: Lets talk the ban system shall we?
Funny news.. so it turns out i wasn't actuslly perma banned but my login suddenly was logging into an OLD account and i lost my new one.. lmfao, well I'll try finding my account with riot support, but to all you saying i deserved a ban because I'm terrible- HAHA jokes on you i wasn't perm banned!
: Revert Aatrox
No no we are not. New aatrox is great, amazing. The only thing is that it isn't really *aatrox*. It's a great rework, reaaaally fun, but it isn't the old one, as an aatrox player myself i miss the old one. But i do want this one to stay as well.
: Lets talk the ban system shall we?
Alrighty~! SO, it seems the only account riot sees of mine is a different account that WAS perma banned apparently, so maybe the right one you'd think- but the dates are 2018!!! Lol, that's eh, 2 years away now.. so now i see where some confusion is but I'm tryin to work out my actual account right now.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T19:18:12.191+0000) > > Well CLEARLY i was not validly reported, otherwise i would've been banned long ago hm? So no i do not agree that i do. Besides, riot has stayed honor doesnt really affect the freakin ban system in anyway. Which is kinda dumb considering the ban system is going off of how honorable a player you are. Frequency x Severity... geez I explained this earlier... > [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T05:11:51.588+0000) > > You can still gain honor even when you're being validly reported, it just takes longer. Why Riot decided that's a good idea is beyond me, but I would guess it's because there are actually two separate systems that are being synced together in some way, which would make sense as people were getting penalized long before honor was introduced. Again, penalties are based on Frequency x Severity. Low Frequency, Low Severity might not get penalized, but any other combination definitely does. So, somewhere in there your story is not consistent. You may want to ask Riot for the stats on how often you're validly reported. > > As for toxic players making new accounts, I agree that it's not ideal. Riot really should put more significant barriers to entry, such as requiring a phone number for account creation. The ban system and the honor system were conceived separately, but there are points of integration between the two. IE: when the ban system issues a penalty, it also causes an update in the honor system which adjusts your honor. When the ban system identifies a valid report, it updates the honor system and slows your progress.
If.. i am.. being validly.. reported.. EXPLAIN TO ME.. how i was not banned until now. You can't because your logic is flawed. I had not gotten into trouble at all, if i HAD it would've been my one right after a 14 and i woulda been banned clearly, being here only now, that is not the case. If you're not going to actually say something that will help then there's no point to you arguing with me.
: What type of permanent ban, instant or over time? Instant would be over the top toxicity, the ranting, racism, homophobia....The stuff that you know it when you see it. The over time permaban should be things like feeding and griefing, intentionally ruining games. Low grade toxicity, like getting mad at teammates for poor play or not listening, shouldn't go to permaban status. They should remain at the multi-week suspension status.
Yup agreed! Permanents just ruin low lvl players and newbies with smurfs and flame for being so bad compared to em. If it's something super serious an isntant can happen but i do believe permas for chat flame is absurd and actually *worsens* the game. Griefing and stuff yes also agreed that it should overtime be permanent ^-^
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T19:18:12.191+0000) > > Well CLEARLY i was not validly reported, otherwise i would've been banned long ago hm? So no i do not agree that i do. Besides, riot has stayed honor doesnt really affect the freakin ban system in anyway. Which is kinda dumb considering the ban system is going off of how honorable a player you are. Frequency x Severity... geez I explained this earlier... > [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T05:11:51.588+0000) > > You can still gain honor even when you're being validly reported, it just takes longer. Why Riot decided that's a good idea is beyond me, but I would guess it's because there are actually two separate systems that are being synced together in some way, which would make sense as people were getting penalized long before honor was introduced. Again, penalties are based on Frequency x Severity. Low Frequency, Low Severity might not get penalized, but any other combination definitely does. So, somewhere in there your story is not consistent. You may want to ask Riot for the stats on how often you're validly reported. > > As for toxic players making new accounts, I agree that it's not ideal. Riot really should put more significant barriers to entry, such as requiring a phone number for account creation. The ban system and the honor system were conceived separately, but there are points of integration between the two. IE: when the ban system issues a penalty, it also causes an update in the honor system which adjusts your honor. When the ban system identifies a valid report, it updates the honor system and slows your progress.
