FLeXxZiz (NA)
: I would Like some Legal help
If you want legal help there are lawyers you can contact for that, but this is a video game board. Your local authorities should have a number to call (and if someone assaulted you that's who you should be contacting). The police will get in contact with Riot if necessary. Posting this on the board does nothing.
: Rito is working on mobile LOL with chinese overlords
That entire article is built on this one sentence, *One of the sources said Tencent and Riot have been working on a mobile version of “League of Legends” for more than a year, although a separate source said it was unlikely to be launched in 2019.* Literally no other information about this supposed game (and even this one sentence hints that the "sources" are giving conflicting information with their use of "although"). The remainder of the article is conjecture based on that one sentence.
AvidKane (NA)
: I have to disagree, I think anyone who gets a ban just creates a new account. I also play with a lot of smurfs when I go to a new account. Also it doesn't take long to level up, so ranked comes pretty fast.
> [{quoted}](name=AvidKane,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=K54kvP5j,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-23T05:59:12.547+0000) > > I have to disagree, I think anyone who gets a ban just creates a new account. I also play with a lot of smurfs when I go to a new account. Also it doesn't take long to level up, so ranked comes pretty fast. I see a lot of people travel through these forms proclaiming that they're quitting the game for good if they don't get their perma-ban reversed. Not everyone is willing to start such a progression heavy game from scratch. It's just a reminder of all the things they will have to unlock again just to get back to where they were. You and some others willing to waste time starting over again and again doesn't mean that everyone is willing to do it. If you enjoyed "playing with the noobs and owning them" more than playing on a long-term account, you would never have a long-term account to get banned in the first place.
Cibs (EUW)
: thank you for nothing Riot :)
Thanks for coming here and showing a legitimate ban on someone who deserved it. You may act like you're some sort of thorn in Riot's side, but you're just one player among millions. Your situation and determination to intentionally ruin games is not likely to draw anything more than a passing glance by a couple of low level employees even if you get a manual review. Since this was likely handled automatically, even less attention was needed.
: It was a "Player Detected" ban which in a lot of cases people in the game may have said worse than me but because they got a squad of 3 their reports go harder than my one report towards them... i know Tyler1 got unbanned and he was far far worse than most of us here but he was able to get it back... is that just the power of influncers? they can but we cant? cause we are nobody's? seems odd to me.. im just hoping and praying god can make a miracle happen. i don't believe some should get unbanned and some shouldn't, we should all be equals.. If only there was a way to where i got another chance but one slip up and my account was perm deleted or something. this was my 2nd time being banned ever and it happened legit 2 days after i got off the 1st one. i dont think anyone would do it again 2 days apart but then again maybe im wrong.. it just hurts my soul.
> [{quoted}](name=Navii Gaming,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VvbWz6fZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-22T03:54:34.070+0000) > > It was a "Player Detected" ban which in a lot of cases people in the game may have said worse than me but because they got a squad of 3 their reports go harder than my one report towards them... i know Tyler1 got unbanned and he was far far worse than most of us here but he was able to get it back... is that just the power of influncers? they can but we cant? cause we are nobody's? seems odd to me.. im just hoping and praying god can make a miracle happen. i don't believe some should get unbanned and some shouldn't, we should all be equals.. If only there was a way to where i got another chance but one slip up and my account was perm deleted or something. this was my 2nd time being banned ever and it happened legit 2 days after i got off the 1st one. i dont think anyone would do it again 2 days apart but then again maybe im wrong.. it just hurts my soul. Sometimes it gets tiring explaining this Tyler1 thing. Well here it goes again; Tyler didn't have any of his accounts unbanned. What was lifted was his **ID ban**. The ID ban was basically Riot banning any of his accounts on sight the instant they spot it. It was that ban-on-sight that was lifted. But any accounts that was banned in this fashion remained banned. If you find yourself with an ID ban you can contact support to reconsider it after a year. Same as him.
: This Game Is My Life
I mean, of course most people regret some choices they've made (myself included). But regretting the choice doesn't make the consequences of the choice go away.
: I MOVED, Please dont ban me for playing
You don't get a 14-day ban for moving. The worst that could happen from traveling is a shield ban if Riot mistakenly thought your account was compromised. But this would give a permanent ban (until you fixed the problem), not a 14-day.
: Sims 4 free on Origin for a limited time.
So, like 1/10th of Sim 4? How much would expansions, content packs, store content ring up? That's where they gut your wallet with the sims games. All of the DLC to make it feel like a full game and not just a demo.
: Riot shouldn't have the ability to ban you from their game. I hope that there is a law passed that makes it so that games and social media sites can't ban you from their platform.
