: > [{quoted}](name=B3AR ClAWS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NoPcYEFb,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-06T00:53:28.921+0000) > > That's exactly what I mean. My experience with them has been good, but I know that may not be the case with everyone upvote to you man i like the way you think and word your opinions and statements.
: Does this really justify a 14 day suspension?
I think you should be allowed to address that your teammate's pick is hurting the team (although arguing over champions is pointless as champ select is over). It didn't look like you were harassing anyone and I didn't see you attack anyone. Yeah you were being annoying and kind of an ass but I don't think you should've been punished for it. I've seen worse.
: That's exactly what I mean. My experience with them has been good, but I know that may not be the case with everyone
So I won't try to speak for everyone because I know that riot, like all game developers, has its flaws.
: > [{quoted}](name=B3AR ClAWS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NoPcYEFb,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T20:51:37.024+0000) > > told ya man. I've had a good experience with Riot. Sorry you can't say the same, but I'm not educated enough on Riot's policies and patches to be able to debate this with you. sorry :/ I respect how you answer people and how you manage yourself but how can you say " their player support is responsive and helpful in my experience and they do a good job making their game fun to play." then turn around and say you're not educated enough on their policies. Its like giving them a pat on the back for doing things right in your case but turning a blind eye when they screw so many things over.
That's exactly what I mean. My experience with them has been good, but I know that may not be the case with everyone
Fegone (NA)
: then what's next? a reformed player is still toxic, give them another 2nd 2nd chance at some point? No, your second chance was at the 14 day ban. Sorry to say this, but I'm glad that the roster is full, and you didn't get in. Nothing personal, but I don't believe it's worth unbanning 100 toxic players with the hope that they reform, chances are that 95 are still toxic and it will ultimately make the game even more toxic. I hope this experiment fails and will never return.
Not gonna get into this. Lets agree to disagree.
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send in a ticket in the support page if you want to report a player.
: You act like you are really in a state prison or something. Calm down, mate.
No, not really. I just want my account back.
: Too bad us americans are toxic lol
srsly tho yeah i hope NA players reform so other players and regions can have the same chance.
Ellena18 (EUW)
: tell me 1 good thing they did this season they dont even show up the player base data
told ya man. I've had a good experience with Riot. Sorry you can't say the same, but I'm not educated enough on Riot's policies and patches to be able to debate this with you. sorry :/
Arammus (EUW)
: also on you guys depends the fate of other servers. if na fucks up, other servers wont get that chance.
: What is this Reform Experiment?? I've never heard of it before. My old account from when I was younger was banned many years ago, now my new account is 3 years old, never had a ban or chat restrict. I think I've never AFK'd on this account either, no matter how exhausting some games were. Maybe once or twice if I don't remember. Would be cool if I could get my old account back cuz I reformed :p
There are some other posts on this board with a link to a reddit post that a rioter sent out, stating they would be helping permabanned accounts come back into the game. Players like you are who they want back it seems. They're looking for people who may have made mistakes but are now willing to put them in the past. Not sure when if ever they'll be doing this again. Good luck to you if they do.
Ellena18 (EUW)
: Well actually they will have the obligation to take off the permaban when they wont have people to play their broken game its just a matter of time.We are making them money, they dont do anything fix nothing and make you gaming experience bad because its reflecting on the game.Stop supporting riot
From my experience with any game producer, I think Riot is one of the better ones. their player support is responsive and helpful in my experience and they do a good job making their game fun to play. They also seem to do a fairly good job of listening to and responding to whatever the community has to say. It's no miracle that a game released in 2009 is still going strong in 2018. Anyways, if you'd like to debate this with someone you should probably contact a Rioter or post on a different board, as I'm no expert in this matter.
Rioter Comments
: so one of my friends was just banned for the same word, but the context of the word was toward me and herself as a joke, another player in the game took offense and was trying to tell the other team that my friend was directing it toward the player after the game... I really don't believe it was necessary for the ban, although a chat restriction would've been fine as my friend doesn't usually use offensive language. {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}}
yeah but I understand how some people would take offense to it even if it weren't directed at them. The game I got banned for, The person i was talking to wasn't the one who reported me. Other players were the ones who took offense and I guess i could understand it. It's not like we were in a one on one chat, and I now understand that that word is under the zero-tolerance policy. Still though, I don't think your friend should have been banned unless she has had previous penalties on her account. I was banned only because of previous punishments. If I didn't have a record already, I would probably have received a chat restriction or 2-week suspension.
