: It’s because only certain classes get to have all this damage, then riot tacked on tank stats to all their items for no actual reason. Mages average 150 mr and 150 armor and 3000+hp without going crazy far out of their builds. Bruisers manage 3k hp 400 ad and 200+ in their defensive stats. Assassins manage 500+ad 2500 hp and about 125 in each resistance. What do tanks get? 300 in each resistance. 3k hp and that’s about it. Then account for the stupid amounts of %pen and %shred and %hp damage and it’s no wonder damage is the only thing viable.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uE43UWsj,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-18T04:28:45.755+0000) > > It’s because only certain classes get to have all this damage, then riot tacked on tank stats to all their items for no actual reason. > > Mages average 150 mr and 150 armor and 3000+hp without going crazy far out of their builds. > > Bruisers manage 3k hp 400 ad and 200+ in their defensive stats. > > Assassins manage 500+ad 2500 hp and about 125 in each resistance. > > What do tanks get? 300 in each resistance. 3k hp and that’s about it. > > Then account for the stupid amounts of %pen and %shred and %hp damage and it’s no wonder damage is the only thing viable. I get that you want tanks to feel tanky, but I don't think every tank should be a raid boss Nasus. Seems more toxic than the game already is.
Rioter Comments
: I understand that one would find it cool. But the things you said don't describe Kayle, the one that was shown to us in 2009.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-02-19T14:29:12.948+0000) > > I understand that one would find it cool. But the things you said don't describe Kayle, the one that was shown to us in 2009. How don't they? She is a power ascended is she not? Her armor could be considered useless at her level of power...
: Illaoi is the embodment of dominatrix (domination), eve is lust/murder, nidlee is a wild cougar, rengar is a wild cat. Lel too sexual #just jabbing your ribs
> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=0003000100000001,timestamp=2019-02-28T01:07:43.343+0000) > > Illaoi is the embodment of dominatrix (domination), eve is lust/murder, nidlee is a wild cougar, rengar is a wild cat. Lel too sexual > > #just jabbing your ribs It sounds like you're helping my argument more than jabbing my ribs...
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackEtherian,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=00030001000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-22T23:10:20.215+0000) > > Had you read what I wrote, you'd know that I said Kayle was an ARCHANGEL, which is in fact, more than JUST and angel. And yeah she was never even that.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=000300010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-23T00:28:39.083+0000) > > And yeah she was never even that. Elaborate?
: There is a big line between the examples you gave and this situation. And Kayle was not just any angel.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T17:35:07.551+0000) > > There is a big line between the examples you gave and this situation. And Kayle was not just any angel. Had you read what I wrote, you'd know that I said Kayle was an ARCHANGEL, which is in fact, more than JUST and angel.
: There is a big line between the examples you gave and this situation. And Kayle was not just any angel.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T17:35:07.551+0000) > > There is a big line between the examples you gave and this situation. And Kayle was not just any angel. How is there a "big difference" between what I stated and the current situation? are you trivializing people who find what I stated sexual? That's just as bad as what you're demonizing Riot for.
: > [{quoted}](name=Captainn Ginyu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-19T04:04:38.340+0000) > > cant help but feel people are blowing this up bigger than it needs to be > > i dont get the "Sex sells" argument when most of the female character in the game are sorta like that to start with why is kayle any different? Because designs that weren't made for the sexy perfect looks are now being transformed into that. And people don't want the same copy paste thing for 10 years almost.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-02-19T14:26:08.166+0000) > > Because designs that weren't made for the sexy perfect looks are now being transformed into that. And people don't want the same copy paste thing for 10 years almost. They said the same thing the last 3 female champions/reworks came out, are all female champions overly sexualized? is Illaoi to sexual because she shows her arm? Her arm is muscular and could appeal to men sexually, so let's delete her. Evelynn is the embodiment of lust, TOO SEXUAL, deleted, NIdalee is literally a wild cat/human tribe leader, so she probably grew up wearing next to nothing in the WILD, but too sexual DELETED etc... at this rate we'll have no champions. Kayle is an archangel, I highly doubt she needed ALL of her armor, I mean she is an angel.
Dynikus (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Elite4Runner,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-18T22:21:06.708+0000) > > These characters are intended to be over-the-top. They are meant to emphasize the aspects (and I'm not trying to use an innuendo) that make up their character, INCLUDING FEMININITY! > > Evelynn is pretty much the go-to example of this .. Her character is lust. She must be sexualized. > > Ahri is similar. The nine-tailed fox spirit of eastern legend takes the shape of beautiful women. > > Nidalee is wild. If she was wearing a sundress or battle armor she wouldn't give this impression as well as she does in scant animal skins. > > Yes, to some degree, it is sex appeal. .. but it is applied on both sides. > > Garen is the embodiment of justice, which is a very masculine trope. > > Draven is a showboat. > > This is even portrayed through other character aspects that aren't related to gender. > > Gragas is glutenous and Urgot is beastly, .. they are both large bodied characters. > > Zillean is wise and the embodiment of time, .. so he is an aged man. If you compare this with Ekko, which is a character that cheats time, he is a young boy. > > This is art I'm confused how kayle's design matches her character though. All of the characters you described are well designed and have aesthetics that match who they are. A spandex bodysuit doesnt fit an angelic warrior. It doesn't accentuate her character, it contradicts it.
