Rioter Comments
: Every time he casts W he will have 20 mana less. If he casts it 3 times, he paid as if he used it 4 times basically. It adds up. Look at mana pools in the early game, they're low and every point of mana spent reduces not only lane safety but also damage potential. It allowed him to last hit from range, harass because it has good base damage and he likes the speed buff he gets from it too. The first two are now basically out of question in most situations, meaning his safety is very much impacted by it. It doesn't nerf his all in because that is what the champ is made for. This nerf was aimed at making him worse when behind, giving the enemy more room to capitalize on their own advantage.
> [{quoted}](name=King of Demons,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oVsvkHYm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-21T16:31:43.141+0000) > > Every time he casts W he will have 20 mana less. If he casts it 3 times, he paid as if he used it 4 times basically. It adds up. Look at mana pools in the early game, they're low and every point of mana spent reduces not only lane safety but also damage potential. > > It allowed him to last hit from range, harass because it has good base damage and he likes the speed buff he gets from it too. The first two are now basically out of question in most situations, meaning his safety is very much impacted by it. It doesn't nerf his all in because that is what the champ is made for. This nerf was aimed at making him worse when behind, giving the enemy more room to capitalize on their own advantage. "Making him worse when behind." As if he ever gets behind in lane lmao, like you gotta be playing without hands or a monitor to lose lane as lucian.
: His winrate is 50.65%. In plat+ He really isn’t that strong. -.- he is the 8th highest in the role with the least champions. Edit. Source https://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oVsvkHYm,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-21T16:36:55.150+0000) > > His winrate is 50.65%. In plat+ > > He really isn’t that strong. -.- he is the 8th highest in the role with the least champions. > > > Edit. Source > https://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend Lets not mention the 30% pick rate and ban rate tho LOL. Those stats are beyond broken, the fact he kept this kind of dominance bot lane even with the crit changes shows it.
Rioter Comments
: "Riven has 0 reach into backlines other than flash" Except y'know, 4 dashes on extreemly low cooldowns Or her just hopping a wall to dive the backline Also why does it have to be a flashless riven? Riven with flash just dashes in, flashes, clicks stun and the teamifght is autowon kinda like malph R except she does assasin levels of damage
> [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zp5yRAxZ,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T16:18:16.637+0000) > > "Riven has 0 reach into backlines other than flash" > Except y'know, 4 dashes on extreemly low cooldowns > Or her just hopping a wall to dive the backline > Also why does it have to be a flashless riven? > Riven with flash just dashes in, flashes, clicks stun and the teamifght is autowon kinda like malph R except she does assasin levels of damage Are you silver? Riven dashes are literally 200 range each, with all combined you get basically a normal gap closer worth of distance, and her Q is on a fixed 12s CD at all ranks, and riven actually loses damage if she has to use all of her Qs to get into a target (then she gets into melee range with nothing left). Meanwhile someone like jax can leap strike every 3~4 seconds (or even less with shojin) and then unload all of his kit damage. Why dont you play riven if shes so broken and strong and has no weakness like that? If you did you'd realise all of her weaknesses.
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zp5yRAxZ,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T15:51:13.934+0000) > > What are these weaknesses? Her weakness is she loses lane to kennen like every other champion. (Sarcastic voice here) No. She doesn’t have any weaknesses. If the riven player is even decent at her, she doesn’t have any. Her weakness is entirely dependent on the person player her.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zp5yRAxZ,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T16:08:17.098+0000) > > Her weakness is she loses lane to kennen like every other champion. (Sarcastic voice here) > > No. She doesn’t have any weaknesses. If the riven player is even decent at her, she doesn’t have any. Her weakness is entirely dependent on the person player her. So if the riven player is good enough she can become immune to CC in team fights? Didnt knew that. Riven has 0 reach into back lines without flash, its easy to pin her down with tanks and then kill her with your team before she does anything in team fights, assuming your team isnt 0-30. But yeah, if your team picks a bunch of assassins with no frontline dont be surprised that riven can mop the floor, and that is not riven's fault.
