: I did look into your post and have done a few removals, including from this thread, as we don't allow naming and shaming of other players, even fellow boards users. You can either report other problematic posts using the little button to the bottom right, or come to us on the [**NA Boards Discord**](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). I hadn't yet removed one comment, because I think it's strange we're looking at that one comment and not discussing the OP, which called Rioters "bitch" or just in general, the company, a "bitch." As well as telling the company to "Grow up." I will run the comment by other moderators, to get their opinions, as comments like "good riddance" don't align well with some of the goals of the punishment system nor the Player Behavior Board. As for anything regarding bias, we're always open to criticism, but do keep in mind two things: (1) we are a volunteer team, so we don't have time to get to every comment, (2) I try to hit the worst stuff on the boards. When you're upset about bias, keep in mind the much worse things are hopefully not currently on the boards, although that sentence sure as hell is going to {{champion:222}} it.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4V9t4ulf,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-29T17:36:55.082+0000) > > I did look into your post and have done a few removals, including from this thread, as we don't allow naming and shaming of other players, even fellow boards users. You can either report other problematic posts using the little button to the bottom right, or come to us on the [**NA Boards Discord**](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). > > I hadn't yet removed one comment, because I think it's strange we're looking at that one comment and not discussing the OP, which called Rioters "bitch" or just in general, the company, a "bitch." As well as telling the company to "Grow up." I will run the comment by other moderators, to get their opinions, as comments like "good riddance" don't align well with some of the goals of the punishment system nor the Player Behavior Board. > > As for anything regarding bias, we're always open to criticism, but do keep in mind two things: (1) we are a volunteer team, so we don't have time to get to every comment, (2) I try to hit the worst stuff on the boards. When you're upset about bias, keep in mind the much worse things are hopefully not currently on the boards, although that sentence sure as hell is going to {{champion:222}} it. That's funny. All the "unban" me players get mobbed and trolled by others, while you can get away with pretending you're on the Riot's side and taunt others. > [{quoted}](name=IAmTheLego,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4V9t4ulf,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-29T17:02:41.416+0000) > > I honestly don't care if direct or indirect on all this rule bs. Even if it breaks the rules or not. You have a small group of users who go around and blatantly pick a fight with the "easy" target. Sure, some are using jokes, but some are downright displacing anger on to them and you know it.
: >You don't have to read it this is just my personal rant I mean, if it's a personal rant wouldn't it fit better in the rant board?
He's right, you know? I'll even upvote if you move it there :/
: ***
LOL I made it here huh? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: Specialists are not mod, in case you didn't know. The way I interpret the post was more Ulanopo sharing ideas that the team has been discussing. With the addition of the new mods, they may bring finish discussing it and implement.
Oh thanks! I had someone giving me racial slur and deleting the entire post within 4 min and I saw that.
: If you want better games, look the players up on gg and dodge accordingly. I find when I do this players with better winrats are generaly less dickish
> [{quoted}](name=Red Mage FTS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4ab28wZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-28T23:43:29.314+0000) > > If you want better games, look the players up on gg and dodge accordingly. I find when I do this players with better winrats are generaly less dickish Yup, I do that. Though I get penalized, I'd rather play less toxic game with wins. LMAO.
Kei143 (NA)
: The source of toxicity is typically people tilting off the face of the earth via plays turned bad. You can make good plays and good shotcalling in attempts to untilt them. > ####Case study: #### Kayle and Heimer were both doing decently well and have gotten a few kills in laning phase and had decent CS. Our MF and Kayn were not the best, as they were feeding and had poor positioning, hence they weren't contributing at all . Kayle and Heimer started blame them for being bad and started to tilt. I said: "Kayle, Heimer, don't tilt on me now. We have 3 people whom are better than the enemy team, so let's ignore MF and kayn play around you two and we'll dominate fights together." I (Leona) started grouping around kayle and Heimer and they didn't disappoint. We won mid-game skirmishes 3v4 sometimes even 3v5, trading only my life for 4 of the enemy's. Kayle and Heimer was quiet during this time and we even managed to push the enemy into their inhibs. Unfortunately, Heimer decided to try to stay for inhib instead of resetting when the enemy respawns and killed Heimer. They rushed down mid lane and Kayle that just respawned wanted to get red buff, but MF whom was "split pushing" decided to rotate back into our jungle and took red buff. You can see Kayle was tilted off the face of earth again because MF took the red as Kayle stop in her tracks and not pay attention to the map, when I engaged on the enemy. As Kayle didn't rotate to mid lane as soon as she saw MF taking red, her follow up to my engage was delayed and we lost the fight and the game. --- --- For a period of time, I was able to bring them back into the game. Just that other bad plays tilted them off the face of the earth, which weren't in position to recover. It's possible to untilt people, but it doesn't always work. Those tilted people are also very prone to go back into tilt if anything goes against their expectations, but they aren't impossible to untilt.