> [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uxl0it1i,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-02-18T22:32:00.939+0000) > > I'm confused how kayle's design matches her character though. All of the characters you described are well designed and have aesthetics that match who they are. A spandex bodysuit doesnt fit an angelic warrior. It doesn't accentuate her character, it contradicts it. The only thing that is spandex is in the middle part of her suit, she has arm armor, leg armor, a helmet, along with shoulder armor/pad things, do you want her to look like Garen? The only defining difference from old Kayle to new Kayle is the breast plate...
: > [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vXKXe7oo,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-09T02:32:21.881+0000) > > If their is an expressed agreement to switch lanes, they should not be punished. That's not fair to the enemy team. You're effectively cheating.
> [{quoted}](name=DeceasedL0ved0ne,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vXKXe7oo,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-09T03:21:01.383+0000) > > That's not fair to the enemy team. You're effectively cheating. How are is it cheating? The other top laner has the same right to switch the lane as I do
Rioter Comments
Jétaíme (OCE)
: His heal is indeed quite broken. Best way to counter him is just get grievous wounds item or gang up on him. I have a nerf suggestion for his ult, his ult should be able to copy only ults that WERE just used for the past let's say minute or 30 seconds. It's so stupid how he can 1v1 tryndamere by just stealing his ult while trynd is low which prompts trynd to pop ult first before sylas ult.. This also applies to Nasus ult, stupid how he can just 1v1 a freaking 500 stacks Q monster and heal off to full hp.. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=Jétaíme,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-02-06T11:53:59.777+0000) > > His heal is indeed quite broken. Best way to counter him is just get grievous wounds item or gang up on him. I have a nerf suggestion for his ult, his ult should be able to copy only ults that WERE just used for the past let's say minute or 30 seconds. It's so stupid how he can 1v1 tryndamere by just stealing his ult while trynd is low which prompts trynd to pop ult first before sylas ult.. This also applies to Nasus ult, stupid how he can just 1v1 a freaking 500 stacks Q monster and heal off to full hp.. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} His whole kit is just dumb
Bârd (NA)
: Riot, if you want money, there are a lot of things we'd be willing to buy...
WEATHER ID PAY HELLA MONEY FOR WEATHER EFFECTS LIKE DOTA 2
: Nocturne the true eternal nightmare rework suggestion
There is a champion in Dota 2, that has trails that speed her up, and that EXACT same ult, her name is spectre
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackEtherian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEh3Zd2Z,comment-id=00120000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-29T22:36:33.177+0000) > > Right, but she uses it without any repercussions, she doesn't lose mana, she loses energy, which regens fairly quickly, thus giving her infinite sustain. And that's where the smart players come in. Akalis Q costs basically half her energy bar for the entire laning phase, if you see her use her Q to get that juicy, op, 35 hp, she'll be half energy. making her vulnerable if you were to engage on her after that. Her Q costs so much energy in lane AND the heal early game is extremely small. It was in no way over powered in the SLIGHTEST, not even almost. There's absolutely no reason for it to have been removed.
> [{quoted}](name=Charm With parm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEh3Zd2Z,comment-id=001200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-30T02:58:29.746+0000) > > And that's where the smart players come in. Akalis Q costs basically half her energy bar for the entire laning phase, if you see her use her Q to get that juicy, op, 35 hp, she'll be half energy. making her vulnerable if you were to engage on her after that. Her Q costs so much energy in lane AND the heal early game is extremely small. It was in no way over powered in the SLIGHTEST, not even almost. There's absolutely no reason for it to have been removed. If I recall correctly it heals per unit, so it's not 35 hp, and she wouldn't be vulnerable because shed have her shroud, her E, and her 2 dash ult lmfao
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackEtherian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEh3Zd2Z,comment-id=001200000000,timestamp=2019-01-29T16:02:18.243+0000) > > She didn't need the heal, it enabled her being overpowered, a heal that relies on ENERGY? On a skill with low CD? Seems too much to me. You realize the heal only worked if her energy bar was basically full right? She only ever got to use it once in a fight, or twice if she shrouded an waited for a bit more energy.
