FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: Convince me Kayle is stronger than Vayne.
Yenn (NA)
: Can we talk about how absurd Olaf is right now
I mean Olaf's teamfight power fantasy is inherently untenable, and I don't understand how it's lasted this long. His kits goal is "I hit R and Ghost and run at your adc and kill them, and there's nothing you, they, or anyone else can do about it" Either he has enough damage, tankiness, and move-speed that he can, or he doesn't. It's the exact same shit as old poppy.
Nhifu (NA)
: I hate how AP shyv is the only viable build on her.
I mean the problem is that they tried to make her less able to just "Farm up and beat you up with a bag of gold" but that's literally all she does. She doesn't have any cc, range (except for her ult Q, which...wadaya know, is what her appointment build is centered around?), innate sustain, non-ultimate gap closers, or meaningful tank-steroids - her passive and the HP from her ult are next to meaningless. She literally cannot get to the enemy team to even _try_ to fight them unless she's ahead on gold/in levels, and even if she's super ahead all it takes is one knockback and maybe a slow after she ults to negate even a 10k gold Shyv. She's balanced around establishing a gold and XP lead, but then also that wasn't fair so now she can't establish a gold and XP lead. It's stupid.
CLG ear (NA)
: what would you do if you ordered a pizza and your delivery driver was Kai'Sa
Compliment her on her cosplay, ask if I could take a picture, tip her 20-25% on the cost of the pizza, and go back to watching Houdini and Doyle with my wife while munching on pizza. If I got the picture, maybe post it on the boards as a "Hey look at this kick-ass cosplay"
: Dark harvest is being ruined because of 1 champion?
The problem is that it's designed and balanced around assassins/divers that need to actually engage and commit to get the benefit, but there's no actual mechanical restriction against poke mages just stacking it up from 1200 units away and sniping people as the game goes on.
Krigjer (NA)
: I almost always get Darkin Kayn and Aatrox confused on the mini map.
: Gonna be honest - vayne doesn’t really bug me that much.
It's like the difference between Master Yi and J4. Vayne's much weaker in coordinated play since her team just gets engaged on and the enemy team bursts her down - she can't really do anything against a coordinated engage without a summoner spell advantage. But against a disorganized team, she'll just auto the tank to death in front of their teammates, tumbling forward to finish them as their allies watch. She'll dual the fed assassin or diver in a side lane and win. And that feels fucking awful.
Dr Dog (NA)
: actually unpopular opinion: i hate both URF and ARURF
We need to have a completely separate rotating-game-mode MMR so all the tryhards can compete with each other, all the complete trolls (it's urf, AP riven's legit!) can have fun fucking around without losing the game for their team, and everyone in between can do their thing.
: Morgana's W nerfs
I think they're targeting her kid because that's where she's overperforming, not because she's playable there. She's been playable mid for a long time, and the new move-speed on her ult is obviously good when you have 30 flat pen and do 650 damage with each part of your ult.
: You're right, and I should have actually responded to one of the other Riven-related threads a few days ago. Good call.
Thank you, I really appreciate the response. And, look, obviously I understand the temptation to Wade in and defend yourself when you're wrongly accused. It's just an unfortunate reality of the platform and the culture that that adds visibility to the accusation, and we already have so much of that.
: you've heard the phrase, "a shit made out of gold" or "don't polish a turd" good formatting doesn't mean that something is good
It's not even about good formatting, it's about being an actual human being.
: > [{quoted}](name=BobaFlautist,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ap3IN0OE,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-13T21:14:40.983+0000) > > I mean I thought it was obvious that the "Ten million threads" was a blatant exaggeration, given that the boards probably don't have even one million threads total, but I'll concede the point if it'll make you feel better. And I KNOW they're the minority in a sea of terrible threads, that's a huge part of what I'm addressing. > > And whether or not a Riot sees a given thread is irrelevant to my point; I'm complaining that the threads that Riotors _do_ comment on, and therefore encourage, are the exact threads they claim they avoid rewarding. And that that behavior encourages the sea of terrible threads that you and I agree drowns out most constructive discussion. > > Obviously constructive discussion isn't hard to find if you're actually looking for it, it took me 2 minutes to find four examples - but for whatever reason, instead of putting out the effort to keep their actions in line with their ideals, Rioters largely respond to the same crud you and I wish wasn't mostly what you see on the boards at a glance. > > It's frustrating, disappointing, and counterproductive. Well when the terrible threads get like triple amount of upvotes and comments than any "constructive thread" it's very easy to see why they would comment on such threads. So many well made threads I have seen get like 2-3 responses from ANYONE in the community while the garbage ones get pages and pages of them. When the community itself doesn't care about well made threads but rather use the same low effort nonsense how do you expect riot to care? Specially when they want to reach large amounts of people instead of 4 for instance.
