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RiotBok (NA)
: EDIT: I'm dumb and looked up the wrong info, so deleting my comment and starting over! My response was directed to Kyzarkit specifically, as his/her situation seems a bit different to most of the others commenting. Haven't heard much about consistent ping spikes for most of NA, but we'll look out for those as well.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotBok,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=1ZEa1aL7,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-07T23:40:23.546+0000) > > EDIT: > > I'm dumb and looked up the wrong info, so deleting my comment and starting over! My response was directed to Kyzarkit specifically, as his/her situation seems a bit different to most of the others commenting. Haven't heard much about consistent ping spikes for most of NA, but we'll look out for those as well. It would be appreciated, it's odd considering everyone I spoke to earlier was experiencing them but now that I'm asking others about 6 hours later, I'm getting nothing. And again, everyone in the game I was in was getting the same ping issues as me. Just strange.
RiotBok (NA)
: The fact that this consistently happens around the same time every night makes me think it might be a different issue. Whenever I've seen similar reports in the past, it's been a sign of router or home network setting issues. I'd be really interested in seeing your network traffic around that time compared to earlier in the day. Unfortunately, boards isn't great for that, so what I'd recommend for you to [submit a ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) with the following information: * [Network Analysis](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752674-Network-System-and-League-of-Legends-Logs#wq1) * [Network Information Log](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752674-Network-System-and-League-of-Legends-Logs#wq4) * [Process List](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752674-Network-System-and-League-of-Legends-Logs#wq3) * A Traceroute to the same IP (192.64.170.1) using a tool like WinMTR, which should give a bit more detailed information about what's happening with your packets on their way to the server One of our techs should be able to look into it a bit more to verify whether or not it would be a local network thing. My instinct says it is, but could be wrong. I'll try to follow it along, but let me know how it goes.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotBok,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=1ZEa1aL7,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-06-07T23:22:42.997+0000) > > The fact that this consistently happens around the same time every night makes me think it might be a different issue. Whenever I've seen similar reports in the past, it's been a sign of router or home network setting issues. I'd be really interested in seeing your network traffic around that time compared to earlier in the day. > > Unfortunately, boards isn't great for that, so what I'd recommend for you to [submit a ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) with the following information: > > * [Network Analysis](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752674-Network-System-and-League-of-Legends-Logs#wq1) > * [Network Information Log](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752674-Network-System-and-League-of-Legends-Logs#wq4) > * [Process List](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752674-Network-System-and-League-of-Legends-Logs#wq3) > * A Traceroute to the same IP (192.64.170.1) using a tool like WinMTR, which should give a bit more detailed information about what's happening with your packets on their way to the server > > One of our techs should be able to look into it a bit more to verify whether or not it would be a local network thing. My instinct says it is, but could be wrong. I'll try to follow it along, but let me know how it goes. If you're not referring to me then sorry for commenting so much, but to be honest I'm not all that concerned with the packet loss. It generally only affects me for the first game I play, and reconnecting usually gets rid of it. If you have any updates whatsoever on the ping spikes, on the other hand, it would be much appreciated. Anything at all. Just started very recently, and again, it's been affecting everyone I've spoken to.