> [{quoted}](name=Clockwork Mouse,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TTAdaaP6,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-22T02:30:52.196+0000) > > Riot shouldn't have the ability to ban you from their game. I hope that there is a law passed that makes it so that games and social media sites can't ban you from their platform. Fuck no. That would basically turn the internet into a dystopia with programmers and developers having less control over their own property than the end-users who stumble onto their platform with no risk or cost to themselves.
Raaaandy (NA)
: Is this worthy?
I mean, you were insulting people in both of those games.
: I love how you downvote spam anyone that disagrees with you and then link us to literally nothing
> [{quoted}](name=Lunar ArcS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JHLf1Fcx,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-05-22T03:08:55.191+0000) > > I love how you downvote spam anyone that disagrees with you and then link us to literally nothing You mean you don't see pages upon pages of google search results where people had problems with the previous client? That's "literally nothing" to you? I can see you're not willing to accept any sort of reasoning that goes against your own opinion that's founded on no programming knowledge. Have a lovely day, I wont continue arguing with someone that disregards all reasoning and proof.
: Smurfs/Premades NEED to be stopped in some fashion. It's killing the game.
Premades are not a problem. You're not going to stop people from wanting to play together. If you want to make sure to limit people to a max of two people per group you have the option of playing ranked solo/duo. As for the smurf problem, what would you recommend to stop people from smurfing but not alienating the F2P nature of the game or setting up something that no one being careful would ever sign up for in the first place (like requiring a phone number to make a free account)? Edit: Wait a second, you're someone that claimed that the game was P2W. You don't need to answer question, consider it rhetorical.
: >You can't make that guarantee. Neither you nor me have any idea what the code looks like so neither of us would know what the problem is, how to fix it, or how much time it would take to do both of those. With how much excess money they make? Don't be so delusional they could fix it but they don't want to. It's why bug reports go unchecked half the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Lunar ArcS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JHLf1Fcx,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-22T02:35:17.804+0000) > > With how much excess money they make? Don't be so delusional they could fix it but they don't want to. It's why bug reports go unchecked half the time. Don't be so delusional to think that just throwing money at programming problems makes the problem get fixed faster. It's actually the reverse many times, the more programmers you have on a singular project the slower it gets done because too much time is wasted just making sure everyone is up to date and privy to any minute change you might make that affects their own code. The other person was right, don't pretend you know how programming problems work.
: There wasn't a single thing wrong with their previous client. They spent a bunch of money to make a laggy replacement of what they had before. :/
> [{quoted}](name=Mathgodpi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JHLf1Fcx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-22T02:36:46.459+0000) > > There wasn't a single thing wrong with their previous client. They spent a bunch of money to make a laggy replacement of what they had before. :/ [Yeah, not a single problem. \s](https://www.google.com/search?q=league+of+legends+client+internet+explorer+site:forums.na.leagueoflegends.com&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjonLKGkK7iAhUip1kKHSkNCskQrQIoBDABegQICBAM&biw=2560&bih=969)
: ***
If that's your idea of acceptable behavior then I can see why they wouldn't reverse your ban.
: The reason I brought that up is to show that saying in ToU that you can terminate for any reason in "their sole discretion" does not completely cover their ass legally.
> [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LxJEdGqo,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-21T19:15:38.545+0000) > > The reason I brought that up is to show that saying in ToU that you can terminate for any reason in "their sole discretion" does not completely cover their ass legally. It... does? Like I said, the decision to ban an account is not based on any illegal discrimination. So yes, the ToU covers their ass and it's not fraud. If you want to talk about a hypothetical such as if the laws were changed then you'll be doing just that. Talking about a hypothetical that doesn't exist.
: Wrongful bans are fraud
>Property laws say a shop keep can deny service to anyone they don't want to serve in their "sole discretion" too. They can ask them to leave the premises of their store for "any reason, or no reason, in their sole discretion". However, "in their sole discretion" is in fact limited by a number of things. The reason can not be racist, for example, even though the shop keep does have the right to deny service to anyone - and to ask anyone to leave the premises - for any reason or no reason in their "sole discretion". The shop keep I'm sure could come up with a great business community related reason to not serve a black person. "My other customers will leave/ have a more negative experience at my store if I allow in black people, and I reserve the right to kick out anyone who negatively impacts the experiences of my other customers." He does have the right to kick out people who negatively impact his other customers, but, if the decision to kick the person out is based on something "unreasonable" like race, then the shop keep can't do it. Given that Riot's decision to ban an account is not based on any form of illegal discrimination it sounds like they're in the clear.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=F0xyW9HL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-21T08:03:36.175+0000) > > It's absurd that Riot didn't hand pick an entire enemy team of Iron's to fight and Plat teammates who make sure to feed you all the kills. You should ask for a refund. 5 man vs 5 randoms that arent in a discord/voice chat.. yeah totally fair. forgot. fuck off lol
> [{quoted}](name=1 Inch and Proud,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=F0xyW9HL,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T10:43:35.362+0000) > > 5 man vs 5 randoms that arent in a discord/voice chat.. yeah totally fair. forgot. fuck off lol Yeah, Riot should call 4 of your friends, make a discord server, and place all of you in it once you queue up. The nerve of Riot not satisfying the basic needs of matchmaking.
