: > [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=i3EfAiqM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:47:21.183+0000) > > Find me an online game that doesn't ban players. > And you paid money for in game items which you got, not for ban protection. Giving people a free pass because they spent money on the game would actually be a lot less ethical than treating everyone equally. banning players is wrong. point blank period. it is beyond unethical to players that do choose to spend money on this game. if you spend money on this game and get banned it is the equivalent of burning your money in a fire. its gross that this company and apparently some people think this is ok. in what world do you justify banning the people who fund you? i dont care what was done or said completely banning an account ESPECIALLY an account that has spent money on the game is wrong. treat everyone equally by not having a permeant ban option. if you truly believe being able to take peoples money freely and also being able to ban them on whatever terms you want is justified then you are delusional. i genuinely hope people stop playing this game and the company goes under because its sick and should not be legal.
> [{quoted}](name=crybabykitten,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=i3EfAiqM,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:06:53.633+0000) > > banning players is wrong. point blank period. it is beyond unethical to players that do choose to spend money on this game. if you spend money on this game and get banned it is the equivalent of burning your money in a fire. its gross that this company and apparently some people think this is ok. in what world do you justify banning the people who fund you? i dont care what was done or said completely banning an account ESPECIALLY an account that has spent money on the game is wrong. treat everyone equally by not having a permeant ban option. if you truly believe being able to take peoples money freely and also being able to ban them on whatever terms you want is justified then you are delusional. i genuinely hope people stop playing this game and the company goes under because its sick and should not be legal. If you don't like the idea of a game company being able to ban an account you make through their services don't make an account with them.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qWlLKYAX,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:54:26.040+0000) > > Make as many threads as you want but you're an anonymous player posting a claim with nothing corroborating your story about something that's prime material for [/r/ThatHappened](https://www.reddit.com/r/thatHappened/). You just quoted me telling you to ask riot to confirm it...i mean its not that difficult. SAy hey riot is he telling the truth or he is bsing us???? They only need answer YES/NO.
> [{quoted}](name=Drugs and Liquor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qWlLKYAX,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:56:34.567+0000) > > You just quoted me telling you to ask riot to confirm it...i mean its not that difficult. Why? You haven't given me a reason to believe you. >SAy hey riot is he telling the truth or he is bsing us???? They only need answer YES/NO. I'm not going to bother Riot with a story that I already think is bs. You're the one with the story, not me. It's on you to prove that the story has proof.
: Lol you can downvote all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it happened nor does it change WHAT happened. I mean feel free ask a Rioter to confirm they should at least be able to attest to that without giving further details.
> [{quoted}](name=Drugs and Liquor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qWlLKYAX,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:52:05.374+0000) > > Lol you can downvote all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it happened nor does it change WHAT happened. I mean feel free ask a Rioter to confirm they should at least be able to attest to that without giving further details. Make as many threads as you want but you're an anonymous player posting a claim with nothing corroborating your story about something that's prime material for [/r/ThatHappened](https://www.reddit.com/r/thatHappened/).
Nithke (EUW)
: There's 90% chance that you're lying, but if not, give more details idk
> [{quoted}](name=Nithke,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ktkooepw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:44:20.805+0000) > > There's 90% chance that you're lying, but if not, give more details idk 90% is being pretty generous towards the OP.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jLXkERAo,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:37:53.745+0000) > > That's contradictory. If your claim that "it doesn't really matter" had any truth in it then it would be fine **everywhere**. Ummm, I definently didn't mean it in the legal sense, because the thread/OP didn't mention legality...
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jLXkERAo,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:44:14.138+0000) > > Ummm, I definently didn't mean it in the legal sense, because the post didn't mention legality... So the legality of something doesn't qualify as something that matters? Besides, the laws were introduced because it matters morally as well. So it matters both legally **and** morally.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jLXkERAo,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:22:41.282+0000) > > It does, actually. Encouraging suicide and self harm is illegal by law. No it isn't, it's only illegal in California. And even then you sure as hell aren't going to jail for a simple "kys"; that word is very common online
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jLXkERAo,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:32:55.983+0000) > > No it isn't, it's only illegal in California That's contradictory. If your claim that "it doesn't really matter" had any truth in it then it would be fine **everywhere**.