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4ab28wZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-28T21:50:08.026+0000) > > The source of toxicity is typically people tilting off the face of the earth via plays turned bad. > > You can make good plays and good shotcalling in attempts to untilt them. > > Kayle and Heimer were both doing decently well and have gotten a few kills in laning phase and had decent CS. Our MF and Kayn were not the best, as they were feeding and had poor positioning, hence they weren't contributing at all . Kayle and Heimer started blame them for being bad and started to tilt. > > I said: "Kayle, Heimer, don't tilt on me now. We have 3 people whom are better than the enemy team, so let's ignore MF and kayn play around you two and we'll dominate fights together." > > I (Leona) started grouping around kayle and Heimer and they didn't disappoint. We won mid-game skirmishes 3v4 sometimes even 3v5, trading only my life for 4 of the enemy's. Kayle and Heimer was quiet during this time and we even managed to push the enemy into their inhibs. > > Unfortunately, Heimer decided to try to stay for inhib instead of resetting when the enemy respawns and killed Heimer. They rushed down mid lane and Kayle that just respawned wanted to get red buff, but MF whom was "split pushing" decided to rotate back into our jungle and took red buff. > > You can see Kayle was tilted off the face of earth again because MF took the red as Kayle stop in her tracks and not pay attention to the map, when I engaged on the enemy. As Kayle didn't rotate to mid lane as soon as she saw MF taking red, her follow up to my engage was delayed and we lost the fight and the game. > > > --- > --- > > For a period of time, I was able to bring them back into the game. Just that other bad plays tilted them off the face of the earth, which weren't in position to recover. > > It's possible to untilt people, but it doesn't always work. Those tilted people are also very prone to go back into tilt if anything goes against their expectations, but they aren't impossible to untilt. Yeah, I agree. See here's the thing, for some reason I get more KYS from the players who I help carry and give them all the kills. The Racial slur comes from losing sides and blame games are also from losing games. Just my personal experience, I get more straight up ZT words from players who are eager to climb.
rujitra (NA)
: Why do we have anything then? Language is a farce. You don’t mean what you say. So why do we write laws? I can say that “do not run a red light” means “the government must buy me a hippo” and you can’t prove it doesn’t. Oh wait, you can, because language has meaning. If you’re cussing someone out, it’s not a joke. If you think it is, then you are at odds with 90+% of people who speak English. Language is based upon commonality. By the way, the freedom of speech applies only to the government. It does not apply to private spaces such as private property. Imagine if someone came into your house screaming obscenities at your spouse/child and you weren’t allowed to throw them out.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4i5Fv86O,comment-id=00040000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-28T21:05:33.839+0000) > > Why do we have anything then? Language is a farce. You don’t mean what you say. So why do we write laws? I can say that “do not run a red light” means “the government must buy me a hippo” and you can’t prove it doesn’t. > > Oh wait, you can, because language has meaning. If you’re cussing someone out, it’s not a joke. If you think it is, then you are at odds with 90+% of people who speak English. Language is based upon commonality. > > By the way, the freedom of speech applies only to the government. It does not apply to private spaces such as private property. Imagine if someone came into your house screaming obscenities at your spouse/child and you weren’t allowed to throw them out. Quick question, is the player guideline in effect? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/m4geAK5V-updated-player-behavior-guidelines
Rioter Comments
: There is absolutely no counter to toxicity in this game. You can mute it but if you already saw the message the damage is done.
> [{quoted}](name=Warwick Main,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4ab28wZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-28T20:33:39.771+0000) > > There is absolutely no counter to toxicity in this game. You can mute it but if you already saw the message the damage is done. LOL
Rioter Comments
: So why are you allowing players to intentionally feed again?
You think Riot cares? They allow these behaviors because they have no idea what they are doing.
: soft inting & stand-still jungle bush afk seems to have existed ever since birth of Christ
Riot truly dont care about people who love the game and have passion, they only care about the braindead robots that are programmed to not flame, not judge the balance team, and buy the useless skins
: ok... im starting to have doubts on how inters are detected now.
Remember Riot doesn't give a rat's ass about us in the first place.
Rioter Comments
: Doesn't know how to dispute what i said, so just continues to go off topic. lol. It's ok, whether you read my response or not won't change your close mindedness.
