: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UKINxF4z,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-03-14T15:47:27.977+0000) > > [Yas is not overpowered, he's just extremely annoying to lane against.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/UKINxF4z-why-hasnt-yasuo-been-changed-when-he-has-60-banrate-in-9-regionsof-13?comment=000100010000)
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UKINxF4z,comment-id=000600040000,timestamp=2019-03-15T02:58:13.612+0000) > > I'm aware of what the OP said. I also know both of you're wrong too the point your claim can only be considered trolling, nothing else you're just straight trolling. Yas doesn't always have 60+ Ban rate. When Yas is actually balanced his ban rate typically sits around the 10-15% range. The champ is disgusting tier broken right now and anyone who is honest can read the stats and know that to be true. The assertion that this current pick/ban is simply because he is fun/annoying. Akali is very frusting/annoying to lane against. You know what here Ban rate is currently? it's in the single digits because she isn't broken currently. You know what is was when she was broken a few patchs ago? like 70% for 3 months straight.
: Stop complaining about Yasuo, he's balanced. here's why
: Junglers are the most opressed minority on League of Legends. Riot should buff Jungle.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P1sE3PAz,comment-id=000100000001000000020000,timestamp=2019-03-11T11:51:56.364+0000) > > Junglers are the most opressed minority on League of Legends. That's cleaver. How is that working out for you?
: > [{quoted}](name=Yautja wannabe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P1sE3PAz,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-03-10T04:01:51.952+0000) > > I've been spamming Rengar, and to be honest I've been having a LOT of success with him as usual. At the same time though, I notice that I'm anywhere between 1-2 levels behind where I'd normally be just because of the stupid ass exp nerf. Like, wtf was Riot thinking? Just think yourself as another support champ and then the level disparity won't bother you as much ;p.
> [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P1sE3PAz,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-10T04:11:37.830+0000) > > Just think yourself as another support champ and then the level disparity won't bother you as much ;p. Think of yourself as a support champ that will be blamed for everything always and doesn't get support itemization. Then it won't bother you as much because you will stop playing League
: "Is this game winnable?"
The game in the video was never anywhere close to being unwinnable. I know some people are way over the top and claim a game is unwinnable after first blood, but that doesn't make this game even close to what a reasonable person would call unwinnable. It was 3-1 towers at 20 mins and they had a winning lane while the other team had scaling issues being full AD. Not only was this game not "unwinnable" i would probably argue they're the favorites to win around the 20 min mark.
FkValeRly (EUW)
: https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vi/Jungle/ vi sitting on 53% wr for the past 2 patches, op.gg uses old games for stats.
> [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZJKZT4fY,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2019-03-06T14:47:35.466+0000) > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vi/Jungle/ > vi sitting on 53% wr for the past 2 patches, op.gg uses old games for stats. because she has under 3% pick rate the only people that play her are one tricks. She has been a dog shit laughable tier champ since at least the scuttle changes.
