: how is an item that is MANDATORY to purchase in order to CONTEST ITSELF in any way shape or form more healthy? seriously, it's 150% gold efficient at level 6 and escalates to 190% at level 18 while providing a ton of stats... meanwhile, zzrot would involve watching your opponents, responding to their actions, sacrificing a portion of your own build's efficiency to build it (seriously, its stats were pretty terrible and have no synergy with any build other than tanks), provides vision...and there's probably more but wait "slapping each other with super-stat-sticks" is totally interactive, right?
what you just described is the item is overpowered and not uninteractive. The concept is supposed to have the item be weak against multiple opponents, which makes it interactive. You also didn't address the counter-argument that Zz'rot doesn't require you to be the lane you use it in. You're basically proving my point.
Naalith (NA)
: Riot's justifications for several preseason changes don't make any sense
Comparing Zz'rot and Sanguine is unfair, because Sanguine is miles ahead in interactivity compared to Zz'rot. Just because Sanguine is overpowered does not mean it is uninteractive in design. Zz'rot doesn't require you to be in a lane to push; Sanguine does.
: What happened to support items?
they got nerfed because supports were too good for too long.
Bultz (NA)
: It's time Riot had a hard look at player mods and removed them
I find this post asinine because there are zero screens for proof, so I have a negative inclination to believe you.
: How is ChickenWrap even still a MOD/Specialize?
This post gives no context, and I would remove it if I was a mod for trying to trash a person without any proof of it. Of course, if mods removed this thread it would look biased.
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HZRzwyFW,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-11-30T16:26:13.017+0000) > > This post is very obvious targetted harassment and ad hominem. Waiting for when @Moderator s will remove it. he is streamer, public job, what harasment the fuck are you talking about
> [{quoted}](name=WeAreBornFree,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HZRzwyFW,comment-id=000b0001,timestamp=2019-11-30T17:02:40.094+0000) > > he is streamer, public job, what harasment the fuck are you talking about . > The Bad Stuff > > Gameplay & Rank Shaming > > No belittling or shaming a player for their champion pool, rank, playstyle, or match history. The rule does not have an exception clause.
Infernape (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HZRzwyFW,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-11-30T16:26:13.017+0000) > > This post is very obvious targetted harassment and ad hominem. Waiting for when @Moderator s will remove it. Why would they? The rule applies to other players not public figures.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HZRzwyFW,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-11-30T16:44:59.893+0000) > > Why would they? The rule applies to other players not public figures. . > The Bad Stuff > > Gameplay & Rank Shaming > > No belittling or shaming a player for their champion pool, rank, playstyle, or match history. The rule does not have an exception clause.
AdamrCc (EUW)
: This game has powerspiked to the point Jax isn't even broken anymore.
Jax hasn't even been broken since like.... season..... 6? and that was barely.
GFREEMEN (NA)
: Everyone know she was going to be OP. Basically every thing Riot does now is broken. Its to sell her and skins. Take note the new guy and the Diana changes. Both are going to be broken AF and Riot could care less.
Cõmega (NA)
: Mods? Are you ok?
posts like these make me laugh because this is mods actually doing their job well and people just getting mad at it which also sucks because I'd rather the posts against the mods be against things they've actually done that are stupid, like removing posts that are literally along the lines of "Plat+ players are better than Silver players".
: hashinshin: mages are most broken class and require no skill to play
This post is very obvious targetted harassment and ad hominem. Waiting for when @Moderator s will remove it.
: Senna's DMG is far easier to apply thanks to her range. The stats don't lie.
Stats "lie" when you abuse statistics. If a champion is overpowered, of course they're going to have a higher winrate than other champions and therefore be dealing more damage than other champions. Your analysis is surface-level statistic abuse.
: no, its 600g and it counters 50 to 100% of champions. Stop watch of course.
makkii (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=afqItML8,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-27T19:12:11.865+0000) > > But you can't go back to her being countered by Pink Wards either. Akali is way too safe with that shroud but without it she's garbage. What's the solution? shrouds only an issue because of the rest of her kit being cancer. Imo lower the base damage on q so that she actually has to melee you for damage, get rid of the second activation on E and remove the move speed off shroud and she will be fine.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: damage creep while tanks and juggernauts have like 52-53% win rate now that conqueror is gone rammus ornn garen mundo I'm so done
and like, ADC items kinda suck and support creep is finally being address all we need to hit is mage items and the few outliers from the preseason
: The problem is that the stat sticks the game offers come with powerful actives/passives, while being for the most part, gold efficient. There's nothing wrong with having stat sticks, but in this game, you don't choose. I'm sure you remember OG Zhonya's.