If they commented on the well made threads, they _would_ get more attention.
: Calling out Rioter's on bad behavior isn't the "worst behavior in the boards". It's one of the good things we can do on the boards.
I don't think he was lying or even trying to be misleading, I think he was trying to provide an honest and informative response in a limited medium. You can disagree with what he was saying, but in that thread he clarified his thoughts. Why would he even lie about this lol I don't even see the incentive.
: Hence why I said its a issue on both sides, and it would take cooperation from both to make it work.
I mean, I mostly agree, but I don't think we're gonna get the people throwing temper tantrums on board with a mutual solution. Rioters, on the other hand, are paid professionals with a vested interest in improving the environment. Like imagine if your boss told you you could choose which customers to help and there was a system in place to ban and enforce the bans of inappropriately behaved customers but then you still decided to consistently only help the ones screaming at you. Why?
: Here's the thing though: It doesn't help when situations like Wukong not being addressed are forced in their faces every living and breathing moment on top of those comments chastising the shit out of the team for not doing anything for him immediately paint a negative light on the community. Meddler didn't address Wukong in that one post out of kindless, he did it because him and the team were fed up with being harassed on that subject when other things had priority over it. Thats why every mention of Wukong by anybody after that post was purposely ignored, factual or not. This isn't a one sided issue. Its a issue on both sides.
But when they reward bad behavior, they get _more_ bad behavior. If people are hassling Meddler and his team to the point that they feel forced to engage even though people are treating them poorly, those people need to be banned. It's ridiculous that the one way to get consistent red engagement is to be a huge shitty pain in the ass, and that being polite and respectful will get you nothing but crickets.
Jikker (NA)
: Interesting URF stats according to OP.GG
I mean that's pretty expected given that people reroll when they get a champion they don't want.
: That's something I hate about league. If it's not a hot topic, Rioters won't make any comment about it. Look at tanks. They've been fucked into non-existence out of the top lane, yet not a single Rioter has made a comment, tweet or post about it. If Akali or Urgot have to be nerfed, they're immediately fawned over and buffed up again, with constant tweets from the balance team.
> [{quoted}](name=Skullthorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ap3IN0OE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-13T21:09:09.959+0000) > > That's something I hate about league. If it's not a hot topic, Rioters won't make any comment about it. Unless someone yells at them and says they should be fired for giving filthy welfare-queen bruisers item and kit handouts while ignoring our good, honest, hard-working tank mains and also their moms must hate them and look at how much true damage Fiora did against my 20k hp 400 armor Sion 6 hours into the game, in which case, they will respond. It's so fucking annoying.
: > [{quoted}](name=BobaFlautist,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ap3IN0OE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-13T20:34:32.295+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/j50kqzgp-what-do-you-guys-think-about-buffing-aatroxs-sweet-spot-q-damage > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/c6bEzQMK-leblanc-nerfs-on-pbe-are-missing-the-mark > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/4muhY2Rk-meddler-you-want-to-nerf-morgana-heres-how > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/VEBwVG1w-jayce-nerfs-are-missing-the-point > > These are all relatively calm, measures suggestions or discussions, with a concrete topics and plenty of room for Dev input. They're also all but guaranteed to never see a single Riot comment. Ok... So a few threads somehow equals "millions of quality threads"? Quality threads exist but like I said, they are a minority in the sea of terrible threads that currently exist. Which sadly overpowers and drowns any decent ones out there and makes them as a result be rarely seen by many people. It also doesn't help that it's really difficult to differentiate the good threads from the bad ones making it really easy to skip the good ones. Also just because a rioter doesn't respond doesn't mean they didn't look at the thread.