People have also been explaining just one valid report and after 14 and you're out.. frequency x severity has nothing to with that friend. "So geez think before you type" instead of say you explained something earlier that does not answer something. And i don't care, about gaining honor. This isn't about honor. Keep ignoring the fact i say this like most people do when i argue. and regaining it being slow or whatever it's the fact its been a year of not being penalized and playing nicely to an instant ban with only 1 game referenced for it.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T19:06:01.133+0000) > > Thst doesn't necessarily mean it's equal for everyone. Yes it could take half the time, but- BUT- you're also taking into account specifically games, I'm saying overall time. 4 days a week max, avg 2 hrs each of those days, sick days, vacation, too busy to play, and stuff also in the way. So when i say a year i mean until now, slightly under a year, including the actual 14 day itself into january, and keep in mind he is playing *bots* not PVP where people constantly report for the fun of it ot because they disliked you but really only they were reportable. You are leaving out a ton of information to make yourself look like you have a valid argument when you really don't.. > > Besides, honor doesn't do Jack squat anyway, rito doesn't care if you're honor 5 best player ever they'll still perm ban ya after one slip up game. Invalid reports do not affect your honor progress, only valid ones do. You could get reported every single game, but if you're not doing anything wrong, nothing happens. If your stance now is that you were being validly reported in some games which slowed down your progress, that's something we can agree on.
Well CLEARLY i was not validly reported, otherwise i would've been banned long ago hm? So no i do not agree that i do. Besides, riot has stayed honor doesnt really affect the freakin ban system in anyway. Which is kinda dumb considering the ban system is going off of how honorable a player you are.
: someone did a rough bit of maths on a different forum thread (don't ask me to find it as it was from either earlier this year or sometime last year, I can't remember) they figured on average, it take somewhere around 300-500 games played without being reported validly to drop a punishment tier (please note a player can report you for anything, that does not mean that the report is valid) now those numbers I gave are not concrete, from what I do remember about that forum thread one of the mods here looked at it and stated that there is no defined number to how many games have to be played before you drop a punishment tier punishments do not go down if you don't play the game i.e. you could get to the 14 day suspension punishment, not play the game for 2 years, come back; and then get permabanned if you do/say something that would validate the punishment
3 to 5 hundred? (Yes not specific but anywhere around that makes MORE than enough sense) so, Well clearly that's either a lie, or i was unfairly banned, since i played a whole years worth of games, avg 2 hrs of games 4 days a week.
: Some rules are general guidelines: "Don't be a jerk." Some a pretty set: "Don't cheat." Should someone be perma'd first offense for saying someone is a tater tot? Nope. They should work through offenses first. Should someone who cheats be perma'd for first offense? Absolutely. The only exception being accidental bug abuse.
Yeah, exactly my point that things aren't always 100% clear, which is where that comes in and can be very unfair but nothing can be done. U.S. law system does this well with different courts interpreting it. Riot? They just look at it once and throw you out on the streets to go pick on the newbies. It sucks that the game works like this, But rito games doesn't care about the players. They care about money and fame. They don't reverse bans. *then proceed ro reverse even worse bans for popular or famous people.. yes repeatable offense punish and once not really but again the consistancy issue, what is consistent toxicity? How often is it really enough to justify ___ levels? Anyway yes i do overall agree
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T18:29:00.766+0000) > > Yes and I've tested it across multiple accounts and made sure there was no reports with bot games and such. After a punishment it is always super slow. On pbe i went to honor 5 near instant after release. After a punishment it took a long time to get to honor 2 again slightly faster but still long. One of the mods actually did the experiment with a 0 honor account. It took them 252 games over 172 days to reach Honor 2. That's roughly half the time it's taken you to get to the same point. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/yBXTyjAO-dishonorable-to-honor-2-edit-3-12219
Thst doesn't necessarily mean it's equal for everyone. Yes it could take half the time, but- BUT- you're also taking into account specifically games, I'm saying overall time. 4 days a week max, avg 2 hrs each of those days, sick days, vacation, too busy to play, and stuff also in the way. So when i say a year i mean until now, slightly under a year, including the actual 14 day itself into january, and keep in mind he is playing *bots* not PVP where people constantly report for the fun of it ot because they disliked you but really only they were reportable. You are leaving out a ton of information to make yourself look like you have a valid argument when you really don't.. Besides, honor doesn't do Jack squat anyway, rito doesn't care if you're honor 5 best player ever they'll still perm ban ya after one slip up game.
: It's a cool word. It's fun to use it in casual conversation.
