: Trying to play tanks or Nasus top lane is miserable
You're not supposed to beat bruisers in lane, or be able to 1v1 them. That is not your strength. If you want a tank that can do that, play ornn or sion. They have a weaker late game so they can have a better early and mid. As for Nasus, he's actually in a really good spot right now. You're probably, as in are, just playing him improperly.
: One Morde thread to rule them all
All this talk about a Morde rework is good shit. But let's not even consider a rework for a second. Let's take Riot's statement about how they're not reworking Mordekaiser. You know what, that's their priority. But why is Mordekaiser not ever allowed to be a strong champion? He hasn't been strong since the juggernaut rework back when he was op in LCS, because of his XP passive and his old synergy with runes. Then pre season hit, all his runes got taken away, and his, "stat adjustment," gave him LESS than old runes gave him, when every single other champion in the game got either the same or even MORE in cases like leona and supports. He's okay now. But Fleet is not Mordeakiser playstyle or fantasy. It's a sustain type playstyle with very little damage. And I know technically this means Riot's rune rework was a "success," because Morde has different playstyles. But the reason I take fleet is because he loses every trade top into things like fiora, Jax, Kled, and the most obvious one, Garen (one he used to dumpster. Now he gets dumpstered). They all used to be skill matchups, Now you just get beat, so you either are going to need to gimp yourself with nerfed Aery, or take the sustain route through fleet. He needs a base stat adjustment. He has needed one for far too long. He needs 10 more movespeed, more armor, and more scaling HP. His armor and MR are meant to be low. They were never very high. But his Health pool was, and there's no reason for him to be so slow as a melee champion. The reason his move speed is so low is because he was designed to be a bot laner, and with W active, it boost your movespeed way up, so it was Riot's idea to give him meaningful cooldowns and window for power. He is not a bot laner any longer. So he needs movespeed so he can keep up with his opponents.
kopycat (NA)
: Does anyone know where I could find a Support coach?
I will do it. I main top but honestly I'm a good support as well.
: not looking for people that want to boost me or people that want to charge me money for set amount of time just looking for a freindly honest person to help me out a little here and there. please have a gold or higher account that your gonna talk to me on sorry too many bonze have tried to help me and they have been way worse then me
I am here for your woes young one
: > [{quoted}](name=BobaFlautist,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9KAE6db1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-06T15:56:55.457+0000) > > Wait you play Kench? Literally just stand on your adc and press w when you see his e animation, it's not hard lol. > > Nautilus, I feel your pain, his animations are so damn slow. Not everyone has Matrix reflexes, in this meta every squishy dies in less than a second
So counterplay exist but you don't know how to execute it? Sounds to me like you're just bad. Not that the game is problematic
: Nerf Irelia now
Lmao the boards actually got something right for once in a long time. Yes, irelia is far too strong right now. Simply put, her kit is entirely overloaded, and I don't know who thought it was a good idea to give her so many tools. Her ult allows her dashes to whoever it hits, which is usually multiple targets. Her E also gives her another. She disarms you with her ultimate (why?) and has 300% bonus damage to shields, which is probably the dumbest thing riot has added. If they want shields to be weak, nerf shields. The last thing this game needs is another grevious wounds mechanic. And why is this only on one champion? A test? What the fuck possible data could you get by putting this on one champion? She just has too many tools, and she's going to be incredibly hard to balance going in the future.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YyaKpEoN,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-05-28T05:52:53.022+0000) > > That's the point of this damn game. You're telling me that someone who takes three scuttles (because the first one is given to you unless you choose to fight for one) and is level 6 first shouldn't be able to take your shit? He OUTPLAYED YOU. He is beating you. If you can't contest scuttle gank his laners. It's not a hard concept to grasp. > > The jungle changes were buffs if anything. Buffs how...all the experience was nerfed down.
You get more experience if you get a decent amount of scuttles. I'm frequently the highest level on the map. A flex game I played had a D2 jungler and a D3 jungler (one being me) and we were both highest level on the map. It's really not hard if you know what you're doing. This was something not that common before scuttle changes.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YyaKpEoN,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-05-28T05:52:53.022+0000) > > That's the point of this damn game. You're telling me that someone who takes three scuttles (because the first one is given to you unless you choose to fight for one) and is level 6 first shouldn't be able to take your shit? He OUTPLAYED YOU Bro this comment is a dead give away that you don't really play JG all that much. Better jungler doesn't get the crab, jungler with the better mid laner gets that crab.
You can look at my op.gg. I clearly play jungle. It's my second most played role. I get filled there more frequently the higher I go because of that lack of players. I'm pretty sure you just don't like that a better smarter player is telling you that these are buffs. This is the best state jungle has been in a long time. It not only become more fun and more satisfying to play, it became more punishing, thus rewarding the better player. You are silver 2. If you aren't winning 100% of your games, your game knowledge is severely lacking. That's probably why you see these as nerfs. But that's not the case. If you are the better player you can now completely take over the game. Which should be GREAT for you because you can completely solo carry in silver. Now it's just easier.
: It's a nerf the jg timing, exp and pathing. You're able to smash the other jungler now because once you take a scuttle or two you're a level ahead then able to invade and take all his camps It shows even more when your laners are winning, shoving or helping as you fight in the river or invade but jg has much less impact and pressure at all times of the game now
That's the point of this damn game. You're telling me that someone who takes three scuttles (because the first one is given to you unless you choose to fight for one) and is level 6 first shouldn't be able to take your shit? He OUTPLAYED YOU. He is beating you. If you can't contest scuttle gank his laners. It's not a hard concept to grasp. The jungle changes were buffs if anything.
