: Horror themed Volibear Is Better: Bring It Back, Or At Least Do Something For The Fans Who Loved It
I actually got excited for him being a hard CC immune abomination, bet they're gonna give him a lightning themed blink now.
: > [{quoted}](name=DefinitlyNotVivi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XpfE978v,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-04-09T19:29:52.585+0000) > > What's the purpose of this comment? What's the purpose of this reply?
> [{quoted}](name=Leonaiten,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XpfE978v,comment-id=000000020001,timestamp=2019-04-10T11:34:35.026+0000) > > What's the purpose of this reply? What is my purpose?
: Shen mains REJOICE!
: ah shit yes, now that you put it like that his new kit suddenly became so much more fun and oh wait no it didn't. I couldn't care less if he dropped all the way to 40% winrate (not that he's doing great now), i'd still rather play old shen than new shen even if he were at 60% winrate.
I've typed a really long post some time ago on my thoughts on the rework. I always thought going melee only meant stat increases for Shen, not decreases.
: I think youre just bored of shen. Maybe play something else? I'd get bored of a champ at 50k tbh.
Shen is the only reason I still played.
: 1 mil jayce main here Seconding everything This game os far from the esport i got into in 2012 Gg dude
Antenora (EUW)
: 1.1 million mastery Vayne Main here. I have my games where I pop off like a monster and some games I feed my ass off. The thing that's ruining the game for me right now is getting 1 shot by nearly everything, especially AFTERSHOCK Mages/Tanks like Lissandra and Galio, Difference is Shen's in a bad spot as a champion... Sadly Shen suffered "Pro Play Syndrome".
I've had those kinds of games in the previous season, but with the current season I might as well be playing rally revive jungle Soraka. Shen always had the Pro Play nerfs, but I could manage with those. But I feel they have finally caught up with me, and I can't compensate. Getting oneshot is never fun.
Rioter Comments
: Everyone wants to see damage nerfed but no one's willing to have their class nerfed.
You merely adopted nerf damage, I was born in it. Molded by it. If my class has to be the first on the chopping block for this game to become fun again, then go right ahead I'm used to it. {{champion:98}}
Tennousu (NA)
: An argument of why not to revert Current Shen (and a defense of new Shen)
Lotta time wasted on a in depth post on Shen, Riot wouldn't ever revert him. The handful of Shenmains trying to garner some sort of attention aren't really noteworthy either. If you can still enjoy Shen, good for you. I can't.
: revert shen.
If Shen could get a Warwick tier rework I would never be toxic in Riots house again, I mean I quit cause hes bad so thats kinda the point right now too. Shen can't deal with all the new stuff that keeps coming out, conqueror, Irelia, mobility creep, damage creep, and armor piercing being more prevalent than ever. Every year Shen gets weaker and weaker, be it nerfs to his kit, items, runes or simply champs that bring a overloaded kit to the table he can't realistically deal with. I would like it if he got some form of viability, even if it meant sacrificing his ult. But that won't happen so I guess I'm freed from league.
: Sometimes, I wonder why Rioters no longer respond to us, but the answer has become more apparent.
Not even allowed to derail this post with a joke, protect wamen at all cost.
: When to realize a champ is dying
The day Riot finally gives Shen some buffs is the day I'll start playing again. Can't be bothered with this shit anymore.
Rαy (EUW)
: Riot Manager suspended without pay for farting into employee's faces
Tennousu (NA)
: Just going to leave this here as a 300k+ Mastery Level 7 Shen player: Shen doesn't need the full Tiamat to CS under tower. Grabbing that 9% attack speed rune gives you enough attack speed to auto-towershot-auto caster minions from lvl 1 without Q, and Shen Q with Doran Shield passive does enough damage to always kill melee minions after 2 tower shots at all stages in laning phase. For siege minions, tower damage will always leave a bare sliver of health, just enough to last hit with Q with proper timing. If you're still unconfident, a single adaptive force rune + longsword, or Bami's Cinder tick allows you to last hit casters with towershot-Q once you get back to lane. Also, remember that Shen's stats are "garbage" for a reason. You have a spammable shield on a 10 second cooldown, and an auto attack dodge that mitigates all damage from the minion wave and empowered auto attacks. Good Shens can abuse these two in tandem for some very lopsided trades, and can chunk an enemy for 1/4 - 1/3 of their health each time and take almost no damage in return.