RallerenP (EUW)
: > An automatic system is not going to suddenly judge someone as guilty when it builds up enough *maybes*. It would be stupid to program it that way since no matter how many inconclusive games you pile up it's not proof that someone intentionally fed. Inconclusive means inconclusive. > They either are intentionally feeding or they aren't. I have to disagree. I obviously don't have insider knowledge on the system, but the concept of a decision over many 'maybes' isn't really that stupid. Sure, someone is either intentionally feeding or not, but the system doesn't really know the difference. When the system makes a jugdement, it'll always have a certain amount of confidence. If it thinks someone is inting, but only with a 50% confidence, obviously it shouldn't punish someone. But if it has like 90% confidence for 5 games, then you can be pretty sure they were inting. Obviously, even if you find only a 50% confidence over a lot of games, that still doesn't mean someone should get punished. It's all about finding the right numbers, the right implementation.
> [{quoted}](name=RallerenP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0kXVh3s5,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-21T09:02:06.091+0000) > > I have to disagree. I obviously don't have insider knowledge on the system, but the concept of a decision over many 'maybes' isn't really that stupid. > > Sure, someone is either intentionally feeding or not, but the system doesn't really know the difference. > > When the system makes a jugdement, it'll always have a certain amount of confidence. If it thinks someone is inting, but only with a 50% confidence, obviously it shouldn't punish someone. But if it has like 90% confidence for 5 games, then you can be pretty sure they were inting. > > Obviously, even if you find only a 50% confidence over a lot of games, that still doesn't mean someone should get punished. It's all about finding the right numbers, the right implementation. "Pretty sure" over several games doesn't mean anything though. Like I said, at best it should mean a flag for a manual review. No more. Consider that a person that would unintentionally feed and trigger a "pretty sure" by the system is likely to trigger more than just one. This is a system that has to consider millions of players and millions of games. Getting even hundreds of players incorrectly banned for intentionally feeding each day is unacceptable and would happen with a system that has even less than 1% false positive rate. 1% chance of a false positive is far too high when the result of a false positive is someone getting banned just for playing poorly unintentionally. Besides, in another post I gave a link where someone was punished after a single game of intentional feeding. It was spotted then punished. It didn't wait until they intentionally fed several games.
: i think ill play a norm for once!
It's absurd that Riot didn't hand pick an entire enemy team of Iron's to fight and Plat teammates who make sure to feed you all the kills. You should ask for a refund.
: I guarantee it would take less than a day to fix it. In fact it would take seconds to revert to the old client if they wanted to. Considering the old client actually worked
> [{quoted}](name=Lunar ArcS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JHLf1Fcx,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-21T03:07:52.308+0000) > > I guarantee it would take less than a day to fix it. You can't make that guarantee. Neither you nor me have any idea what the code looks like so neither of us would know what the problem is, how to fix it, or how much time it would take to do both of those. > In fact it would take seconds to revert to the old client if they wanted to. Considering the old client actually worked The only thing that would happen if they reverted to the old client in seconds is they would literally be changing to something that didn't work. And no, I don't mean just having a bunch of bugs. It wouldn't work. There have been far too many additions to the game that the old client simply didn't handle. Even if all those things were implemented not only would all the current bugs likely just transfer over, it will still be a shitty client because it used Adobe Air. Adobe Air displayed things based on the users default internet browser. There were so many problems that were more or less unfixable because Riot had no control over the bugs that arose from Adobe Air or the myriad of browsers the user could be using.
