sho ayane (EUW)
: i thought your whole post was to making a point about how bad riven is, guess not mb then
> [{quoted}](name=sho ayane,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=00020001000400020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-03T02:24:41.911+0000) > > i thought your whole post was to making a point about how bad riven is, guess not mb then The point was to show that she hasn't had the "buffs" people seem to think she has had. And that she hasn't been changed other than two big ones that actually nerfed her and you wouldn't understand unless you played her. Riven is still the same champ she was last season where she often held a 48.5-50% winrate if even. DD got buffed towards the end of that. Then some other items were changed and other champs nerfed. ER was noticed and picked up, that was OP. Cheap, passive, and good build path. Now new Conq gives her and others huge field. And SoS shows up here and there, but costs more than ER so not worth rushing, build path is bad not worth rushing. Runs and items are what changed, Riven is still that 48.5% win rate champ. Just items/runes inflated her winrate. She was at 50.4 before conq hit, and she spiked 3% over night. *hmmmm*
: *cough* red {{champion:141}} *cough*
> [{quoted}](name=MTFN Azor ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tpcU4Fu4,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2019-02-28T10:22:10.733+0000) > > *cough* red {{champion:141}} *cough* Good point. I feel like the wiki hasn't been updated in a while
20022012 (EUNE)
: They can be cleansed, though, just probably not in a way you'd like.
> [{quoted}](name=20022012,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tpcU4Fu4,comment-id=000a0001,timestamp=2019-02-28T01:40:13.680+0000) > > They can be cleansed, though, just probably not in a way you'd like. that's his point, GP can 'cleanse' it. But it still requires he has a flash available to actually "get out" of it. Same applies for all people affected by knock ups. If you have cleanse, a support for mikael, or QSS, you can get out of a knock up but then it requires some form of movement skill to get you actually out of the "stun"
: Lol people on this thread be like : *checks if their main is on the list* if it is: *downvote* if it isn't: *upvote*
> [{quoted}](name=PaffWasTaken,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tpcU4Fu4,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-02-28T00:23:12.710+0000) > > Lol people on this thread be like : > *checks if their main is on the list* > if it is: > *downvote* > if it isn't: > *upvote* No joke. It's sad.
Ifneth (NA)
: Displacements were never “introduced”. They have been part of the game since its release, on the kits of such old champions as Malphite, Alistar, Janna, Singed, Blitzcrank, and Tristana. A slightly higher fraction of the cast has them than the original one did. They are fine.
> [{quoted}](name=Ifneth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tpcU4Fu4,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-27T17:52:00.215+0000) > > Displacements were never “introduced”. They have been part of the game since its release, on the kits of such old champions as Malphite, Alistar, Janna, Singed, Blitzcrank, and Tristana. A slightly higher fraction of the cast has them than the original one did. They are fine. That would still be "introduced" into the game. Been playing since that time bub, well aware of them and their creation. They are not fine though, and I wouldn't expect the average forumgoer to understand that, but thanks for the input.
: >And the kicker: they stack unlike other forms of CC. They do not stack any differently from stuns for example. The ability with the strongest duration will be prioritized. It's the same with every other cc. If you use 2 one second knock-ups at the same time, the knock up will be 1 second long. Meaning they do not actually stack (If they did, the knock-up would last 2 seconds). Same thing with stuns and roots etc. While tenacity doesn't affect knock-ups/displacements, those abilities are much shorter than stuns on average, which means they technically do not even need to be reduced with tenacity. There are also abilities like sion's q, which have additional effect that the tenacity does affect. Sion'd q knocks you up, but it also stuns you. Tenacity affects the stun part of his q.
> [{quoted}](name=GonahtanuGepardi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tpcU4Fu4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-27T12:46:21.914+0000) > > They do not stack any differently from stuns for example. The ability with the strongest duration will be prioritized. It's the same with every other cc. If you use 2 one second knock-ups at the same time, the knock up will be 1 second long. Meaning they do not actually stack (If they did, the knock-up would last 2 seconds). Same thing with stuns and roots etc. > > While tenacity doesn't affect knock-ups/displacements, those abilities are much shorter than stuns on average, which means they technically do not even need to be reduced with tenacity. There are also abilities like sion's q, which have additional effect that the tenacity does affect. Sion'd q knocks you up, but it also stuns you. Tenacity affects the stun part of his q. Gonna have to hard disagree with you on them "not stacking any differently". Knock ups have a duration based on how high the champ is (in a sense), they don't suddenly fall faster when they get knocked up twice as high. And that still doesn't look at the fact that knock ups are a buggy interaction that we've seen be buggy countless times.