: i was afk for 8 mins carried game tho aand won and lost 20 lp
Looks like mid and jungle carried the game. Being gone for 8 min means that you were absent a little over 30% of the game. Your team still retaining relevance despite being down a member for such a long length of time is testimony to their contribution not yours. I would recommend you play the game on a wired connection to avoid shitty wifi.
: > [{quoted}](name=G Master Hung,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7AVoTm1k,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-15T15:24:38.157+0000) > > https://imgur.com/ha1LhT1 > > u right. So everybody that watches a certain sport or game means they play it as well??
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7AVoTm1k,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T15:29:17.628+0000) > > So everybody that watches a certain sport or game means they play it as well?? It's at least a indication of interest in the game.
: Official riot pov
[Code of Conduct part of the Terms](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#code-conduct) [Reporting a Player FAQs](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player) [Instant Feedback (IFS) FAQs](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-) Specifics are kept vague to prevent the issue of people still breaking the spirit of the rule without breaking the letter.
: what habit? Link me the games i intentionally fed.
> [{quoted}](name=12BuckleMyShoe,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FcYJWc1F,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-07-14T18:06:37.055+0000) > > what habit? Link me the games i intentionally fed. The habit of playing multiple times per day. I didn't say anything about intentionally feeding.
: Permanently banned for feeding in 1 single game
Looking at your match history, you've got a ~14 day gap mid December into early January after playing multiple times per day (and went right back to that habit after the break). Do you recall getting a punishment during that time?
: Why is it that 95% of Players Allow Themselves to be Trolled?
Some people don't dodge in the hopes that someone else will at the very last second (including the troll). Some suck it up and want to try despite the disadvantage. Some people are willing to eat the loss so that they can report the troll and try to make the community a little better. Any complaint about those reasons is irrelevant if you intend on dodging yourself though. Other people's decision to not dodge wont prevent you from dodging, so it doesn't really matter what other people will do if you intend on dodging under such circumstances. The only reason I could see people having a problem with others not dodging in the face of a troll is if they were the player threatening to troll to try and force a dodge and they're just upset that their bluff was called (because they don't want a loss either).
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> [{quoted}](name=ToxicIsBan,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5gE66U46,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-14T14:40:21.561+0000) > > [A lot of chat] Yeah. It seems like a fair punishment. Spamming, very rude behavior, and at the start of every single one of those games you either claim that you're afking or intentionally feeding. You earned that perma-ban.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lM96Fjk4,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-13T22:12:03.688+0000) > > If you want more control over your teammates then you're free to form a premade where everyone agrees to make you the shot-caller and follow your orders. > > But people don't have to follow your orders even if you have the best KDA. Team game. Carry is the shot caller, anyone who disagrees should be banned. Period. Go play normals with that attitude.
> [{quoted}](name=XenaPhobiaFTW,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lM96Fjk4,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-14T00:12:44.780+0000) > > Team game. Carry is the shot caller, anyone who disagrees should be banned. Period. Go play normals with that attitude. Good thing Riot calls the shots on what is bannable and not you.
: So your basically saying that the mute button and mute ping button are useless, then back to my original question, why is there a mute button?
> [{quoted}](name=T0xicISISRat,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ErWXwlgh,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-13T23:45:07.580+0000) > > So your basically saying that the mute button and mute ping button are useless, then back to my original question, why is there a mute button? To mitigate further effects of dealing with a jerk by turning off one avenue of interaction.
OzUzHaTaG (EUW)
: Why can you get permanetly banned for saying bad things in the chat? If riot doesnt like flaming why doesnt they chat ban the person. Typing bad things in the chat doesnt mean that that person is throwing the game and that they are runing everything in the game, if riot just chat banned that person instead of banning the whole acount people could still enjoy the game. If that person later starts running it down and feeding cuz they cant type things in the chat then ban them for that and not for typing bad things in the chat.
