just pure speculation. I've seen other people speculating he's a badger, and even though badgers are mustelids and not rodents, I could easily see a badger Champ having a "Rat Skin". Badgers are also known for being kind of rough and gruff, especially the internet's perception of honey badgers. But you're right. Not all Lunar Revel skins relate to the year's zodiac animal. Year of the dog we got two dogs and a Lux. It just kind of depends on what Riot feels like doing.
: That's probably for Lunar Reveal and its a rat head because next year is year of that rat. It likely has nothing to do with the juggernaut's design or anything, with only the name having any significance.
This is pure speculation, but could this mean the new Champ is somehow rodent-like? He looks to be associated with the next Lunar Revel after all. Otherwise I'll be extremely disappointed if Twitch doesn't get a skin.
: Aphelios high-pitched painful ringing
I feel like these kinds of things you never hear in-game. This is an isolation of the Voice Over and nothing else, which is not how it is presented in-game. I've felt this way about past voice filters then never think about it again because in-game this is not precisely what it sounds like. Background noises like this aren't picked up as well on in-game audio. I could be wrong, but that's my take. Hear it in-game before anything.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zkaiser,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wgejIh3F,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-27T19:00:02.820+0000) > > Then I could say the comic books aren't canon because they don't feature all the champions. Riot MAKES LoR and Riot writers create all of the lore bits and voice lines. Everything we see in LoR is canon. The Fearsome General is General Du'Couteau, the Arena Bookie for the Reckonings is named Karl, and at some point Garen asked Katarina to meet him at the docks at night. > > It's not like Riot gave the rights for League characters to an outside company who is doing whatever they want with the characters. Riot is making the it themselves and is using the LoL lore to populate the game. Comic books did not buy the copyright to produce their own comic series. LOR bought the copyright and produce their own game. You can add anything you want if you bought the copyright, it's like a different version of the characters. Riot can not say it's not canon because LOR bought their copyright, does that make sense to you? It's just a different team.
> LOR bought the copyright and produce their own game. WHAT? No, no they didn't. Legends of Runeterra is being developed by RIOT GAMES. The same Riot Games that owns the League of Legends copyright. It is not being produced by a different company, it is the same company and they are the ones who decide what is canon and what is not.
: > [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wgejIh3F,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-27T05:56:16.130+0000) > > I never once said its what Rioters say. Katarina and Garen is a popular pairing, and Riot is giving a nod to it with their lines in Legends of Runeterra. > > Some people don't like this relationship. That's fine. Many others like it though, for some of the reasons I was talking about. I don't have an exact number of those people, but I think there are always plenty of people defending the idea when threads like this pop up. Its an old school ship, of course it is going to have fans. > > I couldn't really say if it was a "showmance" or not, since we don't have any canon stories with both Garen and Kat. All we have is a years-long series of nods to this popular pairing. Just because we, the audience, are privy to it doesn't mean its not hidden. And Riot has always been really weird about timelines and character knowledge--a character making a snide remark about the two doesn't necessarily mean in-canon that they already know or that they even meet either of them. Its really dumb, but the most reliable canon there is are the written stuff. LoR and even in-game League quotes are supplementary. it's not that popular, there are many people dislike garen kat. Also LOR is not the lore. It's a lore based new storyline. I think riot wants to promote their new game and so they tell you it's the lore, but if you think about it, how can it be the lore when it does not have all the champions? They could say "more will be added in the future", but come on, how can it be the lore if it starts off only part of the champions and regions selectively? I mean, that's not a good excuse, if you know what I mean, for example, they could select a few champions from all the regions, instead of saying more regions will be added in LOR **as the regions already exsist in LOL**. That's what showmance means - two people playing lovers but they are not real lovers. See, Rioters claim that they are secretly in a relationship, or that's what they try to hint at to the aundiences, but how can it be a hidden romantic relationship if it's already known by people? If everyone knows they are hidding their relationship, then it's not a hidden relationship, it's a showmance instead, meaning they are trying to play as secret lovers for the audience. Hope that makes sense.
