: And that's why you're able to mute that kinda stuff, there's a reason for everything. Riot add's emotes and shit for fun, and if people don't like them, it's mutable. And I agree with you on the stress from ranked thing, that's why I'm against from toxic bm like flaming your own team/enemys for doing bad. And just a fan of shits and giggles like emotes and dance spamming.
> [{quoted}](name=Best Valor NA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Enhh4X3U,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-05T06:51:49.111+0000) > > And that's why you're able to mute that kinda stuff, there's a reason for everything. Riot add's emotes and shit for fun, and if people don't like them, it's mutable. That's true, but you don't think straight when tilted. You fight back and start an argument, etc. It doesn't take much more than that first death to start running it down mid and saying " GG game over." It's far too common, even in normals.
: That's not logical. Just because it's known that people do speak rudely doesn't mean others take it to heart. You're making a claim that doesn't follow reason.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Enhh4X3U,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-05T06:46:10.456+0000) > > That's not logical. > > Just because it's known that people do speak rudely doesn't mean others take it to heart. You're making a claim that doesn't follow reason. Hatred breeds hatred. Those ragers/trolls in ranked are induced by others. Just look at Tyler 1 . He was a huge troller, but if you check his first few streams, tons of people trolled him. Banned Draven, intentionally feeding the enemy team, etc.
: What's your definition of BM? For some people it's just how people have fun. I like to taunt and dance or emote when I get a cheeky kill, but that's all fun and games. Riot added that stuff in game for a reason. Unless you mean toxicity in all chat, then I agree that it's kinda dumb.
> [{quoted}](name=Best Valor NA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Enhh4X3U,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-05T06:28:27.484+0000) > > What's your definition of BM? For some people it's just how people have fun. I like to taunt and dance or emote when I get a cheeky kill, but that's all fun and games. Riot added that stuff in game for a reason. > > Unless you mean toxicity in all chat, then I agree that it's kinda dumb. Personally, I feel like that adds to the emotional distress that people already feel when tilted. You know those clips on youtube where people throw their keyboard, or scream, etc? Well, that's a lot more common than you would think. I see BM'ing as not helping with the problem, but exacerbating it. I just feel like casual game modes like Normals and Arams should be free from all the stress that comes from ranked.
: To the people who take bm in an anonymous setting to heart: Who hurt you?
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Enhh4X3U,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-05T06:29:58.682+0000) > > To the people who take bm in an anonymous setting to heart: > > Who hurt you? Unfortunately, a lot of people take it to heart. That's why League is well known to be such a toxic game. When the majority of people acknowledge how toxic the game is, shouldn't something be done rather than just telling everyone to not take it personally? I enjoy playing the game with friends who are new, but if even a casual game of normals or aram has toxicity, what does say about the community in general?
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: A QoL buff would be improving the responsiveness of her AAs after using E. Not fucking halving the CD of Q during R. That's a straight power buff to a champion that not only didn't need it, but should never be allowed to be good.
> [{quoted}](name=PrinceOfStorms,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=voWR5OcZ,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-10T04:08:25.403+0000) > > A QoL buff would be improving the responsiveness of her AAs after using E. > > Not fucking halving the CD of Q during R. That's a straight power buff to a champion that not only didn't need it, but should never be allowed to be good. And why should she never be allowed to be good? Having her q be half cd during ult isn't as broken as you might think. The videos you might see on vandiril or any other youtube videos are overly exaggerated. Not only do most games not last long enough for her to get to that late game tumble spamming, she will not be building cdr in the first place. And if Vayne does build 45% cdr, she is sacrificing a lot of dps for it cuz botrk guinsoo is so much better. Not only that, but that cdr build would be so much weaker without when her ult is on cd.
JulianMX (EUW)
: How is Vayne and Nasus BUFF even a thing to THINK about?
