Rioter Comments
: always customs..
> [{quoted}](name=JoeAnarchy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=epejN05L,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-16T02:11:12.657+0000) > > always customs.. Tried, games take forever to start, people leave during the game as soon as their team goes down 1 kill.
damabevi (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=BearExperiment,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=epejN05L,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-09-16T01:28:56.441+0000) > > The game isn't entirely decided at character select, you still have to play the game. Picking what you want would be nice, but apparently pretty much everyone only wants to pick characters that are S tier, or maybe grit their teeth and play an A tier champion occasionaly. Every single game. so? if they like to play strong champions let them play strong champions
> [{quoted}](name=damabevi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=epejN05L,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-09-16T02:04:08.913+0000) > > so? if they like to play strong champions let them play strong champions They are free to do so. Would be nice if they would leave that mentality in ranked, but lets assume it's true they can only have fun playing top tier characters. ARSR would be an option for players who want to get away from those people and see some character diversity in a game with 140 characters.
damabevi (EUW)
: it boggles my mind how some people would rather have their games be decided by rng than actually being able to play what they want
> [{quoted}](name=damabevi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=epejN05L,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-16T00:42:17.225+0000) > > it boggles my mind how some people would rather have their games be decided by rng than actually being able to play what they want The game isn't entirely decided at character select, you still have to play the game. Picking what you want would be nice, but apparently pretty much everyone only wants to pick characters that are S tier, or maybe grit their teeth and play an A tier champion occasionaly. Every single game.
Salron (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BearExperiment,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=epejN05L,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-15T21:49:46.795+0000) > Assassins, {{champion:157}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:142}} Is the entire roster of mid lane champions people use. The occasional {{champion:45}}. What ever is meta, or uber safe is exclusively what people use in NORMAL GAMES. I would understand if you really wanted to win in ranked, but jesus christ guys; have some fun in normals, play something outside of the same pool of 6 characters for once. "Why do people play what they enjoy, why can't they have the same idea of fun as me"
> [{quoted}](name=Aarron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=epejN05L,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-16T00:28:47.483+0000) > > "Why do people play what they enjoy, why can't they have the same idea of fun as me" People only enjoy playing the same most over played 5-7ish characters per patch? Weird.
: If Riot wants this game to be compatible with fun, it needs ARSR
Nobody wants ARSR? With 140 characters every match would actually feel unique.... It could breathe new life into this game which desperately needs it.. Enjoy your sinking ship everyone.
: Riot Games and the Future End of League of Legends
Add All random summoners rift so people who don't care about rank and want to play a game for fun have an option to achieve a good time while playing LoL.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: Burst Mages =/= Assasins. Both are bursty tho.
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=epejN05L,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-15T22:11:57.922+0000) > > Burst Mages =/= Assasins. > Both are bursty tho. I know, only difference is mobility, and even then it's getting hard to tell the difference.... (see {{champion:103}}) I just want diversity in character selection. This isn't a new problem either, nor do I see it as a problem that will ever go away. That is why this game needs ARSR.
Rioter Comments
: Make every champ viable
All random summoners rift would be nice so there would at least be some diversity in character choices.
: I don't get the Kayn/Rengar/Irelia/Fiora/Kassadin buffs.
This game sucks honestly. 140 characters and everyone picks the same safe easy meta garbage over and over. Riot is fine with it. No more rotating game modes so I can't even play for fun anymore.