: They are definitely buffs, to her survivability and early clear in particular. her burst damage will be a little lower but she'll be able to stay in fights longer and deal more damage too. give it a few days and you'll probably realize how wrong you were
> [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZJKZT4fY,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-06T00:13:58.982+0000) > > They are definitely buffs, to her survivability and early clear in particular. her burst damage will be a little lower but she'll be able to stay in fights longer and deal more damage too. > > give it a few days and you'll probably realize how wrong you were I mean i've played VI before and her clear health is fine. Losing burst damage is a massive nerf and she is pretty much looking to press R on cooldown in the mid game too so those nerfs are huge also. The only Challenger VI player in all the major regions seems to agree with me based off his tweet "Super Metroid ‏ @supermetroidlol @RiotAugust these changes are bad and you should feel bad"
sho ayane (EUW)
: i think super metroid said these changes were buffs to vi..... (I think?) ____________ (I was wrong), might have been thinking of some different pbe changes for vi or something
> [{quoted}](name=sho ayane,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZJKZT4fY,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-06T00:23:42.965+0000) > > i think super metroid said these changes were buffs to vi..... > > (I think?) Doesn't seem like it based off twitter. "Super Metroid ‏ @supermetroidlol @RiotAugust these changes are bad and you should feel bad" [https://i.imgur.com/PBkeJt7.png](https://i.imgur.com/PBkeJt7.png)
: Yeah I'm not touching Vi until this gets reverted. See, the thing is when a champion hasn't been **picked/banned in pro play in a major region for 2 years** you don't need to compensate for buffs to that champion. Riot didn't need to touch her AS growth, Passive CD, Q, E, or R. All Riot needed to do was buff Blast Shield (P) and the passive CD reduction from proccing Denting Blows (W) if they wanted her to be a diver who could compete with the likes of Elise, Rek'Sai, Jarvan IV, Xin Zhao, Lee Sin etc. If it broke Vi, they could reduce how much her W proc reduces her Passive CD, or they could have increased her Passive CD.
> [{quoted}](name=DarkSoul1994,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZJKZT4fY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-05T23:34:20.616+0000) > > Yeah I'm not touching Vi until this gets reverted. > > See, the thing is when a champion hasn't been **picked/banned in pro play in a major region for 2 years** you don't need to compensate for buffs to that champion. > > Riot didn't need to touch her AS growth, Passive CD, Q, E, or R. > > All Riot needed to do was buff Blast Shield (P) and the passive CD reduction from proccing Denting Blows (W) if they wanted her to be a diver who could compete with the likes of Elise, Rek'Sai, Jarvan IV, Xin Zhao, Lee Sin etc. > > If it broke Vi, they could reduce how much her W proc reduces her Passive CD, or they could have increased her Passive CD. Honestly these changes might make her see play in pro play as an offmeta pick. Her new R combo well with a few champs like Kled in like a deathball comp. But for solo Q these changes are just massive nerfs
: Why the F is Riot giving Vi aoe Crit.....
She won't go crit unless they bring the old Critty Force back, these changes are a fucking meme. The better is why did they nerf her so god damn hard and call it a "buff"
Turnbomb (NA)
: Nunu has the highest win rate in the game... he deserves a nerf. This isn't because of pro play.
Nunu is garbage. Nunu is only "good" because the JG role is complete dogshit ATM and Nunu secures objectives well. If Nunu was actually too strong people would be playing him over Sion as a tank top laner
Rioter Comments
: Vayne is now at a 53% winrate 26% playrate 60% winrate on mains
Vaynes not strong, other ADCs are just weak, buff crit and rageblade Something something something{{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=WashyMoney,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZG2isBsE,comment-id=0010000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T15:08:38.646+0000) > > Just not true. You personally are one of the worst and most biased boards users. You look at stats _maybe_ when it supports you, but are too bad to even analyze why the stats are the way they are. Honestly an embarrassment to the community. You should feel bad. "iF i CaLl YoU bAd a BuNcH mY AwFuL aRgUmEnT bEcOmEs VaLiD" Like i said you don't know me, you have never seen me play. You're just calling me bad instead of making real arguments about champs. Zed has almost 50% presence in master+ while having 54% WR. The champ is clearly OP at the highest levels on solo Q and clearly just fits bad into pro play and is weak there.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=WashyMoney,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZG2isBsE,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2019-03-04T02:40:37.020+0000) > > _**--Removed--**_ What? you don't even know me. It also has nothing to do with "me" It's just a logical fallacy A champ can be busted at the same time as me being bad They aren't mutual exclusive, When it comes to me personally I base my opinions on what is broken mostly off pick/ban rates of Pro and Master+ and not what frustrates me personally
: You know i don't care about this Yoirck nerfs but it show something funny about Riot logic
Riot has pet champs and those pet champs get special treatment when it comes to the nerf stick Rick isn't one of those pet champs so he get instant nerfed as soon as he becomes somewhat meta Riven is a pet champ and she will stay strong because of it. Riot will jump through mental hoops justifying why "she really isn't strong" "we have to wait and see for 6 months first" Saw the same thing last year with {{champion:62}} instant nerfs when meta and champs like {{champion:39}} which took 6 months before she was hit with anything other then a meme nerf and is still and A+/S- Tier champ
Rock MD (NA)
: Since Boards keeps complaining about Zed, I decided to watch a Boards user play vs. Zed
Players being bad against a champ doesn't make that champ not OP. Your exercise is pointless.