RiotBok (NA)
: It depends on what you mean by "lag". At the moment, we're assuming that most of these reports of lag are packet loss due to the description of the issue (Ping is fine, FPS is fine, but none of my inputs register). As to any larger problems- so far none of our investigations have turned up any meaningful data indicating server issues, which is why we created this thread. Even if we don't see anything at the moment, we want to do our due diligence to investigate the reports that we've been seeing. The hope is that it will be easier to notice patterns in player reports by consolidating the information here. If you're seeing consistent packet loss, I'd first go through the [Log Reader](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/209765743-Connection-Troubleshooting-Log-Reader) and then posting your information in this thread if the resolution steps still don't help. The more information we have, the better :D
> [{quoted}](name=RiotBok,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=1ZEa1aL7,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-06-07T22:38:24.971+0000) > > It depends on what you mean by "lag". At the moment, we're assuming that most of these reports of lag are packet loss due to the description of the issue (Ping is fine, FPS is fine, but none of my inputs register). > > As to any larger problems- so far none of our investigations have turned up any meaningful data indicating server issues, which is why we created this thread. Even if we don't see anything at the moment, we want to do our due diligence to investigate the reports that we've been seeing. The hope is that it will be easier to notice patterns in player reports by consolidating the information here. > > If you're seeing consistent packet loss, I'd first go through the [Log Reader](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/209765743-Connection-Troubleshooting-Log-Reader) and then posting your information in this thread if the resolution steps still don't help. The more information we have, the better :D Haven't seen noticeable packet loss in a little while, it was mostly last week. Then again, I live in a dorm and the main router isn't in my room so I generally have to wait for whoever has it to reset it every couple days, so I haven't played at all for a few days. That being said, I'm running a tracert right now and I'll post the results. As for the lag I was referring to, it's been happening all day and possibly yesterday, though that could also be attributed to my aforementioned shitty router as I only played a custom with a bot and had nobody else to compare with. And when I say lag, I mean noticeable ping fluctuations, going to 120-150, then slowly settling back down to around 30-35, before spiking again, hovering around 60-90, lowering, spiking, etc. It's been happening to literally everyone I've spoken to, except for my one friend who lives close to the servers. I played one game earlier where literally everyone was experiencing the same thing, specifically ping spikes, not packet loss. Tracing route to 192.64.170.1 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 * 1 ms 2 ms logout.lan [10.254.24.1] 2 10 ms 9 ms 10 ms 10.72.64.1 3 335 ms 19 ms 18 ms 33-3-226-24.rev.cgocable.net [24.226.3.33] 4 22 ms 18 ms 18 ms 10.0.18.5 5 17 ms 19 ms 19 ms 14-6-226-24.rev.cgocable.net [24.226.6.14] 6 28 ms 26 ms 30 ms riotgames.torontointernetxchange.net [206.108.34.247] 7 26 ms 37 ms 27 ms 104.160.131.44 8 30 ms 28 ms 56 ms 104.160.131.101 9 31 ms 34 ms 45 ms 192.64.170.1 And you can ignore the images of the log reader results I posted earlier, they were from a year ago because I'm not very smart. http://imgur.com/FC5BuND.png 6/4/2016, 10:13 AM http://imgur.com/gABmz9W.png 6/5/2016, 10:13 PM (weird coincidence) http://imgur.com/3gQzujV.png 6/6/2016, 12:55 PM http://imgur.com/5d3N6AN.png 6/7/2016, 1:07 PM And sorry for all the editing, my ISP is Cogeco and I live in Peterborough, Ontario.
RiotBok (NA)
: There's no public IPs in there. The first hop (Usually something like 192.168.x.1) is just the local ping to your router. Shouldn't be any safety concerns from this alone.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotBok,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=1ZEa1aL7,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-07T22:26:28.382+0000) > > There's no public IPs in there. The first hop (Usually something like 192.168.x.1) is just the local ping to your router. Shouldn't be any safety concerns from this alone. Literally any information regarding the ping issues would be nice. Even if it's just "We have no idea what's going on". I know that one of my friends who lives close to the servers isn't having issues, but even he was in a game where people were complaining about the (very visible in the ping department) lag. Also I've noticed that GTA V's servers are limited on all fronts, not sure if that's related at all but it's definitely an odd coincidence. Edit: sorry, you must have replied while I was typing.
RiotBok (NA)
: [NA] Investigating Packet Loss Reports
Aside from packet loss (which from my understanding is the "invisible lag" that people are experiencing, myself included), can you tell us anything about the _actual_ lag that's been affecting about 90% of your player base? As far as the NA servers are concerned anyway.
Mulchy (NA)
: What Happened to All the Packet Loss Threads?
Packet loss seems to be the least of our problems at this point, it's gone to 120-150 ms spikes every 10-15 seconds. Everyone I've spoken to has had the same issue and as far as I know it's been happening all day. I've made a thread and submitted a support ticket, but nothing yet. Kind of weird that there aren't any threads on the front page, could just be due to the idiotic system of "If your post doesn't get upvotes, nobody sees it, even though it's never going to be seen in the first place unless someone upvotes it".