> [{quoted}](name=OzUzHaTaG,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ErWXwlgh,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-07-13T23:39:03.314+0000) > > Why can you get permanetly banned for saying bad things in the chat? If riot doesnt like flaming why doesnt they chat ban the person. Typing bad things in the chat doesnt mean that that person is throwing the game and that they are runing everything in the game, if riot just chat banned that person instead of banning the whole acount people could still enjoy the game. If that person later starts running it down and feeding cuz they cant type things in the chat then ban them for that and not for typing bad things in the chat. Previously Riot only applied stacking chat restrictions for poor chat behavior. Some people were running around with effectively an infinite chat restriction (hundreds to thousands of games). Riot discontinued this when they saw that those people with extremely large chat restrictions were just redirecting their poor behavior through other means, like griefing. Since griefing is harder to detect (and harder to mitigate by the players) all it was doing was making it harder to hold these people accountable for the poor behavior they were still exhibiting.
: If you are seeing that someone is starting to get mad or starting to say mean things then maybe mute earlier ? dont wait until you start crying to actually try to do something about it. also if you get offended by someone spam pinging you then just use the mute ping button. if the flamer on the other hand goes out of their way to start feeding in order to make their team mad then they should get banned but someone that just flames but keeps on playing the game shouldnt be banned.
> [{quoted}](name=T0xicISISRat,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ErWXwlgh,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-07-13T23:37:29.409+0000) > > If you are seeing that someone is starting to get mad or starting to say mean things then maybe mute earlier ? dont wait until you start crying to actually try to do something about it. I tend to put up with the asshole for the sake of the team, because even an asshole might say something relevant to the game in chat. If you find yourself getting angry maybe stop yourself from flaming? Don't wait until you get banned before you start crying about how you're held responsible for your behavior. > also if you get offended by someone spam pinging you then just use the mute ping button. That's even more detrimental to teamwork. For the sake of my team I'll put up with the jerk to try and pull a win. But that doesn't make the experience enjoyable. If they get completely out of hand with pings, like chat, I'll mute them. But they've already made the game unenjoyable at that point with their behavior alone. > if the flamer on the other hand goes out of their way to start feeding in order to make their team mad then they should get banned but someone that just flames but keeps on playing the game shouldnt be banned. Griefing is notoriously hard to detect. I would prefer they just ban the people for shitty chat behavior when they show that they're unwilling to control their behavior since it's been shown that such people resort to griefing when their chat has been kneecapped.
: What is the purpose of the mute button?
>What is the purpose of the mute button? To give players the capability to mute someone whom they don't want to hear from anymore despite the negative affects it has on their teamwork. It doesn't take back what was said previously, it's not capable of time travel. For the sake of the game integrity the player is still obligated to work with someone that has made it clear that they're being a jerk. And working with a jerk isn't exactly an enjoyable experience. You say that muting stops all negative interaction with the other player but that's rarely the case. I see angry people go to great lengths to harass someone *especially* when they think they've been muted or are being ignored. Spam pinging, griefing (ranging from minor to major), constantly asking people to report, and so on. Anything that they can think of that will upset the other player.
: I want to discuss how the Blitz bot decided i would get banned and possible a 2 week instead of perm
Not much to discuss if people don't know all of the chat logs that they gave you (and not just ones that you disagree with). Knowing what your previous punishment history would also help to explain current punishments since the punishment system works on a ladder system. If you've received a punishment semi-recently it makes the next punishment be the next tier.
: > [{quoted}](name=Timethief49,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lM96Fjk4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-13T20:54:50.888+0000) > > So from what you wrote in your post it should be more like "make it reportable if a player doesnt do what i tell them to do". If I'm the only player on my team with a positive KDA who has taken objectives then I am the default carry on my team and yes, in these situations, FOLLOW ME AND MY ORDERS TO VICTORY.
> [{quoted}](name=XenaPhobiaFTW,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lM96Fjk4,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-13T21:00:20.997+0000) > > If I'm the only player on my team with a positive KDA who has taken objectives then I am the default carry on my team and yes, in these situations, FOLLOW ME AND MY ORDERS TO VICTORY. If you want more control over your teammates then you're free to form a premade where everyone agrees to make you the shot-caller and follow your orders. But people don't have to follow your orders even if you have the best KDA.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: Either im imagining things or Riot just said that wintrading is okay xD
In the comments of the twitter post they confirmed that it was a typo.