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticLlamaZ,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YyaKpEoN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-28T03:18:45.299+0000) > > I think you are jungling wrong if you hit 6 when laners are level 9 XD Nothing to help getting a leash stolen, your gromp stolen, dying at the gromp, and dying because you are still level 1 at the next camp.
Sounds like you did a shit ton of things wrong to me.
: You Really Thought Nerfing The Jungle Was The Solution
The jungle patch is not a nerf. It's a readjustment. You think it's a nerf because you can get behind now. That's something jungle only players aren't actually accustomed to. In fact, I'd argue the jungle is STRONGER after the changes. But I never thought jungle was a toxic role because of how weak or strong it is. I thought it was toxic because there was no real punishment for getting behind. Now there is. Let me give you an example from one of my solo que games earlier today. I was playing Rengar, he was playing Kindred. By the time the game was over, I was the highest level on the map, and I had outleveled the kindred by an entire 5 levels. I got this by taking every scuttle, winning every lane, and taking every objective. And of course, now that Kindred is gonna get on the boards and whine and moan about how hard they got outpathed and mechanically outplayed. Players like that kindred don't like risk. Because previously the jungle was all reward. No risk. You didn't have to contest your jungle camps frequently, while in every other lane, literally EVERY single minion is contested. EVERY SINGLE DROP of gold is contested. As a jungler you just hit shit. Another example because I know a bunch of salty players are gonna say I counter kindred (it's the opposite btw). I also played rammus jungle just before this. Obviously you'd say the jax has the advantage when it comes to early 1v1's, at least if you understand the matchup, so it wasn't like I could fight for every scuttle. But what I COULD do was gank the other side of the map with no counter gank potential. I was playing a slow clearing champ that's generally regarded as pretty shit early on and still managed to win the game, which the boards claims is basically impossible. I've also played moakai into lee sin and done the same. These jungle changes punish bad play and reward good play. If you play the jungle far better than your opponent, it now shows, just like it shows in every other position. You're whining because you can be put behind and punished. Well, welcome to league of legends friend. Hope you learn to enjoy your stay.
: A Thread about Terrible Junglers
The simplest fix is allowing their abilities to do bonus damage to monsters. I know riot doesn't like things like these, but it seems fine to me. The only possible drawback is mids farming jungle camps, but they can do that now anyway.
: Shen Buff for next patch
Shen needs no buffs.
: Why is Sion not allowed to have a strong point in the game??
Wait, are you serious? Sion was meta, as in, S tier for like 10 patches. He's still a very good top lane tank, actually, the BEST top lane tank for solo que. Sions strongest point is his early game, and since he should have had a free lane early, he scales better than his lane opponent once mid game comes. I also don't know what you're saying when you claim he's bad late game. I don't think you actually know what that word means. Mordekaiser is bad late game. Quinn is bad late game. Sion is not bad late game. He's just not some irelia or camille. You can actively carry games late as sion, and mid, and especailly early. This seems like a Low elo QQ thread. You're not losing games because of your champion pick friend. You're losing them because you're bad at the game.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0QB6ozkW,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-27T05:50:03.165+0000) > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Udyr/Jungle/ > > I'm telling you udyr does in fact need a nerf. More like a readjustment. Pheonix needs buffed. His overall damage with tiger needs to go down though. Why, stop letting him engage on you, kite him, on that note, once again, what am I supposed to be looking at here because if we are basing it purely on win rate, Quinn and Wukong also need nerfs.
They have lower than 1% pickrates, other than wukongs (which is usually 1%, so the fact that it's now 7% with an astronomical winrate should tell you something), and he's been gradually buffed to the point where I'm seeing him in my solo que games regularly, so he's far from this weak pick you're trying to say he is. You can name off his weaknesses like that's relavent. But it's not. Just because he has those weaknesses doesn't suddenly make him balanced. Every single champion in this game has a weakness. That's not the point. The point is if that weakness warrents his current strenghts. And in the case of udyr, it currently DOES NOT.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=report yasuo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0QB6ozkW,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-27T05:46:36.366+0000) > > http://champion.gg/champion/Udyr/Jungle maybe this will help like are u an Udyr main or something he is clearly broken? I'm not an Udyr main, but what am I supposed to be looking at here, the win rate? Alright, based off win rate then we need to nerf Wukong and Quinn then.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Udyr/Jungle/ I'm telling you udyr does in fact need a nerf. More like a readjustment. Pheonix needs buffed. His overall damage with tiger needs to go down though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8ywoLcpk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-25T03:19:07.029+0000) > > Hopefully never. Because it's not broken. It's actually put the game in a very solid state. > > And you lost your promos because you are the worse player. I don't know what your rank is, and I'm not going to bother checking, but unless you are low/mid diamond and up, literally every single game you play is winnable. when supports/ adc / junglers / mids / top are taking it i think it would be broken no other word for it
You mean its viable on multiple champs like every keystone? Riddle me shocked.
: Conq nerf when?
Hopefully never. Because it's not broken. It's actually put the game in a very solid state. And you lost your promos because you are the worse player. I don't know what your rank is, and I'm not going to bother checking, but unless you are low/mid diamond and up, literally every single game you play is winnable.
