Gilver (NA)
: [Runes Reforged]: The Hail of Blades
absolutely busted on the peeps who can use it {{champion:5}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:5}}
: why should all adcs be late game champions? It's not like "all" of any class, but marksmen, are forced around a certain game time.
they aren't? not every ADC is intended to buy crit, which is the entire point of it as a stat being removed from items like ER, which is my second point. Caster marksmen now have caster marksmen items instead of jumping ship from lethality to crit depending on which one's not shit at the time >It's not like "all" of any class, but marksmen, are forced around a certain game time. juggernauts are universally shitty meat sacks if they didnt win the game in 30 minutes
: > [{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BKUapq0E,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-03T20:34:10.412+0000) > > not even a little true lol. Most ADCs have mana costs they need to manage. It's not as severe as mages because ADC spells aren't 800 range nukes that also provide AOE and crowd control. I clearly said that ADCs don't HAVE to use as much mana as mages. I never said that ADCs don't have mana costs. At least read the OP again: "...they don't need to use mana MOST OF THE TIME" > -4 AD is massive and ADCs have less armor = ADs are more vulnerable to AD fighter poke and all-ins. WTF do you mean "AD fighter poke"? The only fighters that could poke an ADC without taking more damage back would be {{champion:266}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:6}} and {{champion:157}} the -4 AD only slightly hurts the ADC earlygame plus the range difference more than makes up for the "AD fighter poke" >You don't even need to pick a tank support, TBH. Somebody like Nami would work excellently with an all-in fighter since she gives them sticking power through her E. Counting supports as part of the equation is inherently a flawed idea because there are support counter-picks which can shut down ADCs just as much as there are supports that can shut down other supports It's a universal fact that Fighters have less range than ADCs and non-tank supports The closer someone is to a support, the easier it is for the support to hit all their moves It's physically impossible for a support(with a brain) to miss a 300 range peeling move of their own accord and if no minions are in the way(Janna Q, Nami Q, Braum ult, Naut E, Naut R, Zyra E, Brand EQ stun) What class is FORCED to go within 300 range in order to have a chance of attacking ADCS? Fighters so that class is guaranteed to be peeled at least ONCE from the enemy ADC if we include supports The reason why including supports is a bad idea is because arguments turn into a stupid: " Nami can just Q the Brand before he finishes EQ" "but Brand can Flash Nami's Q and then W burn her while the ADC does X" "But Nami can just ult and then give the fighter movespeed and they win cause brand is out of peel" "but ADC can just flash" "but Fighter can also flash" it turns into a pointless contest of "then X counters what you just said Y did" > which is exactly how assassins are supposed to work yeah, that's exactly my point. None of the classes I listed are going to be viable in the botlane after the crit changes > how about you actually test this shit when it comes to live instead of shilling your doom and gloom outlook? How about you read what I say accurately and make an argument for why you think other classes will be able to go to botlane instead of having a whole post that I can sum up in "no you are wrong" and then giving beyond weak arguments for why other classes MIGHT be able to go botlane(Not to mention you even agreed with me that Assassins are not gonna be viable botlane which shows that I have more merit than your argument)
>WTF do you mean "AD fighter poke"? {{champion:420}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:75}} yeah fighters have no ability to poke at all, and they definitely couldn't just all-in the squishiest champions in the game either. >so that class is guaranteed to be peeled at least ONCE from the enemy ADC if we include supports a 2v2 lane having to played with both players in mind, how absolutely shocking. lane synergy is absolutely something you need to be thinking about when considering who you're gonna be putting in bot lane. >yeah, that's exactly my point. None of the classes I listed are going to be viable in the botlane after the crit changes then don't play an assassin bot if it's not a lane you can snowball off of. lmao >make an argument for why you think other classes will be able to go to botlane because marksmen are weaker early which is by its own a massive buff for the champions who are meant to have strong early games, and fighters have pretty good odds in a 2v2 lane when supports have mostly high cooldowns. it depends almost entirely on the comp you want to run whether or not a melee or a mage bot lane will work, and what makes marksmen mandatory has more to do with it being easier to coordinate bot lane around an ADC by sheer virtue of its familiarity and how support itemization and kits are disproportionately geared towards marksmen. Time solves the first problem, Riot has already announced interest in solving the second. but i guarantee you won't even attempt it until someone else shows it works and then makes it popular, because 90% of boards wants the meta to be redefined for them instead of making it work themselves xd
: Changes to ADC items are in a backwards direction
>They're just making marksmen's damage take longer to come online. crit* marksmen, which is the point. late game champions being made into late game champions again, not "2 items and I'm a huge threat" champions caster marksmen now have much better and separate itemizing if they want to opt to be relevant sooner
: What if Lulu's W and E worked on towers?
remakoro (EUNE)
: {{item:1419}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3026}} {{item:3042}} {{item:3139}} {{champion:238}} {{item:3156}} Except twin shadows AD has its own counterpart for almost everything. And some things of its own.