Yeah it's a fine word, but should've been mentioned elsewhere due to the irrelevancy
Hotarµ (NA)
: In my opinion: I think the system is pretty fair all around. And I say this as someone who's been permanently banned once in the past. Consistent and/or severe negativity (such as racism, homophobia, etc.) should definitely result in a permanent ban, that's what makes it justified. The rules are fairly transparent and people get a minmum of 2 chances, maximum of 4 (assuming their punishment tier doesn't go down) and that's more than enough in my opinion. My largest complaint is that I think AFKing should be punished **much** more heavily. Maybe it's just me, maybe my opinion differs from the majority of players, but I just don't think a leaverbuster is severe enough to deter people from ruining games entirely. Don't get me wrong, intentional feeding and griefing are definitely worse (after all, you're actively staying in the game _just_ to keep others from winning) but AFKing is right up there with them. And I know Riot themselves have confirmed that consistently AFKing can lead to a permanent ban, but I personally haven't seen this happen and if it truly does, it's clearly very rare.
Definitely- i can deal with toxicity, no matter how strict riot gets it well exist. That's how the game and community is. However yes, AFK and INTING.. i harsmy ever see anything perma ban related to it- and i feel they give MORE permanents to flamers than inters and afkers.. which should be reversed, you can mute flames, you can't stop inters and afkers. I mean, riot even says just mute chat and everyone says mute everyone else, at this point some start saying just move chat off screen, what's the point in having chat if it just perm bans ya eventually when you could afk and get a leaverbuster for 5 games? Honestly agreeing, AFKing definitely needs more severe, i think the punishment system is fairly good beside the harshness it is, for example not dropping a punishment tier for a year of play, that is actually a thing right now. Not fun i can say. But overall concept is good, just needs a bit of work.. But AFK does definitely need something much more heavy, i agree ^-^
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: If you break the rules constantly and ignore all of the previous punishments, you deserve to get perma banned Permanently disabling the chat is just a bad af idea
Perma chat isn't actually, for me atleast i save any words for communication rather than salty sentences. It does help, permanents just make me more likely to be mad and end up causing me to smurf on low lvl players. But yes consistent rule breaking makes sense.. consistent needs defined though. How often is "consistent."
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T16:45:38.383+0000) > > Honor 2+ is not equal to a lock and starting at zero. 3 checkpoints after a lock to 1 then 3 to 2. > > 2=/= 0 with a lock. Right... the point was that I did 5 (almost 6) checkpoints in 2 months. You're saying you're gaining 1 checkpoint a month.
Yes and I've tested it across multiple accounts and made sure there was no reports with bot games and such. After a punishment it is always super slow. On pbe i went to honor 5 near instant after release. After a punishment it took a long time to get to honor 2 again slightly faster but still long.
: Breaking the rules set in place.
The problem being rules are interpreted differently and have to be examined for whether or not it justifies, not to mention by context, you have literally just said that if someone breaks a single rule they get permanently banned. I'm not sure you actually want that... but i get what you are *going for* just said it wrong with zero information or anything at all. So that didn't work out well lol
: What should validate a permanent ban?
I certainly feel permanents actually cause more harm than good. Most just create new accounts, scare away new players by either flaming, smurfing on them, or both. I don't know for sure what to do but possibly a permanent chat restriction or removal of chat entirely. "BuT tHeN tHeY wIlL jUsT iNt" but then you catch the REAL people who are ruining the game and can more appropriately punish them in some way.. just an idea but I'm not really the best at this area so y'know, i likely don't have the best opinion :3
Rioter Comments
Amorith (NA)
: You're telling me that only 6,000 players have been banned from League of Legends?
And the one person that does get banned every so often are the people who maybe have one bad game and are flamed at- rather than the actual people causing toxicity in the game. Huh wow great system..
Saezio (EUNE)
: First of all, honours only _SLIGHTLY_ boost your progress. The main way to climb is through simply playing and NOT GETTING VALIDLY REPORTED. That is what is slowing you down. Someone had made a post about how they got to unlock their honour after playing like 40 bot games. And then sure you get lower progress but not forever, unless you keep getting validly reported in which case it slows your honour progress down significantly. Also, if you got your last ban december or even early january, you had the entire season to climb. There are people that did it, get from honour 0 to 5 in 12 months.
I played bots once for a long time. Didn't even unlock, so it is not as easy as you actually say it is. At least not on my account.. and yes i had the entire season to climb and i did. Not many reports either, plenty of bot games as well, and this acc started pre lvl 30.it isn't reports, beside, if it was i would've already beeen banned since i had a punishment already.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T16:32:56.172+0000) > > E{{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} XCUSE ME? do you know how hard riot makes it to climb honor after a punishment? Basically impossible. It's locked for a month at the least basically then yoi get like one checkpoint per month after that. It isn't easy, secondly, not everyone honors you every game to clomb very high.. thirdly you don't play 24/7. And much more reasons. > > So yes it does take a long time buddy. Unless you can provide evidence it doesn't then I'm only going based off experience and what I've seen and learned. I only played for the last 2 months of the last season, and in that time moved up from Honor 2, 1st checkpoint to Honor 3, 3rd checkpoint. (I got Honor 4 about a week after pre-season started). If you're moving at 1 checkpoint a month, it's because you're being validly reported and that is slowing down your progress.