: > [{quoted}](name=Ancient Wisp,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=VTX7O2Au,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-06-07T18:08:37.898+0000) > > Pls stop making amazing skins for Liss, I already have Blade Queen and I don't want to cheat on her </3 i just upgrade each time. Like when a new liss skin comes out i view it more as a gem added to my crown haha
> [{quoted}](name=Butterflys Bow,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=VTX7O2Au,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-06-07T18:16:08.198+0000) > > i just upgrade each time. Like when a new liss skin comes out i view it more as a gem added to my crown haha I try not to have more than one skin for each champ, with the exceptions being legacies. I only have doubles for Noc (Sp00ky Ghost) Hec (Headless) and LB (Mistletoe, cause damn that splash is sexy).
Knan (NA)
: Ionian Lissandra
Pls stop making amazing skins for Liss, I already have Blade Queen and I don't want to cheat on her </3
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Wolfess (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ancient Wisp,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=3e5Nzuh1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-06-02T09:45:00.694+0000) > > So it&#x27;s my fault that I never visit the boards, and it&#x27;s a remarkably misleading option that does not give any indication of being a permanent decision? They could at least add a disclaimer, if this is happening so often. It's your fault for not learning about how the system works and using it without reading the instructions, you just ASSUMED that it worked a certain way without confirmation.
> [{quoted}](name=Wolfess,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=3e5Nzuh1,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-02T09:51:46.045+0000) > > It&#x27;s your fault for not learning about how the system works and using it without reading the instructions, you just ASSUMED that it worked a certain way without confirmation. I assumed that because normally the word "Rental" implies a fucking rental, not a permanent use. If you rent a movie off iTunes, the movie doesn't cease to exist once you're done. You can still choose to buy it later. It's misleading as hell, and the least they could do is, as I've said already twice now, add a disclaimer so that people don't waste incredibly rare skins that they will never get again.
Wolfess (NA)
: Sorry to have to say this but that was your own fault. There are actually quite a few threads like this about people renting it and only finding out afterwards that it consumes the shard as well and lose the ability to get it permanently. You should have done your homework and learned how they work in the first place before attempting to use them. It may suck, but on the other hand it's a lesson you won't forget. In all sincerity I hope you get some more rare skins in your next couple of hextech boxes. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=Wolfess,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=3e5Nzuh1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-06-02T09:39:50.196+0000) > > Sorry to have to say this but that was your own fault. There are actually quite a few threads like this about people renting it and only finding out afterwards that it consumes the shard as well and lose the ability to get it permanently. You should have done your homework and learned how they work in the first place before attempting to use them. > > It may suck, but on the other hand it&#x27;s a lesson you won&#x27;t forget. In all sincerity I hope you get some more rare skins in your next couple of hextech boxes. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} So it's my fault that I never visit the boards, and it's a remarkably misleading option that does not give any indication of being a permanent decision? They could at least add a disclaimer, if this is happening so often.
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: Buying a laptop, can this run League?
Yeah should be fine, I don't know the specific numbers but unless there's a connection issue you shouldn't notice any choppiness. And the worst you'll have to go to in terms of graphics is medium.
: Chicago Connection Clinic Megathread [Closed]
At least change the server status, it's obviously not fucking "online".
: Buying a laptop, can this run League?
I have the same AMD A8 processor, and it runs league just fine. You might have to lower the graphics settings a notch or two, but you'll still be able to play.
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Krigjer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ancient Wisp,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=00250000,timestamp=2015-05-19T01:51:05.511+0000) > > Or instead of developing a ridiculously complex algorithm that would basically have the intelligence of Skynet, they could just open a new department specifically for dealing with lower priority queue placement and ban appeals related to this issue. They certainly have the money for it, and they're not spending it on centralized servers any time soon so this is literally the least they could do. Unless a company publicly releases their budget, we have no idea if they 'certainly have the money for it' or not.
> [{quoted}](name=Krigjer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=002500000000,timestamp=2015-05-19T01:59:13.411+0000) > > Unless a company publicly releases their budget, we have no idea if they 'certainly have the money for it' or not. Semantics Man, to the rescue!