3 shit items and 1 good one good try though desu
Rioter Comments
: Crit changes do nothing to bring non-marksmen into the botlane
>Ok so if I bring a mage into the new botlane then ADCs will be able to... win earlygame still cause they don't need to use mana most of the time... not even a little true lol. Most ADCs have mana costs they need to manage. It's not as severe as mages because ADC spells aren't 800 range nukes that also provide AOE and crowd control. >So bringing in a Fighter aaaaand I got outdamaged unless my support is a tank who always magically coordinates perfectly with me in order to kill the enemy support+ADC -4 AD is massive and ADCs have less armor = ADs are more vulnerable to AD fighter poke and all-ins. You don't even need to pick a tank support, TBH. Somebody like Nami would work excellently with an all-in fighter since she gives them sticking power through her E. >Bringing in an Assassin aaaand I get outscaled if I don't win the lane with at least 3/0 and the enemy ADC is 0/3 which is exactly how assassins are supposed to work how about you actually test this shit when it comes to live instead of shilling your doom and gloom outlook?
: i mean TBH you called wukong an assassin when he isn't meant to be one and he is legit a E Q R Bot while his entire combo has 0 counterplay
what else would he be? he's not a DPS champion and he has no reason to want to do anything else but kill you as quickly as possible
: Its really fun getting 1 shot by a 1 item Wukong
i ate this assassin's entire combo and he killed me w t F??????????????????????
: > [{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lbzEEGun,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-05-03T19:10:42.245+0000) > > i wish I had itemization even half as op as mage items like what?
{{item:3157}} {{item:3905}} {{item:3040}} {{item:3151}} {{champion:86}} {{item:3151}}
: Am I the only AP main that is jealous of the new Essence reaver?
i wish I had itemization even half as op as mage items
Naymliss (NA)
: The issue is that most adcs struggle playing against other classes. Remember when ziggs was meta? That was insanely unfun for adc players. Adcs simply do not have the tools (most of the time) to deal with other classes, so if someone like Swain or yasuo are allowed to be meta botlaners they will have 0 agency against them and will be forced to concede almost all of their cs. If they don't, they will just get run down. This is because in the games current state, in order for other picks to be meta bot you have to nerf supports and adcs methods of dealing with them. I do however believe that an item rework with power shifts to allow adcs to be more independent and deal a little less damage could be a solution, I was just stating the main reason why people don't want different champions to be meta bot.
ziggs bot oppressing ADCs with never getting more than 50% winrate 5% pick lol
: The Assassin Main Circle Jerk Needs to Stop
mages and supports circle jerk 100x harder
: @Riot What are your thoughts on New Infinity Edge True Damage + Conqueror + Yasuo?
what does it matter if he's doing less damage to everyone anyway?
Häxel (EUW)
: He dominated? maybe for a patch. Well urgot dominated directly shortly after his rework. Yoric nearly got no additional changes and has the lower win and pickrate as Urgot. What i think can be done beside by adding new toplaneitems (which riot also wants to do) is making him similart to Gnar: Gnar can use Meleeitems while he is Megagnar and while he is that Steraks can be proced (and a sa whole can be bought). Megnagnar also is a limited time where he is tankier, slower, does more Damage and has less Range. what would all this be on urgot? Exactly, urgot w. If Urgot would count as a melee during w he could buy steraks and it could only proc durig it, so w being off means he is cleary much more qsuiyhs (cause he ditched a tankitem probably for steraks). While urgot is in w he is slower and has slowresist, so geting moe ms from bc and having a stronger slow on fm shouldn't be that superstrong. Even fi you just can increase Urgots own w slow.
: New Infinity Edge converts 20% of crit damage into true damage? Hello, 40% true damage Tryndamere.
: How will Sivir be with the new changes to Essence Reaver?
Rioter Comments
: Why are people so scared at high skill/assasin champions
Rioter Comments
Bultz (NA)
: Stop fucking up Yasuo every time we reach a balance
LMAOing at people who think yasuo wasn't massively nerfed by these changes
Trias000 (EUNE)
: Laning against Nasus is the most frustrating experience I've had in League
learn how to play the map and beat him by getting your team ahead of his
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 2
do you have a lock on that tri-gage build nerf you talked about last time? curious to know if you do
Rioter Comments
: When you realize Megumin > Umaru
umaru is the greatest downvoted
: > [{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=08mmnijc,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-05-02T14:03:13.270+0000) > > I think garen will be extremely strong next patch > > storm solves the issues of crit garen needing to buy heavily into crit > > in exchange for giving up potential crit on spin you get 2 autos guaranteed to crit hard as well as a sizable amount of AD. garen NUKES short trades on PBE and can still get heavy defense to beef up well. sounds good. but question is if this is an actual problem and broken, or if its just in the same tier of buying duskblade on him, or other existing options that already give him burst on his q. gangplank on the other hand would be really fucking scary. or jhin or mf and other champions with ranged empowered auto attacks. those champions will be nuts with guaranteed crits, and without any additional changes to these abilities. {{champion:51}} is another one who comes to mind, and will just charge up her passive and then chunk the shit out of squishies from 700 range with {{item:3094}} and headshot crits.