: me (plat 3, 57% wr) got a SILVER 1 36% WR PLAYER AUTOFILLED INTO MY ROLE ON MY TEAM (RANKED)
needHymn (NA)
: A 72.5% win rate playing fill, ranks you up only as fast as a 55% win rate player who mains a role.
I'm pretty sure if you fill the system is just gonna treat you as a JG or Support main depending on your elo. Since you will be in a way "maining" one of those roles.
Rioter Comments
: Yep with my 70% win rate over about 100 games. Coin flipped my wins with no skill 100 times. Also did the same last season . And the season before. I'm definitely silver man. Just lottery tier lucky.
> [{quoted}](name=Morgana Deus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rboVOaz1,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-02-23T22:43:25.386+0000) > > Yep with my 70% win rate over about 100 games. Coin flipped my wins with no skill 100 times. Also did the same last season . And the season before. I'm definitely silver man. Just lottery tier lucky. You realize i can see you mid win rate right? If you're a diamond tier player why can't you just play something like Zed or Ahri and smurf on Silver mid laners? You one trick an easy champ in an easy role. It doesn't mean you're as good as even Gold players in other roles. I can pull up your OP.GG and see you losing in CS to Silver players. Sorry the new rank system is a reality check that shows you how average you are at the game.
: Coinflipping gold games s9 as a plat/diamond player
Have you considered the fact you're actually just a 50% Silver 1 Mid laner who has been carried by how easy their main role/champ is?
: I love the people saying it was "a tactical choice". You all know far too well this wasn't the case, for ROX didn't need tactics. They could have won banning pizza and playing with one hand. We all know it, they know it , and used the skill difference to send the message by memeing the girls. While the message IS FAIR (they are so bad we can do whatever we want to them---why are they here) it's not their right to openly disrespect their opponents (and the whole female gender playing lol btw.. Of all the memes they could have chosen in bans they chose the "women --support"). As a girl I am furious with that organization enforcing the meme creating a meme team. Still, everyone has to treat their opponents fairly, even if the opponents are really a joke
> [{quoted}](name=LightIsMyPath,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7ARhWoHa,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-02-22T18:54:08.736+0000) > > I love the people saying it was "a tactical choice". You all know far too well this wasn't the case, for ROX didn't need tactics. They could have won banning pizza and playing with one hand. So basically the all girl team is Soft inting by picking players that don't really belong on the stage. But the team that tried their best to win should be punished because they made this soft inting team feel bad by winning?
: Wait the team that banned 5 supports got a punishment???