: The fuck are you talking about? https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/8.22/diamond/plus/champion/Riven/Top/ Edit: This one is recent https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build/
> [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zp5yRAxZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-20T15:49:29.828+0000) > > The fuck are you talking about? > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/8.22/diamond/plus/champion/Riven/Top/ We are not in 8.22, so good luck trying to use outdated data to prove your point.
: How is Riven balanced?
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Riven/ 49.9% wr 13% pick rate So broken guys, its easy to make up numbers i know, but the highest WR riven has got in the last year was 53% on the last patch before they re-reworked ER into shojin, which dropped her WR by 3% because its much worse. Anyways, OP is using false data/numbers, where are the mods to remove this thread?
Rioter Comments
: Kayle + why true damage is a good thing
Why does a champ with range aoe AAs, with mixed damage AND mixed shred already need true damage? Its just tacked on for no reason to make her completely overpowered at lvl 16, this is not good design. I dont know why her ult has a random AOE nuke at it too, its just more stuff tacked on into the game for literally no reason.
Rioter Comments
: Urgot is not a tank. Sion is the exception, not the average he only does well because he gets enough hp that conquerer doesn’t matter to him Tanks are absolute garbage because black cleaver, last whisper, void staff, conquerer, insert arbitrary amount of pen here.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RLJczwrV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T01:51:30.651+0000) > > Urgot is not a tank. > > Sion is the exception, not the average he only does well because he gets enough hp that conquerer doesn’t matter to him > > Tanks are absolute garbage because black cleaver, last whisper, void staff, conquerer, insert arbitrary amount of pen here. I never said urgot is a tank, but he builds like 5 tank items and not only that, but he smashes the so called "broken" conqueror users that can completely ignore any resistances and... The truth is, not even conqueror is enough to make bruisers viable in the highest level of play, and tanks are for the most part still better than them, of course boards doesnt have the insight to see this though.
: well but fizz at least still has this 1shot style. and if you can dodge his r (or more likely he misses it) you can fight him. where with akali, all she does is press w and a huge majority of champs cant do anything vs her anymore. and that for a long time every 20 or so seconds
> [{quoted}](name=Jennifer420,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PMr28uRQ,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T01:42:33.055+0000) > > well but fizz at least still has this 1shot style. and if you can dodge his r (or more likely he misses it) you can fight him. > where with akali, all she does is press w and a huge majority of champs cant do anything vs her anymore. and that for a long time every 20 or so seconds The point is that fizz was the opposite of the average "vomit all ur spells in a specific order to instantly kill your target" assassin design, but they made him into an budget, ap zed, its horrible.
Rioter Comments
: conqueror damage items and how playing tanks feels.... not great
Conqueror has completely pushed tanks out of the game, which is why top lane in competitive currently has 0 conqueror users, and is nothing but sion vs urgot. Oh wait, reality would kill boards crusade against conqueror my bad.
: {{champion:266}} isn't far behind
> [{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PMr28uRQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-20T00:46:06.054+0000) > > {{champion:266}} isn't far behind And {{champion:105}} , both "mini" reworks he got were both complete garbage that made the champ a binary mess. It is hilarious on how they acknowledged how shitty the first rework was and then they gave him an equal, or shittier mini rework lmao.
: Riot, didn't we tell you that there's already too much true damage?
She really didnt need it at all, just overloading as usual on new reworks. Her ult also didnt need an aoe nuke into it aswell.
Ralanr (NA)
: Kayle used to shred resistances so I guess this is them making it stronger. At least it’s at level 16. Though it feels like Kayle is a late game champions more reliant on levels than items.
> [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NLWuEWFN,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-19T19:11:43.710+0000) > > Kayle used to shred resistances so I guess this is them making it stronger. > > At least it’s at level 16. Though it feels like Kayle is a late game champions more reliant on levels than items. She still has armor and MR shred on her Q (and her Q is now aoe), this is on top of it.
: Riot, fucking stop it with this true damage shit
Well as if having mixed damage AND shred isnt enough, also need true damage. Shit design imo, another champ that either will be beyond broken or be horribly weak.
Rioter Comments
Jhín (NA)
: Thank you for your response! I don't want Jhin to be broken, I only want him to have meaningful changes that allow him to still be a mid-tier pick from each patch, just as every Champion should be. At the moment, Jhin is either Top-tier, or bottom-tier. There is usually no in-between for him, which in my mind I find to be a design flaw. Winning games should come from being able to use the Champions Kit each game in a meaningful way and being able to adapt the playstyle depending on the ally team, match-ups etc.