: Mini Zed Update The purpose of this update is to increase the difficulty of Zed by raising his skill floor. Assassins are supposed to be high risk high reward. While it is acknowledged that Zed is indeed a difficult champion to master due to his high skill ceiling, currently the skill required to pick him up and dominate is much too low given his inherent advantages and large burst damage output. Zed should deal tons of damage, but currently its too easy for him to get away with doing so at a lower skill lv requirement than other assassins. Additionally Assassins are supposed to have a delay on their dmg and Zed doesn't have that in a meaningful way. Assassins are also supposed to be mostly melee in nature and Zed's W allows him to bypass this guideline a little too easily. This update also seeks to increase his thematic cohesion as it could be believed that while Zed does a decent job filling his niche it could be taken to 11. Passive - Shadowed Contempt for the Weak: COOLDOWN: 10 EFFECT RADIUS: 2000/200 Dark Shadows spawn behind enemy champs relative to Zed's location over 0.5 sec marked as an AoE. Every 20 sec the Dark Shadow will update its position. Zed's 2nd basic attack against champions he's hit with an ability within 8 sec while within their Dark Shadow below 25 / 35 / 50%(scaling with lv) maximum health deal 6 / 8 / 10% of target's maximum health as bonus magic damage. Shadowed Contempt for the Weak can only affect the same target once every few seconds. Q - the dmg is nerfed a little W - Living Shadow TARGET RANGE: 475 EFFECT RADIUS: 700 SPEED: 1600 COST: 40 / 35 / 30 / 25 / 20 ENERGY COOLDOWN: 22 / 20 / 18 / 16 / 14 ENERGY RESTORED: 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 Living Shadow FIRST CAST: Zed's Shadow dashes forward, remaining in place for 5 seconds and being able to mimic Razor Shuriken and Shadow Slash. Zed restores energy whenever a Shadow lands a mimicked ability on the same target he does. This may only happen once per cast ability. Casting at the same time as Razor Shuriken grants 175 bonus range. SECOND CAST - SHADOW SWAP: Zed and his Shadow blink to their respective locations, swapping places after a 1 sec delay. The range is increased to 1300 If Zed's Shadow is within a Dark Shadow. E - Shadow Slash: EFFECT RADIUS: 290 ANGLE: 40 PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 35 / 47 / 60 / 70 / 85 (+ 40% bonus AD) CONE BONUS DAMAGE (50% + 40% bonus AD) ACTIVE: Zed and his Shadows slash, dealing physical damage to surrounding enemies dealing bonus damage in a cone in the direction Zed is facing. This does not interrupt Zed's previous orders. Enemies hit a Shadow's Shadow Slash Cone are slowed for 1.5 seconds. Enemies hit by multiple slash cones take no additional damage but instead are slowed by a 50% stronger slow. SLOW:» 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40% Each enemy champion hit by Zed's slash cone reduces Living Shadow's Cooldown by 2 seconds. Only the enemies hit by the cone restore energy. R - Death Mark TARGET RANGE: 625 EFFECT RADIUS: 300 COOLDOWN: 120 / 90 / 60 FIRST CAST: Zed targets an area on the ground and vanishes for 0.75 seconds during which he goes through the target area if an enemy champion is within. If he passes through them, he marks them, becomes ghosted for 3 seconds, and spawns a Shadow at the cast location which lasts for 6 seconds. After 1 second of his reappearance he can activate Death Mark Shadow. For the next 3 seconds, the mark stores a percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage Zed deals to the target, reduced if Death Mark is recast, detonating at the end of the duration to deal physical damage. PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 100% AD (+ 25 / 40 / 55% of damage dealt, reduced by 15% if Recast) SECOND CAST - DEATH MARK SHADOW: Zed and the Death Mark Shadow blink to their respective locations, swapping places. the purpose of these changes are to introduce a bit a of delay, positioning and targeting difficulty into Zed's kit.