: Karthus Jungle Winrate Drops 5% off a 5/10 Damage nerf
Riot should have a rule against posting such blatant lies for upvotes. It's frankly trolling. Nobody memed this nerf. This isn't Zoe .25 or Irelia -5ms. Hell it isn't even Graves -3 AD It's not "5 dmg" it's 5 on aoe and 10 on single target. It's also 1 second CD for a JG champ that relies on his Q almost solely to clear camps. He has a very farm heavy playstyle and this adds like 10-15 second to his first clear. This is like nerfing 30+ dmg or more off a normal ability while making his core item cost 200g more Correlation =/= causation and Lolalytics has Karthus Master+ and Plat+ losing significantly less then 5% WR
: Spoken as someome who has never played Lucian and ignores what makes him strong. I do think he needs more nerfs, but it's far from being a meme nerf due to how fast he goes oom already.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Aa1zzwg5,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-02-21T01:54:23.173+0000) > > Spoken as someome who has never played Lucian and ignores what makes him strong. It's a partial revert of one of the 3 unnecessary buffs he was given. It's a meme nerf
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zp5yRAxZ,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T16:08:17.098+0000) > > Her weakness is she loses lane to kennen like every other champion. (Sarcastic voice here) > > No. She doesn’t have any weaknesses. If the riven player is even decent at her, she doesn’t have any. Her weakness is entirely dependent on the person player her. So if the riven player is good enough she can become immune to CC in team fights? Didnt knew that. Riven has 0 reach into back lines without flash, its easy to pin her down with tanks and then kill her with your team before she does anything in team fights, assuming your team isnt 0-30. But yeah, if your team picks a bunch of assassins with no frontline dont be surprised that riven can mop the floor, and that is not riven's fault.
> [{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zp5yRAxZ,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T16:14:38.846+0000) > > So if the riven player is good enough she can become immune to CC in team fights? He said the meme guys hehe.
: And that's why he's getting a nerf tomorrow
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Aa1zzwg5,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-20T20:16:36.731+0000) > > And that's why he's getting a nerf tomorrow Meme nerf LUL
Rioter Comments
: ACTUALLY every point of armor and every point of mr always adds exactly 1% of your EHP vs damage of that type. They are two of the strongest stats in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=23FXnTxE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T19:14:54.743+0000) > > ACTUALLY every point of armor and every point of mr always adds exactly 1% of your EHP vs damage of that type. They are two of the strongest stats in the game. Can i have some of what you're smoking
: So you are saying that if you go "4/10/8", it is only the fault of your teammate and never because you missplayed or forced a bad fight or went too far in the map? I am glad the world is convenient enough for you to never make mistakes, only your mate does : )
> [{quoted}](name=Nevrankroaton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=opkWX7yT,comment-id=0005000200010000,timestamp=2019-02-17T19:46:16.473+0000) > > So you are saying that if you go "4/10/8", it is only the fault of your teammate and never because you missplayed or forced a bad fight or went too far in the map? > > I am glad the world is convenient enough for you to never make mistakes, only your mate does : ) If you win lane like 2/1/2 and first tower but then in the mid game you get tower dove by 3 fed players over and over and end on a 4/10/8 scoreline is it really primarily your fault? If you start out that game 3/0/3 on Xin but your bot lane feds Kha 8 kills in 10 mins and he one shots you from stealth 6 times over the course of the next 10 mins is it really your fault you end up 7/9/4?
: Let's talk about "Forced 50% Winrate"
> [{quoted}](name=Sevje,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=opkWX7yT,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-16T12:55:00.221+0000) > > No. Your opponents get better, your teammates get better. At the same rate. > No, they don't at all. That's the entire reason people say there is a "forced" win rate. If you're say Silver 3 for 50 games, then you start to get better at the game and go on a 13-2 win streak it will start slanting the games heavily favor towards the other team. Now all of a sudden you're a Silver 1 with 4 Silver 4 teammates and the the entire other team is Gold 4. It's not just that you're facing Gold 4s a Silver 1 and your opponents are "better" then the Silver 3&2s you been playing against, it's also that for some reason your teammates are also worse.
: Wtf? Support items? Just wow.
As a Jungler main i feel your pain
: listen to me. you get your jungler to come, at like level 4. and dive her under tower if necessary. then do it 4 more times. congratulations, you beat vayne top.