> [{quoted}](name=Jhín,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wZx0eVhu,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-02-19T17:37:53.917+0000) > > Thank you for your response! > > I don't want Jhin to be broken, I only want him to have meaningful changes that allow him to still be a mid-tier pick from each patch, just as every Champion should be. At the moment, Jhin is either Top-tier, or bottom-tier. There is usually no in-between for him, which in my mind I find to be a design flaw. Winning games should come from being able to use the Champions Kit each game in a meaningful way and being able to adapt the playstyle depending on the ally team, match-ups etc. Hes already mid tier. And you just suggested a huge buff to him out of nowhere, you cant fool me like htat.
FSRER (EUNE)
: Mages at support role or not are the strongest champions anyways. Brand, has no counter cause you cant counterbuild his insane damage. In fact brand and every mage can with 2 items ({{item:3020}} and {{item:3135}}) can kill a tank with all mr items possible.
> [{quoted}](name=FSRER,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AKe7GT9L,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-02-19T14:06:31.631+0000) > > Mages at support role or not are the strongest champions anyways. Brand, has no counter cause you cant counterbuild his insane damage. In fact brand and every mage can with 2 items ({{item:3020}} and {{item:3135}}) can kill a tank with all mr items possible. Yes, both need to be nerfed.
: Can we corale mages out of the support position
Its not just a low elo thing, mage supports are broken at all levels of play except for competitive where tank supports are even more op. But yeah mages need to get out of top/sup/adc and go back to mid, they are way too strong right now.
Jhín (NA)
: My Thoughts on Balancing Jhin to be a better Champion.
"My main isnt broken anymore please make him broken as shit again so i can climb again" Basically this thread. Why do ppl even upvote this? Like its so blatant.
Necroash (NA)
: Yorick is Broken AF
Hes really op atm, needs to be nerfed.
Glîtchy (NA)
: Why is irelia allowed to dash so many times and basically be a giant "fuck you"?
: Yasuo did not need another shield this early in the game
Repeat with me : PD changes were a nerf to yasuo. Yasuo got stronger because they made IE better for him, and shiv was also buffed a bit.
: Sounds like he has a place now. Im sure it is not auto win tho.
> [{quoted}](name=XXXMurderPenguin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q0zYAbA3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-17T19:41:00.133+0000) > > Sounds like he has a place now. Im sure it is not auto win tho. This shit is toxic, hes not supposed to be the second coming of tank ekko, it was removed from the game for a reason.
Rioter Comments
: 6 at level 1 and every level after. they get more than a ruby crystal on each and every marksmen half of a finished tank items max hp{{item:3194}}
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hEmRBQEZ,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T22:24:45.702+0000) > > 6 at level 1 and every level after. they get more than a ruby crystal on each and every marksmen half of a finished tank items max hp{{item:3194}} Are you seriously comparing that to every adc losing 4~5 armor AT LVL 1 and halving their hp5? You think thats a POSITIVE CHANGE? Wtf.
: Nerfed in items by buffing their crit chance and ad avaliable. nerfed in base stats by increased base hp and less base ad at level 1 and that evens out at level 5 and shoots forward to level 18 and better base attack speed and better attack speed per level. Nerfed{{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} those runes were unbalanced fleet of foot work lethal temo and press the attack were and are too effective on marskmen.
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hEmRBQEZ,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-02-16T22:15:54.579+0000) > > Nerfed in items by buffing their crit chance and ad avaliable. nerfed in base stats by increased base hp and less base ad at level 1 and that evens out at level 5 and shoots forward to level 18 and better base attack speed and better attack speed per level. > Nerfed{{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} They gave them 6 more hp.... And yes, crit got so much better thats why a week in the patch ppl werent playing a single adc bot lane anymore, but bruisers and mages, its just that adcs were so OP that both teams secretly agreed that nobody would pick that broken as fk class right? Like are you actually that delusional?
: vayne mains told me adc items rework would be a nerf to vayne
You just made up that didnt you? Besides, vayne WR didnt even move, neither did lucian and ezreal, aka the already best adcs of the meta.