Anin777 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=BearExperiment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=004200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T04:56:43.314+0000) > > How long will you dodge the actual topic of the thread? Opponents don't make a champion more mechanically difficult to use. No! YOU are messing up the definition. Basketball will be easier when you're just shooting baskets but then you add opponents and the difficulty increases. Playing Zed against inexperienced laners will make him FEEL easy. You don't have to think alot. You don't push your limits. You don't take calculated risks or learn different combos. You just ... play. Mechanically you're weak af. I used to think I was the best Jax EUW when I was level 30 cos I had over 300 games with him back in s3. Then I jumped in ranked and got instantly dominated and this was bronze. He wasn't "easy to play" anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=Anin777,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=0042000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T14:49:38.095+0000) > > No! YOU are messing up the definition. Basketball will be easier when you're just shooting baskets but then you add opponents and the difficulty increases. Playing Zed against inexperienced laners will make him FEEL easy. You don't have to think alot. You don't push your limits. You don't take calculated risks or learn different combos. You just ... play. Mechanically you're weak af. I used to think I was the best Jax EUW when I was level 30 cos I had over 300 games with him back in s3. Then I jumped in ranked and got instantly dominated and this was bronze. He wasn't "easy to play" anymore. Do you remember when dodge runes were in the game and you would take a full page of those on Jax? It's like you have a full page of dodge runes on in order to dodge the thread topic like this. "Better players beat worse players." So you are saying all characters are equally hard to use?
Anin777 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=BearExperiment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=0042000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-10T00:24:31.694+0000) > > We are talking about how easy he is is to pick up and play, not how easily he can win games or not. You're missing something. If a beginner picks Zed vs. Plat Irelia, he'll lose lane 100% of the time and call Zed "hard" or "Weak". If you play against unskilled players, then your experience is easier. It's all dependent on your opponents.
> [{quoted}](name=Anin777,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=00420000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T01:37:28.695+0000) > > You're missing something. If a beginner picks Zed vs. Plat Irelia, he'll lose lane 100% of the time and call Zed "hard" or "Weak". If you play against unskilled players, then your experience is easier. It's all dependent on your opponents. How long will you dodge the actual topic of the thread? Opponents don't make a champion more mechanically difficult to use.
: Your match history says you refuse to build armor. And why would you complain about how easy he is to use if not for damage? Why don’t you complain about Garen? Darius? Lissandra? Veigar? Vlad?
> [{quoted}](name=SolitaryEnd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=005800000000,timestamp=2018-09-10T07:20:53.447+0000) > > Your match history says you refuse to build armor. > And why would you complain about how easy he is to use if not for damage? Why don’t you complain about Garen? Darius? Lissandra? Veigar? Vlad? And how many are against Zed? I always buy Seekers as a mage against Zed because I have no choice. Buying only armor and no health items against Zed isnt a good idea either. It's better than nothing, but Seekers + RoA is usually my go to against Zed so I can still wave clear, as well as survive his combo which has pretty much no margin for error. I'm not complaining about anything, just stating that I think Zed is easy to play. If you find those characters easy to play then feel free to make a thread about it, but I don't think there are armies of people claiming those characters to be difficult to play, aside from maybe Lissandra.
: I love these discussions. Hello, Zed main here. You can hate me all ya want but it’s really insufficient. There’s quite a few champions that are much more ‘easy to play’ than zed. Looking at OP’s match history you play anivia a good bit mid...decent skillcap champ, very safe. But every time I just see you refuse to build armor despite zeds obvious pressure, why? I get my dirk then immediate merc treads if I’m against something like lb, anivia, etc. if you don’t respect an assassins damage in lane you’re just giving him a feast. As for all his skills essentially being point and click... only his ultimate is. His W-E is fairly quick yes, but you can juke the Q if you don’t just run right into it. Building just an early seekers armguard literally changes his early game damage, the damage he uses to snowball, into barely 1/4-1/5hp worth of damage instead of the half healthing damage he does at lvl 4-6. Don’t hate a champion because you don’t know how to play against him, he’s strong in 1v1 and 1v2 situations where he can throw a shadow back, ult someone and maybe kill them then escape to the original W shadow. When zed uses his W in lane? After that moment you have around a 20 second period to punish him for it, his power comes from having the shadows, when that’s down his damage is very low. Abuse that, learn how to work around the champions weakness and not charging headlong into his strengths. You can talk about fast skillshots etc, but if you want someone more ridiculous than zed, look at Talon, LB... any other assassin will punish you for not building any sort of early defensive item. Yeah it’s itemizing against them, but isn’t that why league of legends has lots of item choices?