: > [{quoted}](name=Ancient Wisp,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=0024000000010000,timestamp=2015-05-19T01:23:14.482+0000) > > You really have no idea what 4chan is, I mean no fucking idea, you could say that it's the largest land mammal and you'd be more correct. As far as the rest of your post is concerned, I never said I was special. I was informing those two fine upstanding gentlemen that they weren't, and likely never will be. Anything else? I'm in a great mood, I could do this for a while. Actually I do have an idea of what 4Chan is like which is why I suggested you post there if you want yes men responses because people over there will believe pretty much anything you post. While you may ahve felt telling them they weren't special all you really did is prove you wanted to insult them not have a discussion. You could've just as easily said you disagree with them instead. I'm in a foul mood right now, good earlier due to Win 8.1 corrupting it's registry again after updates. I can go all night as well if you want to have a sarcastic debate about things or just bash Windows.
> [{quoted}](name=powerbats,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=00240000000100000000,timestamp=2015-05-19T02:06:35.776+0000) > > Actually I do have an idea of what 4Chan is like which is why I suggested you post there if you want yes men responses because people over there will believe pretty much anything you post. While you may ahve felt telling them they weren't special all you really did is prove you wanted to insult them not have a discussion. You could've just as easily said you disagree with them instead. I'm in a foul mood right now, good earlier due to Win 8.1 corrupting it's registry again after updates. I can go all night as well if you want to have a sarcastic debate about things or just bash Windows. You make me sad. Seriously there are several layers of metagame here that you're not privy to, and that level of ignorance should be funny but honestly it's just kind of depressing. And to be clear, most of the fucking kids on 4chan in the past few years have no idea what it is, don't assume to understand it because you're aware that it exists.
Outdated (NA)
: "I just don't get that Champ." Shen Edition.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, he's meant as a teamfighter more than a lane bully. He has decent base damage early to make up for the fact that his kit requires a lot of tank stats to really be effective in the mid to late game. Also you should generally make sure you either have tp up or don't need to go back into lane immediately if you're ulting, and maybe ping first just to make sure your ally notices the shield.
: My first Mao game
Because of his ult, and the fact that he is the Honorable Chairman of the People's Republic of China.
Krigjer (NA)
: There can never be a really harsh punishment for afks until the system can detect the difference between an afk and a legitimate disconnect. You already have innocent people complaining about Leaverbuster.
> [{quoted}](name=Krigjer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=0025,timestamp=2015-05-19T01:26:17.204+0000) > > There can never be a really harsh punishment for afks until the system can detect the difference between an afk and a legitimate disconnect. > > You already have innocent people complaining about Leaverbuster. Or instead of developing a ridiculously complex algorithm that would basically have the intelligence of Skynet, they could just open a new department specifically for dealing with lower priority queue placement and ban appeals related to this issue. They certainly have the money for it, and they're not spending it on centralized servers any time soon so this is literally the least they could do.
Durzaka (NA)
: Now, i think it is ridiculous that Brutalizer now only has 1 build path. But dont pretend that Ghostblade isnt a good item on Zed or Talon.
> [{quoted}](name=Durzaka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-05-19T01:15:34.835+0000) > > Now, i think it is ridiculous that Brutalizer now only has 1 build path. > > But dont pretend that Ghostblade isnt a good item on Zed or Talon. There's a reason I didn't mention Yas or Talon, but the amount of crit just isn't worth the money for Zed and the active only helps with single target chasing, something he's already pretty damn adept at. > [{quoted}](name=Kinky Ninja Boy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-05-19T01:16:57.495+0000) > > Brutalizer needs to build into an assassin oriented item. Youmuu is for ADC's right now. > > We need a new assassin item for AD because of what they did to Cleaver. Precisely.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ancient Wisp,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=00240000,timestamp=2015-05-19T01:03:56.336+0000) > > If you haven't won a 3v5, then you're probably not level 30. Neither of you are special, and you're both fucking idiots for thinking that your comments have any bearing on this conversation. Now get out. If all you want is a bunch of yes men responses then go post on 4Chan because you won't find all yes men here. Oh and as far as being special goes you don't qualify either and these forums belong to Riot not you.