: > [{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hEmRBQEZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-16T21:15:28.022+0000) > > What? > > They were nerfed both massively in items, runes and base stats, if any class got nerfs like they did they would also become completely useless. > > You think bruisers would still be a thing if they nerfed Conqueror + trinity + steraks + titanic + tiamat + maw/hexdrinker + GA + black cleaver AND their base stats in the same patch? No they are stat check. They got dropped like a rock if at all weak since the better stat check marksmen are the ones to play. There are a few that break this to some degree but take some power out of Vayne and Jinx and those same players who had been playing Vayne and Jinx will switch to Caitlyn and Ashe since they are the best stat check options. The only 3 that truly break away from being stat check are Kai'sa, Kalista and Ezreal with Draven and Lucian to a lesser degree. But then again all of them have their own clearly unique defining factors in how they are played.
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hEmRBQEZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T21:51:50.983+0000) > > No they are stat check. They got dropped like a rock if at all weak since the better stat check marksmen are the ones to play. There are a few that break this to some degree but take some power out of Vayne and Jinx and those same players who had been playing Vayne and Jinx will switch to Caitlyn and Ashe since they are the best stat check options. > > The only 3 that truly break away from being stat check are Kai'sa, Kalista and Ezreal with Draven and Lucian to a lesser degree. But then again all of them have their own clearly unique defining factors in how they are played. No class in the game (not even mages) would survive a nerf like adcs got on 8.11 so again im not sure what you are talking about, what does that has to do with anything? Is this just a blind anti adc bias thread? It was the patch with the biggest nerfs to a single class in the history of the game if im not mistaken.
: Urgot's not op and he has actual counterplay. You just hate no flashy champs being good
> [{quoted}](name=kingDeDeDarius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0zh091M,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-12T14:44:46.901+0000) > > Urgot's not op and he has actual counterplay. You just hate no flashy champs being good Urgot has a fucking dash though, and aoe soft AND hard cc. And is ranged, as a fking juggernaut. Hes like darius and garen except with none of their weaknesses.
: The fact that the crit item change in season 8 make most marksmen "weak"
What? They were nerfed both massively in items, runes and base stats, if any class got nerfs like they did they would also become completely useless. You think bruisers would still be a thing if they nerfed Conqueror + trinity + steraks + titanic + tiamat + maw/hexdrinker + GA + black cleaver AND their base stats in the same patch?
: Do you actually believe what you post ? I know there are levels of being delusional but usually a human should have a doubt
> [{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2MwwOEYy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-16T01:26:51.061+0000) > > Do you actually believe what you post ? > I know there are levels of being delusional but usually a human should have a doubt I mean i wish but hes actually right again lol. Cheap armor items are too powerful to the point something as stupid as conqueror has to exist to make bruisers viable, which is the truth. Bramble vest one of the worst designed items in the game, true. Mage items in full "glass cannon" builds are not only cheap but also gives tons of survivability, also true. Mage items for the most part are just straight up better than AD, like how void is so much better than LDR, again truth backed by numbers (LDR more expensive and gives less damage), also Hourglass is much better than GA. Mages abusing aftershock to death in competitive (ryze/liss/galio) true again. You could point wheres hes wrong here?
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 15
How about irelia meddler? Are you ok with her current spot? She seems fine as shes a bit better in the top lane and terrible mid now, still i kind of wish you guys atleast gave her W passive stack on activation back, now that the passive is up to 5 and you get no damage before 5. I dont think that would push her over the line and would make her 1v1s a bit better without minions (i mean, if she hits her whole kit she SHOULD be rewarded with full power passive, why not? As it is you end with 4 stacks if you dont have ult even if you hit everything)
DunkProphet (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=00230000,timestamp=2019-02-15T14:29:29.967+0000) > > You mean a 270 heal at lvl 3 is not opressive? > > The spell is opressive at all points if hes lvling it first. Yeah but every Sylas maxs Q first, or else its basically a glorified Slap
> [{quoted}](name=DunkProphet,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=002300000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T15:13:17.731+0000) > > Yeah but every Sylas maxs Q first, or else its basically a glorified Slap You dont need the Q if you go grasp. You just spam W + grasp to win basically top lane, nobody can outsustain that shit and he has basically 0 mana costs, use Q as waveclear and passive proc.
