BBKong (NA)
: She's very strong this preseason. There are two reasons her winrates and etc on websites are so bad. 1. She's a very difficult champ, especially early which is where she excels, so if you fuck up her difficult earlygame or even just first clear you can't do what she does best and snowball. 2. She's been played in every role over the course of the game, so people still take her in lanes occasionally and like doing testing to see what she can do well next. I saw an Iceborn Gauntlet Nid top just last week, and that hasn't truly been her "meta" role for a while now. Never trust the winrates for champs like Nid imo. I feel like the preseason made her really strong because the playstyle is good for her, and that's what I hear a lot of other people saying too. Edit: I also forgot to add, those runes are actually really good on her. Attack speed stat is optional but some people like it for kiting the buff camps, but besides that you can go either sorcery and skirmish or go inspiration which is a lot safer of an option (free gold + free CDR). I never agree with Elec over DH **for jungle Nidalee** right now though. Source - On my first account many seasons ago I hit low diamond onetricking her. Quit ranked until earlier this year and have been playing mostly other champs right now because I'm having fun straying from my old onetrick.
> [{quoted}](name=BBKong,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pg7AnbYL,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-13T05:21:03.992+0000) > > She's very strong this preseason. There are two reasons her winrates and etc on websites are so bad. > > 1. She's a very difficult champ, especially early which is where she excels, so if you fuck up her difficult earlygame or even just first clear you can't do what she does best and snowball. > > 2. She's been played in every role over the course of the game, so people still take her in lanes occasionally and like doing testing to see what she can do well next. I saw an Iceborn Gauntlet Nid top just last week, and that hasn't truly been her "meta" role for a while now. > > Never trust the winrates for champs like Nid imo. I feel like the preseason made her really strong because the playstyle is good for her, and that's what I hear a lot of other people saying too. > > Edit: I also forgot to add, those runes are actually really good on her. Attack speed stat is optional but some people like it for kiting the buff camps, but besides that you can go either sorcery and skirmish or go inspiration which is a lot safer of an option (free gold + free CDR). I never agree with Elec over DH **for jungle Nidalee** right now though. > > Source - On my first account many seasons ago I hit low diamond onetricking her. Quit ranked until earlier this year and have been playing mostly other champs right now because I'm having fun straying from my old onetrick. TBH I'm seeing several rune options from her at D2+ right now/ DH is a rarer option though, ASPD isn't always a pick either. I think the reason Aspd isn't a must there is it's a lot of animation canceling anyway so it's not as effective as it would be on another champ. Looking at top nid players, seeing top lane grasp of undying and DH. In Jungle Elec, Conq, only see one DH player in JG with her actually, another brought it once, but it seems to be a lane nid that took JG once and probably not ideal runes. Elec seems to be a clear favorite with Conq following up. Not super surprising since elec is super easy to proc on her. DH isn't as strong as it used to be, so I agree with elec myself.
: Why the F is Nidalee 45% overall?
One simple reason. You can cancel ALL her animations still. Because of this, she has to be super weak to accommodate the top players that use her. Even the top players pull off maybe 50% of the cancels, but that alone is insane. Fun fact: If you perfect cancel her auto attack animation, the spear will be invisible unless you .5x speed a replay, if you cancel it too early, it'll just not work at all. Basically, that sums it up. Try watching a top Nidalee player play her, sometimes it's almost like she's floating with all the animation cancels. Sadly, this means <1% of the population is capable of playing her at all. As a former Nid lover/main it sucks, but I'm happy that there is a champ that's like that for those players that can do it. If you look at top Nidalee players in Diamond 2+ you'll see some staggering win rates. Watching them play is pretty fun too. ---- "https://u.gg/lol/champions/nidalee/build?rank=overall No scaling. Attack speed vs CDR? No Sorcery? Is Nidalee so forgotten that people literally don't know how to build her anymore?" Just highlighting this part. People are in grandmaster using that build with extremely high win rates. --- As much as I miss Nidalee, I'm happy with where she is. Players that can pull her off deserve a champion like this. TBH I'm surprised she doesn't make any showings in pro play. I suspect the lack of utility is why. I doubt it's that people can dodge her spears at range because I don't think that's actually her value right now. --- That said, she's super fast clear speed, probably one of the fastest at higher levels, so she may actually show up this season, fingers crossed. That'd make me watch pro play again.
: Why are we geting more male champions when there is already double male vs female champs?
: I realize i have gone 2 years without feeling an urge to buy things from riot.