> [{quoted}](name=disregardable,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-07T23:41:46.512+0000) > > listen to me. > > you get your jungler to come, at like level 4. and dive her under tower if necessary. > > then do it 4 more times. > > congratulations, you beat vayne top. Then the other teams jungler counter ganks 4 times and it goes even until she gets 2 items then you lose [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr1_mS_i5YY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr1_mS_i5YY) But hey you probably know how to beat Vayne top better then the world champs right?
wuthappen (EUW)
: Lets assume you build the armor items mentioned in OP, then most likely you are a tank. Killing vayne is not you job and never wll be. Your job is to survive slightly longer than everybody else, soak dmg and CC her, so your team can kill her.
> [{quoted}](name=wuthappen,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=00010000000200000001,timestamp=2019-02-08T17:09:03.194+0000) > > Lets assume you build the armor items mentioned in OP, then most likely you are a tank. Killing vayne is not you job and never wll be. Your job is to survive slightly longer than everybody else, soak dmg and CC her, so your team can kill her. "2ndly the game you played as riven vs vayne top" "your team had nothing for armor out side ninja tabs no one built {{item:3110}} {{item:3075}} {{item:3143}}" Most likely a tank, not your job Talking about {{champion:92}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Also, it's quite often the tanks job to match Vayne in a split push when Vayne is played top.
: well vayne top has less then a 2% pick rate so its not seen that often 2ndly the game you played as riven vs vayne top the enemy had ad jungler and an crit build adc in tristana your team had nothing for armor out side ninja tabs no one built {{item:3110}} {{item:3075}} {{item:3143}} 3rd the enemies mid laner {{champion:61}} went 11-4-15, tristana the bot lane adc went 11-5-12, olaf jungle went 11-4-16 while the broken vayne went 8-6-6 4th orianna had the most damage dealt to champs at 29.3k vayne had 22 k but olaf had a lot of damage for a jungler to champ at 19.3k 5th vayne had 5.1k true damage to champs to be out done by jungle olaf with 7.5k so yes its all vayne {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
> [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-07T23:41:43.156+0000) > > well vayne top has less then a 2% pick rate so its not seen that often > >Snip So because the Vayne player was bad that makes Vayne bad? Outstanding logic
: > [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T22:32:22.465+0000) > > Yeah, it's also the game where i'm walking through my JG as a fed {{champion:77}} and i turn the corner only to get condemned into the wall and die before i can even really move by someone who is a full item behind me. > > Not like Vayne can go invisible or dash around every other second to avoid CC either right? Is it also the game where you ward?
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T22:37:43.888+0000) > > Is it also the game where you ward? Yeah i try to put pink wards at the front of all the JG entrances and every one of my camps all game long.
DerPunkt (EUW)
: So you mean the game where I mind my business under my turret and a {{champion:77}} just comes running at me fucks me and leaves into the forest again? It's all about perspective. So a Vayne will condem you away. But most other ADC will just run from Udyr. What did people say when ADC where shit after 8.11? Adapt like every other lane. So just respect Vaynes area of the map and you are golden.
> [{quoted}](name=DerPunkt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-08T22:47:06.627+0000) > > So you mean the game where I mind my business under my turret and a {{champion:77}} just comes running at me fucks me and leaves into the forest again? > > It's all about perspective. So a Vayne will condem you away. But most other ADC will just run from Udyr. What did people say when ADC where shit after 8.11? Adapt like every other lane. So just respect Vaynes area of the map and you are golden. It's not about perspective it all. Certain champs are supposed to be good at certain things. Instant gibing a juggernaut/fighter isn't something a ADC should be good at. Udyr is very bad it certain aspects of the game like teamfighting which Vayne is very strong at. It's about balance and trade offs.
: > [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T21:08:57.606+0000) > > 2.0 AS. What game are you playing? the Lethal Tempo build is like 3.0 as at 2 items+AS boots. I'm playing the game where someone CCs the ADC during Lethal Tempo.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T22:09:22.879+0000) > > I'm playing the game where someone CCs the ADC during Lethal Tempo. Yeah, it's also the game where i'm walking through my JG as a fed {{champion:77}} and i turn the corner only to get condemned into the wall and die before i can even really move by someone who is a full item behind me. Not like Vayne can go invisible or dash around every other second to avoid CC either right?
