: > [{quoted}](name=nomeL,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=ml1RThcK,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-12-12T01:34:02.101+0000) > > Super cool that this happened for you. Wish his hair wasn't stupid. I mean I don't mind the hair, at least its not a generic western hairstyle :D. I love exotic hairstyle.
Generic anime style is not any better. Hardly exotic considering how much its overdone.
: He looks cool so far. I'm a bi male and someone commented about the girl and guy behind him and something about bi energy. I can get behind that. I'm not really into Kpop boy bands, I'm more into gruff looking guys like Graves, but I guess they're appealing more to girls. Buff is enough for me, so I won't complain.
I didn’t notice the guy at first. And tbh he is so withdrawn he looks more like an advisor than a sort of male concubine. Wish he was more comparable to the chick on his left. Despite this I think it would be super fitting for him to be bisexual, kind of a mirror of his half human and half vastayan stuck in between and judged for it theme. He’d be my bi icon is all I’m sayin’.
: I got 94 and honestly all the prestige skins kinda sucked for me this year, so now all my points will go to waste? thx rito.
They **literally** made a shop specifically to use prestige points on so they won’t go to waste.... if you don’t like the options that is an entirely different story.
: What the hell? Did I get hit by an Upvote bot or do people really agree with a mostly comedic rant about how ineffective imprisonment is on Runeterra? It's the views to Upvotes that's got me startled and by how quickly it happened.
Upvote bot hit your already good post.
333lom (EUNE)
: Viktor comic - Becoming the Herald, new part!
Ahhhh 333lom! So excited, the first part was awesome and I've been looking forward to an update!
: In my opinion the most glaring flaw in Kayle's character is her appearance. I just can't get over the armored leggings. Not that I dislike fit women in tight dresses, but in this case this attractiveness is extremely detrimental to everything Kayle is supposed to embody. Nothing speaks "ironclad justice from above" like a good old cameltoe. I guess a winged figure in an heavy, scintillating armor and an inflexible sentence coming out of a faceless helm is fine in order to deliver the concept, but doesn't sell enough skins...
Kayle is supposed to reject her humanity and become more divine/less human as she ascends but for some reason she becomes even more sexual and even reveals her face as she ascends (these are very human things). It would make sense for her to have less sexual/personal expression and to become more covered up with uniformal and conforming armor as she ascends because she becomes closer to her ideal of inhuman law and order. There are so many visual metaphors for this they forewent to make her sexy. Make her faceless with a mask/helmet that stays, make her ‘blind unfeeling justice’ with her eyes being unseen which also removes that emotional human connection, make her androgynous because law and divinity are all inhuman, and thus genderless concepts. It’s really sad how much potential was wasted, her old design while much lower quality actually reflected her personality better.
Arammus (EUW)
: i mean if a mod goes running around saying "if i perceive your comment as a rulebreak, i will ban it and warn you even if it wasnt" and then for 3 days straight says nothing besides "eh whatever i say you use it against me lol" then idk. that is not the behavior a mod should have. and if the mod team goes "we have an eye on him" i feel trolled. great you have an eye on him. so do i. and you know what that does? NOTHING. remove the idiot from your mod team to prevent turning into lol reddit mods.
The whole “we have an eye on him” is literally because they don’t want to remove him unless it gets worse. The point isn’t to do something other than pay closer attention, for now at least.
: Hey mate. The post was removed. I think we can end the discussion about that here and stay on topic.
It was removed after I commented. You cant reply to deleted comments.
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Are you saying we shouldn't let disabled people mod? You don't even know this person, how can you judge them for being disabled?
: Chembaron: What do you want to see in such a champion?
I want to see a part of Zaun taken to an extreme. Whether this is with genetic engineering, plants and flora, or prosthetics, a lot of things could work. And I’d want them to be a big independent player because chembarons aren’t the rulers of Zaun for nothing. The rising forces in Zaun are also an important part of its narrative, so it would be nice to have another face among the big players like Urgot and Camille.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jJRy6wvr,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-12-08T16:58:54.882+0000) > > I'm sayin he shouldn't have been mute. Or we should hear his thoughts with Alune. Well, we can't hear thoughts. This ***is*** a game about Summoners and the Summoned, after all.