Honor 2+ is not equal to a lock and starting at zero. 3 checkpoints after a lock to 1 then 3 to 2. 2=/= 0 with a lock.
: I also oppose the punishment system. I think a year of good behavior IS worth something. Doesn't matter how many agree though. I wish it were geared to remove the sorts you say, but really, it's those who have bad mouths. The bots do not regard intention or context, and I've yet to see a case outside of bugs or stolen accounts that Riot has reversed the ban/suspension. When it comes down to it, the punishment will stand. Further, Gatekeeper's actions are showing that you are easily provoked (though that's the impression I had from the beginning). You repeated what you already said as if what he said was invalid. It wasn't. You're showing that you are seeking validation. Which I will give you again. You deserve some grace for a year of good behavior. Good for you, but Riot doesn't care.
Mhm, and i do realize the ONE game i did i went a little too toxic and deserve something but a permanent after a year of "reformation." Good behavior.. that's just dumb.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > as i said, i havent been punished for something for almost a year there, fixed it for you. If you were positive/neutral for 1 year you wouldn't still be honour 2.
E{{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} XCUSE ME? do you know how hard riot makes it to climb honor after a punishment? Basically impossible. It's locked for a month at the least basically then yoi get like one checkpoint per month after that. It isn't easy, secondly, not everyone honors you every game to clomb very high.. thirdly you don't play 24/7. And much more reasons. So yes it does take a long time buddy. Unless you can provide evidence it doesn't then I'm only going based off experience and what I've seen and learned.
: I also oppose the punishment system. I think a year of good behavior IS worth something. Doesn't matter how many agree though. I wish it were geared to remove the sorts you say, but really, it's those who have bad mouths. The bots do not regard intention or context, and I've yet to see a case outside of bugs or stolen accounts that Riot has reversed the ban/suspension. When it comes down to it, the punishment will stand. Further, Gatekeeper's actions are showing that you are easily provoked (though that's the impression I had from the beginning). You repeated what you already said as if what he said was invalid. It wasn't. You're showing that you are seeking validation. Which I will give you again. You deserve some grace for a year of good behavior. Good for you, but Riot doesn't care.
I didn't say it was. I said it doesn't help. Beside, i didn't actually get mad whatsoever. I just think people should either participate nicely or never have said anything at all. I will leave with this in return friend- If you are going to make a statement- back it with evidence.
Kei143 (NA)
: Ya, as I mentioned before, the reform card can show up to 5 games, but rarely does so. Riot has found that showing games past recent memory just ends up confusing other the punished player, so they opt not to show more than 5 recents games within the reform card. 99.9% accuracy is a Riot Tantram stat. You can go through his old posts and find his comment. Out of curiosity, can you label the categories of ZT words so we know you didn't miss any? If you did, we can narrow down what caused your punishment. Riot also response within 24-48 hrs. So 8 hrs is too soon in expecting a response. Remember not to bump your ticket, as that sends your ticket to the back of the queue, and you'll need to wait longer. Lastly, which account was the one that you got banned on? I'd like to check the game history to verify the playtime.
Account was uh.. i believe it was in fact this one.. as for ZT words.. it's like killing related, racism, super bad stuff like that. As for the 99.9 well.. it's an automated system, I'm not sure he is able to entirely get perfect results off that. Calculation. Even so, that just means it detects a punishment, not that the level is always right. Anyway, feel free to check. It's fairly active, so i don't worry about playtime at all. ^-^ Careful though, things like op.gg are really screwy with the riot account thing they did. It isn't showing anything and the old name only shows up to a point.
: Someone hacked my account and I got permabanned
I can actually see this being true yeah send a ticket.. the summoner spells are swapped, that's a big giveaway
: League of Legends is a broken game
What's the problem? The problem is if you touch chat your permanently banned from the game.. Exaggerated obviously but almost true at this point.....
: this is, 100%, guaranteed, without a doubt, **NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!** first of all is just a terrible idea 2nd RIOT has recently joined with hundreds of other developers to fight AGAINST toxicity, if anything they, and other giants of the industry, are moving in the exact **opposite** direction of what you are describing, https://fairplayalliance.org/
Except they just make new accounts and ruin the experience for new players. The way bans are right now is not helping.