You don't even need to remember OG Zhonyas. Zhonyas is very very strong as is.
: Basically. This is the reason Vlad's played as an pseudo-assassin instead of an AP bruiser the majority of the time. What does he have over Aatrox? Aatrox has more mobility, more base damage, more utility, more consistent healing in a fight, even after all of his nerfs...All Vlad can really do is burst harder...So he plays to that goal, especially since his W enables that playpattern. If items enabled champions more instead of making them a bigger stat-stick, Vlad would be forced to play more like an AP bruiser because he wouldn't be able to 1 shot the back line...but he'd more reliably be able to get there or follow up on his team's actions. The moment he's unable to feasibly 1 shot the back line, he's forced to build tankier items so he can survive to a 2nd rotation outside of a wombo-comp. Its easy to see how better itemization would stop enabling toxic play patterns and allow more champions to play in the way they were intended by design. __________ Another example is Malphite. If he wasn't forced to use his ult to engage, think of how much more dynamic his playstyle would be in teamfights. As a tank, of course. Part of the reason he ended up played as AP is because his animations were improved. When building tank, you'd do the exact same thing...die in the exact same way...just doing less damage and having lower overall impact.
vlad has more consistent healing (vlad isn't melee) and more survivability than aatrox.
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WyTk6t0g,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-10-31T23:41:32.154+0000) > > What you admitted to was griefing in lobby. it's not really griefing seeing as how I always ban zed every game anyways whether someone has selected zed or not, I'm merely using their own anger to my advantage
> [{quoted}](name=hhaavviikk,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WyTk6t0g,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-11-01T07:10:17.377+0000) > > it's not really griefing seeing as how I always ban zed every game anyways whether someone has selected zed or not, I'm merely using their own anger to my advantage that's still griefing if you ban a teammates' preferred pick
: If You Want To Ban 2 Champions In Urf Declare A Champion You Hate Then Ban Zed
> Works 99% of the time, I declare riven, I then ban Zed and out of spite the zed player then bans riven so now I got 2 bans for the price of 1! works 99% of the time What you admitted to was griefing in lobby.
iiGazeii (NA)
: Lethality is getting reworked. The devs want assassins to have a sharper mid-game power spike, taking power from Serrated Dirk and adding it into completing two lethality items. Assassins will have a worse early game, but a terrifying mid-game where their items are stronger then before.
except lethality is reduced on their items also assassins already have shitty early games because mages have a much better intermediate item: Lost Chapter
Kazekiba (NA)
: Kai'sa is getting demolished next patch, EoN is getting fixed and turned into a good item. Why is the Lethality hydra being deleted though I have no fucking clue. otherwise assassins are getting gigabuffed
Rioter Comments
: Actually, 2-item lethality is buffed because of the Dual Wield Passive, and 2-item energized is the same thing because they now stack. Single-item powerspikes are now less common though.
This is wrong. Lethality items are nerfed completely until 4+ items, in which case assassins have fallen off. Meanwhile mages continue to dominate mid and top without nerfs to them.
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLi3k5En,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T18:57:40.757+0000) > > but if Hec was out of the cloud, he would be visible still. He'd be visible as a ghoul, so you'd have no idea if he was hec or one of the other enemy champs, and before you can get close enough to see him you're well within range of his ulti.
you would still see he's moving fast and realize "I should get the fuck out"
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0BAHpZNN,comment-id=0000000000010002,timestamp=2019-10-30T18:54:46.360+0000) > > Skirmishers are not ADCs. Yi, trynd, and yas are all ADCs, by definition. ADC does not mean, nor include, ranged in its definition.
GankLord (NA)
: I'm Banning Senna
"new champion op" what an original post. why is this thread not in Rant?
: Theres a reason why people criticize it a ton, and you dont have to look far: Aatrox. 3 times this year has he been put in a dumpster because of his kit.
