: That eats up half of her mana early game Anyway, the point of it is, her W can't effect you if you get close... at all, the range is pitiful, and when it does hit you, it really doesn't do any damage till mid game with a lead. Ahri is short ranged by nature, Think of Ahri's W like.... Lissandra W But without CC And low damage Get close Punished But you aren't rooted Honestly, getting to close to an assassin/mage is not usually the best idea {{champion:127}} being the best example
But I play {{champion:127}} tank. (>_>)
: Whenever someone calls any champion that builds more than 1 defense item a "tank"
"Tank" {{champion:89}} Eclipse {{item:3078}} {{item:3748}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3111}} {{champion:48}} Ult {{item:3046}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3022}} {{item:3009}} {{item:3072}} {{item:3508}} {{champion:201}} Wall {{item:3812}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3107}} {{item:3190}} (RiP Bond of stone) {{champion:223}} {{item:3401}} {{item:3109}} {{item:3083}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3047}} {{champion:23}} ult {{item:3031}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3072}} {{item:3074}} {{item:3006}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:34}} {{item:3027}} {{item:3027}} {{item:3027}} {{item:3040}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3111}} {{summoner:12}} {{champion:222}} {{item:3072}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3812}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3006}}
: What about Dft?
: I've actually only saw one rotating support in my games (in like 30~40 games?), and that was in a premade. The comp was Nasus/Veigar/Soraka, which makes me believe they wanted to stall out for their late game, with Soraka helping to sustain them. Are rotating supports more common in higher elo?
Elo is kind of hard to judge since I only play normals (and screw around still). (>_>) That said. It's probably about 50/50 when I group (duo/trio-queue), and about 60/40 when I solo (in favor of jungle). TT games are generally shorter (though the snowballing on SR us quickly catching up), so it's just a question of preferred strategy. Roam: try to force down early turret(s) and gain map prescience; jungle: exploit the third revenue stream for greater overall team strength. At least, that's my experience. I'd defiantly label the Susan/Veiger picks as odd-balls though.
: Would anyone want to play 1v2 tbh
Welcome to Twisted Treeline. Rotating support is just as common as jungling. So 2v1's are just something you accept. . . . Until riot finishes Dominioning it.
: Or Lumberjack Swain.
But that would chopping down, not woodpeckers. :/ ***EDIT:*** {{champion:50}} not {{champion:14}} . Fail me. Disregard.
: Being told how to build is probably the most tilting thing in the game
>Being told how to build is probably the most tilting thing in the game I don't care what you build, so long as it includes: {{item:2045}} {{item:2055}} {{item:3107}} {{item:3190}} {{item:1001}} {{item:3364}} and {{item:3069}} /{{item:3401}} /{{item:3092}} . If your a "second mid" support, you may substitute the first and last for {{item:2301}} and {{item:3116}} . If you're Ivern, you may substitute SS for {{item:3711}} and the gold gen item for {{item:3174}} . If the enemy team has a lot of healing and/or health regen, You are also expected to buy {{item:3123}} . Remember to take {{summoner:4}} & {{summoner:3}} . Unless you're jungle Ivern, in which case you may substitute either (not both) for {{summoner:11}} . Also, you may not use Storm Raider's surge, Grasp of the undying, or any keystone from ferocity. *#Support Problems* *#Double standards*
: Then sic a woodpecker on him.
Ralanr (NA)
: Are they? I thought they were trying to nerf her.
Patch 7.2 >Lulu’s prevalence as a solo laner was characterized by a combination of strengths she made little trade-offs for, making laning against her a particularly frustrating affair. We solved this by transferring some of her lane clearing power into team utility, hitting her ability to poke champions in the process. ***Now that the Fae Sorceress sports a healthier clearing pattern, we’re comfortable giving her some offensive power back in a way that augments both her support and solo playstyles.***
Ralanr (NA)
: To be fair, Lulu is too oppressive when she solo lanes.
And yet now, they openly encourage it. Which suggest this is no longer a concern.
: i make this post multiple times and get no responses malicious makes it, 100 comments
Clearly, you don't make enough shit-posts. Slum around M&G's for a while. Eventually you'll get popular enough to be upvoted no matter what you say.
Ralanr (NA)
: Honestly I think some people got too attached to the unhealthy aspects.