: I also oppose the punishment system. I think a year of good behavior IS worth something. Doesn't matter how many agree though. I wish it were geared to remove the sorts you say, but really, it's those who have bad mouths. The bots do not regard intention or context, and I've yet to see a case outside of bugs or stolen accounts that Riot has reversed the ban/suspension. When it comes down to it, the punishment will stand. Further, Gatekeeper's actions are showing that you are easily provoked (though that's the impression I had from the beginning). You repeated what you already said as if what he said was invalid. It wasn't. You're showing that you are seeking validation. Which I will give you again. You deserve some grace for a year of good behavior. Good for you, but Riot doesn't care.
Yes, i agree the system sucks, and i do deserve SOMETHING for a year of behavior.. but i literally just got perm banned and have had a bad week while being sick so of course I'm not really in a good mood, I'm not super easily provoked- beside i stopped responding to him since i didn't want it to get toxic any more than it already had. So you can't just judge me based off that. If you were sick a week, behind in school a bit, upset and mad, kinda depressed, then got perm banned and someone started doing what he was doing i think you'd not take it too kindly either right..? Edit: also yeah, I've never seen riot actually reverse something, even if it was obviously needing to be. The only time i really have is for well known people. "Famous privilege" T1 unban is a great example but there's many more. They just don't care about the playerbase as much as they say they do. If they did, they'd make things more fair for people.
Kei143 (NA)
: The reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone. There's typically many games in the behavioral history that wasn't shown in the reform card. You can ask Riot support how many games you were validly reported. --- --- --- A few things that could have happen in regards to the behavioral system giving you a permaban; 1. You say you play a decent amount of games, but in Riot's eyes it's not that active and it wasn't enough games to drop a punishment tier. 2. You think there's no ZT words, but there actually is. So you dropped a (or two) punishment tier but skipped punishment tiers and got straight to permaban. 3. A known bug where the reform card has problems deciding which games to show you. Chosing between the most severe ZT game or the most severe ML game, it ends up showing your the most severe ML game instead. 4. You were at the edge of dropping a punishment tier but just got punished and permabanned. 5. There was a punishment error, but keep in mind the system is 99.9% accurate. But hey, you never know, this might be one of those 0.1% cases. Regardless, we can help you understand the system, but we can't do anything to your account. If I were to take a guess, I'd put my money on #2, where there were things you said that are part of the ZT phrases, but you didn't know about it.
Thank you for posting options here but none of them are really good.. i know what ZT words are thanks and none were used. I mean, i don't like the ZT words in the first place. Second, i don't see how an entire year of playing sportsmanlike would not drop a tier, thirdly, idc if riots eyes don't see this as active but average 2 hrs for 4 days a week minimum is DEFINITELY active.. fourth, the system isn't actually 99.9% accurate, not sure where you got that but i can tell you it isn't. Fifth, i should be the "0.1%" since this is absolutely ridiculous, I've been nice for a year, no punishments, lvl2 honor, i shouldn't get insta permed after 1 game. 6th, someone elses i saw did include multiple game chat logs, so it can. I have been trying to ask riot things but they're ignoring me. No response for 6 to 7 hours so far. Which is failing to do the 1 thing they are supposed to but hey what can you do. The system banned me when i shouldn't have been banned, riot knows its unfair but doesn't want to deal with admitting it so they ignore me.. probably not true but seriously- they really need to respond...
: As much as I don't like Gatekeeper, he *is* getting you to show your true colors, though it's already obvious in the op. I don't like the system but you're exactly the kind of person the system is geared to remove, no offense.
How is poking and prodding at someone to try and make them angry showing their true colors? Beside, i never swore, or insulted him so is it really even that bad..? And no I'm not really the person it is geared to remove. It's geared to remove trouble makers, inters and flamers. People like old T1.. i don't see how this is fine. And what is obvious in the original post? I wasn't toxic, asking for people to realize i am a saint that needs unbanned or anything. Just simply explaining the situation, and asking to be civilized and not toxic.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T04:33:45.340+0000) > > Well again you don't need to talk about ME because then you worry about whether i am lying or not.. now, no it is not consistent. I said no punishments nearly a year, last one was late December early January. What about that tells you consistent? I even got back to honor 2, what about that is consistent? They listed only 1 game on card, not 2 like usual chat restrictions would. Again, what about that is CONSISTANCY. To me, it's nothing. There's also no ZT words so it isn't that either. > > You don't have to agree but what I'm saying is how it is, just based on that you give your opinion, not based on if I'm lying or hypothetically i am consistent or anything, just based on what's listed what do you think? Because reading it off.. to me it's unfair and needs reverted. Beside, i made a whole nother account anyway. So if i really am toxic, I'd just end up chasing new players away by flaming in low levels. Which, I'm not because i reformed. Nobody is a saint who is never ever toxic ever. 1 game should not result in perma after nearly a year of good behavior. That's my opinion. You can still gain honor even when you're being validly reported, it just takes longer. Why Riot decided that's a good idea is beyond me, but I would guess it's because there are actually two separate systems that are being synced together in some way, which would make sense as people were getting penalized long before honor was introduced. Again, penalties are based on Frequency x Severity. Low Frequency, Low Severity might not get penalized, but any other combination definitely does. So, somewhere in there your story is not consistent. You may want to ask Riot for the stats on how often you're validly reported. As for toxic players making new accounts, I agree that it's not ideal. Riot really should put more significant barriers to entry, such as requiring a phone number for account creation.