Elohaven (NA)
: Some people said 2018 damage is a lot more than Season 5,4,3
There hasn't been an increase in damage ever really. Only time there was: when they scrapped the old masteries for keystones. That was when electro, DFT, all that shit got added.
: Hi! Last one for now, I promise. I've had to edit this one too, because you're getting really overboard with insulting people. Please, PLEASE familiarise yourself with the [Universal Rules](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4LgZ2EwM-universal-rules) so we don't run into this problem anymore. If you have questions, feel free to talk to us in the The [Boards Moderation Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/qVlculPP-boards-moderation-discord) or the [Discuss the Boards](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation) sub-board.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=000600050000,timestamp=2018-05-17T14:42:57.376+0000) > > I do play jungle. I have a 70% winrate on it average. Why don't I play it? For the reasons I listed. It's boring. I get rewarded for almost nothing. I go around killing things and countering the other jungler. Whippy... there's no trading, no wave management, no challenge. > > As for my support winrate its 80%. I mainly play sion support so yeah. I know what it's like to play support in a losing lane. It's not that bad. Cause I main top. And a losing lane in top is 10 times worse than any other role. > > These are obviously small sample sizes. So I'm not just some god. But to suggest I'm bad at it is just wrong. I'm "sure" you have 70% and 80% win rates. *eyeroll* Honestly though play what you enjoy, but don't bash a role just because you get salty over the game. Also it's your opinion on what is tougher (or easier) in terms of bot lane and top lane. There are different champions, different match ups, different support items, different junglers each game, and a whole host of things. Perhaps you were just playing against some really bad people and think you were better than you were? Playing against an autofilled support and/or adc isn't the same as a dedicated main. The jungle changes, regardless of your whining are luck based, terribly weighted, and shift the focus on which laner will roam and which will not. How would you like it if you couldn't take an enemy turret unless the jungler or adc was there? You could damage it sure but it had this huge defensive buff that negated 80% of your damage, and you needed someone else to play your role. That's how stupid these changes are. Honestly they wouldn't even need to nerf the jungle exp if you laners warded and paid attention half the time.
<Removed by Moderation> You are literally staring at my op.gg, looking at my 66% winrate in the jungle currently, over 12 games played, and telling me, straight to the face, that I don't have a 70% winrate. You are not a better jungler than me. I am not saying this because I can't jungle. I am not saying this because I don't jungle. For these reasons, I have no interest in discoursing with you further. <Removed by Moderation>
: You are a piece of work. Be respectful.
I don't think calling someone who is objectively bad at something, bad, in order to help them improve is a negative thing. It's a common coaching tactic in lol. Saying someone is doing something wrong or bad. Thinking wrong or bad. If you never tell them it, they will never improve. You can apply this shit philosophy of yours if you'd like. But I'm not going to. I think everyone should deserve to be the best that they can be. <Removed by Moderation>
: No, they aren't. Be nice.
<Removed by Moderation> People can be bad at something. That's life. Are you actually gonna sit here and tell me that people can't be bad at things to, "be nice?"
: That's not nice. Learn to be respectful. Don't ever call people bad players again or that their opinion doesn't matter. **It does matter.**
People are objectively bad players. I'll call someone a bad player if they are a bad player. In order for there to be good there has to be bads.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FzPl4BIU,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:29:12.395+0000) > > Mages are perfectly viable right now. If you don&#x27;t see this you are delusional and bad at the game. Wow. Be respectful. That's not nice at all.
It's not meant to be nice really. It's just a video game first off. If you're bad at it you have nothing to be ashamed of. But that doesn't mean that you're opinion on game balance matters much.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:35:27.398+0000) > > Oh, God forbid your blatantly overpowered role got tuned down to an acceptable level. What you are experiencing is something Laners have to deal with on a daily basis: It&#x27;s called getting behind. Previously, your entire role was PvE. You fucking farmed jungle camps. There was no challenge. It was the same thing every game. Same two paths every game, either a level 4 clear, or level 3 clear into gank. > > Now pathing changes up based on gamestate. Now You can get behind for poor play, rather than just farming camps and staying at least even in levels all game. Welcome to a new experience. What you&#x27;re experiencing is called league of legends. Where you actually get punished for doing poorly. Just like a top laner gets punished if he dies twice, you get punished if you lose every scuttle. > > Jungle has been too strong for too long. Bad players are an entire 9 divisions higher than they should be because of this one role. Put a jungle only player in a lane and they will feed and be useless all game. Put a laner in the jungle and 9 times out 10 you get an acceptable if not a better than average performance. And that&#x27;s because jungle is too strong. So it inflates players winrates and thus their elo. Here we see in the wilds the rare and elusive Salt-Goat. Notice how their nostrils enrage and enlarge remembering they died to ganks because of not warding. If you listen closely you can hear the labored mouth breathing as they try to comprehend other peoples points of view, and while he failed let us commend him for trying. Careful, as he exhales toxic air comes out, but don't breathe in his rant, all you need to do is step away and examine what he said and you can clearly tell that he's been smashed by other junglers and is angry about others being better than him. ------------------- In all seriousness though you're pretty damn salty. What us junglers are complaining about is we don't like the randomness of scuttler, we don't like how the entire agency of role is gone. Instead of the jungler being about junglers, it is instead which lane is good enough to realize that constant river and jungle battles will break out from this bad change, and which will be smart enough to grab some free kills or at the very least smart enough to diffuse some free kills the enemy would have attained. --------------- > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=00060001000000020000,timestamp=2018-05-17T11:13:58.475+0000) > > I&#x27;m not saying jungle is EASY. I am saying jungle is unpunishing and thus bad players climb too high with it with improper play. It is by far the easiest role to get carried from. So you get a bunch of bad players in it. > > And junglers don&#x27;t just make me int. I play around the enemy junglers really well. A lot of people see me play morde top and ask how I deal with the ganks and it&#x27;s because I track their pathing, and as an experienced jungle player myself, think about what they&#x27;re currently doing. I&#x27;ve had multiple instances where I know I&#x27;m being ganked with no vision. High elo top laners often have this skill. I have it. > > I just think jungle has turned into a toxic role with no skill and too much reward. It&#x27;s the only role in the game like that other than support currently. I hate rewarding play for doing nothing. As laners have to fight for literally every minion. Supports and junglers get their shit uncontested. That&#x27;s not healthy. > > This was the most sound reply in this entire thread though. Good job. It&#x27;s actually a completely respectable response. Another uneducated post. Supports and Junglers get their shit free? Have you ever tried to play support and proc a relic shield in a losing lane, or grab a coin when one of the supports has some nasty CC? I'll assume that you dodge your support filled games because you can't be bothered to fill a position once. Only way you can make a claim that uneducated. If jungle has it so easy, so gifted, then why not play it?