{{champion:43}} *"Getting stronger at lower health is counter-intuitive."* {{champion:39}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:2}} "*Supports are too oppressive when solo laning."* {{champion:117}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:427}} *"All she does is shield people."* Support{{champion:43}} (How bout that. they made it worse.) *"People don't understand %health heals"* {{champion:44}} %health shield. *So* much more intuitive. *"Having offensive and defensive capabilities on the same skill is confusing."* It's called theme. She was designed around it. Also, {{champion:117}} *"She has no theme."* Wha- . . . How- . . . You turned her from a diplomatic leader into a generic warmonger! http://dailyweb.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/5.gif ***Morello (or was it meddler?):*** *"I never liked her kit from the beginning."* Well at least *someone* was honest about it. Alas poor Karma, you were before your time. ----------------------------------- Pardon my tangent.
: why the mikhaels?
Remove CC - great against some dive/pick comps. 20% shield/heal buff - bonus points if you run Bond of Stone (or what ever it is called now).
: I hate playing support because your just required now to build all these items that have actives and hell I can't remember to use them all... Probably why I have such a low winrate playing support...
Playing support only requires 12-13 buttons. (>_>) That's just 6 more than most other players.
: Haha, once again, glad to see others noticing her different empowerments!
Eh, comes with being a support main. *<shrugs>*
: Why is Poacher's Dirk a thing?
Because {{champion:427}} is a thing. . . . Except he doesn't give a damn about AD or armor pen. :/
: The point of bringing up they have side boob, is that it points out that yes, Some female champions ARE Sexualized. But so are some of the males. But at this point I dont' really give a fuck, enjoy your tumblrinas and stuff. Y'all just nuts and like arguing about shit.
>The point of bringing up they have side boob, is that it points out that yes, Some female champions ARE Sexualized. What I don't get is how "side boob" = "sexualized." >enjoy your tumblrinas and stuff. Hey now, that's DD's BS; not mine. >Y'all just nuts Certified!
: Is there ANY situation where you would WANT a teemo on your team?
The complaints about Teemo aren't related to his strengths. They're about the complete and utter lack of counter-play that is core to Teemo's kit. Dare I say, it's the very *REASON* he is kept weak. Because a weak Teemo, is a pain in the ass. A par Teemo, is oppressive. And I'll just out-right dodge if he ever becomes strong. It's no better when he's on your side, because his only contribution is is annoying the other team by chunking 3/4 of their collective health when it's not relevant. Or picking up the occasional lucky kill because the half dead support decided to ward baron. In both scenario's, Teemo is not around - possibly even dead.
: How is this even considered a gamemode?
When it comes to rotating game modes, anything is allowed. As long as it remains true to the core game-play of SR. Because Riot doesn't want to deal with anything else anymore.
ybuR (NA)
: Gut ivern
awdaf (NA)
: I really don't feel out played when I get killed by a Yasuo after 20 minutes
Just build resists. It's not like he gets free bonus armor pen. (>_>)
: your main now has a 40% pick rate without being changed recently
{{champion:83}} ***Forums:*** *WHO THE <SHADOW ISLES> ARE YOU!?* *(Disclaimer: I don't main Yorik, I just play him support.)*
Paquay (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Leaf of the lake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zGntWkE2,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-03-27T08:34:19.268+0000) > > &quot;His one niche&quot; > > Does anyone actually play sion because of the infinite HP stacking? You play sion because of his kit. Not a shitty passive. Actually, I play Sion because I don't have any rerolls left in ARAM. :/ Try stacking hp there. *sigh*
{{champion:83}} Try summoning ~~cockroaches~~ Ghouls. . .
: She deletes people regardless of what empowerment, as long as it kills nobody will know.
Only Q empowerment deals extra damage. W reduces target's damage output. E slows. (I'm ignoring the power chord damage in this statement which applies to all of them.)
: There's actually a pretty huge difference between idealized and sexualized. That's part of the reason why they're two different words. Your idea of what the genders are attracted to is actually pretty archaic, and for the most part wrong. Not only do you write out other sexualities and preferences by saying that, but in the end you just end up writing everyone off as a hive mind. Generalizing what all men and women are attracted too is also a bad idea, considering everyone is attracted to something different. You very clearly didn't understand the point of what I was saying when I mentioned Ashe, Sej and Lissandra are showing breast.