: 650,000+ people have signed to storm Area 51
I want all the Army personnel to wear alien outfits for that day and use non-lethal weapons that they've made to look like something you'd see in Starwars.
Maslicka (EUW)
: Getting punished for the first time ever
I don't think a chat restriction prevents you from muting people.
Cecil 013 (EUW)
: still think its abit to much for one messed up game, but i will try to improve. ps not withholding anything this was all that i got from the notification what good would it do to witholding anything anyways.
> [{quoted}](name=Cecil 013,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QLzRNINx,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-13T14:00:53.816+0000) > > ps not withholding anything this was all that i got from the notification what good would it do to witholding anything anyways. Previously there have been players that have come to the board and posted chat logs edited by themselves in an attempt to gather up sympathy. Did it help them in the end? No. But some people do it for the sympathy alone and/or think that Riot would overturn a judgement based on popular vote without checking to see if they were lying.
: Rules that don't apply to everyone league of hypocrites "nuances" lol no this not an essay it's just a crappy system How TF am I supposed to know what annoys the royality that's strangers people are different I have to extremely censor myself all the time just in case I am matched with a snowflake to not get banned
> [{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WElyupGx,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-13T13:51:52.848+0000) > > Rules that don't apply to everyone league of hypocrites "nuances" lol no this not an essay it's just a crappy system The same rules apply to everyone. If you're not reported then it's assumed that you're not harassing, annoying, or griefing anyone. > How TF am I supposed to know what annoys the royality that's strangers people are different I have to extremely censor myself all the time just in case I am matched with a snowflake to not get banned If you're unable to discern what is acceptable social interaction with strangers feel free to do that. But that doesn't mean other people don't know how to interact with strangers.
Cecil 013 (EUW)
: Unfair chat restriction?
Personally I feel like this is a pretty light chat log. Seems strange that this was the only game provided to you for your first punishment. I would check with support provided you're not withholding any information.
TimTim222 (EUNE)
: I Got banned for a stupid reason - Unban me
People on the board can't get you unbanned. The most people on the board can do is give their opinion on your ban provided you post the chat logs that was given to you.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xTzpLgIb,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-07-13T01:16:52.252+0000) > > I think the big difference here is that it's still controlled by the player. > > A permachat restrict isn't something that a player can turn off at will, so the only outlet for their poor behavior became game related things if they weren't willing to control themselves. > > Someone that turned off their own chat via the options is just going to go right back to those options and turn it back on to insult someone if they don't have the self-control. Do you know if its gonna be a settings options like disabling all chat though? Because you can only (or at least used to) do that outside of game. Or was that the filter? I forget now, been so long since i messed with those options.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xTzpLgIb,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-07-13T01:21:42.898+0000) > > Do you know if its gonna be a settings options like disabling all chat though? Because you can only (or at least used to) do that outside of game. Or was that the filter? I forget now, been so long since i messed with those options. For the all-chat option, last time I looked at the options it was available in game through the "Interface" part. And I can't imagine them not including this new team-chat checkbox in the in-game options. Imagine forgetting that you've turned the option off until you actually wanted to coordinate with your team.
: I guess if theyre gonna allow players to mute ally chat and all chat permanently, they might as well do permachat restricts again. Fuck it, idc.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xTzpLgIb,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-07-12T23:48:48.934+0000) > > I guess if theyre gonna allow players to mute ally chat and all chat permanently, they might as well do permachat restricts again. Fuck it, idc. I think the big difference here is that it's still controlled by the player. A permachat restrict isn't something that a player can turn off at will, so the only outlet for their poor behavior became game related things if they weren't willing to control themselves. Someone that turned off their own chat via the options is just going to go right back to those options and turn it back on to insult someone if they don't have the self-control.