I do play jungle. I have a 70% winrate on it average. Why don't I play it? For the reasons I listed. It's boring. I get rewarded for almost nothing. I go around killing things and countering the other jungler. Whippy... there's no trading, no wave management, no challenge. As for my support winrate its 80%. I mainly play sion support so yeah. I know what it's like to play support in a losing lane. It's not that bad. Cause I main top. And a losing lane in top is 10 times worse than any other role. These are obviously small sample sizes. So I'm not just some god. But to suggest I'm bad at it is just wrong.
: New jungle screws over any jungler that can't duel at level 2
You don't have to fight for scuttle actually. There's two on the map level 1. You can opt to get the one not being contested by seeing where the enemy jungler starts. After that, It's competely fair that a duelist early game jungler has an advantage over you well... early. And it's not like you can't do anything. If you know he's on scuttle bot side, that's a gank top side uncontested. Which is extremely powerful. I know in lower MMR's you don't really think or have to worry about counter ganks, but they are a very real thing with proper play. Every gank I make I have to think about if it's being countered. Often times I'll be sitting in a bush to counter a gank myself. It does happen, and when it does, it often ends up in your team getting screwed if you are on the receiving end. You deserve to be behind a lee sin if you are playing something like sejuani early on. It's just like what laners have to deal with. Sometimes laners have to face a jayce. Obviously you can BEAT the jayce, but it's much harder and not on even footing. That's because his power budget is meant to be strong early.
pryda022 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2018-05-17T02:24:42.133+0000) > > Supports are overpowered right now, more specifically enchantresses. They currently face the issue that jungle had until this patch; a bunch of reward for no effort. They literally get gold for walking around with their starter items. If that doesn&#x27;t scream bullshit I don&#x27;t know what does. They also have the cheapest items in the game. Huge issue in my opinion. > > Morde is currently in a really weak state. Not that I care too much, because I&#x27;m nowhere near a one trick. The people I stream for enjoy morde so I play morde. I&#x27;m also trying to be the guy that gets morde top to Master tier. I can see it working so far. > > And no one that gets to High diamond lacks game knowledge. No one. They can be biased. But they do have the knowledge. They can just choose to ignore said knowledge. > > I would argue top and mid lane are the most mechanically intensive roles in the game. Top lane has the most diverse champion pool in the entire game. In order to play top effectively you have to understand hundreds of matchups at a very fine level. I&#x27;ve played every role in this game besides ADC, and that&#x27;s only because I don&#x27;t like ADC&#x27;s farm centric playstyle. I used to one trick Azir. Bet you didn&#x27;t know that. I also used to one trick Jungle. Bet you didn&#x27;t know that either. I used to main Gangplank as well. One tricked him all the way to diamond, mainly playing him mid. > > Out of all those roles I would say top is the most difficult and also the most rewarding. Support can be relaxing, and I did enjoy it as a secondary role. Never mained it. But I haven&#x27;t lost a support game on my main in quite some time. Not that I play it often but the times do arise when I get autofilled there. > > Btw, morde is no longer a lane bully really. Ever since pre season he can be beat by a lot of things. It&#x27;s his mid game and dragon power spike that are so great now. > > I have no idea how mechanics even got pulled up in whatever this was. It was just an Ad hominem attack really. And it failed on all fronts. You&#x27;ll find me as a lot of things, but hypocritical will never be one of them. Wasn’t an ad hominem attack was using the same broad generalization that you used to say jungle and support players are much worse then there ranks because there role is op. I was making a bad argument with your logic Showing how dumb it sounds. I don’t really think any diamond 2 player can be bad mechanically. And Since Morde is a hard champ to learn and master but not mechanically intensive I mention it. I have to disagree with you about top lane being the hardest too lane. Most champs are very straight forward to itemization and use there level advantage and tankiness to prevent being punished for poor position and map awareness. Jungle has to know there own match ups plus know when they can 2v2 or not. Secondly they have to judge minion waves to know when certainly angles will be open to gank. Farm one extra camp miss your time stand around waiting to long be inefficient. Most jungle mains have more game knowledge for there rank then other positions. You are clearly just bias for whatever reason, I dunno why maybe your play style leads to junglers effecting your lane more then you would like? because based on your logic if you started 1 tricking kha6 or graves you would be masters or challenger in your next 50 games. Am I right?