> [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jJRy6wvr,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-08T21:45:52.154+0000) > > Well, we can't hear thoughts. This ***is*** a game about Summoners and the Summoned, after all. Considering he telepathically communicates with Alune, I think we can hear thoughts.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jJRy6wvr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-12-06T20:19:01.031+0000) > > They should have given him a VO too. What a way to gut him of personality. I don't think a mute would have emotes lol it's not like he's Sona who can magically speak.
> [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jJRy6wvr,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-12-08T16:15:40.133+0000) > > I don't think a mute would have emotes lol it's not like he's Sona who can magically speak. I'm sayin he shouldn't have been mute. Or we should hear his thoughts with Alune.
: Dunkmaster Poppy
This is cute as fuck.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=4ovAePoy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-30T22:18:36.227+0000) > > Riot doesn't track this data so unless a fantastically ridiculous amount of players started doing this no one would notice. This comment from a Rioter on Reddit suggests otherwise. > https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/e1jy3g/pbe_preview_dawnbringer_karma_nidalee_and_soraka/f8qarwo/ > > [Bellissimoh](https://www.reddit.com/user/Bellissimoh/) 36 points > Yes. **Snowdown historically hasn’t been the most popular skin line, and even the most purchased Snowdown skins don’t see a high amount of usage from players that own them. (Not even during the winter / snowdown season)** > > This year we wanted to try something new. Looking forward to hearing more feedback once everyone can experience Nightbringer / Dawnbringer and Sugar Rush in-game. > > Also to note: This doesn’t mean that Snowdown will never return, but **we need to spend more time understanding what works or doesn’t work with that thematic before we bring it back.** Emphasis mine. They're tracking usage.
Looks like I stand corrected.
WeAreDuo (NA)
: If we know one thing... Ascended beings dont handle stress all that well. If they did then Aatrox's justical skin would be his base lol I think renek is lost, if we get to that point where they fight, i bet he'll have flashes of hope but ultimately Nasus has to put him down and take his place alongside Azir going forward... That's how I feel about it
Justicar Aatrox is not canon.
Atgo (EUW)
: > Discounting literally every other failure of logic or internal consistency... She's from Shurima right? > Why is she so pale? Actually she should be _paler_. The "leaked" story Monstrous describes her skin as that of a corpse due to being feed by a Voidborn and not entering in contact with sunlight for years.
Corpse skin would have been cooler but Riot didn’t want to threaten her sex appeal.
Naalith (NA)
: I always thought that the gods from which demigods are derived were cosmic creatures of infinite power like Aurelion, Bard, Kindred, etc. I say derived because I don't think they are produced through standard reproduction. Another theory I have is that they could have been created by the World Runes to assist in forging the world. We know demigods are grounded on Runeterra, so maybe the cosmic beings who created Runeterra from the World Runes created a god from each element to be stewards of the planet. The demigods we know of are all elemental in nature and most of the Runes are elemental (with the notable exception being the life rune from Ryze's story).
Well if the gods of Runeterra are supposed to be stewards, some of them like Volibear and Ornn seem to be doing pretty questionable jobs in that, with Volibear being counterproductive and destructive while Ornn has been hiding away on his own.
: I pulled together the greatest RPGs in the world (bar final fantasy) to create an abomination of a league rpg fanfic hybrid The seven human souls was from undertale if you were confused lol
Oh heh, my bad I'm uncultured.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=MrzdEc5U,comment-id=00000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-12-06T18:35:55.528+0000) > > Even Senna was more developed than Varus’s old wife. Senna was of the same order as Lucian, we knew some of her personality, and what happened to her. > > And yeah. Even Riot said in their dev blog that she was just dead guys wife and not her own character. > > But no, I’m not saying we should remove her. I have no idea how you got that idea. It would make literally 0 sense to delete a champion but also, the whole issue of her not being her own character has been resolved. Err, she was barely more developed, a few extra lines at best. And I was just saying remove her as a hyperbole to your statement of Varus' wife being useless. They already put in the work so it would be pointless to remove Senna, but you're cheapening Varus' wife when both wives were literally used for the exact same reason.. a means of conveying vengeance through loss.