kmada (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=kmada,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ExyAnT8R,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T22:10:09.139+0000) > > Again not true, I have it from Legendary himself in a ticket that you are wrong and that ANY NEGATIVITY is considered disruptive.. so even telling someone the item path they are building is not optimal is bannable, because you are shaming them and distracting them from the game. > > The volunteers and the actual paid staff legit need to get on the same page when it comes to the rules.. because what you guys say here on the forums gets completely contradicted in support tickets.. so it's hard to figure out what the real rules are. Constructive feedback is not negativity. And saying that something is considered disruptive is not the same thing as being considered zero tolerance.
dAsKiLzZ (NA)
: Yeah i just agreed with you it was multiple games you dont need to repeat that? I dont get your point. We know that all his games were streamed and he always did the strat no matter who was which team. Making the targeting streaming statement a lie. Its not like riot is the only company that can look at all the replays and livestreams. Again what he is doing is not bannable Heres some links of people playing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxGnJX7xNKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEU-IgLbtgc
> [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=00000000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:49:39.351+0000) > > Yeah i just agreed with you it was multiple games you dont need to repeat that? I dont get your point. We know that all his games were streamed and he always did the strat no matter who was which team. Making the targeting streaming statement a lie. Its not like riot is the only company that can look at all the replays and livestreams. > > Again what he is doing is not bannable > > Heres some links of people playing it > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxGnJX7xNKY > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEU-IgLbtgc Riot doesn't have any reason to lie about the reasoning. They've previously reversed off-meta bans before such as in the Support Singed case or the Roaming Nunu Counter-Jungle support. The person who made that post on reddit regarding the Nubrac ban **[was the same person that posted this](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EtXQhs5J-weore-updating-our-policy-so-unusual-play-styles-dont-get-14-day-bans)**. So yeah, I trust them more than I trust you. I've seen how Nubrac acts in some of his videos and it doesn't strike me as surprising that he would intentionally try to aggravate people. Links to people playing the strat proves nothing since that was not what he was banned for.
dAsKiLzZ (NA)
: Yeah "games" of him playing the roaming teemo support strat. Which is totally with riots rules of not griefing and not trolling. Again, we know he was only banned when NB3 complained. he wouldve gotten banned prior to that already since he streams all his games and was never banned because it wasn't against the rules.
> [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:43:24.412+0000) > > Yeah "games" of him playing the roaming teemo support strat. Which is totally with riots rules of not griefing and not trolling. Again, we know he was only banned when NB3 complained. he wouldve gotten banned prior to that already since he streams all his games and was never banned because it wasn't against the rules. Being the last straw before a punishment doesn't make the last straw the only contributing factor. If you believe Riot is lying that's pretty much the end of the discussion. I believe them over you if only for the simple fact that they have access to far more information relevant to the case compared to you.
dAsKiLzZ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:26:55.211+0000) > > Nubrac wasn't banned for one games Can you point out the multiple games he was banned for and why?
> [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:35:57.172+0000) > > Can you point out the multiple games he was banned for and why? Here's my reply to you in another thread. > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00020001000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:23:44.174+0000) > > I can give you a link to the statement by Riot. > However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer. If you want to play off meta, we think that's great! If you want to play off meta only to spite other players and reap the negative reactions and attention from their viewers while they are streaming then we don’t consider that a good faith use of off meta play.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/c0m449/nightblue3_gets_his_teammate_banned_for_playing/er61hxj/) > > I'm not going to spend time trying to dig up information when Riot already has access to far more data than me or you and has made a judgement based on the information **they** have. All that's left is either believing that Riot is lying with this statement or not. And I certainly believe them more than I believe you. If their data is accurate, > > *"However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer"* > > Then I accept their justification behind the punishment. In that statement it says **games**. With an 's'. He was banned for a pattern of behavior. You're free to claim Riot is lying but that's the official stance of the justification regardless of what you believe.
: perm ban unban
If you want the same opportunity as Tyler1 you can! Should you find yourself with an ID ban contact Riot after a year and they will consider lifting the ID ban. You wont get any of your banned accounts back but at least Riot wont be banning you on sight anymore. Same opportunity that Tyler1 had and took advantage of.