I feel like people are exaggerating how strong vayne will be after the patch. She will not be permanently stealthed until late game AND have 45% cdr. Which hint hint, she doesn't build cdr. this buff is just a quality of life buff more than anything else
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: I'm dismissing his argument because it's the same old circle jerk that it's always been with very little truth to it. It's not even an argument. It's just salty tears. If zed is fed, he doesn't need ult; if he is not, he does. That's the same case with every single assassin. I pointed out brand to point out the irony of his post. Brand is FAR more oppressive than zed, especially since the liandry buffs. I'd go against 1000 zeds before I faced a brand. Zed being manaless means nothing as soon as a mage spends 1300g and is practically the same. If you have anything to contribute to the conversation, say it, otherwise go away. League doesn't need any more silver circlejerks crowding its boards :)
> [{quoted}](name=Bardent Censer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AoisWjVf,comment-id=002500000001,timestamp=2018-10-01T19:05:10.182+0000) > > I'm dismissing his argument because it's the same old circle jerk that it's always been with very little truth to it. It's not even an argument. It's just salty tears. If zed is fed, he doesn't need ult; if he is not, he does. That's the same case with every single assassin. > > I pointed out brand to point out the irony of his post. Brand is FAR more oppressive than zed, especially since the liandry buffs. I'd go against 1000 zeds before I faced a brand. Zed being manaless means nothing as soon as a mage spends 1300g and is practically the same. > > If you have anything to contribute to the conversation, say it, otherwise go away. League doesn't need any more silver circlejerks crowding its boards :) Idk bout you, but i play bot and I go against brand supports all the time. I never had trouble with him. Also, didnt Riot nerf mage's mana not too long ago? They can't just clear the wave without using a lot of mana like Zed can.
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> [{quoted}](name=Bardent Censer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AoisWjVf,comment-id=0025,timestamp=2018-10-01T00:35:35.701+0000) > > Your most played champ is {{champion:63}} and you're complaining about balance and not needing ult? Absolutely incredible. > > You're overdue for your prescribed medication: Git Gud. I recommend multiple doses immediately. And what does that have anything to do with his argument? You're dismissing his argument because he plays Brand?? None of what he says is wrong. Zed doesn't need ult to kill anyone anymore and he is manaless. If you have anything meaningful to add to the discussion say it, otherwise go away. League doesn't need anymore toxicity.
: Agreed she has a strong burst, but she also needs this strong burst, it's all the damage she has, and if ahead, she shouldn't do the same as if she was behind
> [{quoted}](name=Kurt Hyzan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kdEFi6LA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-18T19:57:01.273+0000) > > Agreed she has a strong burst, but she also needs this strong burst, it's all the damage she has, and if ahead, she shouldn't do the same as if she was behind Why does she *need* it though? Literally every other tank won't burst you as hard if they build full tank, so I don't get why she should.
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: I wish they'd change him and give him the tools to go mid rather than bot as a support... he only goes down there because the targets are squishier, his base damages are high, and his % health damage means he can do a lot of damage with very little gold or items. :/ he isn't a support, not in any real sense, but people get away with calling him one because he has a single stun. Before the MYMU, you almost never saw support brand.
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MVlPfTEe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-06T16:45:37.557+0000) > > I wish they'd change him and give him the tools to go mid rather than bot as a support... he only goes down there because the targets are squishier, his base damages are high, and his % health damage means he can do a lot of damage with very little gold or items. :/ he isn't a support, not in any real sense, but people get away with calling him one because he has a single stun. Before the MYMU, you almost never saw support brand. Actually, the reason he sees more play as support is mostly because of his ult. In mid, you might not always be able to have your ult bounce on the intended target, but at bot, it will usually bounce between adc and support because they are usually grouped together.
god daimmq (EUNE)
: About the zoe nerfs coming in 8.16
I think the biggest problem people have with zoe is how she can just come out of nowhere and oneshot you. Like if you're in lane and she throws a long bubble, and then chunks you for 80% of your hp. Or even worse, she lands a q with no set up and still chunks you for half... Her whole concept as a champion, to have a single spell do the majority of your damage, is just unhealthy in general. Remember when nidalee mid was a thing? And why that was nerfed? Who tf thought it would be a good idea to create a whole champion revolved around a single spell.