> [{quoted}](name=Charm With parm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEh3Zd2Z,comment-id=0012000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-29T19:06:09.916+0000) > > You realize the heal only worked if her energy bar was basically full right? She only ever got to use it once in a fight, or twice if she shrouded an waited for a bit more energy. Right, but she uses it without any repercussions, she doesn't lose mana, she loses energy, which regens fairly quickly, thus giving her infinite sustain.
: My main had 1492 games in D II. P.S. It's called a trial account. I learn new champions on it, and I don't know if you noticed, my entire September was dominated by Pyke play.... and most of it was solid :). I f'd around a bit in October. I can win/lose a game on a whim.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=00000003000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-29T06:03:33.317+0000) > > My main had 1492 games in D II. > > P.S. It's called a trial account. I learn new champions on it, and I don't know if you noticed, my entire September was dominated by Pyke play.... and most of it was solid :). I f'd around a bit in October. I can win/lose a game on a whim. You seem pretty cocky for a DII player, if you could win on a whim, you'd be rank 1
: Wrong. I'm a Diamond II Smurf who has a high play low elo account, who doesn't support main, but rather plays all roles, but mainly jungle and top. I have had long stints of queuing "Fill" but I rarely if ever explicitly Queue "Support." Even on my smurf, I outstrip Silver in every performance metric by 34% or greater. And, unlike the people I'm replying to.... Yes. I have posted factual information. If you played Pyke 50 times, I guarantee you would counter him almost every time you played against him. You're Gold-ish. Who are you to be rank shaming when you only play about 120 ranked games a year? (It's cute seeing a Gangplank main with Tri + Stormrazor trying to assert superiority over a D II)
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2019-01-28T20:53:32.398+0000) > > Wrong. I'm a Diamond II Smurf who has a high play low elo account, who doesn't support main, but rather plays all roles, but mainly jungle and top. I have had long stints of queuing "Fill" but I rarely if ever explicitly Queue "Support." > > Even on my smurf, I outstrip Silver in every performance metric by 34% or greater. > > And, unlike the people I'm replying to.... Yes. I have posted factual information. > > If you played Pyke 50 times, I guarantee you would counter him almost every time you played against him. > > You're Gold-ish. Who are you to be rank shaming when you only play about 120 ranked games a year? (It's cute seeing a Gangplank main with Tri + Stormrazor trying to assert superiority over a D II) How is what you said factual? You simply stated that most of the community didn't agree. Anyone can say that. you presented no factual evidence to support your claim.
: > [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-28T16:44:42.280+0000) > > Here's something that might shock you: Neeko ult is extremely overloaded, yet you don't complain about her and even say she is okay. Why is that? She has just as many things as Pyke, just not a heal, but she can actually build Health and she even has a strong shield. > > It's almost like this is a matter of perspective. Every champ has roughtly the same power budget. They are ALL by default "overloaded" around the same level, which just shows how vapid the term itself is. It's as vapid as "toxic" is. I get downvoted for this, yet anybody still has to prove me wrong. Neeko ult alone has -a shield -can move/flash during it -HUGE damage -HUGE ratio -HUGE AoE -stuns every target hit that alone is the entire kit of Annie in a single ability.
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-01-28T19:44:22.503+0000) > > I get downvoted for this, yet anybody still has to prove me wrong. > > Neeko ult alone has > -a shield > -can move/flash during it > -HUGE damage > -HUGE ratio > -HUGE AoE > -stuns every target hit > > that alone is the entire kit of Annie in a single ability. Annie is old and needs a rework, next.
: You do realize with the exception of Pyke, every one of them has a detrimental win rate.... Ban rate only expresses micro frustration. The reason high elo bans Akali is because they have 4 other champions to deal with, and dealing with her takes too much focus. She's not OP. She just devotes way too much attention. High elos try to ban "luck" encounters, because the 3-4 times Akali succeeds per game, may very well be a lane push. Zoe was sub 43% Win rate 6 months after her release. That's not a symptom of "New champion" Pyke isn't new. He's 48%. Irelia is dominating when a lane gives her a lead, but what top champ isn't? Played against a fed Renekton recently? or a fed Darius? Or a fed Garen? they have the same pressure/influence over a game. Bottom line: Ban rates are indicative of a player base wanting easy, direct kills, not about who kills them, when in high elo. They will ban the people with the most mobility, even if they do not have influential damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-28T17:41:24.459+0000) > > You do realize with the exception of Pyke, every one of them has a detrimental win rate.... > > Ban rate only expresses micro frustration. The reason high elo bans Akali is because they have 4 other champions to deal with, and dealing with her takes too much focus. She's not OP. She just devotes way too much attention. High elos try to ban "luck" encounters, because the 3-4 times Akali succeeds per game, may very well be a lane push. > > Zoe was sub 43% Win rate 6 months after her release. That's not a symptom of "New champion" > Pyke isn't new. He's 48%. > Irelia is dominating when a lane gives her a lead, but what top champ isn't? Played against a fed Renekton recently? or a fed Darius? Or a fed Garen? they have the same pressure/influence over a game. > > Bottom line: Ban rates are indicative of a player base wanting easy, direct kills, not about who kills them, when in high elo. They will ban the people with the most mobility, even if they do not have influential damage. It's not that they "Give" Irelia a lead if anything Irelias problem is how easy she can attain a lead with little to no thought or mechanical input.