: Ah so people who play solo have to suck it up with all the sensitive babies who spam report and take away accounts got it
> [{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WElyupGx,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:07:57.904+0000) > > Ah so people who play solo have to suck it up with all the sensitive babies who spam report and take away accounts got it Just like in real life there are different acceptable social standards around strangers than when around friends. With friends everyone (should) know what each person is fine with and that each person has good intentions when making jibes at each other. This is not the case with strangers.
dAsKiLzZ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:48:44.327+0000) > > Nubrac did not just take CS/XP. Nubrac intentionally, without coordinating with his team, refused to play his assigned role of support instead playing some mix between jungle and multiple lane carry roles. > > You will not get banned simply for farming as a support, assuming you are playing as a support. If you are intentionally attempting to let your lane partner die just so you can steal the kills, that may be something that would factor into a decision. Similarly, if you are attempting to tank to let your partner escape, if you are building items that have utility (ex: cc, slows, heals, armor shred, etc) then that would be a positive. > > Griefing/trolling decisions in cases that are not blatantly obvious (ex: someone running it down one lane all game) are not based on one or two behaviors - the players’ behavior as a whole, through out the entire game (and many times multiple games) is evaluated and a determination is made as to whether the player is acting maliciously or not. if i recall the game nubrac was banned for, he never gave up and the other players on his team went afk. It seems as if Nubrac was playing support and supporting his mid lane if im not wrong. There is a difference between that and someone that says GG then goes afk in a side lane and lets enemy team end for free without defending objs
> [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:55:11.838+0000) > > if i recall the game nubrac was banned for, he never gave up and the other players on his team went afk. It seems as if Nubrac was playing support and supporting his mid lane if im not wrong. > > There is a difference between that and someone that says GG then goes afk in a side lane and lets enemy team end for free without defending objs Nubrac wasn't banned for one game.
dAsKiLzZ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2019-07-12T14:41:20.440+0000) > > In the Nubrac situation there was a Rioter that stated that they had been investigating him previously and finally decided on a ban because Riot believed he would deliberately attempt this tactic, knowing that it would greatly annoy and disrupt both mid and adc, when he knew there was a streamer in their game. > > Off meta is fine. Off meta with the purpose of aggravating people is not. Just as it's fine to feed but not fine to feed with the intention of aggravating your own team. Nubrac never did it to annoy teammates on purpose. Please show me a clip of where he says that
> [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=0002000100010000,timestamp=2019-07-12T15:10:46.561+0000) > > Nubrac never did it to annoy teammates on purpose. Please show me a clip of where he says that I can give you a link to the statement by Riot. >[This player in particular popped up on our radar a few weeks ago and we decided to not take action at that time because playing Teemo in this method is not against our rules. However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer. If you want to play off meta, we think that's great! If you want to play off meta only to spite other players and reap the negative reactions and attention from their viewers while they are streaming then we don’t consider that a good faith use of off meta play.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/c0m449/nightblue3_gets_his_teammate_banned_for_playing/er61hxj/) I'm not going to spend time trying to dig up information when Riot already has access to far more data than me or you and has made a judgement based on the information **they** have. All that's left is either believing that Riot is lying with this statement or not. And I certainly believe them more than I believe you. If their data is accurate, *"However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer"* Then I accept their justification behind the punishment.
dAsKiLzZ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-11T21:57:42.165+0000) > > Yes they do. > > There was a high profile case of a streamer getting banned for trolling his teammates not a month ago. > > The issue is is that it's significantly harder to tell when people are *actually* intentionally feeding or trolling (aside from super obvious cases) or if they are simply having a bad game or actually unskilled. Riot has to err on the side of caution to not punish people that are innocent. > > When a case of trolling or feeding is verified to be accurate, then it is an instant 14 day ban, as opposed to chat toxicity, which has two chat restrictions first before any bans. I assume you are referencing to the Nubrac situation? Where he wasnt trolling and he was trying to win? He got banned for no reason, he was playing to win and only got banned cause there was a streamer who complained. I get people in my games that give up and intentionally throw saying im done, and they never get banned. I even have clips i submit to Riot. No 14 day bans
> [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-07-12T14:26:03.339+0000) > > I assume you are referencing to the Nubrac situation? Where he wasnt trolling and he was trying to win? He got banned for no reason, he was playing to win and only got banned cause there was a streamer who complained. In the Nubrac situation there was a Rioter that stated that they had been investigating him previously and finally decided on a ban because Riot believed he would deliberately attempt this tactic, knowing that it would greatly annoy and disrupt both mid and adc, when he knew there was a streamer in their game. Off meta is fine. Off meta with the purpose of aggravating people is not. Just as it's fine to feed but not fine to feed with the intention of aggravating your own team.