I could ask for constancy but from past experience they go out of their way not to do anything for me ever. Rn they haven't responded for 5+ hours so that doesn't help. But yes frequency and severity exists, though for about a year i haven't actually gotten a punishment, so i don't know about being reported but i feel if i was toxic and was reported i woulda been banned since it would have been much closer to that previous punishment. Dunno, I'm *trying* to contact riot but getting no answer yet.. but yeah, their bans just ruin it for new players, they do need to do something about that.. even if it doesn't ruin them flame wise they're still having to deal with better players than them but a ton.
: Lets talk the ban system shall we?
Been like 5-6 hours, still no response from riot though ticket still says open...
: I can think of a few jokes that would get me strait banned right now if I told them. "It is just a joke" doesn't fly in Riot's house. I do agree with you though, jokes are 100% fine to say
Yeah- so long as it's a nice joke it's all good.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-12-05T03:41:33.541+0000) > > So > > 1. been pretty active > 2. Got back honor to 2 > 3. One toxic game caused this, no other games listed. > 4. No insta ban words used > 5. Last punishment was nearly an entire year ago- (late december to jan) > 6. This doesn't have to be just hypothetically anyone, could be you putting yourself in this scenario > 7. Zero punishments or chat restrictions in that time. Not even leaver buster. > 8. What do you think? Fair or not. Don't shove my name on it and say i could be lying your opinions on me don't matter, just the matter in general- if this was anybody or yourself, is this fair. A PERMANENT ban keep in mind. Thanks for stoppin by to comment and enjoy your day! > > (Edit: not sure why someone's wasting time to downvote something that has nothing to downvote for. If it was about me specifically maybe but.. idk people don't know how to use up and down votes here.) Penalties are given based on frequency and severity. So, you can be infrequently, lightly toxic and you'll be fine. However, if you're frequently toxic, or you're severely toxic occasionally, you'll be hit with the penalties. In your case, you were hit with penalties at least 3 times before you finally reached a permanent ban. If we take you at your word that your chat log showed "ordinary flame" rather than severe flame, then most likely you are frequently toxic. You can still gain honor even if you're validly reported, though it does slow down honor progression. Most players are never toxic frequently or severely enough to receive any punishment, and your frequent toxic behavior negatively affects the experiences of those players. So, tasked with answering, do I think it's fair or not, I find myself considering whether inflicting you on those players is fair or not. From my perspective, and from Riot's, the answer is no. It is not fair players who can generally get along with each other to have you ruining their games with your flaming. So, given that you haven't reformed after multiple warnings, and given you don't dispute that you were toxic, I think your penalty is justified.
Well again you don't need to talk about ME because then you worry about whether i am lying or not.. now, no it is not consistent. I said no punishments nearly a year, last one was late December early January. What about that tells you consistent? I even got back to honor 2, what about that is consistent? They listed only 1 game on card, not 2 like usual chat restrictions would. Again, what about that is CONSISTANCY. To me, it's nothing. There's also no ZT words so it isn't that either. You don't have to agree but what I'm saying is how it is, just based on that you give your opinion, not based on if I'm lying or hypothetically i am consistent or anything, just based on what's listed what do you think? Because reading it off.. to me it's unfair and needs reverted. Beside, i made a whole nother account anyway. So if i really am toxic, I'd just end up chasing new players away by flaming in low levels. Which, I'm not because i reformed. Nobody is a saint who is never ever toxic ever. 1 game should not result in perma after nearly a year of good behavior. That's my opinion.
: Some people think jokes are offensive. So i say don't worry about chat restrictions.
I'm just sayin having all chat to joke during it. Chat restrictions won't happen because jokes aren't toxic.