> [{quoted}](name=SolitaryEnd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=0058,timestamp=2018-09-10T05:27:05.714+0000) > > I love these discussions. > Hello, Zed main here. You can hate me all ya want but it’s really insufficient. > > There’s quite a few champions that are much more ‘easy to play’ than zed. Looking at OP’s match history you play anivia a good bit mid...decent skillcap champ, very safe. But every time I just see you refuse to build armor despite zeds obvious pressure, why? I get my dirk then immediate merc treads if I’m against something like lb, anivia, etc. if you don’t respect an assassins damage in lane you’re just giving him a feast. > > As for all his skills essentially being point and click... only his ultimate is. His W-E is fairly quick yes, but you can juke the Q if you don’t just run right into it. Building just an early seekers armguard literally changes his early game damage, the damage he uses to snowball, into barely 1/4-1/5hp worth of damage instead of the half healthing damage he does at lvl 4-6. > > Don’t hate a champion because you don’t know how to play against him, he’s strong in 1v1 and 1v2 situations where he can throw a shadow back, ult someone and maybe kill them then escape to the original W shadow. > > When zed uses his W in lane? After that moment you have around a 20 second period to punish him for it, his power comes from having the shadows, when that’s down his damage is very low. Abuse that, learn how to work around the champions weakness and not charging headlong into his strengths. You can talk about fast skillshots etc, but if you want someone more ridiculous than zed, look at Talon, LB... any other assassin will punish you for not building any sort of early defensive item. Yeah it’s itemizing against them, but isn’t that why league of legends has lots of item choices? Who says I refuse to build armor? I'm not complaining about how strong Zed is, I am just saying he is easy to use. Opponents building armor doesn't make him more mechanically difficult to pick up and learn.
Anin777 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Boatwhistle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=00420000,timestamp=2018-09-09T02:51:35.664+0000) > > That's the elo getting harder not zed. You have to be good enough with any champion to continue a climb, that's why people stop climbing. Saying "X champ is easy to play" doesn't mean much. You have to ask "against what champ?", "How skilled is your lane opponent?". If you play any champ in Normals for 100 games, you can easily get gold with that champ. But going against more skilled opponents, you need to get better at the champ. Every champ is easy to start playing when you aren't against skilled opponents, some easier than others (Garen easier than Azir; You get the point). So what OP said is true for every champ. Not specific to Zed.
We are talking about how easy he is is to pick up and play, not how easily he can win games or not.
: and that exact mindset is the reason why you keep dying. hell you don't even need to buy a full zhonyas. all you need to do is buy a seekers armguard and play around his shadow passive and you basically win lane. one 1100 gold item completely nullifies the the lethality we get from duskblade and youmuus. 2 full items. and see with mages that it seems like you're used to playing, at least they have some variability in the build path. literally zed is stuck to rushing duskblade and youmuu's no matter what if he wants to be relevent. If you're a mage, then oh sick he's doing too much damage? get an armor item. Oh i'm doing well? let me get something like a morellos or liandrys for tankiness and even more damage. its that exact mindset that you have where "oh i'd rather buy a mana item" that makes it so the zed can get fed off you and snowball. and i'm willing to bet that you take flash ignite or flash tp. instead of doing the smart thing and taking flash exhaust/barrier/heal. I'm sick of people posting shit like OP is when they are the reason the zed on the enemy team is doing so well. Edit: yes I am a zed main
The point went way over your head. All I am saying is Zed is easy to play, nothing else.