: I wouldn't get exited. Riot will just pick the most toxic people to take part of it, that way they can turn around and say, "see, I told you so. Perma ban is the only way."
It also gives the non-toxic players who may have had slip-ups here and there to have another chance. I recently got my account perma'd for saying f_gg_t but I still try to be a good teammate. I never harass people or troll (trolling is inting, not having a bad game or playing something off-meta). If I don't reform I'll just get banned again in a few games so I don't see what the harm is in trying it out.
: > [{quoted}](name=B3AR ClAWS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xBiTIgY6,comment-id=000600000001,timestamp=2018-07-31T23:35:53.884+0000)I don't, however, think that someone should be punished for cursing in chat, so long as it isn't used to harass anyone. This is the way the system works currently. As long as you aren't using hate speech or harassing/insulting/belittling other players (or generally just using curses to make the game environment worse by constantly complaining), you can curse all you fucking want to. :)
yeah I guess that's why I got banned. I didn't mean to use the f_gt as hate speech but to some people it would fall under that category so the Instant Feedback system thought it punishable.
: You can try sending in a ticket and seeing if you can be apart of the experiment about reforming permabanned players. It may work, it may not, it is always worth a shot though. For the record, I don't believe anyone should be permabanned for using harsh language. Such as calling someone bad, or an idiot. So unless you were extremely prejudice, threatened their life, or cheated, regardless of your logs I don't think you should have been permabanned.
: I am just curious, how do you feel about that? For example, if I use the N word one time, or say "f-g" one time should I be severely punished? I know if I am using it in an extremely aggressive way, sure, but what about a normal manner like "You're being such a f-g" where basically you are not attacking their sexual status just using it in a general way. Like saying "idiot". Now, I do want to clarify I am not asking if you are for people calling other's idiots or anything like that, just the actual "straight to perma/14 week" for using the word in that type of way.
by using the n word or any derogatory term i still feel like someone could report you for it and you should be punished. I understand why I was reported and permabanned (because i had previously been suspended). I think that in all cases the use of the n word should be punished. It's much more severe than most other curses. I don't, however, think that someone should be punished for cursing in chat, so long as it isn't used to harass anyone.
: I would understand a chat restriction or suspension, but a permaban was undeserved.
update: so it seems that most people think the permaban is fair. I won't argue since they've have valid points. However, I know that there's some way for permabanned players to have a chance to reform and I'd like to try it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
: Doesn't seem like a permaban worth offense to me. I'd rather have someone call me a fa%%ot than have someone passive aggressively trolling.
that's my perspective, but I would also understand the people who said it's fair because of my previous suspension.
: We don't need chat logs to know that it was fair. You got banned before, you admitted you were toxic in them. Escalating punishment means that after a 2 week ban, you must not be toxic or you will be permanently banned. It's justified because the rules were very clear that this would happen.
except the ban shows that this was the particular game that banned me. I never harassed anyone but by the end of the game i said f_gg_t and called someone a tard. but yeah you're right about the previous suspension thing too.
: Edit: here are my chat logs Game 1 In-Game B3AR ClAWS: hes oom sej B3AR ClAWS: nvm dont B3AR ClAWS: nuu why do u hate fun tho B3AR ClAWS: thats not winning tho B3AR ClAWS: thats just being a tard B3AR ClAWS: BACK B3AR ClAWS: BACK B3AR ClAWS: TEEMO B3AR ClAWS: ur so fast B3AR ClAWS: %%%%%%
: I would understand a chat restriction or suspension, but a permaban was undeserved.
Edit: here are my chat logs Game 1 In-Game B3AR ClAWS: hes oom sej B3AR ClAWS: nvm dont B3AR ClAWS: nuu why do u hate fun tho B3AR ClAWS: thats not winning tho B3AR ClAWS: thats just being a tard B3AR ClAWS: BACK B3AR ClAWS: BACK B3AR ClAWS: TEEMO B3AR ClAWS: ur so fast B3AR ClAWS: %%%%%%
Rioter Comments
: dudes i feel sorry for{{champion:83}} he's so underused. could u plz update him
There should just be a visual rework for him. His actual gameplay is fine. I think the problem is people don't want to be playing with someone who looks like he just walked out of a dump truck. (sorry, but thats what it looks like)

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