Dead random wife who did nothing but be a wife is a lot less developed then undead hunting Purifier who was equally capable to Lucian and now has her immortal soul imprisoned in a magical relic. And from Lucian and lore we knew she was a kind and passionate person about her goals. > They already put in the work so it would be pointless to remove Senna, but you're cheapening Varus' wife when both wives were literally used for the exact same reason.. a means of conveying vengeance through loss. They were used for the same reason but Senna was more developed by (imo) a significant amount. Even then though, not a lot of people cared about Senna. Sure her fate was tragic, sure some people wanted her to be a new champion, but people didn't care about her until they made their own champion concepts of her or until her official champion release. Random dead wife mentioned in a single line was not a vital part of Varus's character. Gender of his lover doesn't matter. He had much more radical changes to get mad at than getting a boyfriend.
: Even if i love the idea... i think this may create a big mess in the lore, since many different developers may percieve the lore in different ways and then contradictions may happen. Will some games become "more canon" than others or what?
I suspect it will be largely like the comics, Riot will oversee their development so there is as little conflict as possible.
: Please do an RPG where your kayn and he has this full blown story about trying to beat rhaast but in the end they become friends and have to team up together with the seven human souls so they can beat the legendary primal aatrox before he can finish his army he has been building or something
What is the seven human souls? Sounds like you mixed some fanfic in there.
HideSide (EUNE)
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I don't understand what you mean by he is unattractive for heteros? Are you saying he isn't physically attractive or he isn't an interesting character to heterosexuals. If you can't appreciate a homosexual character you need to get over some things. Gay people have to deal with 99% of media being heterosexual and they can still appreciate heterosexual characters. If you are saying he isn't physically attractive, I think you forgot 50% of the world.
jjScotty (NA)
: Can we get some super accentuated male thighs tho
Right? Smh my head Riot guys have asses too. If chicks got absolute territory guys should too.
iBwErica (EUW)
: Make star guardian syndras thighs great agian!
This isn’t a new discussion your literally just linking your old post again.
: What disappoints me about Aphelios
They should have given him a VO too. What a way to gut him of personality.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=MrzdEc5U,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-02T03:21:32.159+0000) > > How? Gay characters don't need justification for existing. Two guys being fused makes more sense than a guy and a girl, because the final form is very masculine. > > Besides, its not like his old wife was a developed character. No one gave a shit about her, she was in a single sentence to make Varus's loss even greater. Now his lover actually has development. > > Sure, taking a character in a hetero relationship and putting him in a homo one shouldn't be done if it can be prevented, but making him gay wasn't a big change. The major retcon making him a darkin and all? Sure that was really rough. Changing the gender of his lover? Doesn't matter, especially if it makes more sense with the new lore. So does that mean Senna was a piece of shit too that no one gave about? Might as well tell Riot to remove that ~~bitch ~~as a champion then. Some of us actually really liked his old lore. Sure it was a trope but God damn did I and many others think it was a well executed one. Many people don't realize this but Varus (old lore) did indeed have a cult following fan base of sorts.
Even Senna was more developed than Varus’s old wife. Senna was of the same order as Lucian, we knew some of her personality, and what happened to her. And yeah. Even Riot said in their dev blog that she was just dead guys wife and not her own character. But no, I’m not saying we should remove her. I have no idea how you got that idea. It would make literally 0 sense to delete a champion but also, the whole issue of her not being her own character has been resolved.
Zasran (EUNE)
: Can I work for Riot Games as character artist remotely?
Riot will outsource or commissions artists sometimes. With some artists they will frequently go back to work with them. But I think an actual job as a Riot artist would have you be literally an in house artist.
Arammus (EUW)
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If one existed it was short lived and make your own post instead of derailing this one.