Ludicol0 (NA)
: "hurrdurr high skill capp sooper hard to play in high rank an he squish sqhuish"
Phridolin (EUW)
: It’s true that a der nowadays can be bad and still get kills. But a good zed is hard to play. When you can confuse the enemy, can split push. And zed is one of a few champs who can outplay the enemy with low hp - if played good. Another two things to mention - and making this thread kinda garbage - are: - many champs (even yasuos) can faceroll and get a kill even they can be higher skillcap - there are enough items and abilities to counter zed. Bronze players ofc don’t use or buy. (You can Zhonyas a zed ult but you can’t zhonyas a yasuo ult)
Being forced to buy an item isn't like YAY WERE SAVED WOOHOO. I would still rather buy a mana item so I can wave clear most of the time. Besides, we're not talking about him being too strong, just trying to have an honest conversation about how difficult Zed is to play.
: REMOVE. WINDWALL.
At least dont start wind wall from behind Yasuo, even when he completely misses wind wall he is still saved
: > [{quoted}](name=BearExperiment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=005000000000,timestamp=2018-09-09T06:19:05.169+0000) > > hypocrisy* Oh yes, because an incorrectly spelled word is the most important thing to take from that. I hope your post gets deleted for your vitriolic behavior towards other boards members.
> [{quoted}](name=Hi Im a Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=0050000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-09T07:06:12.851+0000) > > Oh yes, because an incorrectly spelled word is the most important thing to take from that. I hope your post gets deleted for your vitriolic behavior towards other boards members. All I have said is Zed, a character in a video game, is easy to use. How am I attacking board members?
: > [{quoted}](name=ThePaffLegacy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=0050,timestamp=2018-09-09T05:25:43.412+0000) > > Reminder to everyone : 50% of the rating (at this time being) of this thread are downvotes. Since it is more likely for upvotes to come from a vast roster of players and that downvotes are more than likely being given by concerned persons (in this case, Zed "Mains") This undirectly shows that there's a lot of chances that there is a very high proportion of Zed mains vs General players, thus proving the point of OP declaring that Zed players are way too common. This thread is getting down-voted because the OP is uninformed as well as being toxic and rude to those who don't agree with the opinion he wants to see placed on the forum. Like in all honesty I have no idea why the moderators haven't removed this thread, I've seen others removed for less. I guess comparing Zed players to the capacity of someone who is literally deaf and blind isn't toxic enough because it fits the anti assassin/tank and or mage loving rhetoric that the boards seems to subscribe to. This is hippocracy at it's finest. I guess it's ok for people to condescendingly attack others on the boards now??
> [{quoted}](name=Hi Im a Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=00500000,timestamp=2018-09-09T05:37:34.525+0000) > > This thread is getting down-voted because the OP is uninformed as well as being toxic and rude to those who don't agree with the opinion he wants to see placed on the forum. Like in all honesty I have no idea why the moderators haven't removed this thread, I've seen others removed for less. I guess comparing Zed players to the capacity of someone who is literally deaf and blind isn't toxic enough because it fits the anti assassin/tank and or mage loving rhetoric that the boards seems to subscribe to. > > This is hippocracy at it's finest. I guess it's ok for people to condescendingly attack others on the boards now?? hypocrisy*
: > [{quoted}](name=Boatwhistle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=004c0000,timestamp=2018-09-09T03:32:23.111+0000) > > Nobody is suggesting to gut Zed in this. Its just this lie that has been perpetuated that he is one of the hardest champs that is being challenged. > Zed is like juggling. > > If you have never juggled it looks complicated, however learn to do it and you learn its nothing and you can go around impressing with your skill. Yeah you can do different more complicated ways of juggling but its not necessary to be able to juggle. I wouldn't say it was a lie, just a different meta. There were times in the past when he was overpowered in diamond and yet silver players all thought he was balanced.
> [{quoted}](name=haaaaaaalp,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=004c00000000,timestamp=2018-09-09T03:54:40.174+0000) > > I wouldn't say it was a lie, just a different meta. There were times in the past when he was overpowered in diamond and yet silver players all thought he was balanced. We're not talking about him being OP, we are talking about how easy he is to pick up and play.
: What an astoundingly absolutely ignorant opinion...