Stopped when word got out about how they were treating employees. Kinda ironic, because if anything I'd be buying more now in the past as I'm more comfortable spending on things I don't need than in the past.
: 4 Times.
Do 1 hour of OT at work, buy all starter packs, you now have 15 skins and it barely took more time than the time you probably spent complaining about it. (plus panda teemo)
: Doing a survey for Uni and can really need your help
Done, I grew up poor so my responses probably seem extreme compared to most.
: {{champion:57}} ?
> [{quoted}](name=TouchpadExpert,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=b1wa0JXl,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-10T06:29:02.098+0000) > > {{champion:57}} ? That was my reference to when the artist teased us with the Maokai one ;( Ivern is more fitting with his abilities, daisy, bushes, so many possibilities!
: >we all individually want it i do not care about it
> [{quoted}](name=BitterFeetFungus,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=b1wa0JXl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-10T06:27:21.819+0000) > > i do not care about it You're not an individual, you're only 29/30ths of one. I'm confident you'll change your mind after you lvl up one more time.
rujitra (NA)
: Works completely fine for me. What exactly is happening for you when you try to access the site?
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tpX8Bjxc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-10T06:24:43.940+0000) > > Works completely fine for me. What exactly is happening for you when you try to access the site? Lot of people working there, probably got it back up fast. Just cntrl+F5 OP
: > [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PW8MWi0j,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-10T06:19:21.839+0000) > > Draft has no MM, pretty sure it was removed a long time ago. I wish they'd at minimum try to balance the 10 that are IN the game. But yeah, have seen some pretty ugly stuff in draft. > > The reality people don't want to hear is that Ranked is more casual due to the better matching. It takes a bit to get where you belong, but it's a hella lot nicer playing around your skill. > > Even if you're better than others around you, it can be super difficult to predict even your own allies in draft due to the vastly different skill levels mixed into a bag and shaken up. > > Trust me when I say, just play ranked casually. > > Are you going to become a pro? No? Then ranked and chill my homie, ranked and chill. > > Draft is more for super basic champion familiarization in a realistic environment. it has matchamking the problem is that it's not as strict as ranked mm
> [{quoted}](name=BitterFeetFungus,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PW8MWi0j,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-10T06:23:50.122+0000) > > it has matchamking the problem is that it's not as strict as ranked mm I play quite a bit of both ranked and draft on occasion and I'm pretty confident it doesn't. The spread of ranks I get from Iron to diamond is pretty consistent with the rank distribution honestly.
: i just wanna play draft pick and chill
Draft has no MM, pretty sure it was removed a long time ago. I wish they'd at minimum try to balance the 10 that are IN the game. But yeah, have seen some pretty ugly stuff in draft. The reality people don't want to hear is that Ranked is more casual due to the better matching. It takes a bit to get where you belong, but it's a hella lot nicer playing around your skill. Even if you're better than others around you, it can be super difficult to predict even your own allies in draft due to the vastly different skill levels mixed into a bag and shaken up. Trust me when I say, just play ranked casually. Are you going to become a pro? No? Then ranked and chill my homie, ranked and chill. Draft is more for super basic champion familiarization in a realistic environment.
Rioter Comments
: Why Doesn't Warwick Have a Beauty and The Beast Themed Skin?
Okay so we have the beauty, but who's going to be his beast? I think it needs a vote, not a 1 man decision. My vote is the ever so lovely Rek'Sai, sexy beast that she is!
: > [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ptc1qTLc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-10T05:15:41.250+0000) > > Best strategy is find the most popular position and put it as your secondary so you don't get autofilled into JG. > > Honestly, not worth the effort to stop inters when an ally sets them off. So the best thing to do it keep playing my position, and ignore "inters" when teammates make them angry?
> [{quoted}](name=Trump KAG 2020,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ptc1qTLc,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-10T05:23:19.388+0000) > > So the best thing to do it keep playing my position, and ignore "inters" when teammates make them angry? Exactly.
: I don't buy this bs
MMR doesn't change, so it should be an easy recovery, don't think about it too much.
: What is the best strategy going into 2020
Best strategy is find the most popular position and put it as your secondary so you don't get autofilled into JG. Honestly, not worth the effort to stop inters when an ally sets them off.
: What rank are you aiming for in season 10?
DId G4 last season, seemed like a waste of RL energy, will just stick to G4.
Cõmega (NA)
: How was i insulting?