>Your idea of what the genders are attracted to is actually pretty archaic, and for the most part wrong. ... Generalizing what all men and women are attracted too is also a bad idea, considering everyone is attracted to something different. Psychology isn't an exact science. Kind of hard *not* to generalize. That said... https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199304/the-biology-attraction >#**Love Maps** >. . . These love maps vary from one individual to the next. Some people get turned on by a business suit or a doctor's uniform, by big breasts, small feet, or a vivacious laugh. But averageness still wins. . . . Men and women around the world are attracted to those with good complexions. Everywhere people are drawn to partners whom they regard as clean. And men in most places generally prefer plump, wide-hipped women to slim ones. Looks count. >So does money. From rural Zulus to urban Brazilians, men are attracted to young, good-looking, spunky women, while women are drawn to men with property or money. Americans are no exception. . . . ------------------------- >Not only do you write out other sexualities and preferences by saying that, but in the end you just end up writing everyone off as a hive mind. Asexuals and objectumsexuals don't fit into this discussion by definition. I can't find any reputable research on homosexuality (all of it is on the orientation and not on characteristics). So my options are to either ignore them, or assume they follow the same trend. Either way, the result is the same. If you happen to know of any good sources on this, please let me know. ------------------------- What I *think* DD is getting at with his idealized sexualization is the trend in popular media too portray idealized beauty. Maybe. I don't know. This one isn't very clear. (Bad DD!) ------------------------------- >Olaf, Braum, Tryndamere are ALL shirtless despite being in the Artic. There's no case behind it other then "Shirtless men" Actually, that's kind of point behind Braum. There was a really popular community request/suggestion for a "manly man" support, way back when, since the class was dominated by female characters. Riot ran with the concept and eventually ended up with Braum. Olaf wasn't originally from the freljord. He wasn't originally from anywhere, really. Just shipwrecked on Runterra one day, and that was that. (>_>) Tryndamere. . . I got nothing. None of this block is actually relevant. Just some trivia. -------------------------------- >Ashe, Sej and Liss have side boob. . . . You very clearly didn't understand the point of what I was saying when I mentioned Ashe, Sej and Lissandra are showing breast. You imply that female characters can only be either flat-chested or sexualized. They can't simply have breasts. Based on the Lissandra example, it's safe too lump Leona into this group since her bust is just as prominent. And yet, she and Diana are often referred to by the forums as an example of how *not* to sexualize female characters. If I'm misunderstanding your claim, then please elucidate. Since I'm betting DD has the same (or similar) interpretation. -------------------------- >You're supporting DD!? And if I ever have to do it again. . . . . . . . . Nothing will actually happen. But It's more fun to argue against him. (>_>)
Momentum (OCE)
: When I'm playing support...
Report noob support. Didn't use 6 {{item:3512}} , D {{summoner:4}} , F {{summoner:3}} , 7 {{item:3341}} You have 9 buttons. ***USE THEM!*** And don't you dare use the wrong passive as Sona (Not that anyone will notice).
Illâoi (EUW)
: I don't think it should be able to spy on camps. That's too powerful.
Well, there's really only 4 options for this. 1) Camps - screw jungler early 2) High traffic areas - screw teams mid-game, still hurts junglers early 3) Low traffic areas - not particularly useful 4) Pure defensive options (only targets your half of the map) or actually, 5. Just for fun: - Target a champion, the bird then searches them out and reveals them for 3 seconds. 300/240/180/120 second cooldown - can't be shooed away. Not affected by CDR.
: So, if Mordekaiser is as buggy and terrible as everyone says, why are there so many morde players all here?
The term you're looking for is, "vocal minority." Happy and/or unaffected people have no reason to speak up or get involved.
: Could even be just aesthetic for Fiddles. Like low health enemies start seeing ravens sitting atop nearby trees and walls. Thoroughly spooky
Plot twist: You're vesseled by Illaoi. Hunted by Warwick. And now spooked by Fiddle. RiP, toasters. And headphone users.
Illâoi (EUW)
: I don't think it would be truly random. It would be a lot like plants with spawn spots and rotations. You shoo the bird away from point A so after a small cooldown it flies to point B or C. These points should probably overlook passages and not camps, like the passage between Blue wall and Wolves wall, so Junglers have a way of avoiding them. It would probably only reveal in one direction in a cone, too, so you can attack it from behind without revealing yourself. Counterplay *and* reliability are both important with such a passive. Fiddlesticks/Swain could get better points or more birds depending on their level. Would they get points in their own Jungle, though? How about overlooking brush or looking at the river or the pits? Maybe late into the game?
Use kindred's passive mechanic to choose from select locations. Options are: looking into red/blue buff, looking into baron/dragon pit, Enemy's spawn turret, or patrolling your half of the jungle (Similar to wolves' old smite buff). Vision would still be limited so you can sneak up on it. Shooing away requires 1 AA, 2 if it can see you. Patrol option bounces between camps, but has a small vision radius (less than champion vision) so opponents can see it coming and hide. 180 second cooldown. Reduced by 60 seconds if shooed away. (There are 5 options because Kindred's passive has 5 slots.)