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-28T15:58:46.873+0000) > > Kai'Sa - Overloaded > Pyke - Overloaded > Sylas - Overloaded > > Neeko - I think she's OK. Here's something that might shock you: Neeko ult is extremely overloaded, yet you don't complain about her and even say she is okay. Why is that? She has just as many things as Pyke, just not a heal, but she can actually build Health and she even has a strong shield. It's almost like this is a matter of perspective. Every champ has roughtly the same power budget. They are ALL by default "overloaded" around the same level, which just shows how vapid the term itself is. It's as vapid as "toxic" is.
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-28T16:44:42.280+0000) > > Here's something that might shock you: Neeko ult is extremely overloaded, yet you don't complain about her and even say she is okay. Why is that? She has just as many things as Pyke, just not a heal, but she can actually build Health and she even has a strong shield. > > It's almost like this is a matter of perspective. Every champ has roughtly the same power budget. They are ALL by default "overloaded" around the same level, which just shows how vapid the term itself is. It's as vapid as "toxic" is. It's almost as if it takes skill to hit Neeko's ult, you know? The one that stops you in place only to give you a shit shield that won't help you when you're in the middle of 4 champions in a team fight...
: Nah. They really don't. It's just that people who call foul generally are louder and more prolific than the people who actually try out the champs, assess their strengths and weaknesses, and then learn to counterplay them. There's a reason why most "OP New champs" don't have high win rates; Even if on a micro level, their kits duel well and are hard to react to, the tradeoff is they do not have an impression on their game's success on a macro level. That's why even with a double Siphoning Strike, Nasus really hasn't changed much. He's still a single target champion who only gains as much as one auto attack will let him. In contrast, more successful champs have aoes, faster move speeds in their builds, and can get away from a lane to help their teams. Pyke is also a single target champion who on a micro level performs "well" on the surface. But, when you break down what he actually does, his statistics do not support his KDAs. He is essentially a "finisher" 90% of the time, and only 10% duel. His kit has some of the lowest damage output in the game, only hits once per skill, the CC is brief, and much of it is easy to mitigate. So, most Pykes just wait around for teammates to start fights, and help finish those fights at less than 30-20% HP. He may have a good KDA, but generally underperforms in objectives, actual damage, and even CC, because his Q has conditions, he is easy to kill, and E doesn't happen enough to champions per game. Zoe was never at any point broken. In fact her win rate only went up after her 4th nerf, which moved some of her E and Passive damage into her W, and gave her a higher level 1 move speed on W, drastically reducing her Q/E damage output in the process. (I had a team last night that just kept stepping right on her Bubbles after they had been on the ground 1-1.5 seconds, who we had to block the shot for so many times, but that doesn't make her broken; that makes my teammates stupid). The size of her Q and linear nature of play and the weak structure of her R just makes her easy to kill/shut down/take out of a game. She's predictable, unless you use a ton of summoners around her. Which is also the opponent's ignorance. Neeko is balanced as hell. Her R in exchange for large hits, is VERY hard to actually hit. You maybe hit it 2-3 times a game, unless a team is constantly trying to kill Neeko, and Neeko has a Zhonya's...... which also makes that team dumb. That's not Neeko being OP. That's the opponents Risking a Zhonya's into a mechanic they SHOULD KNOW. Her E rarely ever gets its full duration root, and her Q is easy to walk out of, and each hit is smaller than the average mage's hits. Have you also noticed, that other than Pyke, all these champs have a really low play rate? If they were OP, they wouldn't be shelved. Especially with how fun, cute, and visually designed Neeko and Zoe are.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-28T16:17:12.246+0000) > > Nah. They really don't. It's just that people who call foul generally are louder and more prolific than the people who actually try out the champs, assess their strengths and weaknesses, and then learn to counterplay them. > > There's a reason why most "OP New champs" don't have high win rates; Even if on a micro level, their kits duel well and are hard to react to, the tradeoff is they do not have an impression on their game's success on a macro level. That's why even with a double Siphoning Strike, Nasus really hasn't changed much. He's still a single target champion who only gains as much as one auto attack will let him. In contrast, more successful champs have aoes, faster move speeds in their builds, and can get away from a lane to help their teams. > > Pyke is also a single target champion who on a micro level performs "well" on the surface. But, when you break down what he actually does, his statistics do not support his KDAs. He is essentially a "finisher" 90% of the time, and only 10% duel. His kit has some of the lowest damage output in the game, only hits once per skill, the CC is brief, and much of it is easy to