> If everyone knows they are hidding their relationship, then it's not a hidden relationship, it's a showmance instead, meaning they are trying to play as secret lovers for the audience. You don't pay attention to what I say. I addressed this: > Riot has always been really weird about timelines and character knowledge--a character making a snide remark about the two doesn't necessarily mean in-canon that they already know or that they even meet either of them. Basically, in-game interactions _could_ be canon in the future. Illaoi has never met Braum, but if she did, she would like him, as she expressed in her quote towards him. The characters that make remarks to Garen or Katarina may not know about any relationship they have (or if there is even a relationship yet) but if they did, this is how they would remark. > it's not that popular You can't know this. I'm basing my statement on being in the League community for 9ish years and also the state of this thread: mostly downvotes. And most threads I see of this nature are downvotes. I don't have an exact count, but neither do you. I think its safe to say that at least both sides have a lot of people. > how can it be the lore when it does not have all the champions? Uh, what? Why would every Champion in the game need to be in LoR in order for it to be canon? What about written stories that only include one or two Champions? Or short stories that don't have _any_ Champions? Are they non-canon? The answer is they are still canon. This does not invalidate LoR either. > how can it be the lore if it starts off only part of the champions and regions selectively? Ixtal wasn't included in League lore until recently, that doesn't mean it or any other region is non-canon. The primary reason they didn't include every reason in LoR was for gameplay purposes; they only have so much development time, so they chose to spend it on a few select regions and fine tune them as much as possible. It does not invalidate the potential canon of the characters contained in the cards. For example, Scarmother Vrynna, a Freljord card, recently appeared in a Sylas short story. She wasn't known about before LoR, yet she was eventually confirmed to exist thanks to Sylas's story. Hence not a stretch to believe Katarina and Garen at the very least meeting and forming a friendly relationship (not even necessarily a romance) in the future, like implied by many in-game quotes and LoR interactions.
: How do you say Alune's name?
I imagine its "A-loon". Its likely based on the Latin (and other Romance languages) for moon "luna", which is "loon-a".
: > [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wgejIh3F,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-26T18:30:32.560+0000) > > I think the verdict was "possibly canon in the future, but as the World of Runeterra is now, non-canon". > > But I was speaking less about an actual canon pairing and more that people are a fan of the idea of pairing Garen and Katarina together. This has been a popular pairing for a long time, despite not being canon. But that's what you think, not what rioters say. And lots people don't like this ship. We never have an authentic poll for this ship. Poeple don't like this ship probably never come here and vote for it so you can't say the majority like this ship. I hope that make sense to you? Also, consider the defination of "hidden relationship", isn't kat and garen more of a "showmance" instead of "hidden romance"? If you know what I mean.
I never once said its what Rioters say. Katarina and Garen is a popular pairing, and Riot is giving a nod to it with their lines in Legends of Runeterra. Some people don't like this relationship. That's fine. Many others like it though, for some of the reasons I was talking about. I don't have an exact number of those people, but I think there are always plenty of people defending the idea when threads like this pop up. Its an old school ship, of course it is going to have fans. I couldn't really say if it was a "showmance" or not, since we don't have any canon stories with both Garen and Kat. All we have is a years-long series of nods to this popular pairing. Just because we, the audience, are privy to it doesn't mean its not hidden. And Riot has always been really weird about timelines and character knowledge--a character making a snide remark about the two doesn't necessarily mean in-canon that they already know or that they even meet either of them. Its really dumb, but the most reliable canon there is are the written stuff. LoR and even in-game League quotes are supplementary.
: > [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wgejIh3F,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-11-26T16:28:01.227+0000) > > What? They both kill people for their country. The main way in which they are different is the country the come from and that country's values. Demacia values things like honorable battles, whereas Noxus honors cunning, strength and skill. So each uses the values of their country to fight for their country. > > If you consider Garen to be more morally correct, that's fine. It just means you have values that line up closer to Demacia's. But you have to acknowledge that different places have different values, and that doesn't make them inherently bad. I'm sure this could be a neat story hook for a potential Katarina and Garen-centric story (maybe not initially a romance), which is why many people like the pairing. Wait wait wait, but didn't Rioter just said they are not canon on twitter not long ago?
I think the verdict was "possibly canon in the future, but as the World of Runeterra is now, non-canon". But I was speaking less about an actual canon pairing and more that people are a fan of the idea of pairing Garen and Katarina together. This has been a popular pairing for a long time, despite not being canon.
: Yes BUT Garen IS a very moral character and Katerina IS a killer.