: Sounds like you have a bit of a double standard lol. If you can chat to only the enemy team you can really vent frustrations out by telling them where your JG is at all the time.
I mean if you do that you could just receive harsher punishments anyway since that is griefing. I just like to shoot fun remarks back to eachother and joke around
: Well, what would you call "some chat restrictions"? I personally think it is an all or nothing thing when free speech is involved. Because "some" can be slowly added on to.
Well.. free speech doesn't include harrasment but like 5 or 10 game chat restrictions increasing to 20 or more after multiple offenses are fine.. be nice to still have all chat with it tho.
: Ban system shouldn't exist. There should be a way to put cheaters into a time out where they can only play in bots, or event games. But other than that, no one should be punished for playing a video game. No chat restriction either, people should say anything they like, and people that don't like it can use the mute system.
I agree and also disagree. Banning has shown not to help since everyone just makes new accounts and ruins the experience for new people by flaming them. But i think some chat restrictions are fine as long as i can still all chat >.> laughing with my enemies over a joke is fun
: Lets talk the ban system shall we?
So 1. been pretty active 2. Got back honor to 2 3. One toxic game caused this, no other games listed. 4. No insta ban words used 5. Last punishment was nearly an entire year ago- (late december to jan) 6. This doesn't have to be just hypothetically anyone, could be you putting yourself in this scenario 7. Zero punishments or chat restrictions in that time. Not even leaver buster. 8. What do you think? Fair or not. Don't shove my name on it and say i could be lying your opinions on me don't matter, just the matter in general- if this was anybody or yourself, is this fair. A PERMANENT ban keep in mind. Thanks for stoppin by to comment and enjoy your day! (Edit: not sure why someone's wasting time to downvote something that has nothing to downvote for. If it was about me specifically maybe but.. idk people don't know how to use up and down votes here.)
: I played my first season this year. The last week I grinded for diamond and was stuck at plat1 for sometime. I finally made it but along the way was some of the worst players. I am not talking about skill. I am talking about the chat and afk rage quit. I said some shit like "dude just stfu and play" "stop being a dumbfk" etc to get things back on track. Yes this is not FRIENDLY by any means but I should of just muted them and hoped for the best. I see that now but I was fighting for a win by any means. I got reported and chat banned. I lost my first ranked season rewards due to words I typed. I won't have the skin or a diamond icon. Honestly I am very upset about it. The only thing I learned from this is that I should just mute my team at the start and hope to win through pings. Because of the end of a season or just certain players I won't attempt the chat in game to due to the fear of being reported. Which in my mind is hurting my chances at pre planning or talking about match up when walking back to lane.
What I've learned- is either delete your chat off screen, just yeet it out, or get banned at some point. Kinda dumb but that's just the way it is right now.. which sucks cause i like getting into funny conversations
: > just calling me garbage Please search through all the text in the post. Nobody called you garbage. > i can get a mod involved to kick you out if i have to Posters do not "get" mods to kick people off their threads. That's not how this works. But please, continue to threaten me. lol
Not responding to toxicity. Thanks, have a nice day. - this is an automated message
: > You're just making yourself look like a fool here okay? > i suggest you leave There you go with the insults and the dictations again.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to be here when all you are doing is wasting your own time. I literally do not care what you think of me, if you'd like to continue i can try to get a mod involved to kick you out if i have to. In fact i probably just won't respond to you since you aren't even giving anything opinions and just calling me garbage (figuritvely not literally) and trying to make me look bad so bye!! ^-^
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhoREh4p,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-12-05T02:23:08.122+0000) > > Is it possible I'm lying? Yeah. What's the point? Literally nothing. I'm just here to discuss, lying would do no good since you guys can't do anything and only rito games can. And yet people consistently do it. I'm sorry, but if everything written on these forums was taken at face value "garbage" wouldn't even begin to describe how horrible it would be. But most of the time people's claims just don't hold up, and rather than "discussing" the system, all they want to do is paint it in a bad light. For what reason? I have absolutely no idea. But it happens. And it makes it very hard to trust anything anybody says about their own punishment. That doesn't mean I'm going to immediately assume somebody is lying, though. I'm willing to grant people the benefit of the doubt when they have no way of producing proof of a statement. A good example for that kind of statement would be your claim that you were behaving properly in the year leading up to this ban. There's no point in accusing you of lying about this, because it would not be falsifiable from your end. So I'm not going to question that, and I will try to operate under the assumption that what you are saying is true. But what I *have* to question are things that people *could* prove; or at least support with much more tangible evidence. That is even more the case when there is the possibility for that person to merely misjudge the circumstances they are describing, rather than outright lie about them. A good example for that kind of statement would be your claim that the game you were banned for only contained "ordinary flame". **If** all of what you are saying is true, I urge you to write a support ticket. But I see little point in discussing the system based on a (from my point of view) hypothetical that falls into the second category.