Aza80 (NA)
: You're telling me with the technology nowadays that can pinpoint where someone is at all times of every day and tell what is happening in their life it is too hard to pinpoint something that is linked to an ISP that is on their game. Riot can't tell if someone just logs off? Someone that AFKs but is not showing as disconnected in the post play is away and not right there at that time? Get a clue before you post something that you have no idea about. They can tell if someone DC's and hops right back on with no issues or if someone DCs on purpose, has internet issues etc..... There are many ways to tell if there was an interruption in connectivity. > At no point should someone be punished for playing poorly unintentionally, so the system needs to be reasonably sure that the poor play was intentional before assigning an appropriate punishment. Ahh so you're telling me i can cut my internet and fake internet loss to dodge with no consequence? "Oh I'm sorry Riot my mom just passed away *wink* *wink*, "my mom just cut my internet because I failed a test". Come on get a grip, I have afk'd one time in 9 years, with a family of 4 and I took in my nephew as well AND WORK 12-16 HOURS A DAY. Don't play that bull shit with me. It is no different then toxic players. No justification at all in my eyes.
> [{quoted}](name=Aza80,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EfuQ7vYV,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T03:24:03.920+0000) > > You're telling me with the technology nowadays that can pinpoint where someone is at all times of every day and tell what is happening in their life it is too hard to pinpoint something that is linked to an ISP that is on their game. Riot can't tell if someone just logs off? Someone that AFKs but is not showing as disconnected in the post play is away and not right there at that time? Let me put it this way, without physically being there to watch it no server in the world would be able to tell the difference between someone unplugging their computer from the internet intentionally and someone who is having internet problems or a computer crash. No server in the world would be able to tell if someone is maliciously sitting there and doing nothing intentionally or they had to get up due to an emergency. >Get a clue before you post something that you have no idea about. Might want to think about how servers and clients communicate with each other before you talk about what Riot can actually see and judge. > Ahh so you're telling me i can cut my internet and fake internet loss to dodge with no consequence? "Oh I'm sorry Riot my mom just passed away *wink* *wink*, "my mom just cut my internet because I failed a test". Come on get a grip, I have afk'd one time in 9 years, with a family of 4 and I took in my nephew as well AND WORK 12-16 HOURS A DAY. Don't play that bull shit with me. It is no different then toxic players. No justification at all in my eyes. Not everyone in the world is going to have 99.9% uptime on their internet, power, and physical availability. Some people can have less than ideal internet. Some people have children. Some people have elderly parents that they are taking care of. Some people have jobs that require them to be on call. And so on. Not everyone is sitting in a perfect internet location with absolutely no real life concerns to pull them away from the game. And those people still deserve to play the game.
: For as much money as riot makes.. youd think they would want to fix their client.
How are you aware of how much time it would take to fix something?
Aza80 (NA)
: I report more people for afking and inting then racism and toxicity so how do you get to tell me what someone else is doing in my matches?
> [{quoted}](name=Aza80,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EfuQ7vYV,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2019-05-21T02:42:11.978+0000) > > I report more people for afking and inting then racism and toxicity so how do you get to tell me what someone else is doing in my matches? Okay. But you reporting a bunch doesn't change that it's a lot harder to detect someone **intentionally** throwing a game compared to poor chat behavior. Chat behavior is 100% in the players control 100% of the time. How well someone plays is determined by a myriad of things, not just someones intent. Even afk'ing can be the result of non-malicious actions (sometimes something urgent pops up and you have to leave). At no point should someone be punished for playing poorly **un**intentionally, so the system needs to be reasonably sure that the poor play was intentional before assigning an appropriate punishment.
Aza80 (NA)
: If you're going to click the down arrow how about you read it and give a reason, people like you are why this system is broke!
> [{quoted}](name=Aza80,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EfuQ7vYV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-21T02:05:49.894+0000) > > If you're going to click the down arrow how about you read it and give a reason, people like you are why this system is broke! Downvoted because you're responsible for your own behavior and people **do get banned for trolling** but detecting such things are not as consistent or frequent as detecting poor chat behavior. One person behaving poorly doesn't release you from the responsibility over your own behavior.
: Quick question Why is there a sliver 4 in my gold 2 games?
It's likely because they queued up with someone.
: Perma banned for scripting...
Not much people on the boards can do about this. Not only do we not have any power to revert the ban but people on the boards don't have the same information that Riot have when they make such decisions. Your best bet is to contact support. Also look through your match history and see if there are any games that you don't remember doing. If someone else logged onto you account without permission and used scripts you'd be able to argue against the ban. But that would only be possible if Riot agrees that someone else used your account (they'll have location information that will corroborate your claim).
: I didn't say that was how the system worked, I said thats how many games it takes for them to get banned. There was a reddit thread a few years ago about a guy that inted 10 (more or less) games in a row and still wasn't banned. Gatekeeper especially doesn't know what he is talking about, while inting is obviously not tolerated, as I stated above the main issue is that the community reports people who are inting, and riot has trouble identifying inters with the system they currently use. So for many intentional feeders it takes awhile before they get banned. One or two games isn't enough evidence 99% of the time. I mean don't take my word on it, have you ever reported an intentional feeder and then checked their op.gg to see if they're still playing? EDIT: with a simple google search, exhibit A; https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sNjGrJf0-riot-our-intentional-feed-system-detect-and-ban-feeders-usually-after-1-game Not the post I was talking about, but this was the first post in my search.