I mean I thought it was obvious that the "Ten million threads" was a blatant exaggeration, given that the boards probably don't have even one million threads total, but I'll concede the point if it'll make you feel better. And I KNOW they're the minority in a sea of terrible threads, that's a huge part of what I'm addressing. And whether or not a Riot sees a given thread is irrelevant to my point; I'm complaining that the threads that Riotors _do_ comment on, and therefore encourage, are the exact threads they claim they avoid rewarding. And that that behavior encourages the sea of terrible threads that you and I agree drowns out most constructive discussion. Obviously constructive discussion isn't hard to find if you're actually looking for it, it took me 2 minutes to find four examples - but for whatever reason, instead of putting out the effort to keep their actions in line with their ideals, Rioters largely respond to the same crud you and I wish wasn't mostly what you see on the boards at a glance. It's frustrating, disappointing, and counterproductive.
Meddler (NA)
: We'd like to keep Morgana effective as both a mid and support pick. That's been the case for her historically for a long time, can't see any need or likelihood we change it.
I think the reason Morg Mid Mains are concerned is that many of us recognize that a significant part of what makes Morg Morg and of what makes her successful mid relies on strengths Riot has tried to avoid and prune within the game. Morg mid feels pretty damn reliant on flexibility, safety, and consistency, more specifically she will often play to reject or stalemate a lane matchup rather than actively trying to trade poke or pursue kills, and Riot has felt pretty aggressive when it comes to eliminating picks that can consistently stalemate a lane.
: But that's not even Riot staff.
Which is honestly part of the problem. If Riot actually cared about the quality of their boards they'd actually assign like a Community Director with a few people under them with the job of engaging with the community on the boards and Reddit or whatever. As it is, it seems like the boards are a minor, non-essential project of Keyru, whose title is "NA Player Support, Social Support" It's not surprising the mods have had such a hard time trying to influence and improve the Boards culture, given the absolutely nothing they've been given.
: and to make things worse Riot Staff wont even reply to a topic or even make themselves known except to edit it and say "i have removed such and such cause it violates this rule".
That's the mods, who are volunteers and can easily be found in "Discuss the boards" and in the boards discord. They're responsive, consistent, and honestly make an unreasonably good effort given the resources (none) they're given. I honestly think it's criminal that they're given so little support from Riot, given all they do.
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ap3IN0OE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-13T20:13:44.992+0000) > > They had Gameplay+ where only high quality topics were posted Yeah no that's wrong It didn't have a rank requirement It was pages and pages of drivel with a _few_ decent threads
I'm not even talking about the quality of the thoughts, just the quality of the presentation. XXXSuckmaster69XXX might be completely right about Fiora being broken-op and needing a hotfix, but his Balanceteam Truther arguments, calls to fire the entire Marketing Department, and claims that all Fiora players are limp-wristed cucks that should be shot for the good of the country render his post unredeemable garbage. And then a Riot Dev replies and says "Yeah, Fiora can be frustrating champion to play against. I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience playing against her. I'm not working directly on Fiora right now, but I've asked the team to look into some simple fixes to make her feel more fair in lane."
: I really want to see these so called 10 million constructive threads you are talking about. Boards is literally 95% dumpster fire threads with 5% that could be considered actual constructive ones. Too bad that the good threads are lost in the sea of terribleness and there is really no way to tell one good thread from a terrible one apart. Not riot's problem that the boards is nothing but a cesspool of hate and really bad bias
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/j50kqzgp-what-do-you-guys-think-about-buffing-aatroxs-sweet-spot-q-damage https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/c6bEzQMK-leblanc-nerfs-on-pbe-are-missing-the-mark https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/4muhY2Rk-meddler-you-want-to-nerf-morgana-heres-how https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/VEBwVG1w-jayce-nerfs-are-missing-the-point These are all relatively calm, measures suggestions or discussions, with a concrete topics and plenty of room for Dev input. They're also all but guaranteed to never see a single Riot comment.
  Rioter Comments
: Please wait for Morgana mid's pick rate to rise before nerfing her W's AP ratio.
I mean Morg gets much more damage from flat pen than early ap anyway so this nerf is basically meaningless. Still feels shitty to have her w nerfed but I can't see this size of a nerf mattering.
: can we make kennen ulti's a burst damage already?
Juice (EUNE)
: Because those don't become invisible before lv6, all 3 of them can be poked down and all inned with a flash and ignite, not Neeko, she can dodge any poke
How do you poke those champions with Renekton that doesn't work with Neeko? I would imagine dash->Q, but any of those can pretty easily avoid that and Vayne/Jaycee will probably kill you if you double-dash and fail to stick to them
Juice (EUNE)
: How do I deal with Neeko top as Renekton?