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: Ok well you are literally on a forum asking for criticism and not hearing a word of it so you are making yourself out to be the perfect hypocrite right now. You are not taking the opinion of people who trying to help you by pointing out what you are doing wrong which is exactly what you are blaming these randos for.
> [{quoted}](name=Erol The Nomad,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=15XHqV7a,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2018-07-06T17:22:11.921+0000) > > Ok well you are literally on a forum asking for criticism and not hearing a word of it so you are making yourself out to be the perfect hypocrite right now. You are not taking the opinion of people who trying to help you by pointing out what you are doing wrong which is exactly what you are blaming these randos for. So far, everyone's been saying something along the lines of "Only voice my opinions respectfully and don't shove it down their throats." I agree. That's like saying water is wet lol. I'm not arguing against that. My argument is that people are too easy to anger when faced with any sort of criticism. I'm saying people should lighten up.
: They are trying to tell you that you are too eager to offer your own opinion to people who you haven't bothered to ask their's. I don't take criticisms from strangers either and the only times I have, I've had a bad time because strangers online are the most common source of criticism. You have to prove yourself as sympathetic or people will assume you are being bossy. Telling people to not be sensitive and demanding they take your criticism is most likely to lead to them muting or disregarding you.
> [{quoted}](name=Erol The Nomad,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=15XHqV7a,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-07-06T05:09:29.758+0000) > > They are trying to tell you that you are too eager to offer your own opinion to people who you haven't bothered to ask their's. I don't take criticisms from strangers either and the only times I have, I've had a bad time because strangers online are the most common source of criticism. You have to prove yourself as sympathetic or people will assume you are being bossy. Telling people to not be sensitive and demanding they take your criticism is most likely to lead to them muting or disregarding you. And that's exactly what's wrong with League. People are so stuck up and think they are always right. Sure sometimes ( or maybe the majority of the time) the criticism is straight up bad, but then don't take it personally then. League is a game just like any other. I don't get upset or throw fits when people criticise my Maplestory build, or my combos in whatever fighter game. It's because I know I'm not perfect and still have lots to learn. Maybe this has more to do with the competitiveness of League, but people don't see to enjoy playing anymore. You don't have to take the criticism to heart. If you don't like it then don't mind it. Laugh it off, or just say "Ok" half-heartedly. No need to insult each other back or troll when things don't go your way. At the end of it all, League is only a game and games are supposed to be fun. _I shouldn't have to worry about hurting your feelings when making a slight suggestion towards your way._
Ulanopo (NA)
: >You're not gonna get very far in life if you cry whenever your boss has something to say. Funny, I don't remember hiring anyone to coach me. Oh wait, you're saying I should just let some rando on the internet talk down to me? Yeah, not gonna happen. I find the people most interested in giving me their opinion tend to have the least valuable opinions. Kind of an inverse correlation thing. Now, I'm not going to cuss you out when you do that, understanding the rule against adding to toxicity as I do, but you can bet you're getting muted, plus a sweet little report for harassment when the game is done. >This is so frustrating because it's become a chore to talk to them and tell them what they're doing wrong. What _you're_ doing wrong is presuming it's okay to boss people around. I bet you'll have a better time of things if you let go of trying to control the people around you and focus on the stuff you're responsible for. That's a suggestion for life _AND_ for League.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=15XHqV7a,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-06T03:54:07.275+0000) > > Funny, I don't remember hiring anyone to coach me. Oh wait, you're saying I should just let some rando on the internet talk down to me? Yeah, not gonna happen. I find the people most interested in giving me their opinion tend to have the least valuable opinions. Kind of an inverse correlation thing. > > Now, I'm not going to cuss you out when you do that, understanding the rule against adding to toxicity as I do, but you can bet you're getting muted, plus a sweet little report for harassment when the game is done. > > What _you're_ doing wrong is presuming it's okay to boss people around. I bet you'll have a better time of things if you let go of trying to control the people around you and focus on the stuff you're responsible for. That's a suggestion for life _AND_ for League. You seem to be getting the wrong idea. I'm not saying it's ok to talk down to people, but rather to tell them what they're doing wrong and help them fix it. I understand some people might not want that, and that's fine, but being totally unreceptive to constructive feedback will not improve your game in the future. I am Silver and we make tons of mistakes in our Elo. What I'd like is for people to give me kind feedback as to what I can improve on if I'm starting out on graves jungle maybe as an adc main. I , in no way, condone "talking down to people" because we're all human and tilt, but I want to make an environment where everyone helps one another improve.