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Antenora (EUW)
: I'm in agreement that it's cancerous as fuck to the game. Especially when it's on {{champion:114}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:92}}
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M45zJGEN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-27T10:35:44.688+0000) > > I'm in agreement that it's cancerous as fuck to the game. > > Especially when it's on {{champion:114}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:92}} Ehhh? riven only cares about the passive. While everyone seems to think that she automatically likes the health and CDR, it has an absolute crap build path and costs a lot more than old ER (while also being down 15AD). Only time she'll ever really build it is if she is far ahead, or somehow has 1300 gold on first back for a BF sword to which she is sacrificing CDR from caulfield or something else
: They need to scrap runes altogether, its horrible but no one is gonna pay attention to the boards, a rioter confirmed it. I guess we will wallow in our own frustration while this game slowly bleeds.
> [{quoted}](name=Starmfangy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QsbEqyII,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-27T10:55:44.142+0000) > > They need to scrap runes altogether, its horrible but no one is gonna pay attention to the boards, a rioter confirmed it. > > I guess we will wallow in our own frustration while this game slowly bleeds. They ignore suggestions from the boards because most of you complaining are trash at the game and have no idea what balance actually needs to go into this game.
: It's getting released in an overtuned state and instead of addressing the four champions that abuse it they'll just overnerf it until nobody picks it anymore. The same thing happened to Dark Harvest.
> [{quoted}](name=I love cowboys,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QsbEqyII,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-27T10:36:27.695+0000) > > It's getting released in an overtuned state and instead of addressing the four champions that abuse it they'll just overnerf it until nobody picks it anymore. > > The same thing happened to Dark Harvest. difference being DH was and still is an "infinitely" scaling keystone which is a lot different than Conqueror. That fact that it took so long for people to realize how busted DH was surprised me immensely and I expect it to be nerfed in the first week.
: I know how you feel I just had the worst ivern game ever on my ranked account (this account I'm on rn) where I went 0/4 and the enemy riven was just coming into my jng and oneshoting me at full health and then at the end I said riven is such an unskilled and broken champ and they said "riven takes tons of skill" and also my entire team was flaming me for one bad game and I the victim am probably going to get punished unlike the bullies :,( (also I feel like if riven wasn't so r%%%%%edly overpowered this would have never happened)
> [{quoted}](name=NightmareData,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QHHT6cgu,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-02-27T02:51:22.153+0000) > > I know how you feel I just had the worst ivern game ever on my ranked account (this account I'm on rn) where I went 0/4 and the enemy riven was just coming into my jng and oneshoting me at full health and then at the end I said riven is such an unskilled and broken champ and they said "riven takes tons of skill" and also my entire team was flaming me for one bad game and I the victim am probably going to get punished unlike the bullies :,( (also I feel like if riven wasn't so r%%%%%edly overpowered this would have never happened) wtb laugh reacts for forums. You are playing Ivern, once of the worst champs in the game who Riot has just ignored. And she capitalized on that fact like most people would/should.
: > [{quoted}](name=Alkaîd,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=00030003000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-22T21:55:48.800+0000) > > Well I've been playing this game since season 1 and before and would say I have a pretty good understanding of the balance teams track record with balance in this game. You guys need to look into the items and other factors that suddenly cause a champ to "become broken". And I gravely hope you guys do that this time, because Riven hasn't changed in a manner that would cause her to suddenly become "OP" except for the items you guys have introduced and changed. They've been nerfing champions around the items, not the other way around. Look at it this way - Death's Dance is OK on 20 champions. But this one guy, gets death's dance and his WR spikes. They are not going to nerf the item, because those 20 champions are going to get indirectly hit, instead they nerf the champion. Wich would be okay, if after nerfing the items, they'd revert the nerfs on champions, wich they very, very rarely do. Example: Crit changes. Tryndamare got 0 compensation buffs. And he was already struggling as it is. Also, Riven ever sitting over a 50% w/r is an indicator that the champion is completely broken. Same goes with Yasuo, and same goes with Zed. (As those are at the top of the skillcap, they shouldn't be having high winrates, since that would either mean that a) they're easy b) they're broken c) everyone learned the champions (unlikely) )
> [{quoted}](name=SomeOneButNoOne,realm=EUNE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=000300030002000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-23T17:17:41.862+0000) > > They've been nerfing champions around the items, not the other way around. > > Look at it this way - Death's Dance is OK on 20 champions. But this one guy, gets death's dance and his WR spikes. > They are not going to nerf the item, because those 20 champions are going to get indirectly hit, instead they nerf the champion. Wich would be okay, if after nerfing the items, they'd revert the nerfs on champions, wich they very, very rarely do. > > Example: Crit changes. Tryndamare got 0 compensation buffs. And he was already struggling as it is. > Also, Riven ever sitting over a 50% w/r is an indicator that the champion is completely broken. Same goes with Yasuo, and same goes with Zed. (As those are at the top of the skillcap, they shouldn't be having high winrates, since that would either mean that a) they're easy b) they're broken c) everyone learned the champions (unlikely) ) Where's the laugh react on forum posts?