kmada (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=kmada,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00010001000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000005,timestamp=2019-07-12T00:16:35.062+0000) > > Hey we agree on something lol, this reply system has completely f'd up our replies. > > Should we start a new comment chain to continue this? LOL Nah, I'm happy with your comment replying to the appropriate person.
kmada (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=kmada,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00010001000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-12T00:00:36.807+0000) > > Thank you for proving my point. > > So now on the new account, they have to spend money to buy the champs they like.. maybe buy that sweet EXP boost so they can level faster. When they lose all their previously purchased content and now know they can lose any progress or purchased unlockable you argue that they'll be **MORE** likely to to buy things? No. That sort of logic would get laughed out of any meeting. It's a free game that doesn't require any purchase. The only person that's responsible for making purchases on a game that they've been banned in is that person making the purchase. The only thing a customer has to do to foil this dastardly plan is to not purchase anything from a company that already permanently banned one of their accounts. Then Riot would most certainly have lost any potential money from this person because they are not going to want to support a company that already banned them. There are plenty of competitors to go to that offer the same gameplay style. > You only strengthened my argument.... Only if you consider that your argument wasn't laughably ridiculous to begin with.
kmada (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=kmada,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=0001000100000000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-11T23:26:13.637+0000) > > So if you can't beat em...?????? > > Wanna see how quickly I can fix the rules? Wanna see how useless that rule is considering ID bans are not reasonably feasible for normal users? > Wow.. it's almost like the wording is deliberately vague so that the option to create and play on new accounts is still available and doesn't effect your overall ban at all. Wow.. It's almost like the account is **still banned**. Even if they were to create another account they don't get back all the shit they lost on the old one. > It's also weird that there is a difference between PERM ban and ID ban.. > > They specifically state > > So perm bans are just account closures technically, a way of saying you were so toxic you now have to start over if you want to continue to play. > > ID Bans the ban for saying we don't want you to come back (but only for a year.. and only if you're not a popular streamer) I want you to think about who has been ID banned. It's not normal users, it's only people that Riot would be able to enforce the ban even slightly.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=00000003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-11T11:50:20.725+0000) > > Why are you treating a hypothetical action that someone else did as something that I am defending just because I presented it as a possibility? Because you assume I must be speaking to someone else as opposed to telling me that I was wrong or I made a mistake. You don't want to face the reality that Riot's system doesn't work.
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=000000030000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-11T21:00:19.095+0000) > > Because you assume I must be speaking to someone else as opposed to telling me that I was wrong or I made a mistake. It was a snide remark because I don't appreciate words being shoved in my mouth. >You don't want to face the reality that Riot's system doesn't work. I hear if you make a claim it must automatically be true! Not in this reality, but I'm sure there's a reality where that's the case. I'm done replying to you.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=000000030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-11T02:32:39.602+0000) > > Ah. I see the problem here. You seem to be reading someone else's posts given I didn't say that. > > I hope you find the person you meant to send that reply to. Nope that was to you, and I see you don't have a reply because you can't defend someone at Riot thinking that's not inting.
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=0000000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-11T03:12:39.946+0000) > > Nope that was to you, and I see you don't have a reply because you can't defend someone at Riot thinking that's not inting. Why are you treating a hypothetical action that someone else did as something that I am defending just because I presented it as a possibility? I have no idea what your game looks like, what you sent support, or what support did with with the ticket. But I am telling you possibilities that would result in this person not being banned which includes support disagreeing with your claim that the person was intentional feeding (assuming that you sent a ticket about them). I made no statement of if I thought the disagreement was correct or incorrect because, as I said, **I have no idea what your game looks like, what you sent support, or what support did with with the ticket.**
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=0000000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T23:25:52.822+0000) > > A manual review is not a guarantee that they'll come to same decision as you. The person reviewing could have determined that it wasn't enough evidence and decided to ere on the side of caution. So the guy from months ago who was running down top, then mid, then bot, might just be having a bad game? Wow, explains a lot of what's been going on lately. Riot simply hires people who have no idea what anything in the game is.