Wolkenss (NA)
: Is Akali really that strong in pro play? (Warning: quite long)
Akali was disgustingly OP before 9.3. I'm not really sure where she sits at now, but anyone arguing about her prior to the is just biased and should be ignored. Win rates mean jack shit. Look at pick/ban in highest levels of play if you wanna know whats good. Akali was like 80% presence in master tier for months not because she was "fun" but because she was bat shit broken.
: > [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-08T08:08:47.790+0000) > > She can with a stacked rageblade at 3 items do 3-4 k true damage in 3-4 seconds. > > Its pretty damn disgusting for literally anyone expected to act as a frontline against her. Let's see... 3-4k true damage in 3-4 seconds is 1000 true damage per second... assume 2.0 AS... Rageblade is a W proc every other hit, so once per second... 1000 true damage per W proc... assume maxed W... divide by 14%... that's a target with 7k health. 7k health isn't very common at all. Therefore, I'd say that your damage estimate is - while not impossible - an extreme outlier at best. Besides, it's probably healthier for the game if there's a champ that can give tanks a "ticking timer" that allows them to tank for several seconds but not indefinitely.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cun7vjnB,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T08:17:27.098+0000) > > Let's see... 3-4k true damage in 3-4 seconds is 1000 true damage per second... assume 2.0 AS... Rageblade is a W proc every other hit, so once per second... 1000 true damage per W proc... assume maxed W... divide by 14%... that's a target with 7k health. > > 7k health isn't very common at all. Therefore, I'd say that your damage estimate is - while not impossible - an extreme outlier at best. Besides, it's probably healthier for the game if there's a champ that can give tanks a "ticking timer" that allows them to tank for several seconds but not indefinitely. 2.0 AS. What game are you playing? the Lethal Tempo build is like 3.0 as at 2 items+AS boots.
: LS Rants About How Midlane is now the Worst Lane and will become slaves to serve ADCs
Well at least Irelia still has disarm on her R. He's a coach btw.
: I despise Riot's obsession with saving essence flare
member when "Essence Essence Flare Reaver" was supposed be an ADC item. Then it turned out to be good on a bunch of non-adcs so they renamed it nerfed it's cost efficiency. Good times
: Which is a big fuck you to ADCs simply because you have to be DEPENDANT on either 4 fakers who know what they are doing or on 4 apes that let you die and blame you for not carrying. Which is the reason why I stopped maining ADCs. Nobody wants to bet on his team in a mode called "Solo Queue." It doesn't feel fair tbh.
> [{quoted}](name=HopeStartsWithU,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jg3IEvL0,comment-id=00060002000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-06T18:50:07.481+0000) > > Which is a big fuck you to ADCs simply because you have to be DEPENDANT on either 4 fakers who know what they are doing or on 4 apes that let you die and blame you for not carrying. Which is the reason why I stopped maining ADCs. > > Nobody wants to bet on his team in a mode called "Solo Queue." It doesn't feel fair tbh. Remember when Faker played Karma mid during worlds finals because giving shields to the ADC was more important then being the best player in the world. Truly was a fun meta for anyone that didn't main ADC.