> [{quoted}](name=SòlKıng Rıven,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0kXVh3s5,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T04:04:40.128+0000) > > I didn't say that was how the system worked, I said thats how many games it takes for them to get banned. There was a reddit thread a few years ago about a guy that inted 10 (more or less) games in a row and still wasn't banned. Gatekeeper especially doesn't know what he is talking about, while inting is obviously not tolerated, as I stated above the main issue is that the community reports people who are inting, and riot has trouble identifying inters with the system they currently use. So for many intentional feeders it takes awhile before they get banned. One or two games isn't enough evidence 99% of the time. I mean don't take my word on it, have you ever reported an intentional feeder and then checked their op.gg to see if they're still playing? > > EDIT: with a simple google search, exhibit A; https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sNjGrJf0-riot-our-intentional-feed-system-detect-and-ban-feeders-usually-after-1-game > > Not the post I was talking about, but this was the first post in my search. An automatic system is not going to suddenly judge someone as guilty when it builds up enough \*maybes*. It would be stupid to program it that way since no matter how many inconclusive games you pile up it's not proof that someone intentionally fed. Inconclusive means inconclusive. They either are intentionally feeding or they aren't. Can the system miss an intentional feeder? Sure. [But sometimes it bans immediately after the one intentional feeding game because it successfully spotted it.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/F7YTsjE0-youve-banned-the-most-played-mundo-in-the-world-for-14-days-and-expect-him-to-play-different) [Other times it's likely a manual review because the automatic detection was inadequate.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bEor3Z4z-14-day-suspension-where-did-i-go-wrong-here) When an intentional feeder goes unpunished the system isn't spotting an intentional feeder then ignoring it. It's simply not spotting it. Punishments for intentional feeding is not exclusively handed out by an automatic system nor is it exclusively handed out manually. Both manual efforts and automatic detection hands out intentional feeding punishments when it detects a game as intentional feeding, not when it reaches some sort of threshold. The only threshold that would exist in the system is when a manual effort is finally made to investigate someone that's receiving a lot of reports (but not getting punished).
Humb1e (NA)
: SHould i have got perma banned for thi
If you've recently had a 14-day ban, sure. If not, nah. Muting someone doesn't make your chat invisible to them so stuff like this; Humb1e: 4 ganks bot Humb1e: ours feeds in his one gank LOL Humb1e: lol Humb1e: so bad Humb1e: cant even jungle Humb1e: jgdiff Humb1e: 2/5 Humb1e: lol Humb1e: this guy cant be serious Humb1e: do you see this jungler zil Humb1e: just 4 times this trash and next it Humb1e: always someone super boosted in this elo Will still get you in trouble.
: explanation
This isn't a zero sum punishment system. One person doing punishable things and getting punished doesn't mean that another person doing punishable things wont be punished. If you feel like your punishment was a mistake you can send a ticket to support, but one person getting away with something doesn't mean that it's allowed. It means that they were missed by the system. Btw the message that tells you that your report resulted in a punishment is known to be sporadic. So not receiving that message is not proof that they wont be held accountable for their behavior. Edit: I'm guessing that you've recently been on a 14-day ban, which would make your account on thin ice for a while. This also causes your next punishment to be a perma-ban. If you haven't had a 14-day ban recently definitely bring it up with support.
: Riot doesn't really ban intentional feeders until they get reported after like 5 games in a row, its a mix between riot being too lazy to make a system that properly punishes intentional feeders, and the community constantly reporting people for intentionally feeding just because they do bad.
> [{quoted}](name=SòlKıng Rıven,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0kXVh3s5,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T02:38:29.577+0000) > > Riot doesn't really ban intentional feeders until they get reported after like 5 games in a row, its a mix between riot being too lazy to make a system that properly punishes intentional feeders, and the community constantly reporting people for intentionally feeding just because they do bad. I doubt the system waits until someone is reported over 5 games before judging if someone was intentionally feeding. Multiple \*maybes* shouldn't add up to a punishment. A person is either trolling or they aren't. There are people who come to these boards complaining about their ban after one game of intentional feeding. At best, that sort of system (waiting until they are reported over several games) would just be for triggering a manual review in case the automatic system is incorrectly judging them as innocent.