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=00000003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-11T00:06:58.495+0000) > > So the guy from months ago who was running down top, then mid, then bot, might just be having a bad game? Ah. I see the problem here. You seem to be reading someone else's posts given I didn't say that. I hope you find the person you meant to send that reply to.
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=00000003000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T19:36:42.637+0000) > > Because the automatic system wasn't convinced and a manual review wasn't done yet. So you're telling me that the manual review still hasn't banned the guy I played with months ago? Interesting...why did we remove Tribunal again? > If you want a better chance for your situation to be manually reviewed, send a support ticket. Tried, didn't get banned either. Just told he'll be looked at but they can't tell me what happens uwu
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=000000030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T22:29:48.995+0000) > > So you're telling me that the manual review still hasn't banned the guy I played with months ago? Interesting...why did we remove Tribunal again? > > Tried, didn't get banned either. Just told he'll be looked at but they can't tell me what happens uwu A manual review is not a guarantee that they'll come to same decision as you. The person reviewing could have determined that it wasn't enough evidence and decided to ere on the side of caution.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2019-07-10T16:19:55.186+0000) > > That one would fall into the 'obvious' category. So why isn't the guy who did that in my game banned?
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=0000000300000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T18:49:54.514+0000) > > So why isn't the guy who did that in my game banned? Because the automatic system wasn't convinced and a manual review wasn't done yet. A human can see a really bad score and, "3 more deaths and I'll hit a record" and punch the punish button. But that needs a human to look at it. As stated previously it's unrealistic to expect a human to manually review every single report. And no, the player making a report cannot be trusted at face value. The automatic system sees a bad score and words. I doubt very much that it's sophisticated enough to understand what, "3 more deaths and I'll hit a record" implies in your context. It's a computer, not a human. So if that bad score and gameplay pattern isn't enough for the system to be convinced it was intentional then it goes with the safe decision. It's not like the automatic system only turns on for cases that **you** believe are obvious intentional feeding. It looks through any game where someone got **reported** for intentional feeding. And there are a lot of really shitty games out there where someone plays really bad unintentionally but their teammates believe it's intentional anyway. The system must be tuned in a way to let those unintentional feeders remain unpunished before anything else. If you want a better chance for your situation to be manually reviewed, send a support ticket.
: Riot needs to grow a pair
>Lets talk about this company for a minute. Let's talk about that wall of un-formatted text for a minute. At a quick skim it seems like your entire post can be summed up to, >*I don't like the rules. People should stop being so sensitive. Something something "freedom of speech" and "communist community".* If you don't like the rules of the game then don't play. It's as simple as that. But if you choose to play then you also acknowledge that you can be held accountable for your own behavior. Riot is not the government so "freedom of speech" only means that the government isn't going to come knocking on your door for things that you say (within reason). Riot is completely within their rights to toss you out for your behavior.
: Sick of bans due to retaliation and the extreme punishment provided
If you've been banned so many times that you don't care to count anymore you should know what sort of behavior to avoid in chat. If you were truly interested in muting yourself there are options a simple google search away. One comes to mind is a program that you can set up to interrupt your Enter key presses so that it does nothing. Another one involves moving the chat off the screen, or shrinking it to the point that you can't see it. Freedom of speech only applies to what the Government can do to you for what you say. Private businesses can and always have been able limit or stop providing their services to you for your behavior. You're responsible for your own behavior.
21151204 (NA)
: FIx the game
It's called autofill. Sometimes you'll be assigned a role other than the two that you've picked if it's been a while since you successfully filled and there is a team that is missing a particular role.
: HEAR US RIOT
>if this post gets 100+ likes, riot has to bring back nexus blitz Not really, no. All it means is 100+ accounts clicked the upvote button. Would it be nice if they brought back nexus blitz? Sure. But getting a small amount of likes on a post isn't going to force them to do it.
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