> [{quoted}](name=powerbats,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=002400000001,timestamp=2015-05-19T01:16:31.319+0000) > > If all you want is a bunch of yes men responses then go post on 4Chan because you won't find all yes men here. Oh and as far as being special goes you don't qualify either and these forums belong to Riot not you. You really have no idea what 4chan is, I mean no fucking idea, you could say that it's the largest land mammal and you'd be more correct. As far as the rest of your post is concerned, I never said I was special. I was informing those two fine upstanding gentlemen that they weren't, and likely never will be. Anything else? I'm in a great mood, I could do this for a while.
: > There is currently only one item with attack damage and cooldown reduction, and that's a Ghostblade {{item:3508}} {{item:3172}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3050}} None of them build out of Brutalizer, though.
> [{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-05-18T20:43:13.641+0000) > > {{item:3508}} {{item:3172}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3050}} > > None of them build out of Brutalizer, though. I'll give you reaver even though it's a niche item that only a few champs can really utilize effectively, same for zephyr only worse, I already talked about the cleaver, and herald may as well be a support item.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ancient Wisp,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-05-18T17:57:01.745+0000) > > This was never about the cleaver itself, better luck next time. See, when you say something like: > I'm not saying to change the item back to the way it was, but put the brutalizer back in somewhere and do it fast. then people think you are asking for brutalizer to go back to upgrading into *cleaver specifically*. That's different from having brutalizer upgrade into *something* that is more useful to an AD caster than Ghostblade, which Riot might get around to when they have time. (I would suggest changing Ghostblade instead, but why not have both, if neither Ghostblade nor Hypothetical New Brutalizer Upgrade are oppressive or way too good for their cost. Probably some champs will prefer each and that's fine.) Cleaver's current build path works fine for cleaver. People who actually want cleaver for the things that it should be good for benefit from health and phage procs anyway. Renekton, for example, likes kindlegem just fine, tyvm. Brutalizer's lack of upgrade choices (right now) doesn't work so great for some brutalizer builders. But there's something wrong with an assassin wanting to build a tank-busting item. Assassins should be avoiding tanks or getting their asses handed to them if they don't. Zed, and similar people, need a brutalizer upgrade that helps them murder squishies but *isn't* much good against tanks. And I'd argue health isn't a great stat for them to have either.
> [{quoted}](name=Partholonian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-05-18T23:44:34.165+0000) > > See, when you say something like: > > then people think you are asking for brutalizer to go back to upgrading into *cleaver specifically*. > > That's different from having brutalizer upgrade into *something* that is more useful to an AD caster than Ghostblade, which Riot might get around to when they have time. (I would suggest changing Ghostblade instead, but why not have both, if neither Ghostblade nor Hypothetical New Brutalizer Upgrade are oppressive or way too good for their cost. Probably some champs will prefer each and that's fine.) > > Cleaver's current build path works fine for cleaver. People who actually want cleaver for the things that it should be good for benefit from health and phage procs anyway. Renekton, for example, likes kindlegem just fine, tyvm. > > Brutalizer's lack of upgrade choices (right now) doesn't work so great for some brutalizer builders. > > But there's something wrong with an assassin wanting to build a tank-busting item. Assassins should be avoiding tanks or getting their asses handed to them if they don't. Zed, and similar people, need a brutalizer upgrade that helps them murder squishies but *isn't* much good against tanks. And I'd argue health isn't a great stat for them to have either. You literally just restated my own opinions for me and offered no new information or insight. Thank you so much for the input.
: I won a 3v5 game before. So fuck your idea.
> [{quoted}](name=Rootworth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=0024,timestamp=2015-05-18T23:36:02.860+0000) > > I won a 3v5 game before. So fuck your idea. > [{quoted}](name=The Allies Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2015-05-18T23:08:03.628+0000) > > I won a 3v5 once cuz the enemy team threw too hard If you haven't won a 3v5, then you're probably not level 30. Neither of you are special, and you're both fucking idiots for thinking that your comments have any bearing on this conversation. Now get out.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ancient Wisp,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-05-18T15:58:19.278+0000) > >You&#039;ve completely removed the most viable option for ad cdr and indirectly hard-nerfed champs like zed or jayce who rely on it to be effective in the midgame. Exactly. Zed and Jayce are both often-oppressive champions throughout the game. Actually, taking Brutalizer out of their standard build paths made it so that they had a more clearly defined window of weakness. I think that making an item like that less available to oppressive, lane-bullying champs like Zed and Jayce is actually an intelligent decision on Riot's part.