I'm not saying jungle is EASY. I am saying jungle is unpunishing and thus bad players climb too high with it with improper play. It is by far the easiest role to get carried from. So you get a bunch of bad players in it. And junglers don't just make me int. I play around the enemy junglers really well. A lot of people see me play morde top and ask how I deal with the ganks and it's because I track their pathing, and as an experienced jungle player myself, think about what they're currently doing. I've had multiple instances where I know I'm being ganked with no vision. High elo top laners often have this skill. I have it. I just think jungle has turned into a toxic role with no skill and too much reward. It's the only role in the game like that other than support currently. I hate rewarding play for doing nothing. As laners have to fight for literally every minion. Supports and junglers get their shit uncontested. That's not healthy. This was the most sound reply in this entire thread though. Good job. It's actually a completely respectable response.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-05-17T01:47:59.247+0000) > > You are wrong. You have no semblance of game balance whatsoever. I can play any role in the elo you currently reside and hit a 100% winrate. What does that mean? It means that you can&#x27;t possibly know anything about gameplay health. There is nothing you can discern from it. Nothing you can gain from it. Your individual preformance in such a mediocre elo has nothing to do with the game as a whole. This is an ad hominem. Therefore it can be completely ignored in itself. If the individual makes a valid argument, their background has no relevancy. > > The fact that you think top lane is easier to carry from than jungle means you are just delusional, and have lost all rights to a legitimate pony in this discussion, or argument. Another ad hominem. Can safely ignore about half of what the guy says outside of the second paragraph.
It is not Ad hominem and I'll tell you why. Silver players and challenger players have to deal with very different things. I still smurf in silver occasionally. I remember BEING silver. And you know something? I miss it. I wish I still WAS silver. Bit of an odd statement, but it makes sense when you consider the following: Silver players play a completely different game. There is no meta in silver. People play what they want. It's more chill in silver. A lot less rage. You can play anything first time and do just as well as you're one trick opponent. It was great. The game was super casual and chill. It was all about who could kill each other the most and then get the nexus as a side point. Even if people were try harding they didn't know what they were actually doing so it didn't matter much. The biggest part about that paragrpaph is the meta comment. I see Darius almost every game in Gold and below. Yasuo too. It's odd. Lots of vaynes. Just weird shit. Nobody plays the meta. They play what they like. And I respect that a lot, but that means they don't really SEE game balance. And they never will. A champ could be the most op shit on the planet and they may never even see it. They ban weird shit. Never do I see people ban actual bannable shit. It's always dumbass things that hardly ever see play where I'm from. So it's not Ad Hominem because it's like some random guy on his couch trying to say he knows more than a professional football analyst. He can think that, and the random guy on his couch might even be RIGHT from time to time, but that's often due to sheer luck. Nothing more. We have something similar going on here. The equivalent of some random guy on his couch saying he knows more about balance than me. And he never will. Not until he GETS higher elo. And then he'll be saying the exact same shit as me. I know he will be.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2018-05-17T02:24:42.133+0000) > > Supports are overpowered right now, more specifically enchantresses. They currently face the issue that jungle had until this patch; a bunch of reward for no effort. They literally get gold for walking around with their starter items. If that doesn&#x27;t scream bullshit I don&#x27;t know what does. They also have the cheapest items in the game. Huge issue in my opinion. > > Morde is currently in a really weak state. Not that I care too much, because I&#x27;m nowhere near a one trick. The people I stream for enjoy morde so I play morde. I&#x27;m also trying to be the guy that gets morde top to Master tier. I can see it working so far. > > And no one that gets to High diamond lacks game knowledge. No one. They can be biased. But they do have the knowledge. They can just choose to ignore said knowledge. > > I would argue top and mid lane are the most mechanically intensive roles in the game. Top lane has the most diverse champion pool in the entire game. In order to play top effectively you have to understand hundreds of matchups at a very fine level. I&#x27;ve played every role in this game besides ADC, and that&#x27;s only because I don&#x27;t like ADC&#x27;s farm centric playstyle. I used to one trick Azir. Bet you didn&#x27;t know that. I also used to one trick Jungle. Bet you didn&#x27;t know that either. I used to main Gangplank as well. One tricked him all the way to diamond, mainly playing him mid. > > Out of all those roles I would say top is the most difficult and also the most rewarding. Support can be relaxing, and I did enjoy it as a secondary role. Never mained it. But I haven&#x27;t lost a support game on my main in quite some time. Not that I play it often but the times do arise when I get autofilled there. > > Btw, morde is no longer a lane bully really. Ever since pre season he can be beat by a lot of things. It&#x27;s his mid game and dragon power spike that are so great now. > > I have no idea how mechanics even got pulled up in whatever this was. It was just an Ad hominem attack really. And it failed on all fronts. You&#x27;ll find me as a lot of things, but hypocritical will never be one of them. Got a stream link? I'd be interested in checking it out.