> [{quoted}](name=L1ght Yagami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=004f,timestamp=2018-09-09T04:04:46.841+0000) > > What an astoundingly absolutely ignorant opinion... Care to explain how?
: And I still think your an idiot. Zed is garbage and isn't buffed to be viable because people like you who throw a hissy fit create such a huge commotion. Rito would rather leave him as is than deal with the backlash of low elo scrubs throwing a tantrum because Zed was finally popular and viable.
> [{quoted}](name=Oakleaf Ranger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=000f00000000,timestamp=2018-09-08T14:37:45.136+0000) > > And I still think your an idiot. Zed is garbage and isn't buffed to be viable because people like you who throw a hissy fit create such a huge commotion. Rito would rather leave him as is than deal with the backlash of low elo scrubs throwing a tantrum because Zed was finally popular and viable. Who is throwing a hissy fit?
Eggbread (NA)
: People usually miss whats up with Zed. He's not hard to play. In fact, he's one of the most forgiving assassins in the game. He just has a high skill CEILING. His floor is really low, but his ceiling is pretty high.
Yeah, but people are willing to go through some impressive amounts of mental gymnastics to avoid that realization. That is why I feel this intervention was needed.
: You're right, I ***should*** read the body of a post before commenting to make sure it isn't a bait. I keep forgetting that. Thanks for reminding me.
saltran (EUW)
: You are right but it's too hard for the Gameplay Boards to dont blindly hate Zed. And nice, an unpopular opinion that is an actual unpopular opinion.
I don't like this opinion, please remove it from gameplay.
: This is literally just an echo chamber where you try to force this asinine opinion of yours upon everyone else. Many of your responses in this thread have been both condescending and offensive, I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed by the moderators because you’re honestly just passive aggressively attacking other members of the boards for having a different opinion than yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=Hi Im a Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-09T01:03:41.932+0000) > > This is literally just an echo chamber where you try to force this asinine opinion of yours upon everyone else. > > Many of your responses in this thread have been both condescending and offensive, I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed by the moderators because you’re honestly just passive aggressively attacking other members of the boards for having a different opinion than yourself. What is going on with you?
: > [{quoted}](name=ankoanko19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O12d5gMM,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2018-09-08T13:48:50.676+0000) > > *And he has literally no viable counter pick, whatsoever.* uh..{{champion:164}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:122}}
> [{quoted}](name=VermillionWolf,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O12d5gMM,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-09-08T15:32:17.645+0000) > > {{champion:122}} I've played against Darius a few times as Urgot, and what I find is Urgot wins very early on, but if Darius doesn't feed he wins the lane a little later on. Save Darius pull for when Urgot pops W, and it stops him from shooting for like 2.5 seconds. End of the day the Darius player will need to be half decent at dodging skill shots.
: This guy literally only has positively responded to anyone who says “Zed is braindead, X reason is why” He’s literally just fishing for upvotes on a needlessly controversial topic. Like this entire thread is just a circle jerk on a champion that isn’t too strong or too week. He doesn’t need these desires nerfs at all and in fact has a very weak early game for a champ about winning lane.
What are you talking about? I have told several Zed players that we are here for them, and that we still love them, no matter how easy Zed is to play.
: > [{quoted}](name=BearExperiment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=00460000,timestamp=2018-09-08T23:32:31.409+0000) > > This thread is like an intervention. It brings a tear to my eye to see everyone come out and show their support for Zed players. It's not even like we're just shitting on Zed. Zed takes skill to play right. The problem is that you don't need to play him right to run over every other midlaner in the game, and the rest of the laners while you're at it. If I've had a nickel for everytime I saw a bad Zed go from 0/4 to 8/4 because he hit 6 and finished duskblade I'd be a fucking millionaire.
> [{quoted}](name=Somber Rites,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=004600000000,timestamp=2018-09-08T23:34:20.905+0000) > > It's not even like we're just shitting on Zed. Zed takes skill to play right. > > The problem is that you don't need to play him right to run over every other midlaner in the game. We just want them to accept that, so they don't have to live in fear anymore. So what if Hellen Keller can climb using your favorite champion? It's OK, we are here for you.