> [{quoted}](name=admiralcourvoisi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-05-18T19:10:35.290+0000) > > Exactly. Zed and Jayce are both often-oppressive champions throughout the game. Actually, taking Brutalizer out of their standard build paths made it so that they had a more clearly defined window of weakness. I think that making an item like that less available to oppressive, lane-bullying champs like Zed and Jayce is actually an intelligent decision on Riot's part. If they were so deeply unbalanced, they would have been nerfed directly. And they're not lane bullies, Zed's early game is actually weaker due to his lack of ranged autos, and Jayce needs at least a half stacked tear and a triforce in order to be effective. There is currently only one item with attack damage and cooldown reduction, and that's a Ghostblade, which is hardly the most effective purchase if you're only looking for a shorter timer on your abilities. Apparently I really do need to spell it out like that. Edit: I'm fully aware that some of you consider Zed to actually be a bully, to which I say learn to predict skillshots. Yes he has no mana to deal with, but he also has only enough energy for one full poke combo at a time. His overall range puts him at a slight disadvantage against most other mids, and he even loses before 6 to Yas.
: The issue is, when do you draw the line between, "This person had computer issues and will reconnect in a few minutes." and "This person rage quitted."? Implementing something where a match is ended if there are AFK's is somewhat clunky because you never know if the AFK is going to reconnect and if they were going to and you end the match before they get a chance to, would they get unfairly punished? The other thing is, there are plenty of 4v5 games where the team with the AFK gets the win. You could possibly say that if there is an AFK, the team with the AFK is allowed to surrender without the game being marked as a loss, but this could be abused if losing teams start randomly AFK so their game doesn't get marked as a loss. You could say to punish anyone who randomly AFKs, but with what? Low priority queue? What if someone gets an AFK because of computer issues tries to re-login just to find that their game ended in forfeit and now they have to sit in low priority queue because of _one_ game? Just that would cause a huge amount of rage. I think something has to be done about 3v5s and 4v5s but these are some issues that I, at least, don't have answers to.
> [{quoted}](name=Livia the Rose,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwR2EKdM,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-05-17T20:18:45.615+0000) > > The issue is, when do you draw the line between, "This person had computer issues and will reconnect in a few minutes." and "This person rage quitted."? Implementing something where a match is ended if there are AFK's is somewhat clunky because you never know if the AFK is going to reconnect and if they were going to and you end the match before they get a chance to, would they get unfairly punished? The other thing is, there are plenty of 4v5 games where the team with the AFK gets the win. > > You could possibly say that if there is an AFK, the team with the AFK is allowed to surrender without the game being marked as a loss, but this could be abused if losing teams start randomly AFK so their game doesn't get marked as a loss. You could say to punish anyone who randomly AFKs, but with what? Low priority queue? What if someone gets an AFK because of computer issues tries to re-login just to find that their game ended in forfeit and now they have to sit in low priority queue because of _one_ game? Just that would cause a huge amount of rage. > > I think something has to be done about 3v5s and 4v5s but these are some issues that I, at least, don't have answers to. I think 5 minutes is a reasonable cut-off time. If you can't reconnect within a full 310 seconds of dcing, then you're probably not coming back. As for punishment, that's not the issue. Nobody gives a shit about how much trouble the person who wasted their time will get into, they care about the time they lost in the first place. In DOTA, once two people afk there's no punishment for leaving yourself because the game is already over. I don't know what to do about ranked games considering the obvious potential for cheating, but at least implement it in normals where formally winning doesn't mean shit all. Edit: Reading the thread gave me an idea for how to better govern ranked afking. Again, 5 minute cut-off, and if they leave permanently then they suffer a massive LP loss. There should also be a system in place for appeals, especially considering the tribunal seems to be completely internal now. I know that there would be an insurmountable number of fake appeals and people raging at Riot because they believe they were punished unjustly, but I'm with OP on this one. Stop committing so many resources to minute long movies and start actually giving a shit about the people watching them. Have an entire department dedicated to these appeals if you need to, the alternative is what's already happening. Your player base slowly falling away like a glacier under the ozone hole.