mitigate. So, most Pykes just wait around for teammates to start fights, and help finish those fights at less than 30-20% HP. He may have a good KDA, but generally underperforms in objectives, actual damage, and even CC, because his Q has conditions, he is easy to kill, and E doesn't happen enough to champions per game. > > Zoe was never at any point broken. In fact her win rate only went up after her 4th nerf, which moved some of her E and Passive damage into her W, and gave her a higher level 1 move speed on W, drastically reducing her Q/E damage output in the process. (I had a team last night that just kept stepping right on her Bubbles after they had been on the ground 1-1.5 seconds, who we had to block the shot for so many times, but that doesn't make her broken; that makes my teammates stupid). The size of her Q and linear nature of play and the weak structure of her R just makes her easy to kill/shut down/take out of a game. She's predictable, unless you use a ton of summoners around her. Which is also the opponent's ignorance. > > Neeko is balanced as hell. Her R in exchange for large hits, is VERY hard to actually hit. You maybe hit it 2-3 times a game, unless a team is constantly trying to kill Neeko, and Neeko has a Zhonya's...... which also makes that team dumb. That's not Neeko being OP. That's the opponents Risking a Zhonya's into a mechanic they SHOULD KNOW. Her E rarely ever gets its full duration root, and her Q is easy to walk out of, and each hit is smaller than the average mage's hits. > > Have you also noticed, that other than Pyke, all these champs have a really low play rate? If they were OP, they wouldn't be shelved. Especially with how fun, cute, and visually designed Neeko and Zoe are. Why do you assume everyone complaining has never played the champions?
: Too bad the majority of the community doesn't agree with you if they've ever played 10 games on any of them.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k7OUHmTF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-28T08:45:13.461+0000) > > Too bad the majority of the community doesn't agree with you if they've ever played 10 games on any of them. Are you implying that Riot's most recent champions aren't overloaded and almost unbeatable compared to their older models? (I've played more than 10 games on all the new champion since Xayah and Rakan)
: +1. And I'm not an Akali player, nor a frustrated against Akali player. OK for the shroud nerf, but why the q heal? Seems like out of nowhere, and that's a big deal! Akali was already weak in lane (she has to be camped and to snowball a bit to become relevant). I think she will become unplayable, at all elo in ranked and in competitive play. I feel bad for Akali players.
> [{quoted}](name=Tundra Hunter,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEh3Zd2Z,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2019-01-29T14:21:05.511+0000) > > +1. And I'm not an Akali player, nor a frustrated against Akali player. > OK for the shroud nerf, but why the q heal? Seems like out of nowhere, and that's a big deal! > Akali was already weak in lane (she has to be camped and to snowball a bit to become relevant). > I think she will become unplayable, at all elo in ranked and in competitive play. > I feel bad for Akali players. She didn't need the heal, it enabled her being overpowered, a heal that relies on ENERGY? On a skill with low CD? Seems too much to me.
: Her laning will literally be impossible without the heal lol Why didn't they just lower it or simply make it scale per rank in it is beyond me. Imagine only being allowed to lane once you've put more than 3k gold into an item. Big yikes.
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEh3Zd2Z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-28T22:28:31.534+0000) > > Her laning will literally be impossible without the heal lol > > Why didn't they just lower it or simply make it scale per rank in it is beyond me. > > Imagine only being allowed to lane once you've put more than 3k gold into an item. Big yikes. Like every other assassin, Katarina for example... Imagine being blind to the fact that Akali is OP
: [Fanart] K/DA Katarina - Goddess with a blade
F03 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-25T23:14:27.898+0000) > > It doesn't heal all of his health and it's easily countered by grevious wounds. > > It's similar to Warwick's healing or Vladimir's, if you don't build against it, you're going to get punished. he said nearly all of his health not all of it sylas is broken and thats that
> [{quoted}](name=F03,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-01-27T00:17:00.182+0000) > > he said nearly all of his health not all of it > > sylas is broken and thats that He doesn't read, it's a useless battle, he still doesn't understand Sylas' E...
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackEtherian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-25T23:18:12.339+0000) > > Oh I'm sorry, but please explain how to counter his shield the size of Australia and his ability to stun you from 3 miles away. Is there any counter play to the shield? any specific item I should go out of my way to build because riot overturned this champion? The shield is pathetic. It doesn't last very long and is the only way for him to trade or try anything. "stun you from 3 miles away" how? His E is a shitty skillshot, learn to fucking dodge it before you talk shit. Also he is in melee range for it. That's not a mile away, that's a melee range stun.