A opponent worth half his salt knows that Shen has extreme difficulties with CSing under turret in the early game and can easily deny or punish him for farming. Been maining Shen forever and I can tell you this: Every year something is taken away from Shen, be it stats (rework), his abilities (nerfs), or itemisation changes. Meanwhile other classes gain a increased amount of options to deal with Shen in conqueror, and the armor piercing items. Disregard that new champions have their kits loaded to the brim with options, while Shen barely has any leeway in the way he levels and uses his skills. Shen used to be able to farm under turret with ease, the caster minion surviving with a sliver of health is nothing short of a intended nerf. CSing with Shen requires so much focus that I simply can't be bothered to bring anymore.
Yago (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Thé Nut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oj4bUnci,comment-id=00000001000300000000,timestamp=2018-08-25T11:12:38.897+0000) > > Are you seriously saying Twitch Thots aren't glorified cam girls (not saying in disguise because they ain't wearing one lol). Does it matter whether they are or not? Streaming is work. Sex work is work. Whether you place them in the former or the latter category...they're still working? The only reason you have to try and place them as 'cam girls' is because you're implying that sex work is somehow less valid than a 'legitimate' profession. At the end of the day, they're just streamers.
Streaming = Work. I think we are done here. Is Twitch a platform for camgirls?
Yago (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oj4bUnci,comment-id=000000010003,timestamp=2018-08-25T09:24:08.287+0000) > > We need to empower these clearly oppressed females in the mostly male dominated space because fuck patriarchy. They are free to do whatever they want and when they get called out for having their asses/tits on the stream, well that's clearly cyber bullying. Working as a camgirl certainly doesn't pay enough from the people who want to pay for it so peddling your trade to teenagers is a more lucrative business strategy while you can pretend to play games. > > It's easy money. > You don't see any other men playing in their underwear with a bulge cam, they actually play games on a site that's entirely based around streaming the said activity. Can you imagine if some did? Well, that would've been a ban for life. Hell, Dansgaming got his emote removed because SJWs said it "offended" them and i bet they don't even watch his stream. Meanwhile, Twitch just gives these females a slap on the wrist when they breach ToS multiple times because hey, equality is not when both men and women are encouraged to participate with the same rules applying to both. Equality is when said women get multiple free passes while breaching ToS because dammit, we need more female streamers. LMAO. Do you honestly listen to yourself? You just made two entire paragraphs complaining about women and the trans community and still seem to think you aren't being a blatant bigot...What's it matter what women wear on stream?
Are you seriously saying Twitch Thots aren't glorified cam girls (not saying in disguise because they ain't wearing one lol).
: GC is no longer a part of the gameplay design team. So?
Big fucking deal if he "Done fucked it up!" before he left.
: On buffing tanks in the last patch
I didn't see any global tank buffs. I saw a couple of specific tanks get a minor buff and some even nerfed.
Ralanr (NA)
: Vorpal blade allowed Shen to completely sandbag the lane, ignoring his opponent and farming safely under tower without many ways to punish him. That’s why they changed it. They wanted to make it so Shen not only has the tools to fight his opponent, but actually has to fight his opponent if he wants to get anywhere in lane.
This is very true, it fellt good for Shen players. But really bad for their opponents, I still imagine that Garen screaming about my daggerspam in german lol.
: "You've gotten 18% more honors for staying cool than the average player"
I usually give the tilted guy Honor for staying cool, because I like the irony.
: Yep i dont notice anything
: I am and did. Im asking you what you think is or was a huge nerf? In my opinion i think they should change his adaptive to ap.
Well for starters, all his stats got lowered in the process of the rework. I'll list his nerfs here: 1. Reduced his stats in the rework. 2. Reduced health regen. 3. Reduced the damage on his Q by 1 percent across the board. 4. Reduced the amount of shielding Shen's R gives by scaling it with HP (while barely increasing it on the maximum treshold), while also increasing its cooldown. 5. Reduced the added base damage on his Q into irrelevancy (can't even farm minions under turret early). 6. Decreased the already situational slow on his Q during the early game. Now I'll list the buffs that didn't get reverted and weren't across the board: 1. .4 increase in armor growth stat. 2. 12 increase in health growth stat. 3. Shadow Dash cost reduction to 150 energy, width increased. Now none of these buffs or nerfs are massive enough in scale to call him gutted. But they add up. They are numerous enough, for me to get sick of even trying to play him. As to what would help Shen, I made a couple of posts and threads in the past. I don't even know why I'm still trying.
: And what exactly do you think is nerfed on him. I play and have no issues so
: He is fine.
You can't eat nerf after nerf after nerf and be considered "fine".