sho ayane (EUW)
: Idk where you are going with this, you just want a riven buff? What do you think riot should do? Legit asking
> [{quoted}](name=sho ayane,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=000200010004000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-22T23:08:00.890+0000) > > Idk where you are going with this, you just want a riven buff? What do you think riot should do? Legit asking I was countering the guys point? By breaking down each patch exactly how /r/rivenmains looked at it objectively when each came out. Didn't say I wanted a buff anywhere in there.
: I'm commenting because I like your username. Best girl. I'm actually playing through it right now. Halfway through Vol 2.
> [{quoted}](name=I am Razgriz,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=000200010004000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-22T23:22:22.725+0000) > > I'm commenting because I like your username. Best girl. > > I'm actually playing through it right now. Halfway through Vol 2. Indeed great games. .Hack very under appreciated series. I have the original four all still in their cases with books. Some dead account has the normal name sadly. C'est la vie
Meddler (NA)
: For anyone wondering, no, spamming posts on a bunch of unrelated replies doesn't increase your odds of getting a useful conversation going about the topic you care about, quite the opposite.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=0003000300020000,timestamp=2019-02-22T21:45:36.802+0000) > > For anyone wondering, no, spamming posts on a bunch of unrelated replies doesn't increase your odds of getting a useful conversation going about the topic you care about, quite the opposite. Well I've been playing this game since season 1 and before and would say I have a pretty good understanding of the balance teams track record with balance in this game. You guys need to look into the items and other factors that suddenly cause a champ to "become broken". And I gravely hope you guys do that this time, because Riven hasn't changed in a manner that would cause her to suddenly become "OP" except for the items you guys have introduced and changed.
: Maybe you are also one of the guys thinking riven has counters , when even garen , considered a major counter of hers for years , has 42.87 % wr against her post platinum tier xD
> [{quoted}](name=Painbringerbabe,realm=EUNE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=0002000100040003,timestamp=2019-02-22T20:41:07.834+0000) > > Maybe you are also one of the guys thinking riven has counters , when even garen , considered a major counter of hers for years , has 42.87 % wr against her post platinum tier xD Uhhh I don't think anyone thinks Garen is a counter to her unless the riven player is terrible. Garen is an extremely straight forward character... Run in with Q, spin on top of them. Once someone with even 10 brain cells figures out how garen is played can counter him with some ease.
: The last time Riven was nerfed: Patch 5.21 Since this patch, Riven has been buffed in 5.24, 6.1, 6.17, 7.24, and 8.13. But yes, Riven has obviously been nothing but nerfed in these past years, not biased at all.
> [{quoted}](name=Pïco de Galio,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=0002000100040002,timestamp=2019-02-22T20:39:05.201+0000) > > The last time Riven was nerfed: Patch 5.21 > > Since this patch, Riven has been buffed in 5.24, 6.1, 6.17, 7.24, and 8.13. > > But yes, Riven has obviously been nothing but nerfed in these past years, not biased at all. 5.24 - health regen "buff" by 2hp/5. When she previously had lower health regen than soraka who had one of the lowest in the game. Still not really a buff because it doesn't affect anything 6.1 - 5% more AD on her passive, which hmm seems like a blanket buff at lower levels that doesn't actually change anything since you have no AD to affect it yet. 6.17 - 20-40 more base damage and 60-120 more top end damage on ult. Wish I had more time to pull up the posts about this and how insignificant this change was. We begged for the missile speed to be reverted over getting more damage on it because our ult damage isn't nearly as important as how fast it travels. 7.10 Big nerf to DPS and effectiveness of her Qs, which is a fair marginal amount of her damage, because they "normalized it" basically making all previous "buffs" (psst, adjustments because of how minor) meaningless. Losing 30-50 dps on Q combo at level 6 with just a long sword, translates into a lot of lost dps when you actually have items. 7.22-7.24 - already went over this somewhere else. This wasn't a buff, this was when runes reforged and the new keystones came out. A lot of champs were hit with these adjustments to their damage and Cooldowns because of CDR per level runes going away, and flat AD runes going away (as we didn't have minor runes for adaptive force yet in the initial runes reforged) 8.13 Again... health regen is insanely inconsequential when she barely made it into rank 70 on the Hp/5 rankings against all champs. And 10 and 5 seconds off ult CDR on a champ who already builds CDR... that's funny.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=BlazinCannon543,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Vpg853UW,comment-id=0002000100040001,timestamp=2019-02-22T19:18:29.056+0000) > > No flame, but she has had straight buffs for awhile now, so I think it is time to tone her down a bit. You are as bad as mkwstar. Her q "buff" with 5 damage was given to a lot of bruisers/tops in some form when runes reforged was brought in to account for runes we used to take. Same thing applies to her ult "buff" because she used to take scaling CDR per level runes so they adjusted a lot of peoples skills who also took CDR per level. Her Q change that rito called a buff, where they normalized fast Q to make it easier for people with higher pings to use it. Was a nerf by 30dps to people of all pings because it's slower. Please actually read her change log. She has literally had nothing but nerfs for 95% of her existence.