I think garen will be strong but fine I am more worried about the divers becoming really unreasonable with it since they can so easily add it into their already reliable burst patterns
Sanngriðr (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rEmv0wtI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-02T14:04:45.345+0000) > > love taps lmao > > crit is shit until much later in the game now saw the overall math on a post. the nerfs wont do jack shit unless all crit items get hella more expencive.
you saw the math from a guy who misrepresented his own stats lol
: I think only a rare few items should be locked into roles - specifically the jungle items and the support items. You won't get this bullshit like they're doing on the PBE where they've made jungle items and support items mutually exclusive of one another so you can't buy a support item with a jungle item - it simply wouldn't be available in the first place. Support Items, as we have seen over the past season, NEED to be locked into the support role. Their abuse by other roles has caused all kinds of mayhem, and I don't know why Riot won't fix the core issue instead of this constant beat around the bush. In a similar note, if we lock jungle items to the role, and not Smite, no more will you lose a game if your jungler doesn't have Smite. It's simply win win for all parties involved if Riot just implemented role trading and bound jungle and support items to their role.
its the champions fault for abusing broken items instead of the items for being broken and abusable rly maek me tink
Jon Bovi (EUNE)
: Concept: Tying Items to Champion Classes
yes, lets completely bar any build diversity or creativity. a fun game is one that restricts all your choices
Sanngriðr (EUNE)
: If you go through with these Adc Lovetaps
love taps lmao crit is shit until much later in the game now
: do you really think garen is going to break the item? i mean. {{champion:41}} literally every q poke against an opponent of his is going to be a crit. all he has to do is not attack something for 2.5 seconds before he presses the button on your character model.
I think garen will be extremely strong next patch storm solves the issues of crit garen needing to buy heavily into crit in exchange for giving up potential crit on spin you get 2 autos guaranteed to crit hard as well as a sizable amount of AD. garen NUKES short trades on PBE and can still get heavy defense to beef up
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Zed in 8.10
weaker mage roster LOL
: Math and other stuff on PBE ADC changes
u forgot to account for stormrazor wukong, which puts them at a 100% decrease in damage
: Hey Riot: Since you're implementing Mana changes...
lol maybe they shouldnt have gooned themselves by making so many resource free champs
: that seems like a really weird item to make who it is meant for aside from a few fringe champions like GP?
> [{quoted}](name=303Devilfish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UyhKeVac,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-02T09:13:31.001+0000) > > that seems like a really weird item to make > > who it is meant for aside from a few fringe champions like GP? any burst AD who auto attacks in their combo
Rioter Comments
: If Yasuo is not addressed during the Marksman item changes, then Riot done goofed.
: A message from the OCE boards.
: Lucian was the first person I thought of when I saw the change lol. Not surprising in the slightest. Not really sure who else this is super bonkers on tho. Sivir or Vayne maybe?
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1rfE4ApO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-02T02:36:52.668+0000) > > Lucian was the first person I thought of when I saw the change lol. Not surprising in the slightest. Not really sure who else this is super bonkers on tho. Sivir or Vayne maybe? {{champion:5}}
: The Q thing is a bug, should be fixed on PBE tomorrow (had quite a few things go wrong in pushing it to PBE). Q-E-Auto should proc it twice if you spin for 2.5 seconds. For a while in testing it just gave you 100% crit chance til you critted something, which was super fun on Garen. Turns out we can't actually let Jhin have 4000 gold of free stats while he ults, though - who'd've thought?
: Why These ADC Changes Are Actually More Brutal Than Most Seem to Be Seeing
{{champion:86}} stormrazor's best friend {{champion:86}}
: New Essence Reaver on Lucian showcase
: Stormrazor need to flat out be deleted before it even added
>right.. becuase we need adc doing even MORE burst then you list 4 assassins lole
: > [{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UlrOOMva,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-02T00:03:50.928+0000) > > guaranteed crit and a burst of MS are more important than some meager attack speed imo eh. the main issue id have with it is probably the lack of control over the passive. youll always have to open a fight with a spin, or you blow it prematurely with your q. the old {{item:3142}} + {{item:3031}} fit his kit so well, that you could run them as your only two offensive items and go into defense from there. i fear, there will never be such good crit items for him anymore.
spin doesnt reset the timer. otoh for some reason Q won't apply the crit (apparently any modified auto attack won't right now -- hopefully a bug) but you can get 2 free crits before and after spin and it's a fairly big chunk of extra damage
: > [{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UlrOOMva,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-02T00:01:18.231+0000) > > at least we have storm razor qq storm razor has attack speed aswell. like 20% or 30%. if it was just the passive, maybe it could have worked. though it would still force you to basically never open a fight with q.
guaranteed crit and a burst of MS are more important than some meager attack speed imo
: RIP Garens critical strike itemization.
at least we have storm razor qq
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