Same thing as my name. I don't believe I'm allowed to post it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2018-05-17T02:24:42.133+0000) > They literally get gold for walking around with their starter items. Technically, we all get gold just for standing around. Hyuk! > Morde is currently in a really weak state. Not that I care too much, because I&#x27;m nowhere near a one trick. The next champion you play you have a 48% winrate with. You're a one-trick. > I&#x27;m also trying to be the guy that gets morde top to Master tier. I can see it working so far. Confidence? Respectable. Something tells me you don't have proper game knowledge for that, however. > > And no one that gets to High diamond lacks game knowledge. No one. They can be biased. But they do have the knowledge. They can just choose to ignore said knowledge. Mmmm! Uhhh... This is NA. I say this as a guy whose beaten multiple self-proclaimed and few proven "smurfs" of the kind who're even Masters. Actually fuck that! This is coming from a guy who's watched High elo Korean players miss out on a huge lead- not for any part of them being necessarily "bad" players. But entirely because they didn't think or know about that specific thing they could've done. NA diamond players... Very bad just on their own. But even moreso they are fucking dumb. They don't know the first thing about the game. Huge joke to even suggest it. > > I would argue top and mid lane are the most mechanically intensive roles in the game. Maokai and Galio are some really hard champions yeah. Hah! All jokes aside I... I agree. Yeah, I pretty much agree except I'd say Mid is single-handedly the most mechanically intensive role. Hands down. Top lane has the most diverse champion pool in the entire game. In order to play top effectively you have to understand hundreds of matchups at a very fine level. Diverse champion pool? Yeah. Matchups? Nah... Not in this region. For the most part, you either pick Darius and pubstomp or pick Ornn and... pubstomp. > I&#x27;ve played every role in this game besides ADC 8 years... You'd think you'd try it out for one game. Sheesh! > I used to one trick Azir. No you didn't. You only played him a few games. Unless it's back around seasons 1-4 in which case you didn't even play ranked. So, kind of doesn't matter. > I also used to one trick Jungle. No you didn't. You probably mainly played Rengar in the jungle. Bit of Udyr. I'm inclined to assume that a small portion of Rengar games was Rengar top. At that time, you mainly played Morde just as you do now. > Bet you didn&#x27;t know that either. I used to main Gangplank as well. One tricked him all the way to diamond, mainly playing him mid. No you didn't. Unless you mean in season 7 and you happened to win your final 2 promo games with him. Then, sure you technically did. But you only played about 10 games. And you lost the other 8. Most of the games you played last season also was just Mordekaiser games. > > Out of all those roles I would say top is the most difficult and also the most rewarding. You'd have to kill the enemy top laner, like, 3 times in a row before you can effectively snowball top lane. It couldn't be less rewarding considering the game-state is entirely dependent on snowballing the game as fast as possible. > I have no idea how mechanics even got pulled up in whatever this was. It was just an Ad hominem attack really. And it failed on all fronts. You&#x27;ll find me as a lot of things, but hypocritical will never be one of them. Hypocritical? Maybe not. But you're certainly the biggest lying sack-of-shit I've ever seen in my entire life. Cheers mate!
Okay, first off, this whole post was going based on the assumption that I only have one account. And to that I have to say, that's fair. It's obviously the best assumption you can make based on the information that you were given. As for my GP account, it was banned awhile back, I think, unless one of these accounts I'm about to give you have Gangplanked played last couple seasons. My mastery points on my main account alone are above 50k on him. Add in the others it'll probably reach over a 100 easy. Also, I've only been playing since season 5... I gold Gold 5 then. Now I'm diamond 2. And I've just now started treating the game like something I WANT to get master tier and that's because I quit my job and currently have no other goal set. But you don't get to tell someone what they can and can't do. Makes you seem like a pretentious prick. In fact, last time someone told me this, they said I would never get platinum when I was gold 5 on these very boards. I did it in one season. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Homicidal+Turkey http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Chickenshavers http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=tlde http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=PrepareYourAzirs Those stats are not one trick stats. Calling me a one trick because of what I choose to play is like calling TF blade a one trick because he mainly plays Irelia and Akali. It's just not true. He chooses to play them cause he gets the most enjoyment and elo out of them, but he can play anything he wants. I do suck dick at singed though, I'll be real with you. Furthermore, I made an account called, "PrepareYourAzirs," because I was planning on making it my azir one trick account then he got reworked. And I didnt' like it. Also, I'm friends with PS 01 because of my past history mainging Azir. I have all kinds of Azir friends, have streamed hundreds of hours of azir, and had people come by specifically asking me to play azir when I quit. If you don't believe me, get on the azir mains subreddit. Unless they removed my stream link, I should still be there. I mained jungle in season 5. I mained udyr. Then Nidalee. Then Rengar. They were incredibly fun to me and I enjoyed it. I started playing top lane after I saw dekar dumpster people up there with rengar. I found it much more fun and rewarding than jungle ever could be. After that I saw LCS and watched decent Azir play and picked him up. From there I journeyed in mid. And that's besides the point. You can beat smurfs all you want. You can think they're making mistakes. If you were really better than them you'd be higher elo. But you're not. Because you're not better than them. Me and you are on completely other levels. If I'm not tilting I have an 80% winratio in your elo. It's ridiculously high. Don't believe me look at my Rengar stats on TLDE. 85% winrate over like 20 games I believe. The difference in play between what I'M at and what you're at is too drastic. And you can only see it if you get out of it. Fact of the matter is, you would never have said any of what you did if you hadn't disagreed with my original post. None of it. You'd probably be asking me for tips, or why I torture myself with mordekaiser. You would have had no reason to disbelieve what I had to say. But you went in with a preconceived notion which is not how you debate. Nor did it have anything to do, again, with my original argument at hand. It all had to do with me and trying to hurt my credibility in some way.