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: ##He'S aN aSsAasIn It'S tHeIr JoB ##He HaD 8 kIlLs ThAt'S sUpEr FeD
> [{quoted}](name=Altiverse,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vhdgT42g,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2018-07-02T07:34:23.613+0000) > > ##He'S aN aSsAasIn It'S tHeIr JoB > ##He HaD 8 kIlLs ThAt'S sUpEr FeD That's exactly what's wrong with the game right now. Too much damage!! Nerf the damage part and make teamfights longer, make it so people can actually DO SOMETHING.
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: > [{quoted}](name=PuppyLöve,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RMddhEo,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T02:24:18.381+0000) > > That depends. Not only do top lane towers have much more resistances early, a lot of top laners can 1v2 fairly well. Some examples I can think of are Gnar, Darius, Yorick, even Nasus with enough stacks. As long as they have some sort of cc, they can deter tower dives and just farm under tower. Bot lane on the other hand, are all squishy. And that's not even considering the fact that tanks, even when behind, are still useful in teamfights. If either of the bot laners 2v1ing the top laner have a brain... or the jungler has a brain.... there is no top laner in the game whos making it out of that 2v1 with his tower or without dying and then the tower being taken after.
> [{quoted}](name=Faster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RMddhEo,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T04:35:48.802+0000) > > If either of the bot laners 2v1ing the top laner have a brain... or the jungler has a brain.... there is no top laner in the game whos making it out of that 2v1 with his tower or without dying and then the tower being taken after. If your jungler or mid has a brain, they'd usually come up there to help. Hell, they can go bot for drake or bot tower if so many people on the other team goes top. Most of the time, if your team comes up, then either a fight starts or everyone backs off. In any case, having tp makes it so much easier defending towers and maintaining cs/exp.
remakoro (EUNE)
: {{item:3504}} NEW... You know it was actually giving heal for AA before? Fucking {{item:3190}} got absolutely obliterated since season 6. They changed it first (not gonna say buffed it cuz they removed that sweet MR aura) And then they just kept nerfing it. Unless you build a A SHITLOAD of HP you gonna get shield for less amount than before they turned it into decaying shield. Dont know dude. ADCs still kicking even after they went all out with nerfs on support items. Only redemption remains crazy but damn it has 120s CD. >For the first time in a long time, assassins can't just ignore the support. They are real champions again, but that also means when bot lane is ahead, it is much harder to come back because you can't just jump in and kill the adc anymore. You mean enchanters right? You DO mean enchanters dont you? Cuz tanky supports could shine really well before and were dealing with assassins pretty damn well. But its hard to play them right now and quite likely things gonna get even worse for them. So prepare to see even more enchanters. You could also take APC as support and carry from that slot with raw dmg and some utility. Kinda risky right now with all those assassins roaming around though. So i really dont know what you are talking about. And enchanters never really suffered as well. They keep getting nerfs to their kits. Remember what happened to Sona, Karma, Soraka. Stop shifting the blame. People playing 2-3 same fucking disengage supports that can give steroids and shields to ADC all this season for a good reason.