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: Hey Meddler, thanks for sharing your thoughts! a few things i'd love to mention: - I think Riven is in a weird spot right now. Spear of Shojin gives her everythign she needs, and with Black cleaver, that's already 40% cdr on her. She seems very vry strong right now. any thoughts? - I don't think Conq heal is necessary. Both Fervor of Battle (old runes) and Conqueror (current version, 9.3) don't give any healing. Feels like an overshoot in stats and power, which I don't think is necessary. Thoughts?
> [{quoted}](name=Ayy its Macie,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=2uXMU488,comment-id=006a,timestamp=2019-02-08T18:05:25.151+0000) > > Hey Meddler, thanks for sharing your thoughts! > > a few things i'd love to mention: > > - I think Riven is in a weird spot right now. Spear of Shojin gives her everythign she needs, and with Black cleaver, that's already 40% cdr on her. She seems very vry strong right now. any thoughts? > > - I don't think Conq heal is necessary. Both Fervor of Battle (old runes) and Conqueror (current version, 9.3) don't give any healing. Feels like an overshoot in stats and power, which I don't think is necessary. Thoughts? Nothing wrong with Riven. It's the items dude. And SoS is a significant nerf to old ER. Build path is crap, costs more and less AD for some health isn't that great. Toss that in with BC already being an expensive item also, she has to build other things first. Not the same power spike.
Meddler (NA)
: We took a look at Riven during 9.3's development. Conclusion was we should wait and see how the ER/Spear of Shojin change affected her, then nerf if needs be. Spear's better for her in some regards, weaker in others. Will assess for 9.4 as a result.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=2uXMU488,comment-id=002c0001,timestamp=2019-02-08T17:58:11.796+0000) > > We took a look at Riven during 9.3's development. Conclusion was we should wait and see how the ER/Spear of Shojin change affected her, then nerf if needs be. Spear's better for her in some regards, weaker in others. Will assess for 9.4 as a result. Don't touch Riven. You guys haven't touched her in ages and the last thing you did was already a nerf (When you normalized Q, it was a 20-30dps loss on fast Q and is slower). You guys put a busted item into the game and she shined because people didn't know what to do against it. Not Riven's fault there. SoS Is a pretty nerfed version of ER (250 health and crap build path don't help it much either) so it won't be nearly as strong. And you guys are about to put a conqueror rune change in that would also make people instinctively rush to "Nerf riven". The new Conqueror is like old fervor of battle + some of the new conqueror. Work on balancing other things and leave champs alone that haven't "been OP" until you put OP stuff into the game.
: If it was a big problem it would be in the patch though.
You must be a simp if you believe that. Riot balances based on Pro play most of the time. And pick and choose what they want to balance. The masses mean nothing to them otherwise they'd balance and fix a lot of shit that is and has been stupid for a while
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: Its a little too strong (damage mitigation).DD makes {{champion:92}} incredibly tanky because of her E.Idk overall this item is too strong and should be nerfed to 20% damage mitigation imo.
25% more like it. that would be a middle-ish ground honestly.
: You can add {{champion:92}} here too
Why would they nerf Riven? She hasn't been changed in how fricken long? It's the items, and it was a buff in a good way. DD was pitiful before for most people as you didn't see it used, but the 5 AD and buff to mitigation was just right for it. And it just so happens to synergize with rivens kit.
Leo Loke (NA)
: Exhaust malfunction
I've begun to notice this the more I take exhaust.

Alkaîd

Level 132 (NA)
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