Anyone that criticizes others, even if anonymously should be open to the same type of criticism or not post it. This isn't Hello Kitty online. If I bring up stats, I expect and deserve to have MY stats brought up in return.
Nouvest (NA)
: Victorious skins swap
Actually, I'm just sad that it force fed me the champion when I got the skin. I don't want him in ARAM.
: We've got lulu, trist, and poppy. So I guess riot needs to make a mid and a jungler.
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wOEbWso6,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-12-09T07:15:03.490+0000) > > We've got lulu, trist, and poppy. So I guess riot needs to make a mid and a jungler. These days just make it a support, should be able to dominate anywhere.
: Lost my ass off. I guess some of you just have good friends on this game. New players like myself are very fortunate to get on a team last minute. LOL
> [{quoted}](name=Smashed Hash,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tvL6BEMY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-08T05:11:06.896+0000) > > Lost my ass off. I guess some of you just have good friends on this game. New players like myself are very fortunate to get on a team last minute. LOL As someone that's created multiple teams I can tell you it's really hard to get onto a team. It's REALLY easy to create one and fill it though. Seems backwards, but that's how it is. Spent forever trying to find teams, tried creating instead and posting in clash forum, almost insta filled.
: [Clash] Players are playing in their smurfs. Should it be punished?
Yes. When I created teams in the past I had to boot/reject almost half applicants for being smurfs. People should stick to their mains or be punished pretty harshly. That said, performance in clash will bump your clash rating regardless of rank. But they'll just create more, they always do. Riot said they'd enforce it but as yet I haven't seen much evidence of that. We'll see I guess. Would like to see their main stripped of all rankings and unable to play ranked for a season. It'd at least make people think twice.
: Yi the brain dead champ
Yi seems pretty okay to be tbh. Look at how many champs there are, 150? Yet he's the only one that really does what he does, while at the same time it's something so basic. At the same time his WR isn't overloaded. I'm glad Yi is yi and that he's kind of alone in what he does, because he could easily be 50% of the champs in league but isn't. There are very few hypercarry melee ADs, he's one, another would be Nocturne, Fiora, but they all play quite differently. Yeah he can be annoying at times, but I've never really lost to a Yi without being able to say "yeah, we kinda deserved that" He is kinda braindead though. I can't stand playing him and find it super boring. I used to play him tons, now IDK how I ever did that.
Alex Luu (NA)
: Jungling XP and people taking camps
This is why I bring smite as support Ivern and steal enemy camps. Junglers are too sensitive to literally anything that messes with them, then it's GG.
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MGUT22Hb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-09T06:29:26.780+0000) > > F
: Agree but not too much because champs like vlad, renek, mundo so op. Also conquer getting gutted next patch
> [{quoted}](name=RedOpticToxin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fd457kv8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-09T06:15:44.480+0000) > > Agree but not too much because champs like vlad, renek, mundo so op. Also conquer getting gutted next patch Conq gets gutted every patch. What like 50 nerfs in a row? Riot should just remove the keystone and admit they made a mistake.
Zullar (NA)
: Q: Who Do Jungles Gank For?
As a jungler, what, we can still gank this season? Show me your ways master.
: > [{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ApL3m4oK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-09T04:53:24.145+0000) > > It might be embarrassing for them when every single player who got Victorious Aatrox wants to exchange it. A couple people who actually play aatrox apparently liked it.
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ApL3m4oK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-09T06:32:34.473+0000) > > A couple people who actually play aatrox apparently liked it. Okay, but we're talking about people that weren't involved in creating it.
: "High Traffic"
I don't mind that so much, but them putting a 10 min wait timer on ARAMs was kinda a dick move. Though I suspect they woulda turned off ranked before TFT so there is that. Guess we should be grateful, I do feel bad for the ARAM crowd though.
: Longest aram game
I played one at work during lunch a few weeks ago, it was at 48 min if I recall when I had to leave for a meeting :| my team just didn't want to engage. I felt bad but like...cmon who can predict a 48 min match :(
: > [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mRuElZ31,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-12-09T05:12:57.750+0000) Y'all do realize you have 2 hours to lock in, right? You don't have to immediately hop in at 8 pm EST.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mRuElZ31,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-09T05:21:41.219+0000) > > Y'all do realize you have 2 hours to lock in, right? You don't have to immediately hop in at 8 pm EST. Ah I see, well I finish work at 7, so same story for me lol. Finish on lock-in.