: The worst part about the heal Sylas has is that it is only oppressive late in the laning phase, like levels 7 to 11. Before then it isn't too noticeable, and after that in the late game he just dies instantly anyways. It could use something like level scaling or total hp scaling in exchange for losing some of the growth per ability rank.
> [{quoted}](name=Thalm Kench,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2019-02-14T22:41:33.085+0000) > > The worst part about the heal Sylas has is that it is only oppressive late in the laning phase, like levels 7 to 11. Before then it isn't too noticeable, and after that in the late game he just dies instantly anyways. > > It could use something like level scaling or total hp scaling in exchange for losing some of the growth per ability rank. You mean a 270 heal at lvl 3 is not opressive? The spell is opressive at all points if hes lvling it first.
: Why Urgot changes on PBE shouldn't go through (at least yet)
Urgot has been broken as shit for over half a year, he absolutely need those nerfs.
: Planned Karthus nerfs
He needs more nerfs than that, this is nothing for how broken he is rn.
Rioter Comments
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-02-13T09:39:07.473+0000) > > Riven has 0 sustain on her kit lmao. > > And half of sylas E is riven E whole ability. > > Imagine if riven E also gave her 500 health per cast on top of the shield, then she would be on par with a new champion kit! Shields are considered 'sustain' to my knowledge. Sylas's E isnt even the heal... Do you know what Sylas does?
> [{quoted}](name=Paroe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-02-13T09:46:45.007+0000) > > Shields are considered 'sustain' to my knowledge. > Sylas's E isnt even the heal... Do you know what Sylas does? His E is a shield, the W is the heal. The point is that he has that gigantic heal ON TOP OF ALSO HAVING A RIVEN E ON HIS KIT, very rarely champs have BOTH heal and shield, specially this much of it (and sylas E is only half of the spell) while riven has absolutely no sustain on her kit and a below average hp/5 because she has her E, new champs dont have to follow those power tradeoffs tho. Its pure powercreep.
Paroe (NA)
: Isnt it amazing how scaling sustain works? Maybe you should take a nice long look at other scaling sustain. Like Fiora. And Riven. And maybe even good old warwick. And lifesteal.
> [{quoted}](name=Paroe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-13T08:50:22.932+0000) > > Isnt it amazing how scaling sustain works? > > Maybe you should take a nice long look at other scaling sustain. Like Fiora. And Riven. And maybe even good old warwick. And lifesteal. Riven has 0 sustain on her kit lmao. And half of sylas E is riven E whole ability. Imagine if riven E also gave her 500 health per cast on top of the shield, then she would be on par with a new champion kit!
: Mages taking over top lane.
Mages are taking over the WHOLE map and its a huge problem.
Rioter Comments
: I feel like 9.2 was one of the most balanced and healthy patch we've had for a long time
But the strongest adcs in the game are still lucian and ezreal. So nothing changed from 9.2, other than some ppl are now trying to play lower tier ADs because of the new crit items, in a few weeks you'll see nothing but lucian and ezreal again since the are still better.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: They honestly should've just hit klepto Now you need yo have someone with you to be able to get gold from spellthief and you can't get gold if you adc recalls etc
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PucEfK71,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-12T13:10:46.981+0000) > > They honestly should've just hit klepto > > Now you need yo have someone with you to be able to get gold from spellthief and you can't get gold if you adc recalls etc Why are you not recalling when your adc recalls? If you play support correctly this is basically a non issue, theres no reason for you to stay 1v2 in the lane, you can always go mid, roam to get some wards or simply recall and go back to lane with your adcs.
: Tell me that promos aren't rigged ?
This season has been kind of irritating for me. In plat 1 ~d4 elo ive been getting 50/50 games, 1 winninable game (which i DO win most of the time, since im a former d1 player) and then 1 auto loss right after (afk, 0-15-0 bot lane in 10 mins, inters, just any flavor of completely unwinnable game), having this shit over 15 games got REALLY annoying, since every win i have to work hard to hard carry gets erased by an auto loss right after.
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