: Bro i play shen nonstop and if your referring to the little bit in slow a nerf you really need to understand what a nerf is
So have I, and since his rework he pretty much only received nerfs. The few buffs he received were global ones that each champion got, or quickly reverted.
: Is there even a reason to play Shen anymore?
Nope, thus there is no reason for me to play the game.
: Just delete Shen already, Riot.
Them half assing that skin he got after ages was the final drop for me. I can deal with the constant nerfs, cause why the fuck not. Theres so much BS in this game, but lets just nerf Shen some more. I'd be glad if they removed him, then I can finally quit playing this stupid game.
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/P4eh9Or5-tank-changes-for-816?comment=00300000 Keep up with the game dude. They are buffing the heck out of them next patch, AT THE SAME TIME they are nerfing anything Assassins use.
My comment was stated with that in mind, those aren't buffs imo. Regardless its only a handful of tanks.
Rexxiee (NA)
: Gnar is actually pretty terrible atm
: Katarina Nerfs - 2 long years.
Would be real nice if her kit wasn't attractive to scripters.
: The game is never has been a team effort. All they are doing is nerfing assassins to the ground because adc's were weak for a few patches. They are doing 3 things * Buffing Tanks * Just buffed ADC's/and ADC support type champs (ori mid, thresh, ect) * Nerfing what kills ADC's the most balanced way (Fighters are broken as fuck where at least assassins can be CC killed) All they are doing is bringing back the shitty worlds ADC meta so China can win again while making everyone except bot lane feel bad.
Solicitude (EUNE)
: How the game feels as a top-laner: Is the rest of your team winning? 1) You live in an island. 2) Your team fights 4vs4/5, you are not there, no one cares. 3) You group with your team. You have a team fight. You just exist since the rest of your team will run down the enemy. 4) You will keep living in an island. At times someone will come to take every cs in your lane. Is the rest of your team losing? 1) You live in an island. 2) Your team gets caught or tries to fight. They all die. They immediately start pinging your TP which in ready. No one cares that they lost in 2 seconds or that there are no wards for you to TP. 3) You group with your team. You get 3-shot. You just existed for a couple of seconds. The enemy team runs down every one. 4) You can no longer go to your island. Your team will instant clear every cs that exists. Bonus: You are winning: No one cares. You are losing: No one cares unless the enemy top-laner groups with his team or goes to another lane.
If you are Shen you get to watch teammates get blown up throught your ult as a bonus!
Ahpe (NA)
: What do we classify Kayn as?
: Tank changes for 8.16
Any additional Shen nerfs you guys forgot to mention?
: I've been seeing a lot of posts about Shen since last week. So, let's talk Shen.
Riot doesn't like Shen, they will simply keep him in a nerfed state and focus on more popular champs. I mean look at his recent skin, the splash art is amazing and ingame he looks like hes wearing a toupet with a cosplay outfit glued to his body.
: LCS viewership went down so much.
Good, nerf my boi Shen more riot. I hope your LCS viewership evaporates.
: After the slavery was abolished in the US, the popularity and esteem within the white folks also went down, that doesn't mean slavery was right. After Germany lost WWII, the popularity of Hitler plummeted, that doesn't mean Nazism was right. The same thing with LoL, after being ignored for several consecutive Seasons, finally bringing bruisers to the same playing ground as other (sub)classes does not make the game less balanced. In fact, it's more balanced than ever before, we finally have competitive diversity across all roles and classes, it only takes time for people to adjust. Again, human's are adaptive creatures, but they also are aversive towards change, no matter how better the future might be.
This comparison is autistic as fuck.
: The way I think of it, it means he never gets banned and people don't know how to deal with you.
With the amount of nerfs hes been getting people don't have to know how to deal with you lol.
: Simple. disable shen in lcs.
Riot banning champions from LCS would be pretty nice, especially for cases like Shen.
: Mind you that CertainlyT created monstrosities like {{champion:157}} and {{champion:142}}. His only redeeming factor is the Warwick rework, but that's about it. The hate is to be expected.
He should have the same gun Riot pointed at his head for the WW rework, permanently pointed at his face. That way he will create quality content that most of us will enjoy.
lalolalic (EUNE)
: Bring back Shen's Vorpal Blade
The only thing Shen will be getting are nerfs.
: Another nerf to shen...
Glad I didn't buy that skin.
: Please make Urgot's ult NOT instantly pull in targets it would kill.
I ult Trynd after hitting him with Q and E, he can then either die or ult to live. Once urgot ult runs out of time, reel him in. It usually doesn't kill him, but CC's him long enought for his ult to end and he dies regardless.