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2019-01-27T00:13:36.835+0000) > > The shield is pathetic. It doesn't last very long and is the only way for him to trade or try anything. "stun you from 3 miles away" how? His E is a shitty skillshot, learn to fucking dodge it before you talk shit. Also he is in melee range for it. That's not a mile away, that's a melee range stun. Its not a melee range stun, he stuns you with the chains, then proceeds to pull himself to you to knock you up for an additional .5 seconds. He also doesn't have to use the shield to trade because he has a 55% AP ratio shield execute, so he'll be okay without it.
Hotarµ (NA)
: It doesn't heal all of his health and it's easily countered by grevious wounds. It's similar to Warwick's healing or Vladimir's, if you don't build against it, you're going to get punished.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-25T23:14:27.898+0000) > > It doesn't heal all of his health and it's easily countered by grevious wounds. > > It's similar to Warwick's healing or Vladimir's, if you don't build against it, you're going to get punished. Its a heal with a 55% AP ratio, that doubles if the target is below a 40% health threshold, I'm sorry, but that surpass that detriment of grievous wounds by miles.
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackEtherian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-27T00:03:56.364+0000) > > As I said in a previous comment, I have played the champion, and the shield does, in fact, have a 60 base, but it also has 90%AP, so NO it's not tiny, read up on the champions skills before you try to invalidate me, and as for the slow-moving .5 second stun, it's not JUST a stun, stuns then knocks up the target for .5 seconds, yet another thing you got wrong in your unintelligible quest to invalidate me. Let us not forget you can have an ultimate every 15 seconds ( Not including cooldown reduction ) as long as he hasn't stolen and ultimate from the target previously, so please PLAY THE CHAMPION before you come at me. The knockup IS the stun. His AP ratio means nothing because you're never going to get the AP since he sucks so much. And no, that's not how the ult works. Have fun stealing Vayne or Yasuo ults that do absolutely nothing for you while you wait another 2 minutes to steal the one you actually care about. If you don't immediately spam use the ult once stolen it's a detriment. He's pathetic all around. The W heal does nothing for you because you're a squishy in the end and people will easily kill you through it, or worse yet, even build healing reduction. It being so limited in range and on a long cooldown just entirely dumpsters him.
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-27T00:12:25.715+0000) > > The knockup IS the stun. > > His AP ratio means nothing because you're never going to get the AP since he sucks so much. > > And no, that's not how the ult works. Have fun stealing Vayne or Yasuo ults that do absolutely nothing for you while you wait another 2 minutes to steal the one you actually care about. If you don't immediately spam use the ult once stolen it's a detriment. > > He's pathetic all around. The W heal does nothing for you because you're a squishy in the end and people will easily kill you through it, or worse yet, even build healing reduction. It being so limited in range and on a long cooldown just entirely dumpsters him. Again, the chains stun the first enemy hit, then when Sylas arrives he knocks them up for an additional .5 seconds. On the topic of his AP ratio being useless, his most frequent builds include exclusively AP items, and while Sylas can't utilize a Vayne ult to its full potential, he can use Yasuo's, whether it be with his own single target knock up or his teammates. In your third statement, you said " It being so limited in range and on a long cooldown just entirely dumpsters him," are you implying he should have a long-range, 40% health threshold execute that heals for 55% of Sylas' AP, that AGAIN doubles if the target is below the said threshold? Does that sound "Pathetic" to you? or should they overtune him some more?