Aatrox was put in the dumbster because of bad balance, not his kit.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLi3k5En,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-30T08:36:50.031+0000) > It’s really not the same as other camos, so this argument is super dumb. You're missing the main point of the argument; there are a lot of champs in the game that shouldn't have **ANY** form of stealth due to the nature of their kits. {{champion:120}} will e then ult in before you can figure out who he is, {{champion:238}} will w ult your carry before you can figure out who he is, {{champion:79}} will toss out his ult from the mist itself, {{champion:32}} will bandage then ult before you can id him, the list goes on and on and on.
but if Hec was out of the cloud, he would be visible still.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Doge2020,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0BAHpZNN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-29T20:07:15.326+0000) > > Her auto attacks are definitely ranged, the big ass cannon gives it away immediately. If you need more convincing, her main role will be ADC and all of the ADC’s are ranged (Yasuo doesn’t count, he is just a mid laner that is played bot a few times). Yas, Trynd, and Yi are all ADCs. ADC =/= Marksman. An ADC is merely anyone who builds primarily AD with a strong hyper steroid in their kit augmenting their basic attack DPS. Jax also fits this, but is hybrid.
Skirmishers are not ADCs.
: i recognize your username and tbh you're usually the most downvoted person on everythread, i wouldn't be surprised if most communities have told u to do so, not that it makes it right but just providing context, also usually you are trying to provoke a response not "just disagreeing
Well, usually intelligent board users are downvoted a lot. This law does not work both ways, though.
Eedat (NA)
: Last /r/shacomains thread I got told to kill myself twice, insulted repetitively, insulted for being on NA (on the NA boards for some reason), and insulted for disagreeing
Not sure how a single instance of harassment would prove "[All Shaco mains] are notorious for brigading communities and think upvoting it to a 70 by fabricating it would give them a say."
Yenn (NA)
: Shaco's win rate is continuing to climb after the nerfs. Please stop overbuffing champions.
https://www.op.gg/champion/shaco/statistics/jungle looks fine to me.
: Riot should have never allowed "Shaco mains" out of all people to give them ideas. They are notorious for brigading communities and think upvoting it to a 70 by fabricating it would give them a say. This is not the second time they done this, its like the third or fourth.
: > The Naming & Shaming rule doesn't actually require you to name a specific person That sounds like a sentence straight out of 1984. There is a reason it's called NAME and shame. Because you have to NAME someone or something to actually shame it.
Good thing Issac Asimov thinks 1984 is horseshit. Implying someone's name is just the same as saying it, without saying it. People will catch on and understand what you mean.
: Victorious Aatrox looks like GARBAGE
idk I think it's better justicar aatrox
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQAEEnFx,comment-id=00060000000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-16T20:11:15.651+0000) > > top has no legit complaints??????? > > DO YOU SEE WORLDS RIGHT NOW? I'm talking in regards to how strong the role is. Not how FUN the role is. Top lane is very strong, if it's fun is debatable. But i don't think anyone that isn't heavily biased in favor or the role can see it as week. Yeah i see top and mid hard stomping almost all the games i've watch. Only exception being Yuumi games /puke
Top is """strong""" because stupid champions like Vlad and Kennen get to ignore fighting real lanes up there.
: > [{quoted}](name=Moon Mom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQAEEnFx,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-10-16T15:58:12.314+0000) > > Top the best role???????? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL Mid is the best role but top is massively op also. I know something something top is jg difference something something klepto kennen something something bruisers not blind pickable something something. Top had the same complaints for like 2 years and none of the them are legitimate. 2 years ago it was wow JG being level 3 first is SO OP. Now it's somehow top being 2-4 levels above JG for 95% of game means "jungle is still op" Like if you wanna say Top lane isn't fun because of ranged lane bullies maybe i can listen too that. But TOP without a doubt is really fucking op compared to Bot lane and JG.
top has no legit complaints??????? DO YOU SEE WORLDS RIGHT NOW?