: They have, which is why they need to put it tight
>They have, which is why they need to put it ***tight*** You want to tighten the shackles even more!? ***YOU MONSTER!*** ;p
Bambei (NA)
: 3s is a seperate mmr from 5v5. Stop looking at 5v5 rank.
3v3 has ranked also. (>_>)
: And give her a little rework while they're at it, yes please...
Haven't they tortured her enough yet?
: > [{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RzLVv9R,comment-id=00050002,timestamp=2017-03-26T03:33:34.895+0000) > > Fixed. Wrong! I satisfied one of your progenitors, and not the one that is of the same chromosomal denomination as I. A-HA. YOU WALKED INTO THAT ONE, ARIEL. YOU WALKED INTO IT. [And I will never be able to resist the low brow jokes, thouest knoweth me]
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/2iEONJ8Y-racism-in-something-they-promote-as-a-sport?comment=0002000000000001000100010000 Care, DD. Someone might try to use those jokes against you. ;p
: So Riot can ignore it for a few years and then delete it. (I'm totally not biased in this opinion ok)
But Riot would *never* do something like that. *Surely* you claim is unfounded! [/sarcasm]
: Why are we ignoring Twisted Treeline
Because it's not SR. Or a variation of. Therefore, it is a waste of Riot's ~~time~~ ~~Resources~~ ~~Bullshit~~ ~~excuses~~ <Something less terrible sounding but accurate> to support.
Wacky9 (NA)
: Part of the problem is that Riot can only do a limited number of things a patch. They've already said that most patches are designed for Diamond and above, and with the increasing prominence of pros, most of Riot is (sadly) trying to keep high levels balanced. If people from Diamond only ever play Summoner's Rift, then Summoner's Rift will get the bulk of the updates.
TT has a ranked mode. That they temporarily *removed* during flex queue. Then they brought it back during the "team weekends" for pre-3's only. Now Yolo-queue ranked 3v3 is back and they don't know why fewer play it than before. :/
Elohaven (NA)
: People complaining about $300 gemstone skins
How to get gems from chests: Pray to RNGesus How to get chests as a support main: Pray to RNGesus your ADC isn't trash. How to get a non-trash ADC: Pray to RNGesus the ADC isn't auto-filled. RiP, me. (T_T)
: If we had the old mentality with today's system, this game would be great. But, as always, League players can't be satisfied with anything and have to find something to bitch about.
> But, as always,***PEOPLE*** can&#x27;t be satisfied with anything and have to find something to bitch about. Fixed.
: basically in old queue people just locked in a position they wanted to play even when it was picked already to force a dodge. Nowadays people just dodge, at least that's what I have noticed what changed.
: "If you can't play every role, you're not ready for ranked" vs. "ZMOG AUTFILL IS SO UNREASONABLE"
*"Supports need more xp."* VS *"Supports shouldn't have mandatory items."* VS *"Supports need more gold."* VS *"Supports should be able to buy items."* Cycle of the support community.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mUvH11q8,comment-id=0008000000000001,timestamp=2017-03-25T20:57:52.642+0000) > > Actually, it&#x27;s not. > Riot addressed this when she was released (It created a huge shit-storm). Riven is intended to have 2 primary weaknesses: Single damage type (physical), and glass-cannon melee. The shield is there to encourage building glass cannon and, by proxy, reduce her use of defensive items/stats. Take away the AD scaling, and you&#x27;d start seeing standard diver builds - 2 offense, 4 defense items. Damage goes down, survival goes up. I don't think getting a AP shield or spell shield would change how she builds much. Maybe thats just me, but I really don't believe she would be viable with 4 tank items without massive changes to her base stats since increasing her scaling would only encourage full AD builds as they already do.