What? They both kill people for their country. The main way in which they are different is the country the come from and that country's values. Demacia values things like honorable battles, whereas Noxus honors cunning, strength and skill. So each uses the values of their country to fight for their country. If you consider Garen to be more morally correct, that's fine. It just means you have values that line up closer to Demacia's. But you have to acknowledge that different places have different values, and that doesn't make them inherently bad. I'm sure this could be a neat story hook for a potential Katarina and Garen-centric story (maybe not initially a romance), which is why many people like the pairing.
Sukishoo (NA)
: How about you try some constructive criticisms without insults? Maybe just maybe saying things like "Such a waste of space these Developers are." Makes them not want to do things differently? They have 150 champions to go through, it's not like they can please everyone 24/7 anyway. I play Karma and still find her pretty decent as is. They are also giving her a skin in the upcoming patch, so they would have had to do far more work to do anything alongside that. They have a schedule that they plot out for the year on what's going to be done for the game afterall.
Exactly this. On top of that, typically things like the Lux VFX update are opportunistic passion projects done by one of the VFX artists who found some free time to do this. I can remember some time ago, a similar thing happened to allow Kassadin's model to be updated, and it looked a lot better. All because a developer found some free time and really liked Kass and wanted to give him a little more polish.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Sonas main fantasy was never "oh she is a mute girl", it was that she was a magicial musician. I mean sure Bard does that too kinda, but he is very otherworldly and his kit doesn't really revolve around music.
The mute-ness was always just to contribute to the "magical musician" fantasy in my opinion. She's mute so she has to communicate through her music.
Dominoo (NA)
: And I’m just here thinking how didn’t they capture her at the very beginning, since demacia is strongly against mages. How is she still be able to linger around demacia knowing she can create magic and miracles with her Etwahl. Riot really need to explain and update her lore. **Unless she took over demacia and controlled everyone, since in her lore it stated that she can control peoples mind.**
I just assume Demacia is so ignorant about magic that even when one of their own is actually using magic, they may not always recognize it as such. With Sona, they may just view her music as so moving, inspiring, etc, when in actuality she is using a magical instrument. When you think about it, people in our real world sometimes consider music "magical" but magic doesn't even exist in our world. So it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think the opposite: her music is "powerful" but not considered "magic" because "magic bad, inspiring music good, so it can't be magic". Sona is simply hiding in plain sight. She is also an adopted member of the Buvelle noble family, so they could also be contributing to hiding the true nature of her talent as well, much like Lux was being hidden by the Crownguard family. That's my take on it anyways. Would be nice to get a true lore update instead of all this speculation.
: Yeah Diana's weapon is made from moonsilver, which is the same material that the handles of Aphelios' weapons are crafted from, but not the main material which is moonstone. Moonstone is the rare stuff Nami is searching for. It's also a blade made for fighting, whereas these relics were more sculptural in nature - originally more like holy art pieces carved from the most sacred and precious material. They were only refined and set into moonsilver brackets after Alune and Aphelios unlocked their potential as focuses for her magical power.
Ok, that seems right. I was thinking the handles looked like similar material to Diana's weapon. Thanks for the info!
: Can we get a visual breakdown of Aphelios?
These weapons are practically made out of crescent shapes, I'm not really sure any other shape language would say "moon" better than that. I think Aphelios's weapons just look a little more sleek since they weren't designed 8 years ago by a completely different designer. If you look at Diana's splash art, her blade is similarly made of mainly crescent shapes, its just not the same color, perhaps because of the lighting or perhaps because of Riot's splash style has changed a bit. I would say the silver parts of Aphelios' weapons more resemble Diana's. I can't remember, but is Diana's weapon made of moonstone? That could account for some of the differences in design.
: Can we talk about how rediculous Champion Design's are lately?
{{champion:518}} ? Also Ashe is different from how she originally was, her slow used to be a toggle on an ability for example. I don't think complexity = bad. It _can_ mean that, but honestly Aphelios is going to be hands down the most difficult Champion in the game--with so many ammos and gun orders to keep track of, having to plan and think on your feet when you don't have the right gun available--so anybody who actually plays him and masters him is going to be near OTP with him.
arowin242 (EUW)
: 1 Swain was a commander during the invasion of Ionia, after he lost his arm and Noxus retreated he went to the immortal bastion, conquerored the demon of secrets inside, and with the help of Draven overthrew Boram Darkwill (who was the grand general of noxus during the invasion, and is as old as Sion) 2 Senna is already effected by the black mist, but has conquered it Both have relic weapons which protect him from unholy things and are capable of destroying them. does this answer satisfy you?