pryda022 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:35:27.398+0000) > > Oh, God forbid your blatantly overpowered role got tuned down to an acceptable level. What you are experiencing is something Laners have to deal with on a daily basis: It&#x27;s called getting behind. Previously, your entire role was PvE. You fucking farmed jungle camps. There was no challenge. It was the same thing every game. Same two paths every game, either a level 4 clear, or level 3 clear into gank. > > Now pathing changes up based on gamestate. Now You can get behind for poor play, rather than just farming camps and staying at least even in levels all game. Welcome to a new experience. What you&#x27;re experiencing is called league of legends. Where you actually get punished for doing poorly. Just like a top laner gets punished if he dies twice, you get punished if you lose every scuttle. > > Jungle has been too strong for too long. Bad players are an entire 9 divisions higher than they should be because of this one role. Put a jungle only player in a lane and they will feed and be useless all game. Put a laner in the jungle and 9 times out 10 you get an acceptable if not a better than average performance. And that&#x27;s because jungle is too strong. So it inflates players winrates and thus their elo. Didn’t u just complain supports are op too? Seems like any game state that doesn’t alllow to to afk farm and bully on Morde is a problem for u. For someone in high diamond to sum up the jungle as you did shows that you climbed very far with a lack of game knowledge or your just being a whiney bitch when it comes to the jungle postion. If anything like support it’s harder to climb at lower levels if you play anything but full damage. And at higher levels it’s the most cerebral role in the game. Where id like to point out top is the least and besides from a few champs is also the least mechanical intensive. So Maybe your only diamond 5 or gasp! plat 1 if you played mid?
Supports are overpowered right now, more specifically enchantresses. They currently face the issue that jungle had until this patch; a bunch of reward for no effort. They literally get gold for walking around with their starter items. If that doesn't scream bullshit I don't know what does. They also have the cheapest items in the game. Huge issue in my opinion. Morde is currently in a really weak state. Not that I care too much, because I'm nowhere near a one trick. The people I stream for enjoy morde so I play morde. I'm also trying to be the guy that gets morde top to Master tier. I can see it working so far. And no one that gets to High diamond lacks game knowledge. No one. They can be biased. But they do have the knowledge. They can just choose to ignore said knowledge. I would argue top and mid lane are the most mechanically intensive roles in the game. Top lane has the most diverse champion pool in the entire game. In order to play top effectively you have to understand hundreds of matchups at a very fine level. I've played every role in this game besides ADC, and that's only because I don't like ADC's farm centric playstyle. I used to one trick Azir. Bet you didn't know that. I also used to one trick Jungle. Bet you didn't know that either. I used to main Gangplank as well. One tricked him all the way to diamond, mainly playing him mid. Out of all those roles I would say top is the most difficult and also the most rewarding. Support can be relaxing, and I did enjoy it as a secondary role. Never mained it. But I haven't lost a support game on my main in quite some time. Not that I play it often but the times do arise when I get autofilled there. Btw, morde is no longer a lane bully really. Ever since pre season he can be beat by a lot of things. It's his mid game and dragon power spike that are so great now. I have no idea how mechanics even got pulled up in whatever this was. It was just an Ad hominem attack really. And it failed on all fronts. You'll find me as a lot of things, but hypocritical will never be one of them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:35:27.398+0000) > > Oh, God forbid your blatantly overpowered role got tuned down to an acceptable level. What you are experiencing is something Laners have to deal with on a daily basis: It&#x27;s called getting behind. Previously, your entire role was PvE. You fucking farmed jungle camps. There was no challenge. It was the same thing every game. Same two paths every game, either a level 4 clear, or level 3 clear into gank. Role sucked it sucks worse now. It has no impact late game and now it has little impact early game. Being behind as a Jungler is worse then any other role since you have no tower to protect you. > Now pathing changes up based on gamestate. Now You can get behind for poor play, rather than just farming camps and staying at least even in levels all game. Actually you fall behind because your laners are shit it's literally whichever jungler has the better laners will get crab even if he is behind and if you get crab you will end up ahead. It really doesn't matter which jungler wins, laners ultimately decide who has river control. > Jungle has been too strong for too long. Bad players are an entire 9 divisions higher than they should be because of this one role. Put a jungle only player in a lane and they will feed and be useless all game. I main Jungler and play top on my alt account. My alt account is higher elo then my main account, also play support fiddle only on my main account when filled sup and it's my highest WR champ by over 10%. Every game i play in ADC and Mid always feel like the strongest roles. Basically S-Tier Mid/ ADC A-Tier Sup and top Why are you even trying tier Jungle
You are wrong. You have no semblance of game balance whatsoever. I can play any role in the elo you currently reside and hit a 100% winrate. What does that mean? It means that you can't possibly know anything about gameplay health. There is nothing you can discern from it. Nothing you can gain from it. Your individual preformance in such a mediocre elo has nothing to do with the game as a whole. ADC is the strongest role, but it doesn't have the most carry agency. Mid and Jungle, have, and probably will always hold that position. They are able to impact every single lane and their own. Jungle has the most impact because they aren't punished for being behind and impact every single lane without giving up anything. As a mid laner, at the very least, you have to manage waves right. Which means downtime. The enemy team will know when you are mia. And if you are MIA too long you miss wave after wave after wave. As a jungler, you don't lose jack shit for running around like a chicken with your head cut off. Jungle gets too much reward for too little. After these changes its even BETTER to solo carry on in lower MMR's because you can now put the enemy jungler severly behind by being the better player. You can actually gain a lead by being the better player. You directly impact your enemy "laner," (jungler) now more than everyone else's lane. That's more healthy for everyone involved. <Removed by Moderation>
Salson (EUNE)
: Riot is actually nerfing everything, exactly as we asked?