Without the shield, Riven has no durability. Which was the point. You can replace it with an AP scaling, but then you'd have to buff the base values significantly to compensate for her never building AP. Give her a spell shield, and you still have to give her some form of sustain or increased resists (See Fiora and other divers). If you give her no kit defense, she is *forced* to build defensive items; which Riot doesn't want. AD scaling shield increases the attractiveness of her building glass cannon - which is what Riot wants. Non-scaling defenses lead to tank Yasuo. I agree with most that offense scaling defenses are a pain in the ass, but they *do* serve a purpose. At least in Riven's case. *(Sweeps Diana under the rug.)*
: A birthday miracle
RNGesus must love you. (>_>)
: > [{quoted}](name=Martial Nox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mUvH11q8,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-03-25T05:56:13.970+0000) > > I think it is because Riven is just entirely unfun to deal with. Short cooldowns, 2 forms of non-ult hard CC, tons of mobility, gets tank for building damage, execute ult. She isn&#x27;t overpowered but her kit is just entirely unfun for her opponent. She can survive mistakes in lane easy peasy with her shield but the second her opponent makes even the tiniest mistake poof they are dead. Overpowered? Nope. Cancer? Yup. Add to that the fact that the champ has a reputation for having incredibly toxic mains and there you have it. The hate Riven club. Well, I can't argue with that. She doesn't need two CC, even I can see that. If she got increased damage at the end of her Q or something to make the third cast special, that would be more fair, but the knockup I can understand to be annoying as hell. But keep in mind her mobility comes at the cost of damage and vice-versa. She is almost required to all in or stay completely out. And the AD shield is mostly there for the fun and novelty of it. If you really wanted to, you could swap it out for an AP shield like everyone else, but naturally you need to expect the base values, duration and/or resulting AP scaling to shoot through the roof to compensate, not that she needs anything more than a spell shield or something, which I personally think she should have. (The fighting game player inside me wants a sort of shoryuken, where she loses the dash and very, VERY briefly becomes untargetable, but thats just me.) That said, I don't think she needs an execute either. Most Rivens I watch arn't even using it, instead opting to throwing her wind slash at the start of a fight rather to end one, getting minimal damage as a result. She would need some number tweaks to compensate for the removal of this one too, since it is required to win in some matchups and teamfights. As for the cooldowns, yee, they are really short, but only after Riven has built max CDR. They are actually surprisingly painfully long without it. She could use some number tweaking here as well, again assuming she gets some level of compensation to keep her at her current power level, since she really is balanced around it. The one thing I will fight to the death for, however, is her combo oriented play style, and that includes the animation canceling. As a fighting game player first and foremost, its the main attraction. As it stands, Riven's fun to play playstyle and incredibly high and rewarding skill ceiling is what keeps me coming back to league. She can't lose that, or all the magic is gone.
>And the AD shield is mostly there for the fun and novelty of it. Actually, it's not. Riot addressed this when she was released (It created a huge shit-storm). Riven is intended to have 2 primary weaknesses: Single damage type (physical), and glass-cannon melee. The shield is there to encourage building glass cannon and, by proxy, reduce her use of defensive items/stats. Take away the AD scaling, and you'd start seeing standard diver builds - 2 offense, 4 defense items. Damage goes down, survival goes up.
robothax (NA)
: remember when shaco mains were crying because the rework "gutted him" but then it was a buff?
Remember when Vlad mains cried he was gutted, but the nerf didn't even ship? (>_>)
: Okay, why are you still allowed to make Zac invulnerable with Teleport?
Same reason you can teleport to thresh lanterns. https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/28770615.jpg Or almost anything that is a re-textured minion.
: Pretty sure Zac still respawns where he died
He does. And it's timer based. The point was to remove the bloblet's invulnerability so you can still kill him.
: Did they succeed? If so, how did they do it?
>Did the succeed? Ea canned them during the open beta. Guess not every game can make 900% profit in the first two days. (>_>) >If so, how did they do it? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2JXl9efO-its-late-so-take-this-with-a-grain-of-salt?comment=000d000000000000
H3rCarry (NA)
: What he is trying to say is technically Old Galio and New Galio can co-exist in League. Look at the Old vs New kits, none of the Old abilities are even remotely similar to the new. The only similarities at all are the taunt and MR scaling, and they them selves are completely different mechanics. If they had given New Galio a different Name and Visual, you would have no idea that it was a "Rework" of Old Galio. The same can be seen with Sion and Taric. So I am with him, there is a difference between Reworking a champion, and completely removing a champion and replacing it with something completely different. WW is a good example of a Rework, they kept the basics of his kit but tweaked him alot. Old WW and New WW could not co-exist, because they share some of the exact same abilities. Unlike Galios Tarics and Sions reworks, or should I say Removal-Works.
>or should I say Removal-Works. I believe the term you're looking for is, "relaunch." Though Riot tends to avoid that term after all the backlash it generated from the first few attempts.
Jaredan (NA)
: > Just curious, do you have any plans in the future to have some more dynamic lore with inter-champion interaction? Oh indeed we do. (I wouldn't take too much stock in the 'allies' and 'rvials' sections, they're a bit outmoded.)
>(I wouldn't take too much stock in the 'allies' and 'rvials' sections, they're a bit outmoded.) So Kled is no longer Kled's rival?
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