: reported my inting teammate and he is still not banned
I'd recommend a support ticket to see if you can get some human eyes on the match.
rujitra (NA)
: This is a very good point - while a sentence can be flagged as "toxic" or "not toxic", it may be harder to determine if it's disparaging against a group of people or not - because to be quite fair, I doubt there's a lot of training data Riot can feed the system for sexist behavior.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=L2nRLqLL,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-05-19T19:58:00.393+0000) > > This is a very good point - while a sentence can be flagged as "toxic" or "not toxic", it may be harder to determine if it's disparaging against a group of people or not - because to be quite fair, I doubt there's a lot of training data Riot can feed the system for sexist behavior. I imagine they have enough training data to be \*mostly* accurate. But there are too many variations that would make something sexist be completely harmless. For example: "go make me a sandwich" compared to "I'm going to make me a sandwich" False positives would be rampant.
: The automated bots really need to get updated or something.
Sexist behavior is often over the context of an entire sentence while slurs are easy to detect single word triggers.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=00090001,timestamp=2019-05-19T19:10:57.166+0000) > > In school you quite literally say, "good game" while giving a handshake. It's people like you who are trying to twist it into something else because your pride so extremely swollen from a loss that **any** comment would aggravate you. > > Don't be a sore loser. as I said...repetitive battles like school teams, or the Celtics vs Lakers, where there is give and take repeatedly then sure "gg" makes sense. in one off's with randoms in OBVIOUSLY BAD games then saying "gg" is pointless and meaningless. you didn't answer my question...do you think the Bill's head coach was telling them "gg" at half time when they were getting stomped in the Super Bowl? too funny to imagine that even. I wonder if John Elway kept thinking "gg" all the times he was getting stomped tho admittedly even making it to the Super Bowl they all were at least 2nd place. basically your argument and everyone disagreeing with the OP is saying EVERY GAME, PERIOD, is a "GG" which actually IS FURTHER PROOF that "gg" is meaningless. it's common sense and basic logic. I mean IF every game, even the obviously BAD games, is a "gg" then there is no reason to type it at all right? because it would be "understood". smh
> [{quoted}](name=SILVERgh0st,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=000900010000,timestamp=2019-05-19T19:34:51.823+0000) > > as I said...repetitive battles like school teams, or the Celtics vs Lakers, where there is give and take repeatedly then sure "gg" makes sense. in one off's with randoms in OBVIOUSLY BAD games then saying "gg" is pointless and meaningless. you didn't answer my question...do you think the Bill's head coach was telling them "gg" at half time when they were getting stomped in the Super Bowl? too funny to imagine that even. I wonder if John Elway kept thinking "gg" all the times he was getting stomped tho admittedly even making it to the Super Bowl they all were at least 2nd place. The handshake is not given at half-time, so I'm not entirely sure why you're using that as a comparison. You assume you're playing the equivalent of professional sports. You're not. > basically your argument and everyone disagreeing with the OP is saying EVERY GAME, PERIOD, is a "GG" Nice strawman. I'm saying it's a polite acknowledgement of the enemy team's effort. If you're such a sore loser that even that gets on your nerves that's on you. You might want to mute the enemy team whenever you're losing since you already know that anything said by them, no matter how benign, is going to offend you. I'll say it again, don't be a sore loser.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2019-05-19T19:08:03.816+0000) > > HS means head shot. it means whatever you want your shorthand to mean. there is no head shot in this game. or type *handshake* if you really want to be "sportsman" like. it's not that difficult or long to type if you really meant it.
> [{quoted}](name=SILVERgh0st,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-19T19:27:20.425+0000) > > it means whatever you want your shorthand to mean. there is no head shot in this game. or type *handshake* if you really want to be "sportsman" like. it's not that difficult or long to type if you really meant it. You can claim that "kys" means kiss yourself, but you'd be intentionally ignorant of what the common meaning is. Same with HS. No one is going to assume it means "handshake" (what does that even mean? No one says "handshake"). They're just going to be confused and wonder why you're saying "head shot".