: > [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jeta3Xeu,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-12-05T06:20:29.999+0000) > > Wait...do you really think Vayne, Zyra, Kat, Irelia, Cass, Ori, Jinx, Sivir, and Quinn aren't sexualized? > > Vayne and Quinn wear leather/spandex body suits, basically. Vayne wears a body suit that gives her a lot of movement freedom, which is logical since she fights things that don't really care about armor and she relies on her agility more than on her brute force. Also, her aesthetic is a combination between D The Vampire Slayer (dark, brooding hunter with a cool cape) and Bayonetta (aristocratic lady with great hair). As for Quinn, please rinse your eyes https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/36/Quinn_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20190122200814 > Ori: Robot boobs emphasized as cones. And? > Zyra is a plant with needless tits. Zyra is a plant that possessed a human woman. Who happened to have tits. You know, the things that all females have. > Kat was one of the original sex appeal figures of League. Won't argue with that but how does it cancel her being edgy and brooding? > Jinx is barely clothed. She's only different in the aspect that she isn't a sexualized hour-glass figure specifically. So, the girls who don't have visible breasts and are thin are too ugly to be considered attractive by men, so they are safe and approved. Good message. > Irelia is in a spandex body suit, with armor boob window, because reasons. Her armor doesn't really protect anywhere important. Irelia is a dancer. Her fighting movements are based on her dancing style, so her outfit requires maximum agility. Also, she is literally surrounded by flying blades she can control with her mind. It's not like its so damn easy to get close to her. > Cass: Snake bikini. Need I say more? Since she crawls more than walks, wearing layers of shirts would be a waste of good clothing. Also, she used to be quite proud of her looks, so turning into a half-snake was a huge blow to her self-image and she had to simmer in self-pity before finally becoming at peace with her new body and combining her former and current self. Also, with her high self-esteem and increased strength, resilience and durability, she considers herself above average humans - and goddesses have nothing to hide. > Sivir's only reason for not looking sexualized is because her pose in her splash art doesn't show anything...which is terribly done overall and breaks basics anatomy rules. It was worse before everyone complained about it. She's still a "battle mistress" that wears no clothes. She is dressed like a posh gladiator, which shows her obsession with gold and money. She is also terribly bad with money since she admitted that she instantly gambled her reward for one of her jobs. She also made quite a name for herself and she wants to be recognized and sought after, so no wonder she made sure people know who she is from a single look at her weapon and her outfit.
You tried to make logical sense out of all those designs when the point wasn’t that they were illogical but that they were sexualized significantly. Vayne’s outfit is within the realm of believable. So is Rakan being shirtless. But both characters are sexualized though. You also just had a lot of grasping at straws to make sense of some of these characters. Zyra grows entirely new bodies as seen in her short story, so her having tits _doesnt_ make sense at all. Your whole rant on Cass was mostly fan fiction. And then your totally out of nowhere strawman in response to OP saying Jinx does not have a huge hour glass (she doesn’t).
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Obviously a sexy dance is sexualization but it is so minor on a very unsexual character. Talon is not sexualized to any significant amount just because he has a mildly sex dance. Does that make sense? Because Talon doing the michael jackson dance does not make him comparable to the waifus of League. If you still can’t understand then i don’t feel like explaining it anymore.
Sancre (EUW)
: those things are probably used to pierce the skin slowly and softly, to make his next meal bleed
But he can do that with magic. They are basically just for look, which fits Vladimir, but they look rather silly which does not.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jeta3Xeu,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T10:46:01.636+0000) > > Talon having a mildly sexual dance does not make his character design sexualized. Op said they were “absent of sexualisation”. No one here is even talking just about character design. Get outta here troll. I’ve seen you around and all you do is argue (as you are on this post). You’re the rujitra of the story boards.
We are referring to sexualization within character designs... Point still stands though. Mildly sexy dance =\= Talon is sexy. Talon is sterilized of any sex appeal except for apparently his dance. You may not like what I have to say but that doesn’t make me a troll. Although it’s cool to know people remember my name.
: Ah, yes, Baron Velveteen Lenare! https://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Flolstatic-a.akamaihd.net%2Ffrontpage%2Fapps%2Fprod%2Funiverse-map%2Fen_GB%2F61d0e6fadd7044bbdacb73ba6fdcc10fa1c31ef0%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fzaun_baron_02.jpg&key=f0abbd34f14549f3a15cd94dd9970851&width=425 I also really liked her design and wished that she would be a champion, but she in particular is ruled out now unfortunately. But yes, I would like to see something similar. A female who had to replace alot of her body parts.
Fingers crossed. Zaun hasn't had a new champion since Ekko.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jeta3Xeu,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-12-05T06:19:07.272+0000) > > Just because Riot is making progress does not make them immune to criticism. There are many more progressive games out there that have designs people fall in love with but aren't restricted to gender roles or shoe horned sex appeal. Apex Legends, Dead by Daylight, upcoming Bleeding Edge. Just because you listed a few games that are doing better with this one subject does not mean riot is not making progress. You literally gave examples but have no actual points because what you're whining about is already here and it's not like riot has stopped making champions either. Like, seriously, this whole thing is just embarrassing for you and the OP. And then none of those games you listed are even on the same level as League. Like, there are still standards in this industry, dear. Now, that might be too much to process, so here's the takeaway: _"mentally secure people don't turn to fictional games for role models that look like them."_ You should consider growing up, but if that's too much then gobble down a chill pill and just wait for more content. I promise, it'll be here... Fucking Christ.