Supports are way too strong right now and immediately need looked at. They are supposed to be messing with them after the ADC update which is great. Jungle nerfs are also working as intended, and have made the game MUCH more enjoyable for everyone that's not looking for a freelo role.
: Jungle is Worse than Ever
Oh, God forbid your blatantly overpowered role got tuned down to an acceptable level. What you are experiencing is something Laners have to deal with on a daily basis: It's called getting behind. Previously, your entire role was PvE. You fucking farmed jungle camps. There was no challenge. It was the same thing every game. Same two paths every game, either a level 4 clear, or level 3 clear into gank. Now pathing changes up based on gamestate. Now You can get behind for poor play, rather than just farming camps and staying at least even in levels all game. Welcome to a new experience. What you're experiencing is called league of legends. Where you actually get punished for doing poorly. Just like a top laner gets punished if he dies twice, you get punished if you lose every scuttle. Jungle has been too strong for too long. Bad players are an entire 9 divisions higher than they should be because of this one role. Put a jungle only player in a lane and they will feed and be useless all game. Put a laner in the jungle and 9 times out 10 you get an acceptable if not a better than average performance. And that's because jungle is too strong. So it inflates players winrates and thus their elo.
: Shen is an example of a champion that has to suffer because of pro play
Shen is plenty viable right now. He's just not S tier.
: There are still zero follow up changes to a single mage affected by patch 8.9
Mages are perfectly viable right now. If you don't see this you are delusional and bad at the game. Assassins are finally in an actual VIABLE state mid lane. Just because the go to isn't control mage mid every game doesn't mean they are weak. It simply means that they are finally just not blatantly stronger than assassins. Watch MSI. They don't even pick anything outside of control mages there. That's besides the point that there are much bigger fish to fry then buffing weak control mages right now. And I gurantee you every single control mage you say is weak is just wrong.
: lol Mordekaiser's Q has a 165% total AD ratio I believe
Why are you, or whoever is, downvoting him? He's right, it's nowhere near viable. And it never will be. That ratio could be 200% total AD. It would still be shit.
: [Champion Discussion] Mordekaiser; Is he the best Champion in the game? Why or why not?
No. Morde's a terrible champion. He wasn't so bad before this seasons preseason, but he didn't get proper base stat adjustments number 1, and number 2 they took away every viable keystone that he had. The removal of DFT and Stormraiders hurt him a lot. If you compare his base stat increases to that of other champions it was actually just a joke, and it takes someone with a very thick skull to put the changes forward and not have called it a nerf. There are no tips to help you improve either. If you want to get better at morde, or any other champion in general, or the game, watch people that are better at the game than you play. Pay for a coaching session. Cause fact is, if you aren't absolutely demolishing people in your current elo with mordekaiser you are making a lot of mistakes. And you certainly aren't playing the laning phase right, which is the most important part actually. Anyway, after all the changes from season 7, morde is a mid game power house. Since his base stats are so low, he's no longer as big of a lane bully as he used to be. But with the new AP items, it buffed his mid game substantially, making him viable again. I didn't even play him before the AP item update because he was blatantly the worst champion in the game, by far. He's all good now though, if you play him correctly.
Kelg (NA)
: Might be good on {{champion:82}} to get his Qs off
: 4 players took ghost cleanse and followed me around the map intionaly feeding
: Why are placements such a worthless system for a Bronze player?
Lmao why did this even get upvoted, like, at all? You got placed bronze 5 and you were bronze 4 last season. I don't see the problem. In no circumstance does anyone get placed higher than they were last season, no matter how many games you win. I don't see why you should be a special case.
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Jamaree (NA)
: Decades ago there were less things like killer clowns, fear of child abduction, people putting harmful things into candy and people feeling safe, it is also a school night.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nlH2vz0w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-01T00:41:38.158+0000) > > Decades ago there were less things like killer clowns, fear of child abduction, people putting harmful things into candy and people feeling safe, it is also a school night. Society as a whole is much safer than in the past. This is a perpetuated myth due to societies higher media consumption and multiple forms of propaganda prevalent on social media.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zZr9E656,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-09-03T01:16:06.415+0000) > > Lmao you&#x27;re so angry. But you are right about the underdeveloped social skills and awful sense of humor aspect, it&#x27;s the same thing with people asking for downvotes. The irony of rage posting because your topic got rekt by the collective hivemind while other people with more pleasant demeanors get friendlier discussion and more views, then accusing somebody of being angry for explaining why your knee-jerk reaction was off base.
> [{quoted}](name=Miss XXMC,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zZr9E656,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-03T01:20:26.769+0000) > > The irony of rage posting because your topic got rekt by the collective hivemind while other people with more pleasant demeanors get friendlier discussion and more views, then accusing somebody of being angry for explaining why your knee-jerk reaction was off base. It's not ironic if I admit it. I know what I am, I know I've got an attitude problem, I know I have a high standard when it comes to other people and it makes me hate petty things, because petty things are usually symbolic of much larger issues. Fact is, I know I'm messed up as a human being now and days, and I got no problem with it, because if you don't hurt others I won't hurt you. I know what I am. You'll solve nothing by attacking it. For God's sake, I'm a bounty hunter in my day to day life, plenty of people hate me, mainly those I catch.
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