: If you want to maximize his dmg via passive, you need aa and unless you are superfed, you won't delete anyone without it.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:24:27.811+0000) > > If you want to maximize his dmg via passive, you need aa and unless you are superfed, you won't delete anyone without it. You don't though I have seen Sylas' fail to use AA throughout their combos and near one shot at 1-2 kills.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Are you complaining about his heal or shield? They're two separate abilities. On the subject of his heal - grievous wounds. Most midlaners will take Ignite anyway, if you don't have it for some reason just pick up a Morello's or Executioner's calling. The heal isn't that strong in the first place and from what I've seen so far, the ability isn't maxed first. Staying out of his range should be no problem for most midlaners as well. For his shield - It's a short range dash on a squishy champion. Every Sylas I've seen (in my own games and from videos) has built full AP and never any sort of tank items. So if you're going to take away his shield, he needs to be compensated with other resistances or more damage. Thankfully there _is_ counterplay to his shield like every other one, wait it out or try to puncture it (because again, Sylas is very squishy with lower-than-average mobility compared to others.) Unfortunately I couldn't find any detailed information on his ability ranges, but the second part of this ability (Abduct) is a skillshot with about 800-1,000 range, it seems. Dodge it or move out of his range, alternatively you can just engage on him again after waiting out his shield.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-25T23:50:23.814+0000) > > Are you complaining about his heal or shield? They're two separate abilities. > > On the subject of his heal - grievous wounds. Most midlaners will take Ignite anyway, if you don't have it for some reason just pick up a Morello's or Executioner's calling. The heal isn't that strong in the first place and from what I've seen so far, the ability isn't maxed first. Staying out of his range should be no problem for most midlaners as well. > > For his shield - It's a short range dash on a squishy champion. Every Sylas I've seen (in my own games and from videos) has built full AP and never any sort of tank items. So if you're going to take away his shield, he needs to be compensated with other resistances or more damage. > > Thankfully there _is_ counterplay to his shield like every other one, wait it out or try to puncture it (because again, Sylas is very squishy with lower-than-average mobility compared to others.) > > Unfortunately I couldn't find any detailed information on his ability ranges, but the second part of this ability (Abduct) is a skillshot with about 800-1,000 range, it seems. Dodge it or move out of his range, alternatively you can just engage on him again after waiting out his shield. Although the ability isn't normally maxed first it is indeed still a viable ability to max first, considering it is an execute, so if I was (without ignite) to stumble across a Sylas that maxed it first and it's too early in the game to buy a grievous wounds item, then I'm screwed. Although his shield is a "Short range dash" ( that he seems to have every 3 seconds ) it is still a significant part of his overall kit, damage reduction, and survivability, considering it has a 90% *in all caps* ability scaling, which is ridiculous for someone that already has a heal.
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackEtherian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-25T23:18:12.339+0000) > > Oh I'm sorry, but please explain how to counter his shield the size of Australia and his ability to stun you from 3 miles away. Is there any counter play to the shield? any specific item I should go out of my way to build because riot overturned this champion? His stun lasts 0.5 seconds and is a SLOW MOVING SKILL SHOT. There is your counter. His shield is tiny. It has a 60 base on a 14 second cooldown. Fucking play the champ before talking out your ass
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:24:48.520+0000) > > His stun lasts 0.5 seconds and is a SLOW MOVING SKILL SHOT. There is your counter. > > His shield is tiny. It has a 60 base on a 14 second cooldown. > > Fucking play the champ before talking out your ass As I said in a previous comment, I have played the champion, and the shield does, in fact, have a 60 base, but it also has 90%AP, so NO it's not tiny, read up on the champions skills before you try to invalidate me, and as for the slow-moving .5 second stun, it's not JUST a stun, stuns then knocks up the target for .5 seconds, yet another thing you got wrong in your unintelligible quest to invalidate me. Let us not forget you can have an ultimate every 15 seconds ( Not including cooldown reduction ) as long as he hasn't stolen and ultimate from the target previously, so please PLAY THE CHAMPION before you come at me.
: Other champs have better heals, and that's that.
> [{quoted}](name=The entire team,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-25T23:38:14.940+0000) > > Other champs have better heals, and that's that. Right but other champs have side effects to said heal or they have to sacrifice something to get such a heal and thats that
: Dealing with pyke's healing is like dealing with the weeping angels in doctor who, don't let him out of your sight if you don't want him to heal.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Apex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-26T00:06:10.463+0000) > > Dealing with pyke's healing is like dealing with the weeping angels in doctor who, don't let him out of your sight if you don't want him to heal. I have played with, against, and as him, so yes I still think he is OP
Hotarµ (NA)
: It doesn't heal all of his health and it's easily countered by grevious wounds. It's similar to Warwick's healing or Vladimir's, if you don't build against it, you're going to get punished.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-25T23:14:27.898+0000) > > It doesn't heal all of his health and it's easily countered by grevious wounds. > > It's similar to Warwick's healing or Vladimir's, if you don't build against it, you're going to get punished. Oh I'm sorry, but please explain how to counter his shield the size of Australia and his ability to stun you from 3 miles away. Is there any counter play to the shield? any specific item I should go out of my way to build because riot overturned this champion?
SEKAI (OCE)
: It can't be as bad as Pyke, right?
> [{quoted}](name=SEKAI,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XGLrOm1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-25T23:13:11.509+0000) > > It can't be as bad as Pyke, right? Yes, yes he is
Rioter Comments
: Like oh mi gawd, Soraka doesn't even have to show up to a lane to heal this person I was killing. It is so unfair Rito, please nerf Soraka. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Sounds silly, right? Gangplank can do the same from top lane to "gank" bottom. Am I saying Karthus is fine? Not one bit, but the reasoning here is poor.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Hu01A3el,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-22T15:39:41.124+0000) > > Like oh mi gawd, Soraka doesn't even have to show up to a lane to heal this person I was killing. It is so unfair Rito, please nerf Soraka. > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} > > Sounds silly, right? Gangplank can do the same from top lane to "gank" bottom. Am I saying Karthus is fine? Not one bit, but the reasoning here is poor. Hmm, yes, the reasoning may be poor, but so is yours because there global ults are balanced
: We've just had a glimpse for his upcoming rework. Now offers more opportunities to flash your M7.