> Just because you listed a few games that are doing better with this one subject does not mean riot is not making progress. Certainly not. Nobody said Riot was not making progress. > You literally gave examples but have no actual points because what you're whining about is already here Just because you don't understand me, does not mean I have no point. I thought I was quite clear, but my point is that we _can criticize Riot without invalidating what they have done_. My examples were proof that saying "Riot has done more than most" isn't a reason to be satisfied, nor is it necessarily true. > Like, seriously, this whole thing is just embarrassing for you and the OP. Weak sauce insult. > And then none of those games you listed are even on the same level as League. What are you measuring your arbitrary subjective level with? Popularity? Financial success? Because neither of those have to do with variety in character design. This attempt at discrediting the examples I listed doesn't make sense because even a dead game from 20 years ago that no one played can have valuable insights into superior character design. > Now, that might be too much to process, so here's the takeaway: "mentally secure people don't turn to fictional games for role models that look like them." You should consider growing up, but if that's too much then gobble down a chill pill and just wait for more content Yikes man. I'd say mentally secure people don't lose their shit over polite internet discussion. Considering how upset you got from your first post to this one, I think you need to grow up and take a chill pill. When you say wait for more content, are you saying Riot will deliver us with what we want and we should just wait? If so, that's the stupidest reason to dismiss valid criticism. Because if that is what you are saying, then you are telling us to not bother giving the artist suggestions because they will figure it out on their own if you give them enough time. It's almost like these boards exist for discussion and suggestions.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jeta3Xeu,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-12-05T06:14:52.059+0000) > > You cannot see Zed's face and he is literally covered in heavy clothing and armor that obscures any orm of sex appeal. They most certainly are not sexualized. > > Especially not compared to characters like Qiyana who have sexuality ooze from every aspect of their design, face, body type, sexy outfit, make up, etc. Not that Qiyana's design is bad, but female sexualization in League is nothing like male sexualization (unless you want to cherry pick hardcore). except they are. zed is very much a sexualized "picturesque" version of male anatomy that is entirely unobtainable by the common male. not to mention his characteristics and personality. you obviously don't know what sexualization is. here's a research paper on the topic. feel free to read it at your leisure. https://d2pdrg0zq56pru.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CTR_BodyImageAndMales_JULYAUGUST2013-ENG.pdf
> except they are. zed is very much a sexualized "picturesque" version of male anatomy See he isn't. Because his entire body is obscured. Both in game and in his splashart he his hunched over, does not display a prominant V chest, or have the idealized small waste. Baggy pants do not indicate masculinity. He is one of the most sterilized male humans when it comes to sex appeal. You could have cherry picked Sylas or Kayn, but you picked nearly the worst possible characters for your argument. > entirely unobtainable by the common male. We don't see his muscles at all in game. What are you talking about? We see some wrapped up arms in his splashart, but those muscles are most certainly obtainable by the vast majority of people if they put significant effort forth for them. Braum's muscles are unobtainable, not Zed's. > not to mention his characteristics and personality. What characteristics? That's extremely vague. Personalities can be attractive, but they don't have sex appeal because people are sexually attracted to bodies, not brains. "I'm edgy assassin man" is not going to raise any boners. > you obviously don't know what sexualization is. here's a research paper on the topic. feel free to read it at your leisure. Your moving the goal posts to a totally different context. You know what sexualization refers to in this context.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jacksin,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jeta3Xeu,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-12-05T05:45:02.232+0000) > > It's a pop culture reference to Michael Jackson's dance in a "Billy Jean" musical performance lol Yes? And if you don’t think it has sexual meaning then you’ve lived a very sheltered childhood
Talon having a mildly sexual dance does not make his character design sexualized.
: >"Cruel Zaunite Cyborg Dictator with Eight Legs" I will have to inform you that my boy Urgot has, in fact, 6 legs. And I am still not giving up hope yet. Riot mentioned that we are going to see a "new edgy solo laner" in the future. Maybe this time we will get the chemtech augmented chembaroness.