: > [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zAFEqEhP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-08T23:21:14.521+0000) > > Because everyone complained about JG being too strong, and continued to do so after countless nerfs in a row until it was so weak us JG players left the JG, now it's yours. Enjoy. > > Incidentally, this is why you are suddenly seeing a lot of threads saying stuff like "disable autofill for JG" lol. People also downplayed the Scuttle crab changes when they first hit and all the jungle mains left (which really started the hill rolling down the boulder) as they saw riots writing on the wall even back then.
> [{quoted}](name=RekSai CoffeeCo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zAFEqEhP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-09T04:03:38.904+0000) > > People also downplayed the Scuttle crab changes when they first hit and all the jungle mains left (which really started the hill rolling down the boulder) as they saw riots writing on the wall even back then. Yeahhh, I was stubborn and hung on til this season. Now knowing how weak AND sensitive the JG is I migrated to roaming supports to disrupt the enemy JG. So far near 60% win rate doing it too. Historically I was around 45% win rate as support. All I gotta do is tilt the enemy JG and it's GG. That said, despite moving out of the JG I still get autofilled in at around 50% which is fine since I can handle myself, I don't like it but I understand it. Plus if I play against someone that can't due to other autofills it's good times.
: > [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mRuElZ31,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-09T04:00:17.604+0000) > > Played the past ones and they were fun (though tier 3 is easier than 4 cause too many smurfs in 4). > > But other than that I had fun, I got a job on west coast though, and Riot doesn't allow people with jobs on west coast to play. > > If you want a better shot, make sure you're not in the lowest bracket with all the smurfs. West coast? It started at 8 EST. Which on pacific is _5pm_.
> [{quoted}](name=Dreamspitter,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mRuElZ31,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-12-09T05:05:22.935+0000) > > West coast? > > It started at 8 EST. Which on pacific is _5pm_. Yeah, people generally get out of work AT 5 and don't teleport home. But I work in an industry that works a bit later, so even if I could teleport I'm hosed. That said 5PM pretty much entirely excludes the entire west coast working class. I used to work from home and set my own hours which is why I could before.
: What was clash like for you?
Played the past ones and they were fun (though tier 3 is easier than 4 cause too many smurfs in 4). But other than that I had fun, I got a job on west coast though, and Riot doesn't allow people with jobs on west coast to play. If you want a better shot, make sure you're not in the lowest bracket with all the smurfs.
: ill just play support ivern to piss them off more im at the point where id rather lose then win games
> [{quoted}](name=KingJingaling42,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uErkXo90,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-09T00:33:35.568+0000) > > ill just play support ivern to piss them off more im at the point where id rather lose then win games Check my history, smite+teleport and open spellbook is key. Basically a bit of a roaming support, the key is junglers are both super important and super sensitive to disruption this season. So as a support he's also a super heavy JG disruption to the enemy. Pink ward deep, lvl 1 steal buff if you can then teleport to bottom etc. Just make sure you bring support not JG starter item. Overall, your main job as support Ivern beyond support is heavy enemy JG disruption and gank if you're near a gankable lane when doing it. I prefer Relic Shield as a support item, still pretty easy to stack considering. Basically, if you as support manage to totally shut down the enemy JG, it's pretty over for the enemy unless someone on your team super fed. That said, most games I get around the same CS in the enemy JG as the enemy jungle, sometimes more. I almost never charm a camp fully, just charm+smite when smite is up. Since it forces you to be super heavy with vision (to teleport to wards, and know where enemy JG is as much as possible) I also am top 10% of Ivern players on vision score. Basically, play what you want, enjoy it, try to win, and if you get a toxic team, that's their problem. I find his style super rewarding and I'm almost always very visibly impacting the wins.
: harrased everygame
You think that's bad, try playing Ivern support. Had teammates leave, afk, falsely claim I was using racial slurs to get enemy to report me etc. Yet every game where they DON'T do that we seem to do well, and I usually get an A or better ranking. I think my only support Ivern game BELOW an A was actually when they did all of the above. Kinda hard to maintain an A when your entire team is at the fountain. Anyway, overall I win more than I lose with him, so people can shove off with their negativity.
Kuponya (NA)
: People act like honour 5 is hard to get and means you're "honourable"
True, but pretty much everything is easier than getting up in the morning for work, so there is that. I mean just look at the Q on Mt Everest of people trying to escape work.
CaKeSauR (NA)
: TOP/MID(Vise-versa) Selected = Guarantee Jungle?