Yeha i know I've seen many lie too, but i KNOW i don't have a reason to. I also have no real way to prove it of course. But hey, agian it doesn't matter what peoples opinioms are of me. Changes nothing. I did write a ticket though, zero response so far annoyingly enough...
: > it does NOT help you in any way. Oh, I didn't know this post was about me. I thought it was about **you** asking for help. Yes, it "should" be permanent, because you have displayed an inability to reform after multiple punishments.
Actually no. I didn't thank you for ignoring literally everything, being toxic to me as i said not to and not reading my post lol, clearly you can't take this seriously. If you can't take a thread seriously don't bother commenting. I did not have a punishment for a year and got honor 2 so yes i did reform from multiple punishments ;)
: Please look up the definition of the word "sanctimonious."
Why? Why do i care about a word about hypocracy and devotion? What relevancy is that to this discussion friend?
klin537 (NA)
: seems a bit unfair to me. But posting on the forums is useless. People here hate banned players and will downvote you into obvlivion for being one. I think you can write to support and ask for an appeal. Riot claims that they take reform seriously and they will be lenient to people who make legitimate attempts at reform. It seems to me that if you haven't had any incidents for a year and are sorry and see why what you said one game was bad, they might be lenient. But you really have to convince them that you are trying to reform.
Yeah i hope they unban me. I am not asking for anything here beside opinions on the overall concept of how the ban system is, I've went to support but so far zero response at all. Thanks for bein sorry for me though ;)
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > if someone has been really good for nearly a year- is it okay to just straight perm ban them for an ordinary flame game? Operating purely on that hypothetical? Depends on the amount of games played in that time. Obviously you shouldn't just have your punishment level reset because you didn't touch the game for a year, as an extreme example. Assuming normal frequency of games, no, that wouldn't be okay. Returning from that hypothetical into the real world, however, the question remains whether that happens in the first place. If you don't want to discuss your case specifically, that's fine. Not being sarcastic here, I know how these forums can be when people share their logs. If you don't want to subject yourself to that, then that is absolutely understandable. But without that your argument that the system is "garbage" (great job at starting a civil discussion, btw) really has no leg to stand on.
I'm fine with my case specifically- so long as it isn't begging for chat logs and after not giving it because it's irrelevant then calling me toxic and deserving then i would not want to right? But overall yeah if it wasn't touched for a year but i play regularly. Avg.. 2 hours 4 days a week at least? And i got back to honor two. Whether that is me or not.. clealry some reformation has taken place, otherwise they or me wouldn't have honor 2 playing regularly. Buuut permanent for one game i got a bit mad. The ban system does have statistics to know it's bad though. This example I'm having it a serious wtf moment. One game in a whole year after a 14 day of regular play results how? Not even a chat restriction between these. And hey, if people disagree that the BAN system (not punishment system as whole) is not broken when in my opinion it clearly is, that's fine! I can't change your mind myself. Normally i thought it was kinda reasonable but still kinda bad.. but OK.. now i just hate it. Not even because this was ME. I have other accounts anyway.. even if someone else made this to complain I'd get on their side and hate it. Is it possible I'm lying? Yeah. What's the point? Literally nothing. I'm just here to discuss, lying would do no good since you guys can't do anything and only rito games can.
: > what do you guys think? You should show us your cha... > do NOT ask for my chat okay? You want people to agree with you without seeing what you were actually punished for. You might want to think about reforming your behavior rather than seeking blind validation.
this isnt about chat though? pay more attention really. i said this is about the general ban system not my chat log. i can have a bad chat log but should it be a permanent with all the things laid out ive mentioned? i really dont think so. so again, NO ASKIGN FOR CHAT. it does NOT help you in any way.
Arammus (EUW)
: uh... we kinda got the mods to make sure toxic comments/insults/hatespeech get removed.
yeah but it always shows anyway in these. not even kidding every one of these i made has toxicity
: When was your last 14 day ban? If it was recent, then just one game of toxic behavior will get you perma'd, as it says on the card when you get a 14 day ban. And since you said the log that got you was bad and you deserved something, I'm inclined to believe the perma is fair without knowing what the log is or when your 14 day ban was.
as i said, i havent done something for almost a year.. the last one was like end of december into january for the 14 duration. by now i had a 2 lvl honor
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