> [{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=duyBvihd,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-21T18:52:20.419+0000) > > We've just had a glimpse for his upcoming rework. > Now offers more opportunities to flash your M7. And more opportunities for your spells to be blocks be a bullshit windwall
: udyr is not fine to play against
We been knew though, and they DON'T care
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Naalith,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QXKTB9RR,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-10T20:54:28.181+0000) > > I'm not attacking capitalism, I'm letting Riot know they won't survive in a capitalist system if they drive away their whole user base. That’s a bit dramatic. The only thing driving people away is the gameplay, not how they sell 0.1% of their skins.
> [{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QXKTB9RR,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-01-10T21:39:05.908+0000) > > That’s a bit dramatic. > > The only thing driving people away is the gameplay, not how they sell 0.1% of their skins. I completely agree.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackEtherian,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Hy3A2Qn0,comment-id=00210000,timestamp=2019-01-11T15:34:21.626+0000) > > Did we forget Ahri? I forgot about Ahri. Sorry...
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Hy3A2Qn0,comment-id=002100000000,timestamp=2019-01-11T15:38:33.184+0000) > > I forgot about Ahri. > Sorry... I'm reporting you, this is a bannable offense. We CAN'T forget our favorite Star Guardian.... and Popstar... and Arcader.... And EVERYTHING else
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: One patch later... New Ashe, Soraka and Lux skins!
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Hy3A2Qn0,comment-id=0021,timestamp=2019-01-11T15:14:42.971+0000) > > One patch later... > > New Ashe, Soraka and Lux skins! Did we forget Ahri?
: They are for me. There are certain skins I'll buy because I like them. There's no faster way to turn me off of skins than to give me a ultimatum that I have to purchase this skin in the next two weeks or else I'll miss out on the exclusive golden chroma with a fancy border along with being only available by buying both the skin and the Skrumbo Pass to grind enough tokens to get the Skrumbo Follower border.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Hy3A2Qn0,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-01-10T20:46:36.752+0000) > > They are for me. There are certain skins I'll buy because I like them. > > There's no faster way to turn me off of skins than to give me a ultimatum that I have to purchase this skin in the next two weeks or else I'll miss out on the exclusive golden chroma with a fancy border along with being only available by buying both the skin and the Skrumbo Pass to grind enough tokens to get the Skrumbo Follower border. How else would they be rare then? These Prestige skins weren't meant to be easily accessible.
Naalith (NA)
: Prestige skins are a predatory failure.
Honestly, 120 USD for a "golden" skin/item is normal, in Dota 2, which has an open market system, Crimson and Golden items go for upwards of 200 dollars. The skin is not a necessity, although I do understand your concern for the free way to obtain it.
Dr Dog (NA)
: ya his w starts from behind him its bullshit
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MPB6AAUz,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-10T17:56:27.610+0000) > > ya his w starts from behind him its bullshit VERY
: > [{quoted}](name=ClassD Personnel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MPB6AAUz,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-09T23:51:25.849+0000) > > So many yasuo haters on the boards, None of them are actually good at the game and they talk like a politician all day long speaking bullshit after bullshit. Yasuo isn't broken at all period. You just don't fight enough of them or even attempt to figure out how to beat one. Yasuo isnt broken. He just has fucking Shaco syndrome. Every yasuo on my team is a corn dog who just barely managed to achieve sentience. Meanwhile my team can’t manage to NOT feed the hell out of him. I seriously don’t get it. I can shit stomp a yasuo alllllllllll day long. And the moment any one of my teammates go near him, he’s getting 4 kills, a million dollars and a blowjob. Da fuq?
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MPB6AAUz,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-01-10T00:48:06.078+0000) > > Yasuo isnt broken. He just has fucking Shaco syndrome. > Every yasuo on my team is a corn dog who just barely managed to achieve sentience. > Meanwhile my team can’t manage to NOT feed the hell out of him. > > I seriously don’t get it. I can shit stomp a yasuo alllllllllll day long. And the moment any one of my teammates go near him, he’s getting 4 kills, a million dollars and a blowjob. Da fuq? Expect this Yasuo didn't have any help he just had 50 or so CS and a Zeal, which then enabled him to 1v3
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: Well, he did hit his powerspike around 0/3. It's only natural for that champion.
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MPB6AAUz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-09T15:49:04.235+0000) > > Well, he did hit his powerspike around 0/3. It's only natural for that champion. Oh yeah, I forgot
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