: > [{quoted}](name=rito are scambgs,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-19T05:47:17.798+0000) > > this perfectly sums up how I feel about this useless annoying term > > https://imgur.com/a/1Ko2nDr > > no it's not honorable to say it, it's just annoying it's no different then flaming bm'ing and taunting at least admit as much and not try to pretend it's good manners dude (or dudet), I totally agree and have since I began this game. just say nothing at all. (or as someone mentioned, if the team having the obviously bg say it then in response) saying gg basically means nothing anymore. it sure doesn't mean good game as it's original shorthand. it's said constantly even at the end of obviously terrible and bad games with trolls and bots and AFK's and ditchers. and the suggestion it is used as a "handshake" further shows it doesn't mean what it used to. a handshake (as done by pro's) is not the same thing as typing "gg". I guarantee when Jordan kicked the rocket's, jazz's, magic's, and anyone else's rear ends he wasn't telling them good game, he was just shaking hands to imply sportsmanship. something saying gg to an obvious bg doesn't do. however players will continue to try and twist it and say it's something else just to say it when they can't argue or twist that gg stood for "good game". they obviously ignore what "good"s definition is. now maybe Bird & Magic said it to each other being as they had lots of games that went both ways against each other. totally different. I betcha after Super Bowl 27, Aikman didn't run out on the field telling all the Buffalo players, hey GG dudes! that was an awesome 52-17 game! you guys did fantastic! woohoo! ha...hmmm wonder what the Buffalo coach said? during halftime? I know, I bet he said, don't worry guys, it's still a gg just keep playing and have fun! LOL (got me making myself laugh now at how ridiculous that sounds)
> [{quoted}](name=SILVERgh0st,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-05-19T18:24:14.409+0000) > > dude (or dudet), I totally agree and have since I began this game. just say nothing at all. (or as someone mentioned, if the team having the obviously bg say it then in response) > > saying gg basically means nothing anymore. it sure doesn't mean good game as it's original shorthand. it's said constantly even at the end of obviously terrible and bad games with trolls and bots and AFK's and ditchers. and the suggestion it is used as a "handshake" further shows it doesn't mean what it used to. a handshake (as done by pro's) is not the same thing as typing "gg". I guarantee when Jordan kicked the rocket's, jazz's, magic's, and anyone else's rear ends he wasn't telling them good game, he was just shaking hands to imply sportsmanship. something saying gg to an obvious bg doesn't do. > > however players will continue to try and twist it and say it's something else just to say it when they can't argue or twist that gg stood for "good game". they obviously ignore what "good"s definition is. > > now maybe Bird & Magic said it to each other being as they had lots of games that went both ways against each other. totally different. I betcha after Super Bowl 27, Aikman didn't run out on the field telling all the Buffalo players, hey GG dudes! that was an awesome 52-17 game! you guys did fantastic! woohoo! ha...hmmm wonder what the Buffalo coach said? during halftime? I know, I bet he said, don't worry guys, it's still a gg just keep playing and have fun! LOL (got me making myself laugh now at how ridiculous that sounds) In school you quite literally say, "good game" while giving a handshake. It's people like you who are trying to twist it into something else because your pride so extremely sore from a loss that **any** comment would aggravate you. Don't be a sore loser.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-19T06:30:37.507+0000) > > To me it's the equivalent of the handshake both teams gave that the end of the game during school sports competitions. then type HS not gg in an obvious #@%$ steam roll game
> [{quoted}](name=SILVERgh0st,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-05-19T18:06:50.444+0000) > > then type HS not gg in an obvious #@%$ steam roll game HS means head shot.
: what you also think is an other opinion just because it's general consensus doesn't make it right, i am just saying if you really cared about manners you'd stop mindlessly spamming gg after every game but you are free to whatever behavior your like and whatever way you choose to perceive it, i am just saying you shouldn't
> [{quoted}](name=rito are scambgs,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-19T07:03:44.260+0000) > > what you also think is an other opinion just because it's general consensus doesn't make it right, But you're using someone else's opinion like it's proof that your opinion is right. How does that make any sense? It's not proof of anything. >i am just saying if you really cared about manners you'd stop mindlessly spamming gg after every game but you are free to whatever behavior your like and whatever way you choose to perceive it, i am just saying you shouldn't And I'm saying that I'm not saying it with any malicious intent. If you're assuming that I'm saying "gg" with malicious intent or that everyone that says "gg" is doing so sarcastically you're just dead wrong. There's no room for opinion there. You're just wrong at that point. I'll continue to say "gg" when I win or lose. I'll continue to view the enemy saying "gg" as someone who's being polite unless I see behavior that implies otherwise. If you want opponents that say absolutely nothing there's an option to turn off to make that happen.
: saying gg in any case is still annoying it sounds unnecessarily smug if you are winnning read the screenshot again pls
> [{quoted}](name=rito are scambgs,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-19T06:58:10.609+0000) > > saying gg in any case is still annoying it sounds unnecessarily smug if you are winnning read the screenshot again pls Your screenshot shows one person having an opinion. What is this suppose to prove? Your perception of the attitude someone has when they say "gg", if that is all they said, is completely based on your own bias.