Because everyone complained about JG being too strong, and continued to do so after countless nerfs in a row until it was so weak us JG players left the JG, now it's yours. Enjoy. Incidentally, this is why you are suddenly seeing a lot of threads saying stuff like "disable autofill for JG" lol.
HideSide (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XctjIk1d,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-08T22:53:18.389+0000) > > Rework Kayle back to her original...the first one. And why? O.o?
> [{quoted}](name=HideSide,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XctjIk1d,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-12-08T22:56:26.228+0000) > > And why? O.o? IDK I remember liking her, have no clue what she even was anymore it's been so many years. Anything is better than the current one though.
: How "unique" are unique passives?
I believe if they have a name they're unique to others with that same name. If they have no name just same item.
HideSide (EUNE)
: Who should get rework and who another one?
Rework Kayle back to her original...the first one.
Rockman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uagooe8G,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-08T22:44:03.625+0000) > > Your face when Riven main picks Ivern cause it's the closest name and they've never played anything else {{sticker:sg-zephyr}} can't spell Riven without Ivern. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/524/tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg
> [{quoted}](name=Rockman,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uagooe8G,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-12-08T22:48:10.145+0000) > > can't spell Riven without Ivern. > > https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/524/tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg Both have shields, both have gap closers, both can jump over walls....Riven IS Ivern!!!
kocikreka (EUW)
: League is Getting Laggier as time goes
There's no way the PC you're listing should have issues with league, make sure you update your drivers. League can practically run on a fancy refrigerator with one of those internet touch screens.
Cloud273 (NA)
: Why is no one talking about how towers and structures literally destroy themselves in clash?
Games have to end for teams to progress, it's bracket play. If there are 60 teams, no one should have to wait for some derps that couldn't end a game by 60 min, let alone 29 other teams. TL;DR if you can't end a game by 60 min you deserve to lose anyway.
Rockman (NA)
: me banning my teammates hovered Riven
Your face when Riven main picks Ivern cause it's the closest name and they've never played anything else {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
: Riot Please revert rank distribution
Pretty sure it had to do with last pre-season where people were abusing positon based MM. Most that essentially cheated their way up probably avoided ranked for the entire season.
: Wow...high schoolers need to lighten up. Most of the survey takers are 14-18 and most say they are highly stressed. I view life like this. I know where my next meal is going to come from and I know I have a place to live. What reason is there to be stressed out about?
> [{quoted}](name=AlienPrimate,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IaFdipr5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-08T17:48:16.586+0000) > > Wow...high schoolers need to lighten up. Most of the survey takers are 14-18 and most say they are highly stressed. > > I view life like this. I know where my next meal is going to come from and I know I have a place to live. What reason is there to be stressed out about? Yup, am one of the oldest on the survey (though not even that old lol) and least stressed. That said, a highly flawed survey, but it is highschool *shrug*. I don't think that it's that highschoolers are dealing with any more stress than I did, everything seems like the end of the world at that age. It's more that people don't realize how much of it means so little later. That goes for any point in life really, but that comes with experience to know things like "Hey, if I lose my job it's not a big deal, I will work things out" and to prepare for things like that down the road rather than just tomorrow.
: Teambuilder was great, can we get it back?
Or just fix the jungle. Funny how all these posts start coming out of the works as soon as people start getting autofilled into the JG that they still complain about being too strong.
: Anyone ever had like horribly socially awkward duos off here?
People that duo with someone generally want you to carry them, the second you don't they bail. I play almost exclusively solo for this reason. Win 5 lose 2, they gone. xD I've dropped a Duo myself because he brought a negative experience to my teams. He was pretty good but I already know his rank was held back by people soft inting and he just had no clue they were doing it, he legitimately thought they were bad (and was very vocal about it). Don't be that guy. Anyway, I insisted on going solo to gold for this reason. Not worth dealing with others that can't help but blame everyone but themselves for their failings.
: > [{quoted}](name=Support Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xZAG30EG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-12-08T19:57:23.594+0000) > > C9 was a team that formed through ranked teams, went through challenger and sweeped through LCS. This is actually how it worked for years. Even corporate teams had to go through the same ranked teams as everyone else. The bar is much higher now than it was then. C9 doesn't even have any of its original members anymore. Heck the original Dignitas team used to be considered pro level and look where those original members are now.
> [{quoted}](name=Quality Content,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xZAG30EG,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-08T20:45:46.469+0000) > > The bar is much higher now than it was then. C9 doesn't even have any of its original members anymore. Heck the original Dignitas team used to be considered pro level and look where those original members are now. Where?
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