> [{quoted}](name= Makíse Kurisu,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wEbVOkNh,comment-id=000b0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-15T08:57:26.342+0000) > > Doesn't know how to dispute what i said, so just continues to go off topic. lol. > > It's ok, whether you read my response or not won't change your close mindedness. Don't Bother. Some people are here to banter or taunt others to vent stress they can't do in league :)
Lokokaze (NA)
: Punishment System
Look at the percentage that gets punished. If I remember for chat restriction, it's 5% while 0.006% for ban. I see toxicity 1 in 4-6games and I wonder if that 5% is bugged or not. Really weird that I get assured that by Riot that they are doing their job well.
: Disgusting levels of "Smug" towards new players.
Yup. League isn't friendly to new players. Riot lost touch with their player base long time ago. The only that matters is skins and E-sport. Punishing and experimenting gameplays. New players? What's that?
: Could I please get the Orianna skin, I'm sorry for being bad
amberdogs (EUW)
: Chatting With Support
SUE RIOT PLZ! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: Honor is no joke to riot. Their robots work hard to confirm you leaving the game was the right thing to do. Wp riot. Wp.
> [{quoted}](name=HellawhiteIII,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p6ArmnoR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-12T01:43:24.310+0000) > > Honor is no joke to riot. > > Their robots work hard to confirm you leaving the game was the right thing to do. > > Wp riot. > > Wp. THIS :)
LeiRaion (NA)
: Punishment System Confusion
Riot doesnt care about good players. They care about_ bad_ players :(
: 20 minute penalty for disconnecting in a bot game???
PaniczBoski (EUNE)
: How can I not tilt?
Ints, and ruin your game. Waste 20min of your time. Good system Riot!
: I don't think people should be punished for telling others to report people
But noooooo, You need to take it all then report at the end :/
wolf jade (EUNE)
: i was stupid
Nothing. Just bend over and take it like daddy Riot tells you to.
: Chat Restriction And End Of Season Rewards
: Protection of the Riot Devs!! (Rather Important!!)
Rioters are another category of species.
Vreivai (NA)
: Ok. What about the 20 year-old Pakistani who grew up in a conservative Muslim household who was taught that someone saying they do not believe in Allah is more offensive than calling someone the N word? Or, to bring it closer to home, the teenage child of a white supremacist who frequently uses the N word and live in a town where everyone frequently uses the N word? Oh, and ignorance of the law is not an excuse partly because the law is clearly fucking spelled out in an easily accessible location. This game's rules are not in any way clearly spelled out. The Summoner's Code is the most vague set of rules I've ever seen.
> [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4yItHtAV,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-11T04:17:03.924+0000) > > Ok. > > What about the 20 year-old Pakistani who grew up in a conservative Muslim household who was taught that someone saying they do not believe in Allah is more offensive than calling someone the N word? > > Or, to bring it closer to home, the teenage child of a white supremacist who frequently uses the N word and live in a town where everyone frequently uses the N word? > > Oh, and ignorance of the law is not an excuse partly because the law is clearly fucking spelled out in an easily accessible location. This game's rules are not in any way clearly spelled out. The Summoner's Code is the most vague set of rules I've ever seen. That's just a sad place. If religion defines everything why isn't half the world who isn't Muslim dead? Because _they_ know it is wrong. This is NA not middle east. Ignorance of law applies to gray zone not hate speech or racism. You wouldn't talk like that in your workplace?
: I am a reformed player
amberdogs (EUW)
: Racism Pre - In - Post Game
What's the point of this?
: Well, they’re players just like everyone else, but a few times, players that are punished can be extremely rude, which I feel is consistent with the behavior in game. I realize that’s not always the case. I think losing that honor provides incentive to continue gaining honor, since just remaining at 5 wouldn’t take considerable sportsmanlike effort.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uFu7iXQH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-11T02:17:42.538+0000) > > Well, they’re players just like everyone else, but a few times, players that are punished can be extremely rude, which I feel is consistent with the behavior in game. I realize that’s not always the case. > > I think losing that honor provides incentive to continue gaining honor, since just remaining at 5 wouldn’t take considerable sportsmanlike effort. I hope you get punished by Poro king ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Sarutobi (NA)
: {{champion:33}}
{{champion:33}}
: My Perma Ban
> [{quoted}](name=MEME Iniquity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4yItHtAV,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-10T23:47:15.821+0000) > > To be honest, I have been a toxic ish player for a while.... but I didn't think I would get permabanned. I > MEME Iniquity: %%%%%% xd > MEME Iniquity: ur a %%%.got > MEME Iniquity: retard > MEME Iniquity: retard > MEME Iniquity: you cbnat > MEME Iniquity: your useless (*you're I'll even fix your grammer for you) > MEME Iniquity: your retarded (*you're) > MEME Iniquity: i mean your actually autistic Bye-Bye ZT is a no-no
Danksley (NA)
: Honor should reset downwards for everyone
This is _stupid_. This probably will create a recipe for toxicity.