: no but if enemy were mean to me prior to saying gg i am just safely assuming they are saying it for wrong reasons just stop reading only the parts you like maybe
> [{quoted}](name=rito are scambgs,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-19T06:53:48.336+0000) > > no but if enemy were mean to me prior to saying gg i am just safely assuming they are saying it for wrong reasons just stop reading only the parts you like maybe Then the problem isn't "gg", it's the "mean to me prior to saying gg". Maybe you should consider what's actually making you upset? It's not the phrase "gg". It's their behavior as a whole. And If they are being mean to you **mute them**. Don't just sit there with all-chat on like some masochist.
: it's not polite omfg even the guy above admitted he did for wrong reasons stop this naivity bs
> [{quoted}](name=rito are scambgs,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-19T06:44:34.017+0000) > > it's not polite omfg even the guy above admitted he did for wrong reasons stop this naivity bs A polite message can be used sarcastically. That doesn't mean that the polite message is exclusively used in a sarcastic manner. **Anything** polite can be used sarcastically. That's how sarcasm works, it means you imply the opposite from what you're saying. Are you going to get offended at everything polite because it *could* be sarcastic?
: I would rather them not say anything unless it was really a close game that was hard to win saying gg is just dishonest and annoying
> [{quoted}](name=rito are scambgs,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-05-19T06:38:54.258+0000) > > I would rather them not say anything > unless it was really a close game that was hard to win saying gg is just dishonest and annoying You have the option to keep all chat muted if you don't want to even see polite messages (that you perceive as sarcastic) from them.
: no it's gg the intention and use differ if enemy is just mean they use gg sarcastically to taunt you
> [{quoted}](name=rito are scambgs,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-19T06:35:35.618+0000) > > no it's gg the intention and use differ if enemy is just mean they use gg sarcastically to taunt you That's like being upset at "Have a nice day" because it can be used sarcastically. If you assume that every use of "gg" by the winning team is sarcastic even when there is no indication from them that it was, that's completely on you. "gg" means "good game"
: it's not when you flame enemy team
> [{quoted}](name=rito are scambgs,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AHrnLrbg,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-19T06:31:39.363+0000) > > it's not when you flame enemy team Then you're talking about something other than "GG", it's the flame that's bad.
: people need to stop saying "GG" after winning
To me it's the equivalent of the handshake both teams gave that the end of the game during school sports competitions.
: Rules said to mention Teemo as often as possible.
0/10 Teemos Teemo only popped up three times despite all that non-Teemo text. Not nearly enough Teemos, Teemo would be ashamed of you.
: This player I reported in one game ended up on my team again
Reports have no effect on matchmaker. I recommend waiting a bit before immediately re-queuing, since if you immediately queue after the game you'll be in roughly the same queue time as those that do the same right after the game you were just in.
Hoosier1 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5I8oZrbg,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-18T21:29:38.495+0000) > > That's only if they start another surrender vote, and personally I feel like that one should be removed as well. > > You don't get to see what people vote and you shouldn't get to see who starts the vote. Well I do believe that its there for a reason. I know that many people wish to abuse the surrender especially at low elo where most players have no clue if the game is over or not and that is probably why it's there. The other one should be as well. So I guess we need to agree to disagree because quitters should be known for report purposes if people so choose to report the negative attitude. The option wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that reason.
> [{quoted}](name=Hoosier1,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5I8oZrbg,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-18T21:38:02.412+0000) > > Well I do believe that its there for a reason. I know that many people wish to abuse the surrender especially at low elo where most players have no clue if the game is over or not and that is probably why it's there. The other one should be as well. So I guess we need to agree to disagree because quitters should be known for report purposes if people so choose to report the negative attitude. The option wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that reason. How do you "abuse" the surrender button? There's a cooldown and other players don't even have to acknowledge it to vote no. Calling a vote to surrender is not against the rules in any way, shape, or form. If they actually give up when a surrender vote fails, that's against the rules. But using the surrender feature is not against the rules.
Splate (NA)
: My Chat Restriction <3
Insulting the other players is not allowed even if you feel like they were behaving worse. And claiming that they are intentionally feeding is insulting them especially since many people toss that claim around far too liberally when someone is playing poorly. Consider the two possible situations when you're accusing someone of trolling. Situation A: They were trolling. Congratulations, your accusation is accurate. Now what did you accusation actually do? All it did was confirm to the troll that their actions are getting under your skin, which is the point of trolling. It didn't help anything as your claim doesn't actually prevent them from doing anything. Just report them next time. Situation B: They were not trolling. You're now guilty of making a false accusation as well as not helping the game in any way. It's incredibly rude and aggravating to anyone who's not trying to play poorly to be accused of trolling. In both of those cases you've just made the situation worse by bringing the accusation into chat. If you believe someone is trolling, report them. Though a support ticket if you feel like it's necessary.
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