: That's a lot of downvotes from Zed mains{{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
This thread is like an intervention. It brings a tear to my eye to see everyone come out and show their support for Zed players.
: ***
I have too much self respect to main the easiest characters I can think of. I could always just go play a Dora the Explorer game.
saltran (EUW)
: Such a trash thread spreading the circlejerk, no wonder why this is on the front page. Remove the Gameplay Boards
We don't have to pretend Zed is difficult to pick up and play anymore. You are free.
: > [{quoted}](name=BearExperiment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2018-09-08T22:27:35.765+0000) > > Except Zed is easier than all of them, with Talon not far behind. Kha Zix actually has to kill a target in order to jump in, and then out safely for example. With Zed, there is no dangerous situation. You can chain CC him immediately after he comes out of ult, if you have allies to help, but that is also a counter to every character in the game. Oh, I know that. Zed and Talon are the reason I don't play midlane anymore. Talon doesn't even have all that high of a skill ceiling in comparison to Zed. EDIT: Also, have fun getting mass downvoted by all the assassin mains. Zed and Talon mains LOVE acting like their champions aren't the safest champions in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Somber Rites,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=00000000000200000000,timestamp=2018-09-08T22:40:12.975+0000) > > Oh, I know that. > > Zed and Talon are the reason I don't play midlane anymore. > > Talon doesn't even have all that high of a skill ceiling in comparison to Zed. > > EDIT: Also, have fun getting mass downvoted by all the assassin mains. > > Zed and Talon mains LOVE acting like their champions aren't the safest champions in the game. Amen brother, I learned Lissandra just because I was so tired of them, but I didn't want to join them either. I am willing to go to war with the assassin mains.
: > [{quoted}](name=BearExperiment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-08T05:19:48.650+0000) > > That's what I am saying, in terms of skill he kind of does have a high ceiling, but he also has a VERY low floor. It's almost as if that's the problem with all high mobility assassins. Lots of safety + Extremely high amounts of damage = a toxic play style. Weird.
> [{quoted}](name=Somber Rites,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2018-09-08T22:20:19.823+0000) > > It's almost as if that's the problem with all high mobility assassins. > > Lots of safety + Extremely high amounts of damage = a toxic play style. > > Weird. Except Zed is easier than all of them, with Talon not far behind. Kha Zix actually has to kill a target in order to jump in, and then out safely for example. With Zed, there is no dangerous situation. You can chain CC him immediately after he comes out of ult, if you have allies to help, but that is also a counter to every character in the game.
Swegmec (NA)
: Talon is easily twice as bad as zed.
I don't care for Talon either, but one thing at a time. Talon also hasn't been the most over played thing for 4 years, unlike Zed who has only gone away briefly for a few patches I think once or twice after being over nerfed instead of creating a larger margin for error on his abilities.
: Zed is not an easy champion. If you're up against someone good who can dodge skill shots and predict what youre doing. hes hard. I will admit that Zed is a busted champion, but definitely requires skill and time to master. Also, if you miss skills shots with him and you have no escape you're pretty much dead since your on cds and the enemy team knows that.
You mean his 1 skill shot? The one that moves really fast, is the size of a school bus, which he uses on top of you in a combo anyways?
: He's agreeing with you using statistics to justify what you have said objectively. He's literally on your side
> [{quoted}](name=Space Man Cable,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-08T15:46:48.493+0000) > > He's agreeing with you using statistics to justify what you have said objectively. He's literally on your side Anyone who pulls out stats that don't say much of anything and then says Aurelion Sol is not difficult to play compared to any other LoL character is not on my side. I will fight them on the side of the street.
becausej (NA)
: This is slightly misleading. Zed has a low skill floor so he has no trouble carrying games even if the player isn't really a great zed but he also has a really high skill cap, shown by every high elo zed ever.