> [{quoted}](name=remakoro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RMddhEo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:56:51.258+0000) > > {{item:3504}} NEW... > > You know it was actually giving heal for AA before? Fucking {{item:3190}} got absolutely obliterated since season 6. They changed it first (not gonna say buffed it cuz they removed that sweet MR aura) And then they just kept nerfing it. Unless you build a A SHITLOAD of HP you gonna get shield for less amount than before they turned it into decaying shield. Dont know dude. ADCs still kicking even after they went all out with nerfs on support items. Only redemption remains crazy but damn it has 120s CD. > > You mean enchanters right? You DO mean enchanters dont you? Cuz tanky supports could shine really well before and were dealing with assassins pretty damn well. But its hard to play them right now and quite likely things gonna get even worse for them. So prepare to see even more enchanters. > You could also take APC as support and carry from that slot with raw dmg and some utility. Kinda risky right now with all those assassins roaming around though. So i really dont know what you are talking about. > And enchanters never really suffered as well. They keep getting nerfs to their kits. Remember what happened to Sona, Karma, Soraka. > > Stop shifting the blame. People playing 2-3 same fucking disengage supports that can give steroids and shields to ADC all this season for a good reason. I meant enchanters lol, my bad. My problem with them is how easy it is to abuse their kit. There's a reason why Janna, Nami, and Sona always have higher win rates than their engage counterparts like Blitz, Nautilus, Leona, etc.
remakoro (EUNE)
: Most likely top laner will get fucked if he will have to lane vs 2 people. Without stopping anything.
> [{quoted}](name=remakoro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RMddhEo,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:57:57.884+0000) > > Most likely top laner will get fucked if he will have to lane vs 2 people. Without stopping anything. That depends. Not only do top lane towers have much more resistances early, a lot of top laners can 1v2 fairly well. Some examples I can think of are Gnar, Darius, Yorick, even Nasus with enough stacks. As long as they have some sort of cc, they can deter tower dives and just farm under tower. Bot lane on the other hand, are all squishy. And that's not even considering the fact that tanks, even when behind, are still useful in teamfights.
: even before i took a 2yr break towers melting to adc (especially trist) were an issue and even after the turret buffs they were still only saved for an extra min or 2. if you boosted bot lanes turrets, then ppl would just swap top and bot so top would be the saem as bot is now. only way to "equalize" it would be giving turrets a ranged dmg reduction so it effects all lanes so they couldnt get around it. and that itself would make ppl mad i assume.
> [{quoted}](name=PeachsProperty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RMddhEo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:41:25.621+0000) > > even before i took a 2yr break towers melting to adc (especially trist) were an issue and even after the turret buffs they were still only saved for an extra min or 2. > > if you boosted bot lanes turrets, then ppl would just swap top and bot so top would be the saem as bot is now. > > > only way to "equalize" it would be giving turrets a ranged dmg reduction so it effects all lanes so they couldnt get around it. > > and that itself would make ppl mad i assume. It wouldn't be the same because bot lane is two people, so it will snowball more. If the mid laner and jungle went top, it would only mean 1 kill. Not only that, but top laners have tp, so they can tp instantly to stop tower damage. Bot lane on the other hand, dont have the luxury of tp, so most times, when both bot laners die, it means tower is down 100%.
: Are ADC's really broken?
To elaborate on the significance of an early lead. Compare 1400 gold to 2000 gold. Even though it is only 600 gold apart, that is 30% more gold. Compare that to let's say 6000 gold and 6600, that is only 10% more even though it's the same 600 gold apart. The difference in 600 gold 15 minutes in is so significant because you rush Crit so much faster.The the laning phase being so short means these leads mean so much more.
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: If this game positions were north american animals...
ADC would have to be humans. They constantly take resources and think they're the most important person on the team.
: Why Is Tristana Allowed To Have So Much Range?
The only reason Tristana is being looked at as "OP" this season , or any other late game adc for that matter is the fact that they are supposed to have weak early games and have expensive item builds. However, Riot has nerfed a ton of mage supports as well as any adc bullies, which make her early pushing from passive e less punishable. That means she can get through early-mid game without any risk. I think riot should simply nerf late game ADC's as a whole instead of nerfing tristana alone.
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