There is that one chembaron, you probably know her name, who goes to Piltover for vitality infusions and has a golem body. It would be really cool to get something like that. New edgy solo laner sounds cool though, as little as that does tell us. Thanks for the correction Yamada :)
: Besides the whole sexualisation debate, there are still some champions in that list which are what OP is actually asking for. He said he wants females which are not colourful and girly, but more edgy and serious. Cassiopeia, Camille, Diana, Kalista, Lissandra, Senna, Vayne, Katarina.... they all match this description, don't they?
To varying extents yes. Although Cassiopeia and Katarina still fall under archetypal evil seductress and femme fatale. Although those characters do match that description, they don't get much farther than Kalista or Diana. You'd never get a female equivalent of Urgot. If a female can't have sex appeal, Riot abandons their womenhood entirely, like with Rek'Sai, Anivia, etc. Not sure if those kinda characters are what OP is referring to. But most of those do disregard gender roles.
: I'd argue that jinx IS sexualized, just not as an hour-glass figure. Since when are short shorts and bikini top not sexualized?
: Oh god not this again
Your right, we shouldn't have to discuss it. Unfortunately some people want Riot to confine their designs to strict gender roles.
Jacksin (OCE)
: {{champion:131}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:113}} Are pretty much the only champs I can accept from your list. Sexualization wasn't the main point of this post dude. I knew this would happen. I mention it off hand and the only comments I get are about it.
I feel bad for you because I've tried to have these convos and people always get caught up on that.
: {{champion:1}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:235}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:163}} all of these are female champions that aren't sexual or alluring in nature (outside of alt skins, but alt skins are for fan service.) several of them are "dark" in nature. exactly what you're asking for. most of them are clothed from head to toe, with the exception of Riven who has sandles.
You just said Zyra, who is everything but naked, is not sexual or alluring. Leona who wears high heels? Camille with the thickest hips in the game? Cassiopeia who literally only wears a bra and hat? Jinx isn't sexual or alluring but she certainly shouldn't be lumped into the "clothed from head to toe" group. Just because Irelia isn't explicitly a seductive character like Elise or Leblanc does not mean she is void of sex appeal.
: Im sorry, I just find this thread silly... {{champion:350}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:117}} we got an unconventional females right here. (Lol Urgot) Do we need more? Yes... But let's not shit on the progress made thus far. {{champion:246}} {{champion:235}} These two have sexy body types and while qiyana is generic (appearance wise,) let's not ignore we got a serious black female character. That's wayy huge. It's also a fighting game... There's only so much you can do with morbidly obese designs before they just dont make any sense... Despite this Riot does have varying body types. (Demons, yordles, furries, and {{champion:79}} {{champion:154}} {{champion:83}} Stop shaming the progress. Riot has done more than most.
Just because Riot is making progress does not make them immune to criticism. There are many more progressive games out there that have designs people fall in love with but aren't restricted to gender roles or shoe horned sex appeal. Apex Legends, Dead by Daylight, upcoming Bleeding Edge.
: zed and talon are absent of sexualization?!?!?!? okay. i guess muscles aren't sexualized. {{champion:350}} is absent of sexualization. {{champion:223}} is absent of sexualization. {{champion:421}} is absent of sexualization. zed and talon are most definitely sexualized.
You cannot see Zed's face and he is literally covered in heavy clothing and armor that obscures any orm of sex appeal. They most certainly are not sexualized. Especially not compared to characters like Qiyana who have sexuality ooze from every aspect of their design, face, body type, sexy outfit, make up, etc. Not that Qiyana's design is bad, but female sexualization in League is nothing like male sexualization (unless you want to cherry pick hardcore).