: Ardent meta made adc unkillable because of their supports. All their items have been nerfed, all shields have been nerfed, exhaust has been nerfed and marksmen base stats + items pricing and damage have been nerfed. That's overkill, people are so caught up in the ardent meta that they cant grasp the idea that maybe it was a bit too much? Nah, the guy who circlejerks juggernauts (probably the most polarizing class in the game) is gonna explain why marksmen need to get 1 shot by everything.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcSnipeyz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jg3IEvL0,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2019-02-06T18:46:15.915+0000) > > Ardent meta made adc unkillable because of their supports. > All their items have been nerfed, all shields have been nerfed, exhaust has been nerfed and marksmen base stats + items pricing and damage have been nerfed. > > That's overkill, people are so caught up in the ardent meta that they cant grasp the idea that maybe it was a bit too much? > > Nah, the guy who circlejerks juggernauts (probably the most polarizing class in the game) is gonna explain why marksmen need to get 1 shot by everything. Exhaust has been "nerfed" by lower its offensive capabilities not's it's defensive ones and with ignite finally nerfed we should start seeing people run Exhaust Sup again and Barrier/heal mid lane and more TPs instead of ignite and red smite dmg nerfs ect. Which is already a massive change that people haven't full adapted too yet As far as items go only a few support items were nerfed some of them have already been buffed back up and the Knights Vow kinda stuff wasn't touch outside of lowering the damage of Zekes recently. It wasn't even just Ardent Meta it was 7.24-8.10 even after ardent itself was nerfed.
: There's a fine line between getting 1 shot by supports to going back to the ardent meta. Please stop spamming "BuT ArDeNt mEtA 'mEmBeR?" Nobody liked that meta. But maybe go back a bit further when damage wasnt so high, and people needed to use stuff to 1 shot you. No one is arguing that adc should eat a full zed combo and survive or duel him, but i dont need to die to R+AA duskblade when my support doesnt even have time to react. What's the point of having damage when i m out of the fight from 1 CC and a stray mage ability. To put it on equal terms in your juggernaut brain (since i know you love circlejerking juggernauts) it would be like removing any catch potential, and MS boost in juggernauts kits and items since kiting them is their weakness and thats their counterplay. Im sure you're gonna reply with some comment on how garen is mechanicly complex for having AA reset or something and marksmen are only right clicking to 1 shot everyone in a 700 unit radius.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcSnipeyz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jg3IEvL0,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-02-06T17:03:04.737+0000) > > No one is arguing that adc should eat a full **zed** combo and survive or duel him, but i dont need to **die to R**+AA duskblade when my **support doesnt** even have time to **react.** Zed R. No time to react [https://imgur.com/r/contentawarescale/U6xWtZJ](https://imgur.com/r/contentawarescale/U6xWtZJ)
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: > [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uifWOyRr,comment-id=0019,timestamp=2019-02-06T17:09:05.939+0000) > > You linked a video were literally every death is him getting deleted by a fed assassin. Should ADCs not be one shotable by fed {{champion:7}} {{champion:107}} ? Best part was he is also playing non-adcs in the video at a few points like {{champion:13}} {{champion:115}} and oh guess what happens when he gets caught out playing mages, shockingly he dies instantly. Yet for some reason only the people who play marksman endlessly complain about this. Odd Why do you take things literally, like i said to 10 people here commenting the same thing, THIS IS NOT,I REPEAT IS NOT, a compilation of ALL one shots know to men in league history, nor am i complaining only about getting one shotted, it doesn't matter if youre getting one shotted by rengar or flash on by Jax that will take 1.5 second longer to kill you, you still cant do shit unless you play 3-4 carries out of a whole rooster. Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHd9BgrYM8 here's a video of pro players getting deleted by Vladimir,Syndra,Riven,Gragas,Diana,Aurelion Sol even,Sona,Lux,Cho,Veigar you name it, damage is high across the boards, it might not only be an ADC problem especially when youre dealing with a fed assassin but playing an immobile carry like jinx will feel 10x worse than playing a Malzahar with Zhonya, Rylai and Liandry i can tell you that
> [{quoted}](name=HàrrowR,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uifWOyRr,comment-id=00190000,timestamp=2019-02-06T17:24:41.407+0000) > > Why do you take things literally, like i said to 10 people here commenting the same thing, THIS IS NOT,I REPEAT IS NOT, a compilation of ALL one shots know to men in league history, nor am i complaining only about getting one shotted, it doesn't matter if youre getting one shotted by rengar or flash on by Jax that will take 1.5 second longer to kill you, you still cant do shit unless you play 3-4 carries out of a whole rooster. > > Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHd9BgrYM8 here's a video of pro players getting deleted by Vladimir,Syndra,Riven,Gragas,Diana,Aurelion Sol even,Sona,Lux,Cho,Veigar you name it, damage is high across the boards, it might not only be an ADC problem especially when youre dealing with a fed assassin but playing an immobile carry like jinx will feel 10x worse than playing a Malzahar with Zhonya, Rylai and Liandry i can tell you that Hello, Hello, Anybody home? Think Mcfly, think. Your title says ADC in it and your thread is about how it "feels bad to play adc" If i'm 1/4 {{champion:77}} with {{item:3047}} a 7/2 {{champion:107}} will one shot me and i don't have a tower or a support that supposed to help me. What you're talking about isn't something that is a "problem" that only ADC face. You can try to turn i around all you want but i can read your OP.