: How could I received an account banned for MMR boosting since I did not play for almost a week?
This one is tricky. You have consistent winrate for your main champ for 4 seasons. The only thing I am betting is IP or location catching. But Riot is pretty at concluding do... _Probably justified._
PaniczBoski (EUNE)
: Getting permabanned for calling people toxic and asking the enemy team for report?
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: Muting a player should follow into post game lobby
Sounds like something hard for Rito.
Knupera (NA)
: INTING SION!! RIOT NEEDS TO FIX IT
I do zero damage tryndamere and it's a strategy :)))))
: My little brother is a teenager and his group of friends are the most toxic players ever
: Gameplay+
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} This is interesting to watch.
: > [{quoted}](name=Bansheenoir,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eHGdgA3h,comment-id=0045,timestamp=2018-11-09T05:28:54.355+0000)Cater to daddy Riot and delete a post that makes a logical argument against Rito If a post is not breaking the rules (and neither making a logical argument nor complaining about Riot is breaking the rules), then we do not delete discussions or posts. When those discussions or posts contain violations, however, we will.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eHGdgA3h,comment-id=00450000,timestamp=2018-11-09T05:59:13.418+0000) > > If a post is not breaking the rules (and neither making a logical argument nor complaining about Riot is breaking the rules), then we do not delete discussions or posts. When those discussions or posts contain violations, however, we will. I hope you get attacked by poros on your home. xd
: Banning Hovered Champion
Yup, Riot sure loves these people.
: Lots of toxic players in my games recently
: Delete
> [{quoted}](name=BeatleZzz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nGtM2qEX,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-10T03:04:20.058+0000) > > Please stop lying. > It's despicable. It's the other guy who boosted. OP rank shamed him for boosting. I think he was doing god's work TBH.
: How does an INTENTIONAL FEEDER go undetected?
Riot helping those affected by trolls and toxic? They are going to just giggle at you. LOL
SS1986 (NA)
: So my posts get removed for elo shaming but clearly riot can do it
It's funny how we make something close to mirageofpenguins and we get either deleted or reported. Holding everyone to the standards but Rioter can do it? Sounds hypocritical to me.
: > Are you just not accountable for the quality of your product the way other teams at Riot are? Is that a joke? Look at this client, dude. It's hot garbage. Look at the balance team. If anything, the player behavioral team deserves a fucking medal for doing something that's not complete shit.
> [{quoted}](name=disregardable,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EaE8Az3q,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-10T01:46:16.526+0000) > > Is that a joke? Look at this client, dude. It's hot garbage. Look at the balance team. > > If anything, the player behavioral teal deserves a fucking medal for doing something that's not complete shit. Yup. Funny how Riot thinks they understand us.
Iceberf (EUW)
: Abbusive Players made me uninstall & I'm not looking back.
:/ Riot used to be healthy chat based. Now? Toxic as f.
: Reforming to regain access to a permabanned account?
Eedat (NA)
: He's a Herald here so they have to encourage a 100% strict following of the summoner's code but let me break it down for you. Saying "report and move on" isn't going to get you banned. What is going to get you banned it fighting and flaming back then not muting them and fighting some more. Personally if someone is being particularly ham on the insults I tell them to fuck off then mute them. **Never once been chat restricted in 5 years.** Just don't go off on everybody and don't go off on people having a bad game. Simple as that. I legit don't give a fuck about "making someone feel bad" when they're going out of their way to make others feel bad. To a degree of course. There's a difference between telling some asshole to fuck off and sinking to their level.
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JLcV2yr0,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-11-09T22:38:59.208+0000) > > He's a Herald here so they have to encourage a 100% strict following of the summoner's code but let me break it down for you. Saying "report and move on" isn't going to get you banned. What is going to get you banned it fighting and flaming back then not muting them and fighting some more. Personally if someone is being particularly ham on the insults I tell them to fuck off then mute them. **Never once been chat restricted in 5 years.** Just don't go off on everybody and don't go off on people having a bad game. Simple as that. I legit don't give a fuck about "making someone feel bad" when they're going out of their way to make others feel bad. To a degree of course. There's a difference between telling some asshole to fuck off and sinking to their level. See, this is the answer I am looking for :)
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