: So, you have problems with stuff but to be clear YOU DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH STUFF. Just teasing. Say what you mean, not what others want to hear. As for your message in this post, I'd agree that having a variety of personalities and themes would be cool. Let's do a run-down: **Sexualized Female Characters** I believe this is mostly subjective to what you find attractive as an individual, but to make this simple we will say that the females who have dis-proportionatly ratiod sized chests, waists, posteriors, and symetrical, elegant faces and minimal clothing are "sexualized". Female champions that fit all of this criteria is actually pretty big. **Sexualized Male Charaters** Again, I believe this is mostly subjective to what you find attractive as an individual, but to make this simple we will say that the males who have strong, sharp features, chiseled muscles, sturdy frame, symetrical elegant faces and clothing that really frames their muscles and body are "sexualized". Male champions that fit all of this criteria is quite a lot as well. So, a **LARGE** pool of champions are sexualized. Is that shocking? No. We like pretty things. We like to interact with pretty things. Each sex has sexy things about them, even if one attribute is more obvious than the other. Moving on to your desire for more exploratory lore, I promise you it's there; You just don't see past the sexualization of the champions. Every single character could be boiled down to a stupid sounding cliche like every single thing in the world can. Looking at {{champion:84}} , you could either choose to see that she is a rebel who finds the way she was taught tedious, encumbersome of the very teachings she was brought up to instill, and decided she had enough of it and went off on her own to bring what she beliefs is the true way of achieving her teachings goals. Pretty darn cool and epic.... or you could go "she is an edgy teenager who ran away from home". Her story is pretty cool and explorative of how ninja's traditionally work. It's not the traditional "damsel in distress" girl who can't fight for herself. {{champion:517}} is the epitome of sexualized (his in-game dance is him gyrating!) His lore is cool in the sense of showing the oppression magic endures in the walls of Demacia. His people are shunned and "lesser" in the eyes of the nobles. His imprisonment festered his hatred of Demacia nobles. Then he found a way to abuse the power of petricite, which Demacia prides itself on. He persuaded Lux to trust him and eventually lead to his freedom, turning the pride of Demacia against itself and beginning a revolution to free magic from Demacia's oppressive clutch. Epic, right? Or you could go "He is just a prisoner who started a revolution. How un-inspired!" He is a man who was oppressed and lashed out. Not the traditional "Knight in shining armor" type of story. I promise you all of the things you want are there and available if you are willing to look at the stories instead of the faces.
> Again, I believe this is mostly subjective to what you find attractive as an individual, but to make this simple we will say that the males who have strong, sharp features, chiseled muscles, sturdy frame, symetrical elegant faces and clothing that really frames their muscles and body are "sexualized". This is true, but it generally doesn't occur to the same degree of female sexualization. Generally the most extreme male sexualization will go is to make the character shirtless, with Pantheon being the only exception I can think of. Where as female sexualization permeates the entire design, with general form fitting clothing and sexualization that goes beyond just the torso. And I will admit Riot is getting much better at it. They have been stumbling a few times in recent designs but the designs are sexy while remaining classy/fitting and we are getting more "equality" in terms of sexualization. It's just that many people mistake Garen's conventionally attractive face as comparable to Kayle who has sexuality ingrained in her entire design from her body type to her outfit. If suddenly Garen's armor was very form fitting to highlight his V and muscles, randomly exposed a skin tight body suit, he had an ass, and was posed in art/in game with an arch to show it all off, then perhaps he would be comparable.
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: I'm just so frustrating with Riot's refusal to push past gender stereo types.
You are extremely clear and reasonable in your argument but people will still manage to misunderstand or just reject your post because your discussing gender. I was hoping Neeko woulda been a colorful boy mage but that had like a 0% chance of happening looking back. And I think its really sad that its true. "Cruel Zaunite Cyborg Dictator with ~~Eight~~ Six Legs" is by default a male character and I can't imagine Riot releasing a female equivalent of someone like Urgot. If a female character is evil they generally seem to be a sexy witch (LeBlanc, Syndra, Elise, Zyra, etc.) or Riot utterly abandons them being women at all (Rek'sai).
: Ah yes saying good game is a no-no now apparently.
You _seriously_ believe Riot intentionally banned someone for saying gg???... It’s very obviously a mistake or he got banned for something else.
: lol yeah riots banning system is stupid af
OP’s ban was obviously a mistake. Either they got banned and it showed the wrong chat log or they were falsely banned.
: Some of these posts are hilarious. Like you actually think he got banned for saying "GG". The chat logs most likely got screwed up and it's highly probable in between those "GGs" are all kinds of racist slurs and the part where he told his team to go jump off a bridge and harakari themselves with a toilet brush on the way down.
Right? People are pulling out all their snowflake and PC culture jokes but this is obviously a mistake.
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