Jansuo (EUNE)
: Zed is not an easy to play champion by design. But the new runes made him way easier to play.
He was always easy to play, using shadows offensively has never been an important skill to learn in order to make Zed an effective assassin.
Łunatic (NA)
: If u are in low Elo would people really know how to deal with Zed, no because they don't know how to deal with him when he goes into the backline and tries to take out the carry. He gets destroyed pretty easily if u don't know how to play him, like yasuo the second Zed gets cc chained he has no damage output what's so ever. There's also the fact that if Zed is going into the backline to take out the carry, most cases its w into your which makes him vulnerable due to the reason of being less mobile without his w. Yes he is not the hardest to play nor the easiest to pick up, but he has one of the highest skill caps in the game.
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: Jesus A popular champion =/= over powered champion. As for what's dangerous about telegraphed delayed teleportation into a fixed position surrounded by the enemy team? I couldn't say...
> [{quoted}](name=Oakleaf Ranger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KHlp7UjX,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-09-08T09:47:18.870+0000) > > Jesus > > A popular champion =/= over powered champion. > > As for what's dangerous about telegraphed delayed teleportation into a fixed position surrounded by the enemy team? > > I couldn't say... It is OK, Zed is easy to use, and we still love you. You are not alone.
Srbonator (EUNE)
: He is really trash once you know how to counter him. Like you pick talon he ults on you, you ult and then you 1 shot him! It's really simple to fight againts him if you know how.
: This whole thread amounts to: because champion can be optimized with practice and skill = champ must be broken. A good Ahri, Yasuo, Malzahar, or Diana can ruin Zed's day a lot easier than he can ruin theirs. You really just sound salty over the fact that you're not skilled enough to beat him or keep up with the tactics he uses.
Yeah bro you nailed it, nobody is talking about anything being broken.
: Who Thought the Blessing of Caitlyn Was a Good Idea?
Yeah I just played this, the Cait minions was fun for a minute, but it should definitely expire.
: Yeah man I have been with you for a long while now, at least half the time I have been playing league. Zed is a champion that wins most lanes, whats considered his counters are champions that can at least survive his first ult. If getting so many free lanes against so many other champs wasn't enough he also is a high scaling snow balling champion for 30 minutes of a game. He doesnteven really fall off late game either, his enemies just finally catch up, scaled some armor, and have a bunch of shit to actually be able to deal with his existence. His passive makes csing very easy so even if you push him under turret it doesn't matter, he also wont mindcause then the jg will see an easy kill because zed. You aren't that much safer under your own turret of course so what ever. HE STARTS LONG SWORD!!! is there another champion that does this??? Most need some on hit to minions and a little sustain for either hp or resources but not zed no. No zed is gonna do just fine with a long sword and three potions giving him effectively a 2.5 wave gold advantage towards getting his first item which will be all he needs to 100 to 0 you. Its because of this if you aren't using the champs that counter him by just being able to survive you will build zonyas like so many champs don't want to do effectively putting 1 of the teams carries behind in mid game. Not only do his abilities have short animations but he can cast them at the same time. So if you have a delay on the one you were hoping would save you or an ally well fuck you. My complaints aside, has anyone ever honestly been that impressed seeing a Zed go 20/5/4 or something like that in a long game? Has anyone seen a zed do poorly and thought "oh well zed is a skill champ so I cant judge too hard". No you expect most azirs to do poorly, you expect most zeds to come to your lane to steal the kill you have been poking down then proceed to combo away all your cs. EVEN though Zeds max potential has a bit of mastering and reflexes involved he DOESNT require it in 90% of the situations he kills someone in 3-5 seconds. He will always be harder to play against then to play as well. Wanna say get better well he even has high ban rates in high elos. Even if you ignore that fact also consider if a champion really takes the skill of the best players to fight him with the way his kit is that isn't an argument he is reasonable to play against, in fact its exactly the opposite.
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