I mean that's pretty irritating but how is it different from any other ranged champ top with good kiting? {{champion:67}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:127}}
: Chain CC (i think) needs a nerf
I've always liked the idea of something along the lines of "For each 1s you've been cc'ed, subsequent CC's are 10% shorter, additively. Slows instead slow for 5% less. This decays by 1% every .1 second uncc'd (consecutive or not) + another 1% every .1 consecutive second.
Seenan (NA)
: Yo, can we like, make Iceborn Gauntlet melee only? Only way it's ever healthy.
Just give it a maximum proc range, something like 200-300. That way mid-low range fighters like {{champion:6}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:41}} can legitimately use it when they're actually getting into the mix, but it removes abusive perma-kite cases. This is honestly how I feel all "melee only" candidates should work, except like Hydra.
Moody P (NA)
: Possible Wits End/Zephyr rework
(Fighter) Shyvana would like to know your location.
: Am I the only one slightly disappointed that they didn't try to really rework Morgana?
Naw, I'd hate that. They'd make her e only work for one cc, cut her Q and W range by 1/3, reduce q bind duration but buff the missile speed and make it do aoe damage when it lands, front load some damage on w but reduce the total damage and make it do reduced damage to minions so she has to use Q with it to push, and make her ult a two part ability that you channel and gains damage for the recast but cut the stun duration in half. They'd flatten everything in her kit to make her more "fair" and "feel better" and she'd be less clunky and easier and more fun to play for everyone that doesn't already play her but she'd lose all her flexibility and unique strengths in exchange for generic power.
: I don't understand why mobile/evasive champs get to enjoy strong damage values
I like how adcs and the only classes that can (semi-)reliably kill them when they're ahead and getting even slightly peeled are both the villains.
: I think racist rant threads should be deleted, not just locked because they "escalated"
So based on the subsequent comments, op was upset by a thread talking about how many characters are white? Because if that's the case, that's not racism, that's not how that works.
vvasya (NA)
: You know what'd be nice? Changing Guardian-Angel and Banshee-Veil back into pure defense items
I wonder how many people remember _why_ they changed GA. Back in the day, in season 2, thornmail and GA were considered bad items for tanks to pick up, since they discouraged enemies from dumping damage into you, and as a tank you wanted to bait the enemy team into dumping as much damage as possible into you. If you died mid-teamfight, your team probably won that fight, since the enemy team had wasted a bunch of damage on your tanky ass. But then damage grew higher, and tank stats weaker. Again, and again, and again. And tanks started picking up GA, 'cause otherwise they'd be focused and deleted at the start of teamfights, because why not? They're slow, low damage threats. Sitting ducks. Damage was so high that it didn't matter if you used your shit to burst down the tank, you had plenty left. And so tanks needed to discourage enemies from just blowing them up, otherwise their slow, unwieldy kits wouldn't have time to do anything. And people started complaining. Because killing a tank with a GA was a huge pain in the ass. These stupid goddamn tanks were super hard to kill, and that was a problem. And Riot listened and decreed that no longer would GA be a good pickup on tanks. Not because tanks were being given independent tankiness, but because GA would now build out of a FUCKING BF SWORD.
: if someone goes past 0/15 it should flag their account
Or make it even more rigorous: If somebody has a dramatically worse K/D/A than the team average.
: Smurfing in Ranked is a form of cheating change my mind
Smurfing is like getting tired of losing in NCAA and going to join your local middle school's basketball team while wearing a hoodie labeled "I'm totally twelve". There are (a few) legitimate reason to want to make a new account, but mostly it's just to dodge bans/long queues/for YouTube or streaming content. I'm partial to the theory that Riot allows it as a bandaid fix to how insanely long high elo queue times are.
: Who has .2 seconds reaction time.
Not that I think Rengar deletes are reasonable, but the death timer starts when you start taking damage; the window to react to Rengar is largely _before_ you start taking damage.
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iTGIAAEu,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-24T22:49:52.504+0000) > > > Why the hell does Conqueror also give life steal and true damage at the same time? Instead of negating 20% of your armor, it negates 10% and puts the other 10% it would have ignored *into your own hp pool. This is the exact same thing in an drawn out 1v1. First things first. That's sentence shows a generic lack of understanding about how armor works. It does not ignore 10% of the armor. 10% of the attack ignores 100% of the armor. Second this similar in a long 1v1, however a tank isn't supposed to win a long 1v1 vs a split pusher with conq. The change will slow down the rate of killing the tank, which gives the tank a chance to run away. It isn't meant to allow the tank to fight back. If tanks could be tanky and edge tilt fight back into someone with conq, they would have a 100% play rate in the top lane.