: Community Patch Notes
: {{champion:98}} #Passive: Ki Barrier https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/1e/Ki_Barrier.png/revision/latest?cb=20160113193213 **[NEW] Arcane Spirit**: Convert 25% of all mana provided by items into shield strength for https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/1e/Ki_Barrier.png/revision/latest?cb=20160113193213 Ki Barrier and https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/8/85/Stand_United_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20170208230402 Stand United. E-**Shadow Dash**- Physical Damage lowered from 50/75/100/125/150 to 40/65/90/120/150. "As somebody who is already niche among most tanks, Shen shouldn't shy away from powerful defensive itemization or deviating build options because of a stat he cannot use, so opening mana as an option to him in the form of shield strength gives him a reason to build certain items that were previously wasteful to build on him. This also tackles the problem of balancing his team utility, locking a large portion of it behind his itemization choices, allowing him to choose the options that most benefit his team. To accommodate for these changes, we will be lowering the base damage on Shadow Dash in order to tone down his 1v1 damage in lane in favor of a more defensive power curve. Also, we were a bit curious what some users could do to push the limits of Shen's shielding capabilities, namely certain ones that showcase them on Youtube."
Upvoted, I didn't even consider widening item choice by converting mana in my suggestion for Shen. Will also Shamelessly steal the large icons :)
: Experiment: Community Patch Notes
{{champion:98}} https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/7/79/Twilight_Assault_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20170208230401 - ~~ 5 - 30 (based on level)~~ (+ 2 / 2.5 / 3 / 3.5 / 4% ~~(+ 1.5% per 100 AP)~~ of target's maximum health) **New**: _Level and AP scaling removed for 0.03 bonus health scaling flat magic damage._ https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/b/b6/Twilight_Assault_3.png/revision/latest?cb=20170208230402 - ~~5 - 30 (based on level)~~ (+ 4 / 4.5 / 5 / 5.5 / 6% ~~(+ 2% per 100 AP)~~ of target's maximum health) **New**: _Level and AP scaling removed for 0.06 bonus health scaling flat magic damage._ https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/5e/Spirit%27s_Refuge.png/revision/latest?cb=20170217191016 - **New**: _Now provides Ki Barrier shield to allies that enter Spirit Refuge's AOE, 50%/40%/30%/20%/10% less effective shielding per level._ https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/92/Shadow_Dash.png/revision/latest?cb=20160113193419 - Active: Shen dashes in the target direction, dealing 50 / 75 / 100 / 125 / 150 ~~(+ 12% bonus health)~~ physical damage to all enemy champions and monsters he hits and taunting them for 1.5 seconds. **New**: _Cooldown of Shadow Dash is reduced by 1 second per enemy champion hit, can't lower the cooldown beyond 5 seconds._ https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/8/85/Stand_United_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20170208230402 - Active: Shen channels for 3 seconds, shielding the target allied champion for up to 5 seconds, increased by 0% - 60% (based on target's missing health). **New**: _Minimum shield increased to 200/400/600 from 175/350/525. AP scaling removed. Missing health scaling unchanged, but Shen enjoys a larger shield on allies on or below the 40% health treshold thanks to minimum shielding buffs: 320/640/960 from 280/560/840_ . **Reasoning:** Shen suffers from ancient scalings that he can never build, moved damage from E to Q and improved it somewhat since hes entirely auto dependant for damage. While at the same time making it a little easier for Shen to last hit in lane. Spirit Refuge has no reason to level beyond the first point, now it provides additional protection for allies and is somewhat useful vs non auto attackers. Shadow Dash deals a lot of hidden AOE damage (270 total with 1000 bonus hp, 390 with 2000.) since the nature of Shadow Dash is utilitarian I decided to remove the damage scaling in favor of additional use for landing multiple hits. Stand United's targets often end up dying well before the channel ends, removed needless scaling in favor of a flat buff on minimal shielding which in turn increases the maximum shield at the same time.
: > [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i6A4sQi7,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-06-13T17:33:11.662+0000) > > All double activation abilities work that way, they all can be reactivated while stunned. One example i can think of is Swain, if you land Nevermore you can still pull them towards you even if you are stunned. umm? no {{champion:34}} Q {{champion:115}} W {{champion:99}} E NONE of these can be reactivated while stunned..
: > [{quoted}](name=Thé Nut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sBy6ye6b,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-06-12T22:00:16.326+0000) > > I don't even play those champs lol. Anyways your backwards "e" account is trash just like this one. {{champion:161}} {{champion:98}} find abetter game to play lad.
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