: > [{quoted}](name=BigFBear,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQAEEnFx,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-10-16T11:55:38.044+0000) > > "We’re increasing base minion XP slightly so solo laners level a bit faster, and we’re reducing the amount of bonus XP generated when allies share XP so bot lane levels a bit more slowly. We're also slightly decreasing jungle XP." > > http://www.surrenderat20.net/2019/10/riot-pls-10th-anniversary-edition-senna.html > > That mean the gap between Jungler lvl and solo lane lvl will be even bigger? lmao > > R.I.P. solo lane ganks. > Hello botlane camping (even more) This whole preseason in context literally reads "Well Conquerer was breaking the game but we didn't want toplaners to quit... so have a bunch of changes that will make your role important this season." Like the game is still going to revolve around mid as the backbone of the team and they benefit from this change with no penalty. But given we're in a meta where adcs are optional at pro level and the games are decided by fighting, we're basically going from a solo lane meta into another solo lane meta. Except you might actually be allowed to play tanks top this time.
conqueror broke the game so much no one played bruisers or tanks at worlds because of ranged champions and the exception of fiora weird how that happens
8Belthazor8 (EUNE)
: I'd trade a Garen nerf for a Jax nerf anytime
why are you complaining about a very modest pickrate, 50% winrate champion? https://www.op.gg/champion/jax/statistics/top
: I love how Meta and balance changes is forcing us to forgot about undercover over powered champions
kayle sucks though onhit. She's building AP, which means she isn't really right clicking you.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Kaisa should not be allowed to build 3 defensive items and still deal hypercarry level damage.
maybe its time to admit Zhonyas is OP and yeah Kai'sa could use some nerfs too
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9aQpcEVx,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2019-09-12T00:00:18.233+0000) > > Uh, we did? Do you have any sources to back that up? Certainly, you're at least talking about yourself, so where's your source? We don't need facts to say that McDonald's sells hamburgers but sure. 2018 March LCK playoffs So yes, we knew about it after mere 2 weeks after her release. https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedCleanDragonfruitDancingBaby
That's not a source. I want you to prove that people around her release we're saying what you said right now.
: Kaisa is not an ADC, Pyke is not a support, and Jax is not a fighter
Assassin is the board's favorite buzzword and dog whistle.
: We knew how Kai'sa would turn out.
> "We knew" Uh, we did? Do you have any sources to back that up? Certainly, you're at least talking about yourself, so where's your source?
KazKaz (OCE)
: The Kai'sa nerf is a joke
It's actually a pretty decent nerf, but I agree that it isn't enough.
: At least Malzahar has only one pasive. Yasuo also gets double crit chance.
and Malzahar gets a stronger ultimate. Comparing champion abilities to another without the rest of the kit for context is nonsense.
Neriticc (EUW)
: Why doesn’t Yasuo shield flow reset if he takes damage from enemy champions?
Because not every ability compared to champions is 1 to 1. Malzahar ult is a lot stronger than Yasuo's ult, but I would NEVER compare the two down to the level you are comparing their passives.
Nubrac (NA)
: Nightblue Copyright Claims and Blocks 1 Mil View Video in Which He Gets Riot Friend to Ban Nubrac
: You are exagerating quite a bit. There has been the Juggernaut rework, the introduction of Lethality and Runes Reforged. Sure, turret plating is still a mess but we are talking about Riot. It's just a little mistake compared to the average fuck-ups they are used to do. Other misdeeds include: * Removal of Dominion and incoming removal of Twisted Treeline. * ARURF. * Eternals. * The sheer existence of {{champion:157}} , {{champion:238}} , {{champion:67}} , {{champion:84}} , {{champion:39}} , {{champion:141}} , {{champion:145}} , {{champion:555}} and {{champion:142}} . * {{item:3161}} . * Jungle plants; and in general any kind of change to the jungle since Season 5. And a lot more.
the introduction of lethality was a nerf to flat armor pen, so you're wrong.
: Yep, and no. Baron change and bounties where designed as a comeback mechanic? problem? ___ Well putting the comeback mechanic on the most fed most impactful players head BY ITSELF reduces that players impact. So it reduced the CHANCE of a come back because the team that was ahead will always be the one that wins, whereas before the player that was most ahead and used it was the one that would win. Nowadays 5v5 teamfights where both teams trade 4 players lives for 1 kill and the other team trades 4 more for the other, just happen to be the standard. The team that scales hardest then uses that massive amount of gold. ___ Man it sucks when the support leona or thresh takes the shut down and literally ends the game for his team because they made a great pick!
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