Not gonna do the math right now, but off the top of my head 10% of the damage ignoring 100% of the armor (or mr) should have an identical result to 100% of the damage ignoring 10% of resistances. The only difference would be that true damage also ignores things like % reduction and crit reduction.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: Elise has 6 skills to begin with, just when she turns level 3. Her early game burst is high, since almost every other champion just has 3 skills available while she has double as much. From these 6 skills, 3 are dealing damage (4 if we can't the AS increase in spider form W as increasing her damage output), additionally she has spiderlings. Because of the nature of her kit, she doesn't need her stun to deal any damage. It would simply be overkill. But not every champion has that luxury. Not to mention that you want to actually tell me that stuff like Nautilus first auto attack on a target should not deal damage? Kled Q should not deal damage, even if the CC of it is almost not noticable? Xayah E, which is actually the biggest damage source in her kit, should not deal damage at all? God damn **Aatrox Q**, which is the **entirety** of his damage, should just knock up the enemy and not damage them the slightest?
Morg Q shouldn't do damage, 100% of her non-ult damage should be in her w so she can delete waves starting at level one while poking you for 1/3 of your hp in a second.
: He would need a drastic buff to his Q cooldown early or a buff to his E so he could last hit under tower with it. I mean I still think it is a horrible idea, but I'm just letting you know that a little buff would not nearly be enough.
Yeah I was thinking Q CD is probably the right place - or e could have a little missing hp damage against minions for last-hitting.
Rioter Comments
: So Urgot got his only defensive tool gutted, meanwhile...
Yeah. It turns out "Ranged Juggernaut" wasn't the easiest champion concept to balance.
: Everything the op is heavily over exaggerated. Brands e does almost no damage by itself, let alone half your hp... Even a full brand combo won't kill a squishy, unless he is well ahead and has some items. And he'd still need ignite. With adc help he can get a kill, but don't forget the enemy botlane also has a support to help. Don't forget there are plenty of bot lane supports who, if you get caught once by them, will cause you to get straight murdered. Aka, blitz, thresh, pyke. There are bot lane mage supports with nearly equal damage in lane, but even better range and cc (lux and vel). Also, the claim that brand doesn't use much Mana is a straight up lie. It's very easy to go oom in lane if you spam abilities, especially if you miss...
To be fair, level 1 brand e WILL do half your hp, assuming you have less than 150 max hp level 1.
: Lmfao!!!!! In that case why ever play Darius when syoas can be the better Darius! Are you insane? Wow that would feel so crappy as a Darius player, especially since syoais wouldn't even have to earn that passive and has much better target accessibility. I think no changes should be made. If sylais steals Darius got it should stay weak
I mean you could say the same about Malphite, or Garen, or Karthus. The reason is that Darius is a MUCH stronger laner and bully than Sylas. You don't pick Darius for his ult, you pick him to steamroll your lane opponent.
: Can Darius and Illaoi ult be more useful for Sylas?
Sylas should probably get a two part ult for both of them - for Darius the first part gives him Darius's passive for 5-10s and second is ult and for Illaoi his dash thing is treated as her w (lowered cd and activates tentacles)
: My brief thoughts on the RiotAugust "Controversy"
Yeah I read that tweet and was like "... ...well, he's not _wrong_"
: Riot - we told you this with Prestige Blood Moon Aatrox - WE HATE PRESTIGE POINTS!
Honestly, I think it would be reasonable and appropriate for them to release some sort of $100+ super-skins, for whales to spend money on, as long as it didn't impact normal skin production. But the ethical way to do that is to PUT A FUCKING $100 PRICE TAG ON THE SKIN. It's bad enough that they try to insulate you from the money you're spending with RP, but combining limited time content, slow, grindy point system that vanish if you don't dump time and money into them, Lootbox Only content, and dramatically higher than usual price tags is perhaps the scummiest way they could have handled it.
: I absolutely accept that those who build damage and %pen should be able to kill tanky targets
I don't understand why in cases like BC where an item is clearly inappropriate on long-ranged champions but there are edge cases of low-ranged non-melee champions like Gnar and Urgot that would be butchered by making them melee-enabling they don't just put a maximum range on the effects in question - no particular reason Darius absolutely needs to be still shredding my armor and speeding himself up when I've flash+dashed 1k units away.
: Do you guys like my Kayle rework?
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