: Brutalizer on its own is a broken item anyway It gives 3 stats that all scale off of each other in moderate amounts for only 1337 gold It didn't need an item for casters to also shred everything late game, and now bruisers actually have a good item
> [{quoted}](name=Marthian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-18T18:05:05.065+0000) > > Builds into Warrior Enchant too. Well that doesn't really help the likes of Jayce or Zed does it? > [{quoted}](name=FalconPawwwwnch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-05-18T18:05:27.990+0000) > > Brutalizer on its own is a broken item anyway > > It gives 3 stats that all scale off of each other in moderate amounts for only 1337 gold > > It didn't need an item for casters to also shred everything late game, and now bruisers actually have a good item Fine, then get rid of the passive. Just make it a 10% cdr item with a reasonable amount of damage, and have it build into something that gives you like 15%. Obviously the full item would be worth a significant amount of gold, but at least ad carries that aren't literally adcs will have something other than flat damage.
: Bruh... U made your own comment useless. First you say do whatever needed to make the game more balanced... Ever had the thought that they maybe weeken pplz like tht with that on purpose? O.o Besides that makes it an item you don't have to rush. It can easily be the third dmg item. Nobody is that damn tanks that u need the armor shred that bad before 25 min.
> [{quoted}](name=Sockenfreack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ccE96T4c,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-05-18T16:08:47.027+0000) > > Bruh... U made your own comment useless. First you say do whatever needed to make the game more balanced... Ever had the thought that they maybe weeken pplz like tht with that on purpose? O.o Besides that makes it an item you don't have to rush. It can easily be the third dmg item. Nobody is that damn tanks that u need the armor shred that bad before 25 min. Did you even read my post? I'm not saying that I'm against the changes to cleaver, I'm saying that having the brutalizer be a ghostblade-exclusive item with literally no other straight ad cdr items in the entire game is a terrible idea. It fucks over so many champions that need cdr but not necessarily crit or the ghostblade passive. This was never about the cleaver itself, better luck next time.
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: Make more Zac skins!!
I just came here to make a thread suggesting Molten Zac, it would look great and be really simple particle-wise. I mean they could opt for Battlecast, but it'd be expensive and wouldn't come out for a while.
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: Seems like a lot of people have login problems, why no response?
Seconded, still can't get in. I was fine, then logged out to switch my internet to my personal hotspot and now it's just going and going. Edit: it seems like waiting for a while before hitting play on the launcher works, but now I can't connect to chat.
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: I like Ancient Wisp. It's nice and poetic. :D FirstTimeSyndra, while funny, runs the risk of you hating the name if you ever get disillusioned with Syndra (I am such a good example of names to do).
> I like Ancient Wisp. It's nice and poetic. :D > > FirstTimeSyndra, while funny, runs the risk of you hating the name if you ever get disillusioned with Syndra (I am such a good example of names to do). You make a good point.
: I have exactly enough RP to get a new name
Ancient Wisp it is. Why does everyone hate Syndra so fucking much, just play super passive early and chain cc her in teamfights. If you can, get someone who farms well like Ori. And stop being pussies, that's step 1.
: Ancient wisp, cause what if you realize halfway into playing a game of ranked with syndra that you've entered stage 3 of cancer. And after coming back from chemotherapy you realize rito permabanned your account with the new leaverbuster.
> Ancient wisp, cause what if you realize halfway into playing a game of ranked with syndra that you've entered stage 3 of cancer. And after coming back from chemotherapy you realize rito permabanned your account with the new leaverbuster. I'll take the vote for Wisp, even though I'd just finish the game either way. It's ranked, cancer can wait. It's not even stage 4.
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: Unable to log in...
Nevermind it fixed itself.
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: Patcher keeps scanning files, won't go past 33% (not a 4.18 issue)
Nevermind, for anyone else having the same issue this should work: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/dypvwGTN-people-whos-patches-get-stuck-at-33-87-or-whatever-come-here
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