You mean Darius, not Draven, but otherwise correct (although I'm sure Draven likes to think of it this way). Edit: my mistake, someone already addressed this.
Ask Kayn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lady Faceless,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yjig4POz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-20T16:54:11.108+0000) > > > **Kayn** > > First of all, finally some canon interaction between Kayn and Zed! Back then I heard that Kayn was supposed to be Zed right hand, I didn’t really believe in it. For that ingame Kayn seem to be too full of himself. Not only that both talk on the same eyelevel, Kayn is a more critical person then I expected. Seeing him like this actually some a breath of fresh air, which I enjoy. And he is still himself, wanted to fight Althon because he warmed up. Running without armor because who needs that? Truly not Kayn. > Also, interesting to see how Kayn’s corruption is not the same as ingame. So far only his left underarm is affected while ingame his complete left arm, shoulder and left eye are corrupted. Also he doesn’t have braided hair nor his iconic blue streak. I wonder why he started to braid his hair. Probably Rhaast urged him to do? > Yes, absolutely. I was surprised to see the marked difference between his in-game personality and what the comic reveals. Though this is perhaps (just like in the Odyssey short story), made to reflect the changes in the character. Just like his physical design (less corruption, no blue streak, both human eyes, etc), it is meant to show the 'before' and 'after'. We can also notice the lack of Rhaast's voice. He's quiet, sleeping, hidden in the cloth, he -isn't really there yet-. We can easily infer this comic is set in a previous timeframe to the 'present Kayn'. Then, we have his speech, which surprised me the most; filled with contractions, makes him feel 'younger'. I really liked his strategical concern for money, always searching how to 'get funds' for the Order's campaign. He's truly Zed's Right Hand. I'm eager to see the next issue, Jhin as a disruptive element will affect the characters and feed us more details on their personality. PD: I so want to see the relationship between Kayn and Jovn!
Hard to say if Rhaast isn't talking to him at all. Since the comic's focus is on Zed and Shen and their story, we thus far haven't really gotten anything from Kayn's perspective, and might not dive into it. As far as I can tell, Rhaast is something only Kayn can hear, so we'd need the story to be from his perspective in order to know for sure the level of interaction those two are having. Kayn clearly has the start of his corruption on his arm, so there was probably SOME kind of interaction between him and Rhaast. I'm still enjoying his role in the story though, even if he is just a side character for now.
: A good point, yes. We also weren't shown close-ups of the art at all, so its hard to tell just how beautifully terrifying it actually is when we're looking at it from a distance. Cause, again, I think they're intentionally censoring it/making it more tame so that they don't have to make the comic rated R or something. Not the first time, though. The fact that his old color story was too graphic is one of the reasons it was scrapped.
I think they are definitely intentionally obscuring it to keep it like PG13. I am honestly fine with that as I think leaving it to the imagination and only vaguely implying what happened makes it a little more terrifying. The other comics were also pretty tame. Not a lot of blood or gore or anything of that nature. Just what is usually described as "cartoon violence" I would say.
: [Spoilers!] Zed Issue Nr 1. Discussion
> The art style looks similar to the Lux comic while it doesn’t suffer from the same problems – weird faces and the difficulty to follow the movements. The action looks fluid and is easy to follow as reader. See I actually have the opposite opinion, I think Lux looked way better. I prefer League's typical art style, but the Lux comic looked good, even if it had some weird expressions sometimes (mainly on Sylas in particular, for whatever reason). Zed comic looks ugly, way too much like a Silver age comic and not in a nostalgic homage way. There's even a point where Master Althon is talking a crap ton in two panels, yet those panels clearly show action that lasts like one second. Such a Silver age thing to do. > Personally, I don’t really believe the “his art is so beautiful and terrifying at the same time” because the pieces we saw so far were not impress at all. We didn't really get to see Jhin's victims, they were obscured. I honestly think that's for the best because it leaves it up to the imagination rather than to try and actually illustrate something that is both beautiful and horrifying. Anything they tried to make would have to be PG13, so wouldn't be anywhere near as horrific as its meant to be. > Also, does he always turn humans into “flowers”? In the Jhin color story, a villager also saw flower. So far I actually expect more variability and more horror from him. I’m not impressed so far. Let see if I can be proven wrong. I'm not really sure how you can judge Jhin's presentation seeing as he was barely in the comic at all. It was all setup. The reason Jhin's work is so awful is because his victim's FACES look like the flowers. Just try to imagine, what does one have to do to a human face to make it look like a flower? These people are mangled. Its also kind of Jhin's thing, and serial killers typically have a specific "calling card" of sorts. Jhin does every killing really artsy and likes an audience. Also, in-game, anyone Jhin kills does one of his trap explosions, which are flowers, so its kind of nice nod to his gameplay (or the passive is a nice nod to the canon story, not sure which came first). I overall enjoyed the story as well. I was happy when I realized Kayn would probably be in this, and he is great so far, so I am particularly happy about that. Not really trying to be overly critical of your opinions. These few things you mentioned just bothered me.