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: ADC players: We don't like getting one shotted in 0.2 seconds, Boards:
You linked a video were literally every death is him getting deleted by a fed assassin. Should ADCs not be one shotable by fed {{champion:7}} {{champion:107}} ? Best part was he is also playing non-adcs in the video at a few points like {{champion:13}} {{champion:115}} and oh guess what happens when he gets caught out playing mages, shockingly he dies instantly. Yet for some reason only the people who play marksman endlessly complain about this. Odd
: "I want ADC to be less shitty to play"
There isn't a gray area. As soon as ADCs can't be killed the easy the entire game warps around them. Being able to one shot them is the counterplay to them. I don't want ADCs to rot i want them have their right clicking gutted and their utility to be buffed. This includes the pseudo ADC that i play in {{champion:104}} [https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a3pp81/a_rioters_personal_stance_on_the_state_of_marksmen/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a3pp81/a_rioters_personal_stance_on_the_state_of_marksmen/) "That said, Marksmen have low agency. Agency is a measure of how impactful their own actions are at determining their success - and I strongly suspect this is what marksmen actually complain about. They got this weird conception that they are supposed to be carries (adc lul) - but that's literally the opposite of what they are. The more reliable your output is (repeatable ranged unmissable dps), the less agency you can have. Really you can view every ability as a way to buy agency - and the more unreliable (missable/dodgeable/high cost/difficult to position/long CD) your ability is the more agency it can buy. And since Marksmen put the majority of their power budget in a very reliable ability (AAs), they can buy the least agency. Imagine how miserable a fight would be if Marksmen had the most agency. You can't outplay an AA, you can't wait for it to be on CD or dodge it, and therefore the Autoattacker also can't outplay with that AA. Anything you tried to do to stop this, the marksmen would negate because they have higher agency. Every other role MUST have agency over them - or they reliably lose because marksmen are reliable. So as long as their AAs consume the majority of their power budget, they are functionally very powerful cannon minions, not carries."
: >You literally said "never give up" In no moment I said "never give up" in my original post or anywhere else as an absolute ideal. So yeah, big Strawman. I DID say that if I had to choose, that'd be a lot better than the opposite extreme which would be someone giving up very easily. And I only said that because you compared both being equally bad, which I completely disagree with. Those are 2 very different things. >Your flaming me ? Lol, ok. >Which if we apply your own appeal to authority logic I mean, you can't just accept the authority argument when it's convenient for you. Not to mention you're just assuming a majority of higher elo players would say that. So far you're just stating it which doesn't have any relevance. Giving drakes for free means literally free, not in your own interpretation.
> [{quoted}](name=Keytar Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mI2EW47m,comment-id=00060000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-05T04:43:53.876+0000) > > In no moment I said "never give up" in my original post or anywhere else as an absolute ideal. So yeah, big Strawman. "Respect the vote from the people who don't want to give up and genuinely think a comeback is possible."
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