: But you see, way back in season 3 or 4 I only started playing him because he had so many blood puns. I am a sucker for puns. I don't want riot to give him an edgy "unique" VO and do what they did to Ezreal by getting rid of his lovably spammable "you belong in a museum."
You can still give him blood puns and make him an actual character. I laugh more at new Ezreal's VO than I ever did at the old one, in part because there are still references to the best parts of his old VO while making him actually entertaining.
: I play alot of vlad and I think he needs a VGU more than anyone on the list of reworks.
I don't play a lot of Vlad and I still agree. His personality and visuals have so much potential, but his outdated visuals and voice just aren't delivering at all.
Jaspers (EUW)
: To be honest, it reads oddly. As though it's written for him to be lucky and survive. Thorva goes to him instead of turning away like told to. He touches her and takes her power but she survives so he keeps his head. And he takes Brokvar's powers to live. He then in discussion mentions "He says he had a vision. A dream that came to him, of three Freljordian sisters. It was they who urged him to come here." What does that even mean? Since when does he have precog powers considering he has no power on his own? Let's say he goes with them, does a raid and get their help. Then what? Travel back to Demacia to fight a well organised army of thousands with anti-magic armour? What will he tell his other followers when he returns alone without the dozen he took? Will he claim it's for the greater good and how many have to die before they realise he's an idiot? But that's the think and why think he's written well. Because unlike Vlad or LB, he's not a mastermind, he's not clever because he's not been educated to be. He's been in servitude then jail most of his life so he doesn't understand the world.
> He then in discussion mentions "He says he had a vision. A dream that came to him, of three Freljordian sisters. It was they who urged him to come here." What does that even mean? Since when does he have precog powers considering he has no power on his own? He didn't mention this, Thorva did, and she's lying. She's lying because she truly believes the gods led her to Sylas and his survival is their will. So she uses the legend of the three sisters to convince the more superstitious among their raiding party. So no, Sylas doesn't have precog powers. He just got lucky that Thorva believes in him in a religious sense and lied about what he said. And in all fairness, both Sylas and the Freljordians don't seem to know much about each other. Sylas didn't know what True Ice was, which is a legendary material to the Freljord tribes, and Thorva didn't know what petricite was, Demacia's bread and butter armor material. So the tribe is choosing to possibly trust Sylas, and the only reason they gave him that chance is because Thorva lied on his behalf. Maybe his plan _will _ fall apart. I think Sylas' is less a mastermind and more an agent of anarchy. He absolutely hates "the system" and will do anything in his power (and the power of others') to stop it, even if it means misleading this tribe of the Freljord. He happens to have mastered his really strong powers, which is part of what makes him "a Legend" in the League of Legends sense. His leadership of the rebels basically comes from how he's frenzied the already oppressed mage population; he just happened to be the final straw for them in a sense, an issue that was already brewing but boiled over with Sylas's actions. And you can see these all as character flaws and that's totally fair. I don't think Sylas is supposed to be this mastermind. He's someone who was mistreated by the system and Demacia is suffering the consequences. Sylas could have done this more heroically, but instead he chose to become this manipulative person because he has issues. Is he justified or not? That's a completely open discussion and something I like about Sylas's character.
: I wonder what do you think about With's Brew Blitz and PROJECT Warwick? It feels like recently they released quite a lot of skins for unpopular champions and not only that but also of decent quality. I personally think both these skins, non-legendary even, are of good quality. So there's some hope for next year.
Also things like TWO Karma skins (one upcoming) that look great, Shen, Varus, Shaco, Udyr, Veigar, all got good quality skins that suit them. We are expecting a Zilean skin by the end of the year, but seeing as he already has a holiday skin (and there isn't much time left for other themes) I'm curious what they are going to give him.
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